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...Inkbunny has been like this from the very beginning, because of laws about depicting humans in sexual situations in the country the server is hosted in. It has absolutely nothing to do with puritanism, or wanting to clamp down. Furaffinity would delete the image and ban you if a mod decided a character looked too cub-like; Inkbunny just hides the image and lets you know what you need to bring it into compliance. Are we that spoiled here that we don't remember how much worse it is elsewhere? The only change here is that someone reported an image. (Wasn't me; I had no idea about the mosaic censoring not being enough thing, and in any case that too is a legal requirement, not something the site owners want to do!)

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@ Alfador

Yeah sure, InkBunny is better than FurAffinity -- for now.

Just like Fchan used to be a fantastic furry site -- until internal mod drama and outside influences started making Fchan into more of a place to "argue about what drawings are and are not problematic" rather than a place to simply enjoy furry artwork.

And great websites like Wild Critters (which primarily hosted Kemono art and translated Doujins) pretty much disappeared (or I think it had some "internal power struggle" too, and it got split off into Veebooru)....

e621 is still mostly decent..... but who knows if that will always be the case. The vibe and the attitude and the atmosphere there could always change... the Fandom is becoming more and more obsessed with the ideas of "Purity In Fiction" and "thought crime" and "OMFG, THAT'S PROBLEMATIC, YOU CAN'T DRAW THAT OR WRITE THAT... you have upset the U.S. BUREAU OF MORALITY, please stand by for EXTRACTION & RE-EDUCATION."

https://www.nin.wiki/US_Bureau_of_Morality

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAgdihHcnlE

sillylilfoxcub

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"Consuming or spreading this material may be considered subversive by the United States Bureau of Morality. If you or someone you know has engaged in subversive acts or thoughts, call [### ### ###]. BE A PATRIOT - BE AN INFORMER!"

https://www.nin.wiki/18664456580

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_tzig8_tOQ

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@ Alfador

This is false. As someone who was a member of the IB community within months of its founding, the website did not even have servers in the country you mention until several years later and did not have any rules against human characters until some time after the primary servers were moved there. When those rules were placed into effect, it was done suddenly and with no community outreach prior to the notice, causing a majority of users to suspect and fear that the site was being sold to Neer behind the scenes, and even when that was clarified to not be the case there was still mass outrage over the fact that the new rules prohibited humans who were clearly adults and species both fictional and otherwise (ex: elves, hairless cats, certain monkey species) long established as having clearly definable traits that differentiate them from humans in addition to prohibiting human children characters and characters of unclear distinction. Please get your historical facts straight before you make sweeping claims about what something has been like "from the very beginning".

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Dragoneer is a colossal hypocrite anyway -- 'Neer had artwork of his own "Cub" character (Preyfar, a purple hyena cub) in the SoftPaw Magazines... and if you go read the ARCHIVED forum posts discussing the subject, 'Neer argued IN FAVOR of preserving artistic freedom... but at some point, the pressure (from both Payment Processors and RABBLE ROUSERS and DRAMA STARTERS) must have gotten to be too much and he just caved in and gave up.

https://web.archive.org/web/20150821170440/https://foru...

'Neer even quoted "US code Title 18, Chapter 2256" which states in Section 11:

"""the term “indistinguishable” used with respect to a depiction, means virtually indistinguishable, in that the depiction is such that an ordinary person viewing the depiction would conclude that the depiction is of an ACTUAL minor engaged in sexually explicit conduct. This definition DOES NOT apply to depictions that are drawings, cartoons, sculptures, or paintings."""

I am quoting and linking to Dragoneer's own words because CLEARLY HE SOLD OUT HIS BELIEFS.....

Yes, I know InkBunny is hosted in some other country that isn't the USA (which is also SLOWLY becoming its own Puritanical Theocratic Nanny State)... but I am quoting and linking to that stuff 'Neer wrote to point out that PEOPLE WHO USED TO BE HARDCORE PRO ARTISTIC FREEDOM can always SLIP.... if ENOUGH PRESSURE is applied.

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Umm. This is a bit late, but in fact Inkbunny didn't allow humans in art at all for most of its first year. I know because I wrote a news story when that changed. Frankly, it would have been a lot simpler to keep it that way.

