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Update on my drawings

Due to InkBunny moderator team decision to hide "my already censored images" that depict human on anthro I'm not longer be posting nothing on this page, and I want to clarify that when I say nothing is nothing, when I release a new drawing to the public is gonna be on e621 for now only at least until I find a better website. I'm also gonna increment the waiting time for a drawing to go on a public release, and some could have the Glaze filter on them, if you don't like the decision that I take well you can thank InkBunny for that
 Also if I put "loli" on the IB search bar I can already see depictions of human loli and shota, not to mention characters that don't fool anyone and are human in nature why those can get away it? I don't know, but apparently a human character fucking a anthro is to much even if it censored becouse apparently also sexual text between human and anthro is not permited, but well I will admit that I dind't knew about that last rule lol
 Anyways so much for a free-spirited website right? I'm sure those AI cubs getting fucked by floating human dicks are enjoying the website
 Also don't bother to copy past me the rules on human or telling me "Well ummm sweety actually 🤓" becouse if you do, I'm just gonna wait 7 days and then respond you with a poop emoji, I don't know why I just don't lock up the comment section but anyways if you want to comment or respond go ahead I don't care anymore

Anyways take care everyone, and remember Keiko canonically only fucks humans :)
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Clovertea
1 year ago
I think if you see human loli you can report it. The mods probably only take down content if it's reported, so I guess someone reported you for some reason.

Sucks about your art though. I'll watch for it on e6. :3

Also, Nightshade might be better than Glaze, but I'm surprised you weren't using it before.
NinoFoxx
1 year ago
reports aren't guaranteed to do anything.

source: I've reported a dozen human submissions 7 months ago that are all still up.
alistair
1 year ago
Which just goes to show how selective their enforcement is.  Months of reports on some people entirely ignored because "we just don't have enough people!"  But then a SINGLE report on a certain person and they drop the hammer of Thor on them immediately.

Why the discrepancy?  Don't ask questions!  They're doing the best they can!  They're not entirely incompetent and/or actively malicious or anything!
Telain
1 year ago
It's already been said, there's a backlog. They're trying to clear it by having some work at the front of the ticket queue (avoiding multiple reports on what'll generally be newer submissions) and some working from the back. Without knowing how long that backlog is for 8 mods and, at minimum, several hundred active users, I can guess that 7 months is probably squarely in that backlog.
Clovertea
1 year ago
It could also be that reports are given priority based on how many people report something. If multiple people report an image or artist, it might get sorted to the top of their queue, whereas a single report might not get as much priority, but I don't know how Inkbunny works so this is just a guess.

I've been on websites that do that though. They'll have an automated system push stuff that's reported more to the top of a ticket list. Usually means popular users, or people who upload more often, get more scrutiny...
Telain
1 year ago
I don't think that's the case for Inkbunny as on now. The tickets are fully manual entry, so automatically associating them with a particular submission or account would be difficult.
LemmyNiscuit
1 year ago
They've already indicated they have a very rudimentary ticketing system. I would expect it's no more than like when you do a search for submissions. Just pages and pages of tickets, mostly in the order they were created. I'm finding that people have little general idea of what an actual ticketing system looks like, and how almost all of them are either rudimentary or so bloated and complex companies can make only enough sense of them to use them in the most rudimentary way.
Clovertea
1 year ago
I'm not sure if that was directed at me, but I have seen the other end of a few different ticket systems, since I've been the one responding to them. I've never seen Inkbunny's though, and it is true that smaller independently-owned sites just use the basic sort-by-last.

I was just guessing either way, but it could also depend on which mod is on duty when a report is made. Mods are people, and some people are just more proactive about specific kinds of reports than others, for their own reasons, or they just have more time than other mods do, since it's volunteer work.

I guess that's why they're seeking new mods now though.
NinoFoxx
1 year ago
I know they're trying their best. my comment wasn't fair, please disregard it.
ClarkRedheart
1 year ago
Baraag is a good place to upload since they allow both furry and human art with no issue or censorship
PaydayWolf
1 year ago
Fuck, I'm gonna miss seeing you pop up in my new subs feed, and the major happiness boost I get from seeing you. But, I completely understand as this situation is pretty BS. Baraag is a good alternative if you want to check it out! I'll be checking your e6 page religiously now c:
Neversoft
1 year ago
Yeah, I understand why you’re doing this. Inkbunny is too strict with humans but not with AI.

It sucks to see you go.
LemmyNiscuit
1 year ago
If I remember right, it's part of the hosting terms that allows IB to host at least a subset of pics that we like.

I think the biggest thing is that it has to be an occlusion censorship and it has to be fully obscuring the genitals / body, not a mosaic or like how sometimes Japanese censorship does the smallest of lines on only the bare-minimalist of areas so that you can see parts of the penis / vagina.

It is unfortunate that your vision for your story is in direct conflict with the no humans rules. It's one of those things where both sides are valid but the one where the law can come in and wreck shit up is the one that wins.
LemmyNiscuit
1 year ago
Actually now that I'm thinking about it. Didn't this happen before? Weren't you trying to use a mosaic censorship and had to go back and redo it with occlusion censorship?
JeffyCottonbun
1 year ago
While I understand that there are circumstances leading to your decision, I want to express that I'm not alone in feeling rather bummed about it.
Everyone makes mistakes, and sometimes they can lead to unintended consequences. I am aware that you were informed about what was wrong, and were also given the opportunity to amend those submissions, in order to have them unlocked. It's regrettable that we didn't reach out sooner, so that right now the situation wouldn't be overwhelming for you, with so many such submissions.

