Inkbunny

This is not meant as a smart ass question but I'm curious - What makes you think the people who run this place owe you free speech? You and a lot of people here seem to think you are owed the right to say anything you want and them restricting you is an injustice. Why do you think that is? Why do you think they owe that too you?

quintisian27

1 month, 1 week ago

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@ bigbrownbear

it's this thing called having rights. it's actually quite a GOOD thing to be able to speak freely and have opinions about whatever you want without being censored and banned for it.

and no, the concept of free speech actually isn't exclusive to governments.

it's not that i am owed the ability to speak freely. it's that, as a US citizen, i have a constitutional RIGHT to speak freely.

NO ONE has a RIGHT to censor and ban me for speaking. and yet, FAR too many people (probably you too) believe they do have a right to censor and ban people...treating the ability to speak at all as if it's a crime that must be punished.

if that precious ToS people worship as if it's the word of god so much said so, you wouldn't even be able to post that comment without being banned and censored.

it's all up to the owners of the website believing they're above the law and that they have a right to restrict, control, and punish speech they personally disapprove of.

it's anti-free speech, plain and simple.

edit: hell, on some websites like ars technica, a SINGLE FUCKING WORD regardless of context is grounds for a permaban.

t y

i'm using this as an obvious example. this could be any word at all but no. it is grounds for permaban because MUH MOTHERFUCKING GENDER IDEOLOGY!

it's been damn near one full decade now. and everyone STILL has to dance on fucking eggshells out of outright FEAR of being punished for the CRIME of DARING to speak WORDS!

because apparently free speech is the most heinous crime to ever exist! and people like you dare question why i believe i have a RIGHT to speak freely! after YEARS of bans and censorship all because i say fucking WORDS! because i DARE say something someone PERSONALLY disapproves of and believes is a THOUGHT CRIME!

i hope, one day, that this anti-free speech censorship is made entirely ILLEGAL as it damn well SHOULD be!

MviluUatusun

3 weeks, 2 days ago

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I can relate. I was blocked by an artist that I really liked because he did an arc in one of his comics in which someone had created a list of "The 10 Most Unfuckable Girls in School". A school administrator banned the list and banned anyone from reading it. When I said that interferes with Free Speech, someone wanted to start an argument with me about it. I remained calm, but later, I found I had been blocked by the artist and a number of his followers. I was never given the opportunity to explain my feelings, but if he wants to lose followers just because of a belief in Free Speech, I guess I'll accept his decision.

TwitchChameleon

1 month ago

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@ bigbrownbear

Everyone should have free speech. Arguing otherwise is objectively evil. SIGH

MaxDeGroot

1 month, 2 weeks ago

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I got you on Telegram and Discord. I'm good.

MichaelJBear

1 month, 2 weeks ago

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*hug* ... please dont leave

Bull

1 month, 2 weeks ago

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ive heard the staff are super inactive and not even responding to donations inquiries (ignoring people trying to give them free money), And, i only follow like 150 artists and have seen 9 or 10 of them quit the site forever because of AI being allowed here.
lol
i think its dark days ahead for inkbunny....

alistair

1 month, 2 weeks ago

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Pretty largely done with the whole furry thing, myself, except for keeping up with a few artists on this site. Furry is utterly dominated by narcissistic, abusive, manipulative and very stupid degenerates; the sane ones are a near-extinct minority at this point, driven away by the likes of said degenerates and their clueless, lying moderator enablers here.

quintisian27

1 month, 1 week ago

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sad but true

Qunt

1 month ago

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Ok you are obviously not pretty largely done with the "furry thing" the most things that furrys do is follow furry accounts on furry websites and like furry porn and who you calling degenerate do you like any self-awareness at all?

alistair

1 month ago

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@ Qunt

except
Preposition.
1. with the exclusion of; excluding; save; but:
"They were all there except me."

HTH.

Qunt

1 month ago

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Ok so you're still not largely done becuase you are still doing some massive furry things as I layed out. Giving me the definition of "except" really doesn't help your statement.

LongTom

1 month, 2 weeks ago

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I don't have telegram of Discord, but I don't want to lose you.

fur1essshe1ter

1 month, 2 weeks ago

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🎶Baby come back, yeah, you can blame it all on me
'Cause I was wrong, and I just can't live without you🎶
-PLAYER

KevinSnowpaw

1 month, 1 week ago

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You will be missed here roarey. I sometimes felt your opinions could be perhaps more abrasive then was nessasary to make the point, but the point itself was allways of great value to ne and meny others.