Xenos1992

1 year ago

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It's sucks to see you go, but your art will always be a fun & cute, I hope you have find a different way as possible but it takes time

moyomongoose

1 year ago

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Yiffy International use to allow depictions of human and anthro-animals having sex.

However, Yiffy did not allow depictions of sex between human and non-anthro.
And they did not allow depictions of sex between anthro-animals and non-anthro animals.

Yiffy had gone out years ago though.

KrystalTentacion

1 year ago

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Sad decision but very understandable, I don’t understand the moderators thought on your censored works because the mosaic censor was more than enough. If they wanted a pitch black bar censor they should’ve said it in the rule instead. And just read this is because you got reported while you’re still respected the rules, this is fucked.
Baraag and e621 are the place to go for absolute free expression, I’m also in a Discord with the VioletEchoes community so you’re more than welcome if you wish.

TepTepgi

1 year ago

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wish you the best

Moss

1 year ago

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Not that I'm like boasting or anything but I'm able to sub to you on Substar and I'm glad to do it. I completely understand your position about IB. I know not everyone can sub to an artist but what I'm saying is I'll just catch your stuff on Substar.

KrystalTentacion

1 year ago

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Well after a discussion, the rule stated that even censored works that involves human characters are still not permitted and the hidding is the warning. The best would have to crop the pages like making them simple thumbnails and giving the links like you used to do. Still bad this situation happened, we got too heated here.

esanhusky

1 year ago

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This is ridiculous, you probably adhere to the standards better than anybody that wants to post human stuff. Now I'm going to be triple pissed off any time I see an "Anubian" or other pretty much literal human here

R0XIZ

1 year ago

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This is terrible news! I don't wanna see you go from IB! Those idiots don't realize how good you are, I'm super upset about this.

Killjoy

1 year ago

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Just shop animals ears onto Jin before posting the unedited pic as for some reason that typically makes it ok for other artists (animal ears and a tail means no longer human some how).

Clovertea

1 year ago

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@ Killjoy

According to the rules, they also ban kemonomimi actually...

I checked, because some writing I wanted to post has kemonomimi in it. Turns out I can't post that here. ^^; If you see other people getting away with it, it's just because nobody reported it yet.

Viro

1 year ago

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At this point, you're better of just showing a cropped square of a character's head then link elsewhere just to keep pages organized and consistent. Still a lame rule given what the purpose of it is for as it treats artwork as real-life which has never made sense. I understand they do this due how certain laws in some regions take it given the site's location, but it's still idiotic.

Chuun

1 year ago

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Maybe you could use Baraag as an alternative? They have almost complete creative freedom for artwork there.

LupineLurker

1 year ago

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T' say that this is heartbreakin' would be an understatement.

I'll still regularly check yer page here, jus' in case, if only to be reminded to hop over to e621 for updates.

I seriously hope this gets resolved, an' soon. You've become a staple o' this community; don't matter you include humans in your works. You make this place better jus' by bein' here.

Stay strong. An' if you ever need someone t' talk to, or vent to, you know how t' reach me over on Discord.

Love ya, Pip.

xcar

1 year ago

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The problem with e621 is that one must have an account to see the R-18 pics, and many of us don't want to create another account to another site, specially if is one we rarely go, but if in e621, you open the image in a new window, and you put the link that new window, one can see it without loging to e621, so if you are going to post the pics there, please, could you also put that alternate link?

BizyMouse

1 year ago

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This site died with AI anyway. And don't bother with glaze it doesn't work.

RadioAM

1 year ago

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@ BizyMouse

And who determined that? You? So because you are intolerant of AI productions the site must be considered already worthless and "dead"? Gosh, the entitlement...

BizyMouse

1 year ago

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Yes, because I am smart and you are stupid. 💅

RadioAM

1 year ago

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Wow, insulting and insta-blocking when confronted with logic~ Sure the level of "smartness" is reaching new heights according to this special snowflake rofl

NashVonTookus

1 year ago

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"AI good actually" is not """logic"""

BizyMouse

1 year ago

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@ NashVonTookus

Allowing AI onto an art gallery is actually abusive. I feel emotionally abused.