I really hope you will reconsider your decision.
onstatobol
1 year ago
This is all complete shit! In connection with the new rules, I managed to correct some materials in my gallery. But some bastard receptionist deleted half of my gallery without warning! InkB is no longer a safe place, it was a shot in the foot!

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Kaiser416
1 year ago
Boy. If I had a nickel for every time I've seen the Inkbunny mods not give a fuck, get called out by someone leaving the site, then attempt to CYA in the comment section of the journal announcing them leaving Inkbunny...

I'd have 2 nickels so far, which wouldn't be a lot...

if I was actively looking for this type of stuff.
Randofox
1 year ago
When did they did the first time?
JeffyCottonbun
1 year ago
Get called out on what, precisely? Doing our job? Enforcing the rules that have been in place since 2010 (14 years), which literally everyone agreed to upon signing up?

Let it be clear that this case is no different than others - when someone breaks the ACP they get warned, they have the infringing submissions locked, and that's that.

The difference is that they chose to create all of this drama instead of complying with the rules, in order to have their submissions unlocked.

Could've been that easy for everyone involved. But of course it doesn't have to be that easy, and of course people like to be angry at everything lol.
Kaiser416
1 year ago
The problem is inconsistent moderation leading to mass lock-outs like this.

All I'm saying is whether or not it was on purpose or not, the fact that it took so long for these "broken rules" to be caught and how easy it is to find other artists breaking the same rules but going unpunished - you guys really shouldn't be surprised when people decide to leave the website like this.

Yes, I get it. "We're only human", "we only have so many people", "Other fur sites have their own issues too" etc etc, but until these problems are ironed out to the point where it can be MORE consistent, I would not call it "dramatic" or an "overreaction" to decide to find a different site that at least has less issues to deal with.
Arkunus
1 year ago
Well fuck. This sucks. I'm going miss seeing you on here.
Sparklyblanket
1 year ago
Ik I’ll still get to see your art on discord and e621 but imma miss seeing you post your stuff, I hope one way or another you can still post the anthro only pics here :(

Either way still looking forward to more of your art wherever you decide to post it ^^
FurCollector
1 year ago
Todo el mundo relax, va a estar de vuelta en menos de 24 horas.
Wolflover0329
1 year ago
I have been following your comics on e6 so I will keep an eye on you there. Sorry to hear this shit happened to you.
NeksusCat
1 year ago
It's sad to see you go, man...
At least tell us when and where you'll be updating, I'll hop on. ^^
JustahLurker
1 year ago
Honestly, I prefer e621 over this place. It's a tragedy that there aren't notable platforms with artistic freedom out there.
Anyway, I'll gladly follow elsewhere; given what you create, you really shouldn't bother posting here if it's more work for you.
Maybe see you on Baraag!
Kinshuka
1 year ago
I completely understand why you're leaving, but I hate to see it happen. Your art, story and characters are amazing. IB is becoming worse by the day, that's for sure. Like ClarkRedheart said, Baraag is a great place to go. Wherever you go, I'll make sure to keep following you and your amazing art!
sillylilfoxcub
1 year ago
It seems like Everything, everything, everything -- is just getting worse and worse...

GumRoad / Patreon / PayPal / MasterCard -- are all banning NSFW Artwork and trying to be the "Fiction Police."

....(As if it weren't already bad enough when the Twitter Dorks were doing it)....

FurAffinity has long since been the "Godly Yiffs Only" website, and now the Puritanism Disease seems to be spreading to other websites... I remember long, long ago... when Fchan was the big battle ground for the "Cub Debate" way before FurAffinity was even considering a ban...

It's all a Domino Effect... as more "Puritans" (aka "Neo Burned Furs") join the Furry Fandom, the sensibilities of the fandom change and shift... what was acceptable in Furry Art 30 years ago is now something that is "problematic" and will get you canceled by a legion of Angry Twitter Zombies... people cannot separate Fiction from Reality anymore...

I hate to think that either Inkbunny or e621 would be susceptible to such restrictive puritanical thinking -- but let's face it, things can't and won't stay the same forever... the Puritans want the France and Canada Laws to come to the USA. The laws that will make drawing "certain kinds" of Furry Porn 100% illegal and a punishable criminal offense... what the Pro Censorship Dorks do not realize is that -- once those laws are done coming after the Cub Art and Feral Art, THEY'RE NEXT... lol lol lol....

I shall now quote Neil Gaiman:

""If there is something you consider indefensible, and there is something you consider defensible, and the same laws can take them both out, you are going to find yourself defending the indefensible.""

~Neil Gaiman


..........................

""Laws do not differentiate between what you like and what you don't like.... prosecutors are humans who bear grudges and fight for re-election.... one person's obscenity is another person's art.""

~Neil Gaiman


....................................

"If you don't stand up for the stuff you don't like, when they come for the stuff you do like, you've already lost."

