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GOD that hurt me by proxy. I'm sorry you had to deal with that. Taking down something you worked on cause the other person doesn't want their name associated with it is rude as hell.

I'm sorry you had to go through that. No artist should have to do that that often for so much of their work.

123notit123

3 years, 9 months ago

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Maaan, that hurts me both hearing that you felt you had to do that, the amount of effort that must take to do that...and the fact that I may never see the pics.

No matter how much crap you get, don't you take it lying down. You keep doing you, sir. Your creations, your time, your rules. Straight up.

Milkie

3 years, 9 months ago

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Ha! Yeah, fuck them cowards.

Sylex

3 years, 9 months ago

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Oof, my condolences there. Must be stressing for you.
Hope things work out.

UncleCarmine

3 years, 9 months ago

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Fuckin' own your kinks god damn it.

max201451

3 years, 9 months ago

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so the short of it is people were a shamed of the stuff they enjoyed and made you delete their names in-order to tell their friends and family's that the stuff they like is bad so they seem fine?

Milkie

3 years, 9 months ago

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@ max201451

Yeah, basically people who are absolutely into under-aged content consort regularly with the very people who would see them shoved off the face of the Earth. And when push comes to shove, it's the content creators that get all the flak for it, and those who enjoy and support the work in the audience stay quiet and just let them take all the heat.

max201451

3 years, 9 months ago

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alright, at least this silly shit done and dusted.

Sonicfancreature340

3 years, 9 months ago

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The reason I enjoy this Loli content is because it's not real people. And even if it was, I won't judge those who like it as long as nobody is hurt

TheLunatic25

3 years, 9 months ago

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@ Sonicfancreature340

Well, there's a distinct line here.

Actual stuff involves actual persons, being actually exploited. No tolerance for it. None. There CAN'T be.

Because that stuff HURTS people, on deeply rooted levels.

Sonicfancreature340

3 years, 9 months ago

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You're right, but I wouldn't insult them. I'd just tell them my opinion

RollerCoasterViper59

3 years, 9 months ago

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I'm not into loli/shota/cub etc. however I find it fucking disgusting how many people are like "oh you're into cub, cool you're a fucking pedo piece fo shit" It's just art get the fuck off you're high horse. If I who am not into it can see that you should be able to too. Sorry you gotta deal with these dumb ass fuckers

TrueMind

3 years, 9 months ago

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i can understand not wanting to take down your own art because of a commissioners request but if a persons family members or coworkers who are less than accepting of this kinda stuff were to find out about this stuff through getting doxed or whathave you then a person's life might get destroyed over this, most people are not as enlightened as us over separating reality from fiction and i would hate to see someones life get destroyed just cause they wanted to enjoy a fantasy of something without actually doing it. im not saying you should take down your art though, but perhaps a anonymous commission would be nice where you dont say who commissioned it would be best yaknow. i know the whole doxed and publicly exposed thing is highly unlikely but some people would still not want to take that chance yaknow. i do hope you are understanding to my point, you seem frustrated over it and that is understandable, you should be allowed to post your work to show your skill.

Milkie

3 years, 9 months ago

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Well then those people can go commission someone else. All the things that could happen to them if they're uncovered, are far more likely to happen to Nori himself because he MAKES the stuff.

And it's a real dick move to have someone make you something that could get them in trouble, while at the same time doing everything you can to avoid any responsibility falling on your shoulders.

TrueMind

3 years, 9 months ago

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well i assume that nori himself has accepted the risks of what he is making, i guess because he dose not have such family member or coworkers that would expose him over it. but him forcing that openness onto everyone he dose commissions for is a bit rude.

Milkie

3 years, 9 months ago

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Well, it's Nori's choice. People can go commission someone else then.

TrueMind

3 years, 9 months ago

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well yes, but im trying to make a point of compromise, as i can understand where both these commissioners and nori are coming from. dont treat me like how boomers treat people under 40 please. we can have a civil discussion over it without you saying a "because they said so" argument.

Milkie

3 years, 9 months ago

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Well trust me, there won't be any compromise. The only compromise in this will be "live and let live." Nori will continue to draw and write what he does, and those who enjoy it can continue to do so. He's just not gonna put his ass on the line for them anymore.

If an artist has a community, then it should be exactly that: a community where people support each other. Though all this time, it's been a one-way deal where Nori is supporting his fans by giving them what they want, and then they proceed to pretend they don't even know who he is.

TrueMind

3 years, 9 months ago

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well for starters, you really dont get to make that decision for him, if he were to say that then i could accept that but you saying that his stance will never change instead of himself then that is still you making the choice for him, a person should be allowed to consider what others have to say as no single person is inflatable in their judgement. and secondly just saying that you will never compromise no matter what is a very unhealthy and childish way to make decisions, yes he has the authority to do so but that dose not make it a good choice to make. at least let him acknowledge what i am saying beyond a "he said so, so stop talking".