Lloxie

1 year ago

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Very sorry to hear this. I actually only just now discovered you on IB, but I've been following your comic on e621 for a short bit now. Love your work, and I do hope you'll continue, even if you stop using this site. I know a couple other artists that have already ditched this place for various reasons. It feels like this place is on the decline, and if something doesn't change at some point, all that'll be left are the AI-spamming charlatans. But I digress. Sorry to see you go, but I totally understand. And I'm glad I'll at least still be able to see your stuff on e621. Wish I could suggest more alternatives, because it's never good to have all your eggs in one basket, but sadly there aren't many sites like this out there. I do wish you luck, in any case.

R3DRUNNER

1 year ago

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good for you, post where you want to. i don’t think anyone can blame you for leaving after where the site has gone in the last two years. whoever said they didn’t see this coming isn’t paying any attention.

BizyMouse

1 year ago

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@ R3DRUNNER

I saw this coming 6 months ago and felt that no other artist here has had my back about it, everybody just sticks their head in the sand. I cleared 7 years worth of art off of here after greenreaper told me to take a hike. Has anyone else?

https://inkbunny.net/j/493355-BizyMouse-ai-compromise-s...
https://inkbunny.net/j/494242-BizyMouse-goodbye-for-now

XPAuthor

1 year ago

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Man this sucks. Seeing your stuff was always a highlight whenever it popped up. But I understand your choice. I've had to... do some bassackwards shit to get around the no humans rule in the very few stories I have about it. It's dumb. I know why it's done, and I get it. But getting it doesn't make it any less dumb.

Kitsunesgod

1 year ago

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Nooooo!! What the fuck is with 'our' sites suddenly cracking down on the very things we come to these sites for?? I'm gonna miss you and wait for you on E6

noryn

1 year ago

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bye~ ❤

NexusBlack

1 year ago

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Honestly good for you and every other artists leaving, this place has become so bad, they really don't deserve any of you.

TobyBaggins

1 year ago

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Though I will miss seeing your art here, I understand. I already follow you on other sites. Will see you on the flip side.

wollypegger

1 year ago

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This stinks of an act of revenge.

brokenscale

1 year ago

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Since I currently can't use e621, I guess this is goodbye.

Lemotter

1 year ago

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Ai rules are also stupid thet reuire like the dna of the picture to be acceted

Nightdancer

1 year ago

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@ Lemotter

My main problem is, that NONE of the posters are providing the whole prompts.
They are always leaving the artists out (in order to avoid the drama), but IB isn't stopping them either).

Telain

1 year ago

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@ Nightdancer

And how are you sure of that? The problem is proving it.
Even stepping through simple prompts to prove reproducibility is time consuming and takes some amount of resources. And then, unless they're running on CPU generation, it's not going to be perfect.

Lemotter

1 year ago

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@ Telain

The ai i used is sort of random generated, same promr grenerates thousand of different images. But actually i not understand why that is a problem, as i not sell the image or like that.

Telain

1 year ago

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@ Lemotter

All AI engines use a seed in addition to prompts. But GPUs are also imprecise with their randomness, to put it simply, so certain parts of generations would need to be done with a CPU for perfect replication.

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I really don't understand why people even trying to post human art here and pushing the limits of this side.
The limitations are (also, but not only in order to get "away" with cub content) well known.
Even more surprising to me are the butt hurt reactions later.

I can understand the reasoning regarding the AI art. I would like to see a separate gallery (with less rules).
But bringing out this argument here is more whataboutism.

PaydayWolf

1 year ago

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@ Nightdancer

I think a lot of the butthurt comes from not seeing pipo upload here anymore - a very well known and beloved artist (I would also be pretty butthurt if you stopped uploading all your beautiful comms here too, ND.)

Staff are absolutely right to have the no humans rule however, but I think a lot of the problems people have is that it's considered inconsistent. What doesn't help is the understaffing, which hopefully should be fixed soon as IB is currently doing a recruitment drive.