~Neil Gaiman
Alfador
1 year ago
...Inkbunny has been like this from the very beginning, because of laws about depicting humans in sexual situations in the country the server is hosted in. It has absolutely nothing to do with puritanism, or wanting to clamp down. Furaffinity would delete the image and ban you if a mod decided a character looked too cub-like; Inkbunny just hides the image and lets you know what you need to bring it into compliance. Are we that spoiled here that we don't remember how much worse it is elsewhere? The only change here is that someone reported an image. (Wasn't me; I had no idea about the mosaic censoring not being enough thing, and in any case that too is a legal requirement, not something the site owners want to do!)
sillylilfoxcub
1 year ago
Yeah sure, InkBunny is better than FurAffinity -- for now.

Just like Fchan used to be a fantastic furry site -- until internal mod drama and outside influences started making Fchan into more of a place to "argue about what drawings are and are not problematic" rather than a place to simply enjoy furry artwork.

And great websites like Wild Critters (which primarily hosted Kemono art and translated Doujins) pretty much disappeared (or I think it had some "internal power struggle" too, and it got split off into Veebooru)....

e621 is still mostly decent..... but who knows if that will always be the case. The vibe and the attitude and the atmosphere there could always change... the Fandom is becoming more and more obsessed with the ideas of "Purity In Fiction" and "thought crime" and "OMFG, THAT'S PROBLEMATIC, YOU CAN'T DRAW THAT OR WRITE THAT... you have upset the U.S. BUREAU OF MORALITY, please stand by for EXTRACTION & RE-EDUCATION."

https://www.nin.wiki/US_Bureau_of_Morality

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAgdihHcnlE

sillylilfoxcub
1 year ago
"Consuming or spreading this material may be considered subversive by the United States Bureau of Morality. If you or someone you know has engaged in subversive acts or thoughts, call [### ### ###]. BE A PATRIOT - BE AN INFORMER!"

https://www.nin.wiki/18664456580

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_tzig8_tOQ
Claws61821
1 year ago
This is false. As someone who was a member of the IB community within months of its founding,  the website did not even have servers in the country you mention until several years later and did not have any rules against human characters until some time after the primary servers were moved there. When those rules were placed into effect, it was done suddenly and with no community outreach prior to the notice, causing a majority of users to suspect and fear that the site was being sold to Neer behind the scenes, and even when that was clarified to not be the case there was still mass outrage over the fact that the new rules prohibited humans who were clearly adults and species both fictional and otherwise (ex: elves, hairless cats, certain monkey species) long established as having clearly definable traits that differentiate them from humans in addition to prohibiting human children characters and characters of unclear distinction. Please get your historical facts straight before you make sweeping claims about what something has been like "from the very beginning".
sillylilfoxcub
1 year ago
Dragoneer is a colossal hypocrite anyway -- 'Neer had artwork of his own "Cub" character (Preyfar, a purple hyena cub) in the SoftPaw Magazines... and if you go read the ARCHIVED forum posts discussing the subject, 'Neer argued IN FAVOR of preserving artistic freedom... but at some point, the pressure (from both Payment Processors and RABBLE ROUSERS and DRAMA STARTERS) must have gotten to be too much and he just caved in and gave up.

https://web.archive.org/web/20150821170440/https://foru...

'Neer even quoted "US code Title 18, Chapter 2256" which states in Section 11:

"""the term “indistinguishable” used with respect to a depiction, means virtually indistinguishable, in that the depiction is such that an ordinary person viewing the depiction would conclude that the depiction is of an ACTUAL minor engaged in sexually explicit conduct. This definition DOES NOT apply to depictions that are drawings, cartoons, sculptures, or paintings."""

I am quoting and linking to Dragoneer's own words because CLEARLY HE SOLD OUT HIS BELIEFS.....

Yes, I know InkBunny is hosted in some other country that isn't the USA (which is also SLOWLY becoming its own Puritanical Theocratic Nanny State)... but I am quoting and linking to that stuff 'Neer wrote to point out that PEOPLE WHO USED TO BE HARDCORE PRO ARTISTIC FREEDOM can always SLIP.... if ENOUGH PRESSURE is applied.
GreenReaper
10 months ago
Umm. This is a bit late, but in fact Inkbunny didn't allow humans in art at all for most of its first year. I know because I wrote a news story when that changed. Frankly, it would have been a lot simpler to keep it that way.
Xenos1992
1 year ago
It's sucks to see you go, but your art will always be a fun & cute, I hope you have find a different way as possible but it takes time
moyomongoose
1 year ago
Yiffy International use to allow depictions of human and anthro-animals having sex.

However, Yiffy did not allow depictions of sex between human and non-anthro.  
And they did not allow depictions of sex between anthro-animals and non-anthro animals.