It is my hope the fandom will even out but will just have to wait and see... either way ill continue to enjoy your work were you post it. Thank you for trying to be a stone in the path of some truly poisonous ideology.

fopsie

1 month, 1 week ago

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I'm sorry to hear that it's gotten so bad for you. As others said, it makes sense: there's no need to make yourself miserable, fighting to prove your worthiness to a broader community. Please take care of yourself first, and be well! ❤️

inkbunnyisbroken

1 month, 1 week ago

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randomfox

1 month, 1 week ago

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You're not alone, other accounts who aren't goose stepping in lockstep with the ideological mandates are getting punished too. Some peoples very livelihoods are being threatened, under the guise of their content being unacceptable even though it's the kind of thing that gets posted and encouraged on a daily basis on this site. They're obviously just exploiting the excuse of TOS violations to punish people who aren't sufficiently proclaiming themselves as being part of the outraged mob decrying the downfall of society and threatening self harm, because they're totally not cultists at all.

If they want to turn the website that's known across the entire internet as the kiddie porn place into an echo chamber of alt left extremism then they're welcome to it.

bigbrownbear

1 month, 1 week ago

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@ randomfox

What kind of things are people being punished for?

Toshubi

1 month, 1 week ago

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I wish you all the best.
I quit posting here long ago for the exact same reasons so I feel ya.
Just a quick look at your comment section here should at least let you know that you have more than a few folks here that are willing to listen to a different opinion.
Again, I wish you all the best and know that you will be missed. I will miss you especially.
One more voice culled in the name of 'tolerance'.

1 month, 1 week ago

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I'd say, please stay, read the tos and do your thing minding the rules. Some people seem to be in rather offended state currently but if they actually drive out people with different opinions it's a huge loss and will slowly destroy this website. There is already enough useless echo chambers in internet.

quintisian27

1 month, 1 week ago

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@ rp

minding the rules...ha!

maybe if the ToS of all kinds of websites and platforms all over the internet hadn't been weaponized with muh hate speech (means whatever the person handing out a ban wants it to mean) and gender ideology.

telling someone to mind the rules nowadays is the exact same as telling them to follow the very rules that get them banned in the first place.

1 month, 1 week ago

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Well, user can choose to ignore rules they do not agree with and get in trouble. Why waste time and effort for that.

quintisian27

1 month, 1 week ago

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@ rp

yeah, and you can also follow the rules and get punished regardless!

fuck the rules and guidelines! they are entirely irrelevant if not enforced evenly across a website/platform. steam is a shining epitome of this fact. their fake support staff flat out refuse to help you if you get a ban even if you didn't violate any of steam's rules and guidelines because each dev/pub's individual rules and guidelines completely overrule steam's own platform rules and guidelines.

this is all complete and utter BS and EVERYONE knows it is! hardly anywhere on the internet enforces rules and guidelines evenly (if they do it correctly at all) website/platform wide.

abuse of power, rampant corruption, and political/ideological motivation is the NORM, not the exception on the internet.

if you don't toe the line, march in lockstep and adhere to "the message" you get banned and censored everywhere for the crime of speech.

stickyfox

1 month ago

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I want to point out a couple things from IB's policy guidelines. You can find them all at the bottom of the page.

1: Inappropriate content includes, but is not limited to, material that breaks any relevant laws, defames or vilifies any person or group of people, is harassing, threatening, harmful, invasive of privacy or publicity rights, abusive or inflammatory.

2: Harassment and bullying is not tolerated here. We enable members to deal with trouble-makers directly. Members can delete comments on their own account and submissions, or ban offenders from their account, all without any intervention from moderators.

3: We reserve the right to refuse membership to anyone, at our sole discretion.

4: Most of all; have fun and don't take anything too seriously! We're all here to enjoy art. It's that simple. If it stops being fun then it's time to turn off the computer and do something else worthwhile.

We want this kind of behavior gone from IB. It isn't welcome here.

Nothing happened to Roarey. He's on Discord now and you can do everything there you used to do here, except harass and marginalize LGBT and progressive users over their political opinions (because he doesn't allow them there). And he can throw you out for being too progressive if he wants to, and that's fine because it's his channel.