At the end of the day, I prefer having the no-humans rule because it means the site can still safely (for the most part) operate - and importantly to me, we can keep cub content here. However I understand the problems people raise about consistency, and the AI art debate is a whole different can of worms.

sillylilfoxcub

1 year ago

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@ PaydayWolf

It's like -- if one person chews gum in class and they get punished for it by the teacher, but ANOTHER different person chews gum in class and they DON'T get punished by the teacher, then how is that fair???? It's "selective enforcement."

Telain

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It's not "selective enforcement" when the one that was caught is sitting in the front of the class and someone points it out to the teacher, while the other is sitting in the back and no one is looking at them. If you see pictures that violate the rules, report them. There's a "Support Tickets" link at the bottom of every page. Mods can't act on what they don't know about, which is part of why Pipo got away with it for so long.

Nightdancer

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Look, I am free to drive through the red light, because someone else did it as well?
Or I am not supposed to be charged, as long as the others aren't also charged.

sillylilfoxcub

1 year ago

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@ Nightdancer

Do you know how many people ALMOST HIT ME at a crosswalk because "Right On Red" is still a thing here in the USA, despite the fact it is VERY DANGEROUS for pedestrians? People here can't just WAIT for the white light (Walk Signal) to be over so they can drive their 2 ton death machine into the cross walk where I am TRYING TO CROSS.... yes "because someone else does it, I get to do it too" is a big mentality here.....

https://apnews.com/article/red-light-turn-pedestrian-bi...

ScottySkunk

1 year ago

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damn. you will be missed

ninyall

1 year ago

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Think Ib is going to have a few issues from this Infaction as another artist I like has said they are quitting ib for some time due to this issue,

FallenArtsIB

1 year ago

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ngl this is a nothingburger

just don't upload human art lol why are people making a bigger deal out of this

Kellyn

1 year ago

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It is definitely not a nothing burger. The issue isn’t about human content but how understaffed, and incapable the moderation team is of applying the rules evenly to everyone, and in a timely manor.

That said it’s definitely a nothing burger if people are saying IB is changing for the worse.

FallenArtsIB

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@ Kellyn

just sounds like someone was upset the rules finally came to them then

Kellyn

1 year ago

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It’s unreasonable it’s unreasonable that censored human is allowed. Don’t blame the artist for posting something that’s allowed. Tons of people post censored human content to link off site. Blame IB for allowing the rules to be so ambiguous and so slowly enforced that this happens.

NashVonTookus

1 year ago

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no, they're upset because the rules weren't enforced upon them at all, for 3 years, despite the mods actively following their work.
It's a selective enforcement issue.

sillylilfoxcub

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""""""just sounds like someone was upset the rules finally came to them then""""""

Funny you mention, hahahaha....

https://www.flayrah.com/8924/fur-affinity-expands-rules...

And all the little Zangooses and the little Eevees cried and said "STOP, WAIT! MY CHARACTER ISN'T CUB! WHAT ARE YOU DOING? GET THEM, NOT ME!!!!!"

LOL Part 1

https://ibb.co/k52fS2G

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LOL Part 2

https://ibb.co/6yTYC1X

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Hahahaha..... wonderful.

RadioAM

1 year ago

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"	...why are people making a bigger deal out of this

Because kiddy porn artist. I can guarantee you that if it involved a regular porn artist, nobody would give half a fuck~

sillylilfoxcub

1 year ago

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Did you just call a cartoon drawing of a fictional character who doesn't exist "kiddy p0rn?" LULZ......

The term “indistinguishable” used with respect to a depiction, means virtually indistinguishable, in that the depiction is such that an ordinary person viewing the depiction would conclude that the depiction is of an ACTUAL minor engaged in sexually explicit conduct. This definition DOES NOT apply to depictions that are drawings, cartoons, sculptures, or paintings.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2256

Section 11.....

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It's also the SAME thing that Dragoneer quoted when people were pushing him to BAN CUB from FurAffinity....

https://web.archive.org/web/20150821170440/https://foru...

2006 Dragoneer was better, current year 'Neer sucks....

I want the ~COOL~ 'Neer back... the guy who fought for Artistic Freedom and also had art of his "Preyfar" purple hyena cub character in the SoftPaw Magazines, lol lol lol.....

RadioAM

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Chatin

1 year ago

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......what?