Yiffy had gone out years ago though.
KrystalTentacion
1 year ago
Sad decision but very understandable, I don’t understand the moderators thought on your censored works because the mosaic censor was more than enough. If they wanted a pitch black bar censor they should’ve said it in the rule instead. And just read this is because you got reported while you’re still respected the rules, this is fucked.
Baraag and e621 are the place to go for absolute free expression, I’m also in a Discord with the VioletEchoes community so you’re more than welcome if you wish.
TepTepgi
1 year ago
wish you the best
Moss
1 year ago
Not that I'm like boasting or anything but I'm able to sub to you on Substar and I'm glad to do it. I completely understand your position about IB. I know not everyone can sub to an artist but what I'm saying is I'll just catch your stuff on Substar.
KrystalTentacion
1 year ago
Well after a discussion, the rule stated that even censored works that involves human characters are still not permitted and the hidding is the warning. The best would have to crop the pages like making them simple thumbnails and giving the links like you used to do. Still bad this situation happened, we got too heated here.
esanhusky
1 year ago
This is ridiculous, you probably adhere to the standards better than anybody that wants to post human stuff.  Now I'm going to be triple pissed off any time I see an "Anubian" or other pretty much literal human here
R0XIZ
1 year ago
This is terrible news! I don't wanna see you go from IB! Those idiots don't realize how good you are, I'm super upset about this.
Killjoy
1 year ago
Just shop animals ears onto Jin before posting the unedited pic as for some reason that typically makes it ok for other artists (animal ears and a tail means no longer human some how).
Clovertea
1 year ago
According to the rules, they also ban kemonomimi actually...

I checked, because some writing I wanted to post has kemonomimi in it. Turns out I can't post that here. ^^; If you see other people getting away with it, it's just because nobody reported it yet.
Viro
1 year ago
At this point, you're better of just showing a cropped square of a character's head then link elsewhere just to keep pages organized and consistent. Still a lame rule given what the purpose of it is for as it treats artwork as real-life which has never made sense. I understand they do this due how certain laws in some regions take it given the site's location, but it's still idiotic.
Chuun
1 year ago
Maybe you could use Baraag as an alternative? They have almost complete creative freedom for artwork there.
LupineLurker
1 year ago
T' say that this is heartbreakin' would be an understatement.

I'll still regularly check yer page here, jus' in case, if only to be reminded to hop over to e621 for updates.

I seriously hope this gets resolved, an' soon. You've become a staple o' this community; don't matter you include humans in your works. You make this place better jus' by bein' here.

Stay strong. An' if you ever need someone t' talk to, or vent to, you know how t' reach me over on Discord.

Love ya, Pip.
xcar
1 year ago
The problem with e621 is that one must have an account to see the R-18 pics, and many of us don't want to create another account to another site, specially if is one we rarely go, but if in e621, you open the image in a new window, and you put the link that new window, one can see it without loging to e621, so if you are going to post the pics there, please, could you also put that alternate link?
BizyMouse
1 year ago
This site died with AI anyway. And don't bother with glaze it doesn't work.
RadioAM
1 year ago
And who determined that? You? So because you are intolerant of AI productions the site must be considered already worthless and "dead"? Gosh, the entitlement...
BizyMouse
1 year ago
Yes, because I am smart and you are stupid. 💅
RadioAM
1 year ago
Wow, insulting and insta-blocking when confronted with logic~ Sure the level of "smartness" is reaching new heights according to this special snowflake rofl
NashVonTookus
1 year ago
"AI good actually" is not """logic"""
BizyMouse
1 year ago
Allowing AI onto an art gallery is actually abusive. I feel emotionally abused.
Lloxie
1 year ago
Very sorry to hear this. I actually only just now discovered you on IB, but I've been following your comic on e621 for a short bit now. Love your work, and I do hope you'll continue, even if you stop using this site. I know a couple other artists that have already ditched this place for various reasons. It feels like this place is on the decline, and if something doesn't change at some point, all that'll be left are the AI-spamming charlatans. But I digress. Sorry to see you go, but I totally understand. And I'm glad I'll at least still be able to see your stuff on e621. Wish I could suggest more alternatives, because it's never good to have all your eggs in one basket, but sadly there aren't many sites like this out there. I do wish you luck, in any case.
R3DRUNNER
1 year ago
good for you, post where you want to. i don’t think anyone can blame you for leaving after where the site has gone in the last two years. whoever said they didn’t see this coming isn’t paying any attention.
BizyMouse
1 year ago
I saw this coming 6 months ago and felt that no other artist here has had my back about it, everybody just sticks their head in the sand. I cleared 7 years worth of art off of here after greenreaper told me to take a hike. Has anyone else?

https://inkbunny.net/j/493355-BizyMouse-ai-compromise-s...
https://inkbunny.net/j/494242-BizyMouse-goodbye-for-now
XPAuthor
1 year ago
Man this sucks. Seeing your stuff was always a highlight whenever it popped up. But I understand your choice. I've had to... do some bassackwards shit to get around the no humans rule in the very few stories I have about it. It's dumb. I know why it's done, and I get it. But getting it doesn't make it any less dumb.
Kitsunesgod
1 year ago
Nooooo!! What the fuck is with 'our' sites suddenly cracking down on the very things we come to these sites for?? I'm gonna miss you and wait for you on E6
noryn
1 year ago
bye~ ❤
NexusBlack
1 year ago
Honestly good for you and every other artists leaving, this place has become so bad, they really don't deserve any of you.
TobyBaggins
1 year ago
Though I will miss seeing your art here, I understand. I already follow you on other sites. Will see you on the flip side.
wollypegger
1 year ago
This stinks of an act of revenge.
brokenscale
1 year ago
Since I currently can't use e621, I guess this is goodbye.
Lemotter
1 year ago
Ai rules are also stupid thet reuire like the dna of the picture to be acceted
Nightdancer
1 year ago
My main problem is, that NONE of the posters are providing the whole prompts.
They are always leaving the artists out (in order to avoid the drama), but IB isn't stopping them either).
Telain
1 year ago
And how are you sure of that? The problem is proving it.
Even stepping through simple prompts to prove reproducibility is time consuming and takes some amount of resources. And then, unless they're running on CPU generation, it's not going to be perfect.
Lemotter
1 year ago
The ai i used is sort of random generated, same promr grenerates thousand of different images. But actually i not understand why that is a problem, as i not sell the image or  like that.
Telain
1 year ago
All AI engines use a seed in addition to prompts. But GPUs are also imprecise with their randomness, to put it simply, so certain parts of generations would need to be done with a CPU for perfect replication.
Nightdancer
1 year ago
I really don't understand why people even trying to post human art here and pushing the limits of this side.
The limitations are (also, but not only in order to get "away" with cub content) well known.
Even more surprising to me are the butt hurt reactions later.