YukiAkuma

3 years, 9 months ago

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You have no idea that Milkie is one of Nori's close friends that Nori has talked about this issue with, do you?

He's not going to change his mind over this just because some rando decided he should.

TrueMind

3 years, 9 months ago

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@ YukiAkuma

im not "deciding" that he should, im making a case as to why he should in hopes that he will acknowledge what i have said. and no matter how close of a friend you are to someone that dose not give you the right to chose what decision they will come to or decide whether something will change their mind. if nori himself says that he is not changing his stance of it, then fine, but he is the only one who gets to make that choice. the way you two are acting sounds less like a close friend of nori and more like someone trying to force him to make this division and shun anyone who tries to make any point against that choice. im not saying that he should continue to drop and delete his work, im trying to make a compromise that can be benefaction to both sides. in the end of the day commissions help him, they allow him to be paid for doing what he enjoys and i dont want people to buy less commissions out of fear of this no anonymous policy.

Lovemet123

3 years, 9 months ago

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OK, so I'm gonna break this down for you because, for whatever reason, the fact that you can not hear yourself or see what you are typing in this conversation is bothering me.

1. No one told him to do this. He is choosing to do it because of his experience with the customers he has had. What those customers are doing is disrespectful because they are essentially throwing him under the bus and he gets into trouble while they enjoy their porn scott-free.
2. He has acknowledged what you are putting on the table. He had for a while for the customers that feared judgement of the outside world and he is saying he is done doing that for people that can't take the heat.

It shouldn't be wrong if that is how he wants to run his business. He is just saying that you want to commission that kind of stuff from you, you should own up to it, or you shouldn't commission the idea in the first place. I think a lot of people should go about it this way because artists shouldn't have to stretch out their necks across the guillotine line so that the others can watch safely from the sidelines. If you have to worry about what others are thinking, then you shouldn't get the commission. It's a very simple concept to understand, but for whatever reason, people don't understand why it isn't OK to watch the artist get into trouble while they get of scott free for a pitcure they paid for to jack off to.

TrueMind

3 years, 9 months ago

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@ Lovemet123

your a bit late to the discussion friend and also missed the fact that i said to him that i accept his choices after he did respond to it.

darkking23

3 years, 9 months ago

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Wouldn't a sensible compromise be something like a commission where it's just not uploaded and emailed to the commissioner(s)?
I mean, it's the artist who chooses at the end of the day, so trying to suggest any compromise is a bit arbitrary, but suggesting the allowance of anonymity is more telling him that he shouldn't base his choices of how to handle his comms based on what he's been experiencing than a middle ground.

RollerCoasterViper59

3 years, 9 months ago

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This

Norithics

3 years, 9 months ago

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NO.
Zero compromise. You want my shit, you own up to it. No exceptions.

TrueMind

3 years, 9 months ago

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fine, i accept your choices, even if i dont personally agree with it.

SatyrWorkshop

3 years, 9 months ago

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Hell yes. It's your art, your t.o.s.

Firerush

3 years, 9 months ago

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I applaud you, Nori, not my thing but you do you

TheBushyTailHugger

3 years, 9 months ago

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Not enough respect is given to artists like you. Glad to see you and others stand your ground.

Gaoru

3 years, 9 months ago

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AMEN. THANK YOU

wallarooblacke

3 years, 9 months ago

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People have to own up to what they do when they commission
that kind of content, not to make the artists who draw that the
scapegoats for creating it.

But I might be preaching to the choir.

And I like Sunni and that tanuki girl with the big bazooms.

KNIFE

3 years, 9 months ago

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Jesus just when you think you've heard it all!

Drakarusbonehelm

3 years, 9 months ago

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Well said and well deserved.

At one point you openly told people not to respect you as a role model, yet you continue to earn that respect on a regular basis.

DarkBlue666

3 years, 9 months ago

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I'm not gonna argue against your stance, because this is how I feel it should be. :)

ZwolfJareAlt306

3 years, 9 months ago

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*applauds*

ShanetheFreestyler

3 years, 9 months ago

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Ugh, the people out there... I don't think I could say anything that anyone here already know.

All I got are applause where needed. 👏👏👏

Robbii

3 years, 9 months ago

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I'd suggest serving them a fee for it. It will take time out of your schedule doing other people's commissions, going to art piece to art piece on several sites just to change something that was already said and done which I think is their problem for attaching their handle so loosely. It will either scare them off or they'll pay you for it. You win either way!

TheLunatic25

3 years, 9 months ago

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That doesn't solve the problem that Nori's solution does: He's tired of being the one left all alone in the stockades, taking ALL of the blame for other people's kinks, who are then going around touting anti loli/shota/whatever rhetoric.

Robbii

3 years, 9 months ago

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I didn't see that. It's pretty weird to go after fictional characters and those who create them for an income. I don't see an excuse to do that toward anyone at all other than being a complete ass.