#1 why are you even on this site when the majority of the content is that.
#2 fiction isn't reality. Stopped dumbing down terms meant for csam.

I really don't know if you're a troll or just that dense.

RadioAM

1 year ago

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@ Chatin

Is there even the slightest evidence in my comment stating that I dislike such drawings, or did I pulled out the fiction vs. reality conflict? No. I just pointed to a fact as big as a house. Keep walking.

sillylilfoxcub

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Sorry, but any time someone calls cartoon drawings "kiddy p0rn" I immediately just assume that person is some kind of Twitter Nutjob with a severe case of "Oneirataxia" (inability to distinguish fictional fantasy from actual reality)....

CSEM and cartoon drawings are two entirely different things....

Just like Furry Artwork and "Bestiality P0rn" are two entirely different things....

To even imply the two are equal is a "False Equivalence" argument.....

Sorry if I or anyone else in this comment section reacted badly to your "joke"

But perhaps we've dealt with one too many "Antis" on the Bird Site???? lol....

RadioAM

1 year ago

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It's fine. I just tend to use a more general term instead of choosing from cub, loli, kit, etc. but it seemed to lead to a misunderstanding.

sillylilfoxcub

1 year ago

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It's like calling a Sega a Nintendo -- they're both "video game systems" but they are not exactly the same thing.

Or calling a Pepsi a "Coke" -- they're both "soft drinks" but they are not exactly the same thing (and we all know that Royal Crown Cola is the SUPERIOR of the three -- JK).

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Cub Art is not the same thing as CSEM.

Loli / Shota Art is not the same thing as CSEM.

Chatin

1 year ago

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Well that implication was worse than your first statement. Good lord.

sillylilfoxcub

1 year ago

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Right? It's like calling playing Grand Theft Auto "performing the act of murder" -- lol....

No it isn't... NPCs in a video game are not the same thing as Real People.

2D Cartoon Drawings are not the same thing as Real People... it's silly to even use such phrasing.

Even as a "joke."

orangebox

1 year ago

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cub pr0n is serious business

sillylilfoxcub

1 year ago

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@ orangebox

You could always go back to FurAffinity.....

https://www.flayrah.com/8924/fur-affinity-expands-rules...

"welp guys, we banned cub, but that's just NOT enough -- we need to ban the SHORT POKEMON too! Short Pokemon is like, BASICALLY the same thing as CSEM!"

https://www.flayrah.com/8931/tagging-and-filtering-alte...

Qwazzy

1 year ago

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Feels like there's no such thing as a problem-free website anymore for this community. Every single one of them has positives and negatives, or in some cases, only negatives.

sillylilfoxcub

1 year ago

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@ Qwazzy

I miss WildCritters, that place was awesome...

And Veeboru was also kind of okay.... lol.

Yuhbuh

1 year ago

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Hop on Baraag! Human on Anthro welcomed! :>

Caust

1 year ago

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So was the censorship not deemed "sufficient" enough? Stuff Arianul posts hits front page all the time, and it's pretty much exclusively human with no fur. I assumed so long as junk was censored or cropped it was fine to link it off site?

Telain

1 year ago

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@ Caust

Censorship is insufficient. "Censored art involving humans must plausibly depict a non-sexual situation." If you see any in violation elsewhere, report them for review.

sillylilfoxcub

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@ Telain

"“Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it.""

~ Mark Twain

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""If there is something you consider indefensible, and there is something you consider defensible, and the same laws can take them both out, you are going to find yourself defending the indefensible.""

~Neil Gaiman

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""Laws do not differentiate between what you like and what you don't like.... prosecutors are humans who bear grudges and fight for re-election.... one person's obscenity is another person's art.""

~Neil Gaiman

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Yes, I am aware that InkBunny isn't hosted in our grand United States of America where the freaky France Laws that banned Bunny Bits haven't reached (yet).... but I still quote these quotes because it's funny.... nobody thought that FurAffinity would ban cub, and then EXTEND that ban to include the Short Pokemon too, lol.....

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""If you don't stand up for the stuff you don't like, when they come for the stuff you do like, you've already lost.""