I can understand the reasoning regarding the AI art. I would like to see a separate gallery (with less rules).
But bringing out this argument here is more whataboutism.
PaydayWolf
1 year ago
I think a lot of the butthurt comes from not seeing pipo upload here anymore - a very well known and beloved artist (I would also be pretty butthurt if you stopped uploading all your beautiful comms here too, ND.)

Staff are absolutely right to have the no humans rule however, but I think a lot of the problems people have is that it's considered inconsistent. What doesn't help is the understaffing, which hopefully should be fixed soon as IB is currently  doing a recruitment drive.

At the end of the day, I prefer having the no-humans rule because it means the site can still safely (for the most part) operate - and importantly to me, we can keep cub content here. However I understand the problems people raise about consistency, and the AI art debate is a whole different can of worms.
sillylilfoxcub
1 year ago
It's like -- if one person chews gum in class and they get punished for it by the teacher, but ANOTHER different person chews gum in class and they DON'T get punished by the teacher, then how is that fair???? It's "selective enforcement."
Telain
1 year ago
It's not "selective enforcement" when the one that was caught is sitting in the front of the class and someone points it out to the teacher, while the other is sitting in the back and no one is looking at them. If you see pictures that violate the rules, report them. There's a "Support Tickets" link at the bottom of every page. Mods can't act on what they don't know about, which is part of why Pipo got away with it for so long.
Nightdancer
1 year ago
Look, I am free to drive through the red light, because someone else did it as well?
Or I am not supposed to be charged, as long as the others aren't also charged.

sillylilfoxcub
1 year ago
Do you know how many people ALMOST HIT ME at a crosswalk because "Right On Red" is still a thing here in the USA, despite the fact it is VERY DANGEROUS for pedestrians? People here can't just WAIT for the white light (Walk Signal) to be over so they can drive their 2 ton death machine into the cross walk where I am TRYING TO CROSS.... yes "because someone else does it, I get to do it too" is a big mentality here.....

https://apnews.com/article/red-light-turn-pedestrian-bi...
ScottySkunk
1 year ago
damn. you will be missed
ninyall
1 year ago
Think Ib is going to have a few issues from this  Infaction as another artist I like has said they are quitting  ib for some time due to this issue,
FallenArtsIB
1 year ago
ngl this is a nothingburger

just don't upload human art lol why are people making a bigger deal out of this
Kellyn
1 year ago
It is definitely not a nothing burger. The issue isn’t about human content but how understaffed, and incapable the moderation team is of applying the rules evenly to everyone, and in a timely manor.

That said it’s definitely a nothing burger if people are saying IB is changing for the worse.
FallenArtsIB
1 year ago
just sounds like someone was upset the rules finally came to them then

Kellyn
1 year ago
It’s unreasonable it’s unreasonable that censored human is allowed. Don’t blame the artist for posting something that’s allowed. Tons of people post censored human content to link off site. Blame IB for allowing the rules to be so ambiguous and so slowly enforced that this happens.
NashVonTookus
1 year ago
no, they're upset because the rules weren't enforced upon them at all, for 3 years, despite the mods actively following their work.
It's a selective enforcement issue.
sillylilfoxcub
1 year ago
""""""just sounds like someone was upset the rules finally came to them then""""""


Funny you mention, hahahaha....

https://www.flayrah.com/8924/fur-affinity-expands-rules...

And all the little Zangooses and the little Eevees cried and said "STOP, WAIT! MY CHARACTER ISN'T CUB! WHAT ARE YOU DOING? GET THEM, NOT ME!!!!!"

LOL Part 1

https://ibb.co/k52fS2G

.................................

LOL Part 2

https://ibb.co/6yTYC1X

...............................

Hahahaha..... wonderful.
RadioAM
1 year ago
" ...why are people making a bigger deal out of this


Because kiddy porn artist. I can guarantee you that if it involved a regular porn artist, nobody would give half a fuck~
sillylilfoxcub
1 year ago
Did you just call a cartoon drawing of a fictional character who doesn't exist "kiddy p0rn?" LULZ......

The term “indistinguishable” used with respect to a depiction, means virtually indistinguishable, in that the depiction is such that an ordinary person viewing the depiction would conclude that the depiction is of an ACTUAL minor engaged in sexually explicit conduct. This definition DOES NOT apply to depictions that are drawings, cartoons, sculptures, or paintings.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2256

Section 11.....