One last thing... nobody's demanding you get in "lock step." Just stop stepping on other people.

quintisian27

1 month ago

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"Harassment and bullying is not tolerated here."

that depends on your political leaning. everyone knows it is allowed and tolerated if leftists are the ones doing it. that's the case all across the internet.

"We want this kind of behavior gone from IB. It isn't welcome here."

suuure...

"Nothing happened to Roarey."

yeah, he got banned here for opposing leftist ideology basically.

"He's on Discord now and you can do everything there you used to do here, except harass and marginalize LGBT and progressive users over their political opinions (because he doesn't allow them there)."

yeah, that applies to us lgb people as well. tq+ people can say and do anything they want including harassment and bullying all across the internet freely while anyone who dares oppose them or push back against it faces censorship and bans.

it is a completely 1-sided enforcement of rules and guidelines EVERYWHERE on the internet! pretty much no exception anywhere. bend the knee and submit, take the harassment and bullying without pushing back, or face punishment.

"One last thing... nobody's demanding you get in "lock step." Just stop stepping on other people."

that is EXACTLY what you're doing.

you don't have a right to dictate to me what i can or cannot say or do! you do not get to control me, you wannabe DICTATOR!

it's been a fucking decade of people trying as hard as they possibly can, while WEAPONIZING things like ToS's community rules and guidelines, and codes of conduct to silence and punish people like me and roarey for daring to push back against this ideology and leftist politics.

STAY IN LINE OR BE BANNED AND CENSORED is exactly what you are saying to and telling me to do.

this fucking ideologically and politically motivated banning and censorship needs to end.

doesn't matter if you're straight, lgb, a theist, or anything else. we literally have NO CHOICE except to go along with this tq+ ideology and leftist politics or else we face bans and censorship.

it is a COMPLETELY 1-sided enforcement of rules and guidelines because those who are a part of and who support and defend that ideology and politics are completely free to harass and bully and say ANYTHING they want to about us anywhere, any time, and face ZERO consequences for their actions while WE face punishment for refusing to take part in any of it.

you don't give a fuck about free speech or rules and guidelines being enforced fairly and website/platform wide. you just want me to stfu, get back in line, and stop dissenting.

i will never do that for you people! i will never stop resisting this ideology and leftist politics!

stickyfox

1 month ago

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1: Do you disagree with me that IB's policy is not to tolerate harassment?
or do you disagree that the definition of "harassment" is by the mods' determination?

As the operator of a private website, the mods could call anything harassment. They make the rules.

And if you don't think a significant number of users want him gone, then why is he gone? Why is he gone from FA? Why is he gone from Twitter? Why is he gone from Patreon?

Why did he just make this impassioned journal saying.. what was it... hang on..

"	Whatever passes for mainstream in this fandom has not been a place where I am welcome or where I belong for several years, so what's in it for me?

2: Roarey was suspended and his suspension was lifted. He then left in a huff. That isn't "banned." You're making him out to be some kind of martyr because he happened to be away during Christmas and Thanksgiving and then popped in to say "smell you later."

3: Of course it's one-sided! IB pays the bills and does the work to run the site!

4: I do care about free speech. I'm not telling you to stop speaking. I'm just pointing out that you're saying silly things.

Free speech means that you can't be arrested by the police and charged for being a member on a furry website, or subscribing to a communist newsletter. It doesn't mean you get to say everything you want on someone else's website.

And I do agree with you that speech should be free. But that's a two-way street. Free gun ownership can't exist if people express "freedom" by firing in random directions. Free love can't exist if people express "freedom" with rape. And free speech can't exist if people believe hurting others is exercising their freedom.

quintisian27

1 month ago

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"1: Do you disagree with me that IB's policy is not to tolerate harassment?
or do you disagree that the definition of "harassment" is by the mods' determination?"

harassment and bullying is allowed if you're are a leftist or part of the tq+ ideology. it doesn't matter if i agree or disagree with IB's policy to not tolerate it because the simple fact is, it IS allowed IF you are of the correct political/ideological leaning.

the same goes largely everywhere across all websites/platforms and this has been the case for years.

"As the operator of a private website, the mods could call anything harassment. They make the rules."

it's a private company, it can do whatever it wants to do!
it's a private website, they can do whatever they want to do!

same stupid excuse/defense year after year after year. just another way of saying the rules and guidelines are irrelevant, you will be punished for any reason at any time at moderator and staff discretion and you have no say in the matter.