~Neil Gaiman

Lnarra214

1 year ago

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Wow, that really sucks.

ImpChadChan

1 year ago

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It's called moral panic 🙄 and it's going to get worse before it gets better. But don't worry, the mechanic of moral panic itself is not self-sustaining. So, it will eventually get better. Anyway, by my part I will follow you wherever you decide to go :3

sillylilfoxcub

1 year ago

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@ ImpChadChan

Yup, yup, yup!

And "moral panics" -- especially over FICTIONAL ARTWORK that doesn't even involve REAL PEOPLE -- is friggin' stupid.... nobody should CARE what you draw Tails the Fictional Fox doing.... nobody... it's a cartoon character from a video game...

SpyroBeddingCynder

1 year ago

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Dam. Am sorry.

JackDesert

1 year ago

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*evil grin* Umm sweety actually... going to miss seeing you here but I'll come visit you on e621. Loved the art here. Still sucks that it evidently was on the wrong side of the fuzzy line.
*gets ready with the pooper scooper in seven days*

Simplerock91

1 year ago

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And another artist leaves.
I find it funny other users said stuff like this would happen and people called them nuts.
Can't believe how Murphy's Law is now an everyday occurrence.

Tigerfestivals

1 year ago

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You can go on Baraag or Pixiv, they both allow basically everything.
The caveats being:

Baraag is small and more human loli focused.

Pixiv you'd have to bother with pixel censoring and linking to an off-site uncensored image or something, which may or may not be against policy idk. I've seen other artists do that and nobody seems to care. There's also tons of AI images there now, but you can filter most of them out with a setting.

Zazel

1 year ago

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@ Tigerfestivals

Baraag is anything but small, it has almost 45k active monthly users!

https://baraag.net/nodeinfo/2.0

Tigerfestivals

1 year ago

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@ Zazel

In comparison to inkbunny, FA, Deviantart and especially Twitter, it is my impression that the userbase is small.
Not to say that nobody is using it, but its a bit niche. I like the site myself.

Chira

1 year ago

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@ Tigerfestivals

if anything is FA now small since they basicly killed themselfs with their ToS.
pixiv is fighting aswell with the link to uncensored versions and its technicly not longer allowed either.
with other words, pixiv handles it in the same way like inkbunny does it now aka.
saying that it is on a different site uncensored? thats fine.
linking it directly in the description to the full version? not fine.

its about the links in the description

Tigerfestivals

1 year ago

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@ Chira

Idk i've seen people on pixiv directly linking to catbox or baraag. maybe those submissions are just old and in english so since the moderation is a Japanese team things are slow but idk. If it IS Pixiv policy to not directly link uncensored versions they don't seem to care or enforce it.
In fact, they're so slow with enforcment that they didn't even ask me to censor some of my uncensored or incorectly censored drawings I hosted on the site directly until like 3 years after I uploaded them and they already had over a thousand bookmaks and such. I was unfamilar with the rules at the time so it was my bad, but you'd think moderation would have noticed it earlier.

Chira

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@ Tigerfestivals

have to say here too o3o i thought IB made this change too but they didnt.
i thought they did. but after looking through the IB staff journals and getting my cheek poked really hard by @Kadm seems it that i was in the wrong. could be that i mixxed IB with pixiv up aswell. iunno, am sorry @w@.

manicMagician

1 year ago

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Aw, damn! That's really stupid. I don't even get why that's a rule.
Unfortunate, I don't really use e621, and mostly just follow the links from the comics here...

thecooler

1 year ago

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atleast give us the link here? with just a thumbnail even if the whole image is blurred here? pretty please?

Chira

1 year ago

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the problem here with you is that you probably missed inkbunnys ToS update a while ago where they stated that they may not longer accept censored human pictures which get linked in the description to its full version.

as far as i know is it still ok if you write into the description for example "the full picture is on my baraag". but the full picture is here [insert link here] is not longer ok.

so, i simply recomment that you should click the notifications when they pop up ontop, expecially when it is about ToS changes ^^.

Chira

1 year ago

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@ Chira

btw i have to correct this.
IB hasnt done said ToS change. o.o
i thought they did but they havent. i even looked into the IB journals >w<.
am sorry if it caused confusion @w@.