...............................

It's also the SAME thing that Dragoneer quoted when people were pushing him to BAN CUB from FurAffinity....

https://web.archive.org/web/20150821170440/https://foru...

2006 Dragoneer was better, current year 'Neer sucks....

I want the ~COOL~ 'Neer back... the guy who fought for Artistic Freedom and also had art of his "Preyfar" purple hyena cub character in the SoftPaw Magazines, lol lol lol.....

RadioAM
1 year ago
Chatin
1 year ago
......what?

#1 why are you even on this site when the majority of the content is that.
#2 fiction isn't reality. Stopped dumbing down terms meant for csam.

I really don't know if you're a troll or just that dense.
RadioAM
1 year ago
Is there even the slightest evidence in my comment stating that I dislike such drawings, or did I pulled out the fiction vs. reality conflict? No. I just pointed to a fact as big as a house. Keep walking.
sillylilfoxcub
1 year ago
Sorry, but any time someone calls cartoon drawings "kiddy p0rn" I immediately just assume that person is some kind of Twitter Nutjob with a severe case of "Oneirataxia" (inability to distinguish fictional fantasy from actual reality)....

CSEM and cartoon drawings are two entirely different things....

Just like Furry Artwork and "Bestiality P0rn" are two entirely different things....

To even imply the two are equal is a "False Equivalence" argument.....

Sorry if I or anyone else in this comment section reacted badly to your "joke"

But perhaps we've dealt with one too many "Antis" on the Bird Site???? lol....


RadioAM
1 year ago
It's fine. I just tend to use a more general term instead of choosing from cub, loli, kit, etc. but it seemed to lead to a misunderstanding.
sillylilfoxcub
1 year ago
It's like calling a Sega a Nintendo -- they're both "video game systems" but they are not exactly the same thing.

Or calling a Pepsi a "Coke" -- they're both "soft drinks" but they are not exactly the same thing (and we all know that Royal Crown Cola is the SUPERIOR of the three -- JK).

.........................................

Cub Art is not the same thing as CSEM.

Loli / Shota Art is not the same thing as CSEM.
Chatin
1 year ago
Well that implication was worse than your first statement. Good lord.

sillylilfoxcub
1 year ago
Right? It's like calling playing Grand Theft Auto "performing the act of murder" -- lol....

No it isn't... NPCs in a video game are not the same thing as Real People.

2D Cartoon Drawings are not the same thing as Real People... it's silly to even use such phrasing.

Even as a "joke."
orangebox
1 year ago
cub pr0n is serious business
sillylilfoxcub
1 year ago
You could always go back to FurAffinity.....

https://www.flayrah.com/8924/fur-affinity-expands-rules...

"welp guys, we banned cub, but that's just NOT enough -- we need to ban the SHORT POKEMON too! Short Pokemon is like, BASICALLY the same thing as CSEM!"

https://www.flayrah.com/8931/tagging-and-filtering-alte...
Qwazzy
1 year ago
Feels like there's no such thing as a problem-free website anymore for this community. Every single one of them has positives and negatives, or in some cases, only negatives.
sillylilfoxcub
1 year ago
I miss WildCritters, that place was awesome...

And Veeboru was also kind of okay.... lol.
Yuhbuh
1 year ago
Hop on Baraag! Human on Anthro welcomed! :>
Caust
1 year ago
So was the censorship not deemed "sufficient" enough? Stuff Arianul posts hits front page all the time, and it's pretty much exclusively human with no fur. I assumed so long as junk was censored or cropped it was fine to link it off site?
Telain
1 year ago
Censorship is insufficient. "Censored art involving humans must plausibly depict a non-sexual situation." If you see any in violation elsewhere, report them for review.
sillylilfoxcub
1 year ago
"“Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it.""

~ Mark Twain


...........................

""If there is something you consider indefensible, and there is something you consider defensible, and the same laws can take them both out, you are going to find yourself defending the indefensible.""

~Neil Gaiman



...........................

""Laws do not differentiate between what you like and what you don't like.... prosecutors are humans who bear grudges and fight for re-election.... one person's obscenity is another person's art.""

~Neil Gaiman


...............................

Yes, I am aware that InkBunny isn't hosted in our grand United States of America where the freaky France Laws that banned Bunny Bits haven't reached (yet).... but I still quote these quotes because it's funny.... nobody thought that FurAffinity would ban cub, and then EXTEND that ban to include the Short Pokemon too, lol.....

...............................

""If you don't stand up for the stuff you don't like, when they come for the stuff you do like, you've already lost.""

~Neil Gaiman
Lnarra214
1 year ago
Wow, that really sucks.
ImpChadChan
1 year ago
It's called moral panic 🙄 and it's going to get worse before it gets better. But don't worry, the mechanic of moral panic itself is not self-sustaining. So, it will eventually get better. Anyway, by my part I will follow you wherever you decide to go :3
sillylilfoxcub
1 year ago
Yup, yup, yup!