"And if you don't think a significant number of users want him gone, then why is he gone? Why is he gone from FA? Why is he gone from Twitter? Why is he gone from Patreon?"

politics and ideology on every single one of those websites.

i can say that from personal experience with FA, e621, steam, and a number of non-furry websites. because i also stand in direct opposition to these same exact politics and ideology.

actually, iirc roarey is extremely lucky he hasn't been arrested for the things he's said online given the extraordinarily bad situation the UK has been in for several years now in regards to censorship and thought policing.

a friend of mine also has to worry about that too. be careful you don't say too many no no words on the internet or the irl police might come marching up to your front door to haul you off for THOUGHT CRIMES!

"Why did he just make this impassioned journal saying.. what was it... hang on.."

politics and ideology...how many times must this be stated?

"Roarey was suspended and his suspension was lifted."

ok, my mistake there.

"3: Of course it's one-sided! IB pays the bills and does the work to run the site!"

NO! it is because... POLITICS AND IDEOLOGY! if you are a leftist and/or part of the tq+ ideology, you are allowed to say and do anything you want while those who push back face punishment.

that has been the case for years and continues to be the case.

tbph, i always thought i'd be the one to give up on this shit first, not roarey but here we are. maybe he can finally get some peace in his life and get away from this shit.

unfortunately for me, this shit continues to plague the things i like but, thankfully, is FINALLY on its way out thanks largely to trump. a kind of president that is nigh impossible to happen in modern politics actually happened and is finally changing things for the better.

i doubt it but maybe he can salvage some of the internet and save it from this leftist politics/tq+ ideology shit. maybe some shred of genuine free speech can return to the internet.

stickyfox

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so if I'm reading you (and more words is more clarity), your thesis is that an unfair situation exists because all social media is punishing harassment and abuse by some users, and not others; and that the selection criteria are politics and ideology, right?

If that's the jist of it, then can you point out two cases in which the same act (harassment) occurred, and consequences were not meted out because one user was on the left and one on the right?

Or, can you just give an empirical example of the harassment/abusive speech that one might hear from the left?

For example, I hear this frequently: "There are only two genders." This is considered abusive speech by a huge share of the population because it marginalizes individuals, in addition to being factually incorrect. Anti-trans sentiment contributes to mental health problems, increased rates of suicide, workplace harassment, lost productivity, a greater burden on healthcare resources, lower wages, stagnation in development, all kinds of social detriments.

What is a similar statement from the left (not necessarily related to reproduction or gender) that causes a similar negative impact on society?

alistair

1 month ago

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"	stickyfox wrote:
	For example, I hear this frequently: "There are only two genders." This is considered abusive speech by a huge share of the population because it marginalizes individuals, in addition to being factually incorrect.

Here you reveal that you yourself are an ideologically possessed leftioid, and demonstrate exactly the phenomenon being explained to you.  Unfortunately, I don't believe you are mentally capable of understanding this, or are so narcissistic you don't care and just get your kicks by hurting people by saying this crap.  Furry is filled with abusers just like you.

You use a lot of languge to make yourself seem reasonable, but every word you use is the bog-standard manipulative, frame-controlling, gaslighting bullshit people are getting increasingly sick of dealing with, to wit:

"Oh, you must do what we say, believe as we believe, and never, ever disagree, OR ELSE PEOPLE WILL GET HURT!  Do what we want or we will hurt you to protect the people we use as shields!  Oh heavens!"

Uh-huh.  People are tired of your hostage puppies.  You are a scumbag in nice-guy's clothing.  You are a vessel of evil pretending at goodness to oppress the people you hate.  You do not care about the people you claim to care about, you only want to use the as a social cudgel against your percieved enemies.  You are vile.

It's not worth having conversations with virulent cases like you, so I will not further engage, but feel free to flail around and make your feeble, predictable passive-aggressive attempts at defending yourself.

stickyfox

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so....

are you citing me as an example?

What's the harm, and who's the victim? Is it you? What did you feel when you read my comment, and why did it affect you like that? What's your context/life experience?

quintisian and I are having a grown-up conversation and you're welcome to join if you can get on the level. But I'm not addressing your insults or calling me an abuser. Harassment is the whole theme here. Don't contribute to it.

stickyfox

1 month ago

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This is what happens. They cry victim, you ask to see the boo-boo so you can kiss it, and *poof* they're gone.

quintisian27

1 month ago

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