DollyCloudy

1 year ago

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No offense, it just feels like your ego was hurt, why are you punishing all of your supporters, on the site that Made You, just because of a single inconvenience?

Piporete

1 year ago

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People made me not a site, protecting my work from AI is not punishing my watchers. And after delivering more than 100 pages for free without counting others free individuals drawings over this 3 years I think I'm in my right to choose when to release a new drawing, but I guess venting a frustration of mine with a journal is a ego move right?

DollyCloudy

1 year ago

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@ Piporete

Users of the website made you, no website means no users, do you believe you could've had the same amount of success posting solely on e621? A website infamous among artists for being awful to try and get commissions or subscribes from?

And if the point of no longer posting is to protect your art from AI, wouldn't you have deleted your profile once the ruling on AI being allowed happened months ago? Not right now after you got upset over being rightfully given a warning for breaking the rules? Posting your art on a public art booru like e621 isn't the way to protect it from AI either.

You're fully in your right to do as you want your drawings, just admit to the actual reason why you're doing it. You're upset you didn't get special treatment from an extremely over-worked and under-appreciated mod team because you're popular.

Piporete

1 year ago

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Lol no, I never receive special treatment on nothing, on this page or in any other, even more I had to put the doble the effort here censoring each panel, each drawing, etc the same censoring other artist implement but now for them for my drawings is not good enough, so I'm out simply as that
Btw yeah I'm offended that you other people and mods think I want special treatment or that I want drama out of a vent journal, all of you are very wrong, but don't worry I'm not comming back. less work for the mod team no? anyways have a poop emoji 💩

DollyCloudy

1 year ago

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@ Piporete

Good job not responding to any of my points, and good riddance.

alexey

1 year ago

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lol Nobody owes this site any loyalty. Especially after they made AI permissible to post.

DollyCloudy

1 year ago

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Irrelevant whataboutism, if AI was the issue they'd have stopped posting months ago.

alexey

1 year ago

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Are you loyal to Twitter too? lol

You people are ridiculous.

DollyCloudy

1 year ago

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No, I'm not loyal to the website owned by a psychotic billionare whose wife left him, I'm loyal to the site run by fellow furs that's the only one to allow cub art after tumblr, twitter (yes, twitter has banned loli/cub and the only reason you still see them on there is how bad that site's moderation is) and furaffinity banned them.

Make a less ridiculous comparison next time.

alexey

1 year ago

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No one owes a fucking website loyalty dumbass lol

FurCollector

1 year ago

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Big words from a blank account...

How about these thousands of artists that were -many of them, unfairly- exiled from FA? What about these coming from Twitter? Tumblr? DA? Artists and their entire fanbases that had nowhere to fall dead, because the entire internet began to close doors for them, literally. IB was the safe haven for these escaping the witch hunt towards Cub Art and Cub-Like (Cartoon, Chibi, Sonic, Pokemon, etc.), and you have the audacity of saying that nobody owes this site anything...?? Wow, lol...

I'm not fully satisfied on how this site works since a long time ago, and AI is a concern that loomed in the depths of my mind for a good while by now, but that doesn't mean I could -nobody could, actually- deny facts such as every single Cub or Cub-Like artists owing something to this site, even a little bit. This site allowed them to post. This site allowed them to share. This site gave them a place to find them, and follow them. Anyone denying that is either a dellusional nutcase, or an ungrateful bastard.

As for you, Mr. Blank account... if I were you, I'd leave that lame AI escapegoat in the door next time you want to try a bad excuse to talk shit openly lol; as a blank profile who doesn't post art or doesn't commission it, you contribute to nothing, so AI could hardly be any threat or issue for you, don't you think so~?

alexey

1 year ago

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@ FurCollector

Too long, didn't read.

DollyCloudy

1 year ago

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Oh, you just proved you're a fucking idiot, you're not worth arguing with.

FurCollector

1 year ago

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Right~? He can claim "didn't read" all he wants, but fact is that I bent him over so hard and shoved his head up his own asshole so violently, that he can't even connect his two braincells to answer to me :P

Andybanez

11 months, 1 week ago

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