And "moral panics" -- especially over FICTIONAL ARTWORK that doesn't even involve REAL PEOPLE -- is friggin' stupid.... nobody should CARE what you draw Tails the Fictional Fox doing.... nobody... it's a cartoon character from a video game...
SpyroBeddingCynder
1 year ago
Dam.   Am sorry.
JackDesert
1 year ago
*evil grin* Umm sweety actually... going to miss seeing you here but I'll come visit you on e621.  Loved the art here.  Still sucks that it evidently was on the wrong side of the fuzzy line.
*gets ready with the pooper scooper in seven days*
Simplerock91
1 year ago
And another artist leaves.
I find it funny other users said stuff like this would happen and people called them nuts.
Can't believe how Murphy's Law is now an everyday occurrence.
Tigerfestivals
1 year ago
You can go on Baraag or Pixiv, they both allow basically everything.
The caveats being:

Baraag is small and more human loli focused.
  
Pixiv you'd have to bother with pixel censoring and linking to an off-site uncensored image or something, which may or may not be against policy idk. I've seen other artists do that and nobody seems to care. There's also tons of AI images there now, but you can filter most of them out with a setting.
Zazel
1 year ago
Baraag is anything but small, it has almost 45k active monthly users!

https://baraag.net/nodeinfo/2.0
Tigerfestivals
1 year ago
In comparison to inkbunny, FA, Deviantart and especially Twitter, it is my impression that the userbase is small.
Not to say that nobody is using it, but its a bit niche. I like the site myself.
Chira
1 year ago
if anything is FA now small since they basicly killed themselfs with their ToS.
pixiv is fighting aswell with the link to uncensored versions and its technicly not longer allowed either.
with other words, pixiv handles it in the same way like inkbunny does it now aka.
saying that it is on a different site uncensored? thats fine.
linking it directly in the description to the full version? not fine.

its about the links in the description
Tigerfestivals
1 year ago
Idk i've seen people on pixiv directly linking to catbox or baraag. maybe those submissions are just old and in english so since the moderation is a Japanese team things are slow but idk. If it IS Pixiv policy to not directly link uncensored versions they don't seem to care or enforce it.
In fact, they're so slow with enforcment that they didn't even ask me to censor some of my uncensored or incorectly censored drawings I hosted on the site directly until like 3 years after I uploaded them and they already had over a thousand bookmaks and such. I was unfamilar with the rules at the time so it was my bad,  but you'd think moderation would have noticed it earlier.
Chira
1 year ago
have to say here too o3o i thought IB made this change too but they didnt.
i thought they did. but after looking through the IB staff journals and getting my cheek poked really hard by @Kadm seems it that i was in the wrong. could be that i mixxed IB with pixiv up aswell. iunno, am sorry @w@.
manicMagician
1 year ago
Aw, damn! That's really stupid. I don't even get why that's a rule.
Unfortunate, I don't really use e621, and mostly just follow the links from the comics here...
thecooler
1 year ago
atleast give us the link here? with just a thumbnail even if the whole image is blurred here? pretty please?
Chira
1 year ago
the problem here with you is that you probably missed inkbunnys ToS update a while ago where they stated that they may not longer accept censored human pictures which  get linked in the description to its full version.

as far as i know is it still ok if you write into the description for example "the full picture is on my baraag". but the full picture is here [insert link here] is not longer ok.

so, i simply recomment that you should click the notifications when they pop up ontop, expecially when it is about ToS changes ^^.
Chira
1 year ago
btw i have to correct this.
IB hasnt done said ToS change. o.o
i thought they did but they havent. i even looked into the IB journals >w<.
am sorry if it caused confusion @w@.
DollyCloudy
1 year ago
No offense, it just feels like your ego was hurt, why are you punishing all of your supporters, on the site that Made You, just because of a single inconvenience?
Piporete
1 year ago
People made me not a site, protecting my work from AI is not punishing my watchers. And after delivering more than 100 pages for free without counting others free individuals drawings over this 3 years I think I'm in my right to choose when to release a new drawing, but I guess venting a frustration of mine with a journal is a ego move right?
DollyCloudy
1 year ago
Users of the website made you, no website means no users, do you believe you could've had the same amount of success posting solely on e621? A website infamous among artists for being awful to try and get commissions or subscribes from?

And if the point of no longer posting is to protect your art from AI, wouldn't you have deleted your profile once the ruling on AI being allowed happened months ago? Not right now after you got upset over being rightfully given a warning for breaking the rules? Posting your art on a public art booru like e621 isn't the way to protect it from AI either.

You're fully in your right to do as you want your drawings, just admit to the actual reason why you're doing it. You're upset you didn't get special treatment from an extremely over-worked and under-appreciated mod team because you're popular.
Piporete
1 year ago
Lol no, I never receive special treatment on nothing, on this page or in any other, even more I had to put the doble the effort here censoring each panel, each drawing, etc the same censoring other artist implement but now for them for my drawings is not good enough, so I'm out simply as that
Btw yeah I'm offended that you other people and mods think I want special treatment or that I want drama out of a vent journal, all of you are very wrong, but don't worry I'm not comming back. less work for the mod team no? anyways have a poop emoji 💩


DollyCloudy
1 year ago
Good job not responding to any of my points, and good riddance.
alexey
1 year ago
lol Nobody owes this site any loyalty. Especially after they made AI permissible to post.
DollyCloudy
1 year ago
Irrelevant whataboutism, if AI was the issue they'd have stopped posting months ago.
alexey
1 year ago
Are you loyal to Twitter too? lol

You people are ridiculous.
DollyCloudy
1 year ago
No, I'm not loyal to the website owned by a psychotic billionare whose wife left him, I'm loyal to the site run by fellow furs that's the only one to allow cub art after tumblr, twitter (yes, twitter has banned loli/cub and the only reason you still see them on there is how bad that site's moderation is) and furaffinity banned them.

Make a less ridiculous comparison next time.
alexey
1 year ago
No one owes a fucking website loyalty dumbass lol
FurCollector
1 year ago
Big words from a blank account...

How about these thousands of artists that were -many of them, unfairly- exiled from FA? What about these coming from Twitter? Tumblr? DA? Artists and their entire fanbases that had nowhere to fall dead, because the entire internet began to close doors for them, literally. IB was the safe haven for these escaping the witch hunt towards Cub Art and Cub-Like (Cartoon, Chibi, Sonic, Pokemon, etc.), and you have the audacity of saying that nobody owes this site anything...?? Wow, lol...

I'm not fully satisfied on how this site works since a long time ago, and AI is a concern that loomed in the depths of my mind for a good while by now, but that doesn't mean I could -nobody could, actually- deny facts such as every single Cub or Cub-Like artists owing something to this site, even a little bit. This site allowed them to post. This site allowed them to share. This site gave them a place to find them, and follow them. Anyone denying that is either a dellusional nutcase, or an ungrateful bastard.

As for you, Mr. Blank account... if I were you, I'd leave that lame AI escapegoat in the door next time you want to try a bad excuse to talk shit openly lol; as a blank profile who doesn't post art or doesn't commission it, you contribute to nothing, so AI could hardly be any threat or issue for you, don't you think so~?
alexey
1 year ago
Too long, didn't read.
DollyCloudy
1 year ago
Oh, you just proved you're a fucking idiot, you're not worth arguing with.
FurCollector
1 year ago
Right~? He can claim "didn't read" all he wants, but fact is that I bent him over so hard and shoved his head up his own asshole so violently, that he can't even connect his two braincells to answer to me :P
Andybanez
10 months, 3 weeks ago
you can ,in the easiest way possible, tell things are getting VERY out of hand when a Lion-fursona user can no longer help itself against drama and a Ringtailed Lemur secret Hero has to intervene ;3
omegarook
1 year ago
Have you considered The Jab Archives? Jim (Cheetah) of Cats n' Cameras runs it and he seems like a pretty good guy. And I know there is loli/cub content there - Monkeycheese, MisterD and many others post content there. I don't think you would be out of place there at all.
Aogami
1 year ago
Once you hit a certain level of visibility you attract the attention of people who aren't willing to look past stuff that is dubious or questionable about whether it's in compliance with the rules. You can take it as a sign that you're getting pretty popular. I've had to use other sites to host my human stuff since I moved my gallery here in 2011 because staff was on me the entire time. Usually they're pretty chill but if it gets reported and they do nothing it's evidence that they are willfully disregarding the law and they just can't risk it.

They do allow off-site linking though. I saw you made a baraag account, you can put your uncensored work in the description and link it here with just a thumbnail or a censored version and it works fine. I get it if that's a pain in the butt, it just depends on how much value the following you've accumulated here has. You'll inevitably lose people moving platforms, and swapping to mastodon has more freedom but also less visibility. You don't get notified when people you follow post, you just have to pray that you see it or regularly check their page and very few people are dedicated enough to do that.
Piporete
1 year ago
You are 100% right, I also been thinking that there are also people that can't or not want for various reasons to create another account on other sites, so is also gonna be a pain in the butt for them too not being able to follow my works anymore here, so I can admit that is pretty selfish on my part I really don't wanna leave them behind, but I also need a time off the site the latest policies and the actitude of some moderators got me tired and this latest stuff I think it was the drop that spilled the glass at least for me, and when I read that they say I want special treatment or create drama is just worse, at least I know now what they really think about me, but well thank you very much for the suggestions I will be thinking about this situation in more detail
Aogami
1 year ago
Yeah I mean ... it sounds like it's personal. You had a bad experience talking to moderation and that can ruin the appeal of using a site (that's what happened to me with itaku.ee) at all. I'm kind of just approaching it from a numbers perspective; if you leave entirely, how many people will be missing out on seeing your work and how will that affect you? How inconvenient is it to reupload old stuff and is it worth it to do/is there a streamlined or simpler way to do it that would make the time commitment worthwhile? That kind of thing. Ultimately it's up to you to decide what that stuff is worth, but I am really sorry you're having a rough time and I hope it all gets smoothed out soon. <3
hiya09
11 months ago
So following bullshit rules and censorship don't mean shit here then. I'd just go to e621 since you're more welcome to post the same kind of content there. I'm also thinking about leaving here because of the horseshit moderators and very little attention you get here. If only I can go back to Baraag but now I can't.
moontears
9 months ago
Labyrias
5 months, 2 weeks ago
Good luck. Just keep in mind that e621 is an ill regulated cesspit with powertripping mods who freestyle moderation and censorship as they please, and if you question it a bit too hard you gonna get curb stomped harder than you could say Dragoneer on furaffinity.

Oh and they are starting to lay down even harsher censorship on human art that inkbunny does.
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