TheLunatic25

3 years, 9 months ago

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what do you mean you didn't see that? He explicitly stated that in the journal.

Edit: I think I see what you're saying now, that first line really threw me off.

Yeah, he's just tired of it.

Robbii

3 years, 9 months ago

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No, they haven't. From what I read on it, they're stating they're not coving people's tracks anymore and tired of being two-faced. I don't see it anywhere saying they're taking the blame for anything and if they are being blamed then that is wrong. I can't pick up people's thoughts like that from a journal entry when it was talking about something else. Maybe you're more informed about the subject but that doesn't mean every single person knows what's going on.

TheLunatic25

3 years, 9 months ago

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Ok, he states at the start he’s tired of hiding things for other folks, because he doesn’t want to be the lone weirdo. He then later in the journal talks about people going around, pretending like they’re something they’re not.

This is from the journal itself, sir.

Robbii

3 years, 9 months ago

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Ok, that's the same thing I said and at this point I feel like I'm being gaslighted. Take care

TheLunatic25

3 years, 9 months ago

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Uhhh, all I can say is that no, I'm not trying to gaslight. But have a good one.

LoZeed

3 years, 9 months ago

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Take that cowardly commissioners, if they really want it that badly then don't hide from it.

Sasparillafizz

3 years, 9 months ago

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I'm of a mixed opinion, I totally agree retroactively trying to erase the link between commissioner and commission is bull. If you gave the artist the ok to post it, don't get pissy when it suddenly gains attention you didn't want. But I'd disagree on the no anon commissions and such, just because they enjoy it doesn't mean they want it in the spotlight. Same with folk who like diaper stuff, scat, vore, etc.

Not saying you should change your mind on anonymous commissions, you do you. But I'd argue it to be allowed provided terms are set in advance. After the art is done, sorry, you gave permission for it to go in the gallery so to the front page it goes, no take backs. But I can at least understand where they are coming from about not wanting their name directly associated with the art itself. "I specifically paid for a piece of controversial art to be made" is a reasonable difference than just associating or liking an artist who does controversial art; in terms of scrutiny and judgement by the public at large.

Ultimately your choice though. I can see why you'd be fed up with it.

YukiAkuma

3 years, 9 months ago

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@ Sasparillafizz

Own your kinks. Don't anonymously buy "controversial" art and then go around saying how much you hate cub art.

That's what Nori dislikes. And he doesn't care about the edge cases any more.

Kupok

3 years, 9 months ago

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I have nothing to contribute, but I enjoyed reading this journal.

Frynge

3 years, 9 months ago

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@ Kupok

same, hon. I'm just here to show some support. :)

Anonymous070

3 years, 9 months ago

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If I were to commission anyone for any kind of art, even loli, shota, or cub art, I'm taking full responsibility for what I commission. I agree not owning up to that is a stupid move. Artists like you deserve respect and shouldn't have to suffer from such unacceptable actions caused by irresponsible individuals.

NeoPatamonX

3 years, 9 months ago

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That's so odd... Of all places too on a site that's clearly a place for it. Like... I get how you must feel, watching your hard work go unappreciated as some form of taboo.

Stay strong, and maybe include it in your commission TOS to keep it from happening in the future.

QueenSaryala

3 years, 9 months ago

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I would absolutely love to try commissioning you some time. and I have no problem having my credit on the picture. I recently drew my sona, Raymond, as a big dicked Shota. so I'd love to see you draw him if I could commission you for it.

I totally agree, I get that some commissioners want to remain annonymous, But if there's so many who commission something, and then requests to be later hidden, and or delete the post, it's just really scummy.

so yes, I'd totally own up to it. I'd love to see you draw my sona as a playful shota. :D

sedkitty

3 years, 9 months ago

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You definitely have my approval on this decision, for what it's worth. Fuck hypocrisy.

SassyAfterDark

3 years, 9 months ago

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Hell yeah.

MaverickSkye

3 years, 9 months ago

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Freaking YES. DO you dude and do not fall into that craven nonsense. I'm glad you're standing up against it. Fuck those people ALL the way for trying that. On principle, I would not do it either.

EtherSaga

3 years, 9 months ago

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I've had this happen a few times myself. I agree with you. Hear hear.

XxSkyxX

3 years, 9 months ago

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Couldn't have said it better myself.

SatyrWorkshop

3 years, 9 months ago

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Good for you Nori. I love seeing artists stand up for themselves. Full support

Arkanos

3 years, 9 months ago

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Drop them names.

Delquea

3 years, 9 months ago

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Finally, someone said it.

onipuck

3 years, 9 months ago

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I approve.
It honestly is giving me flashbacks to how things were in McCarthy times, at least from what I've read about it, public denouncing, finger pointing, grandstanding, witch hunts. Just a whole lot of backstabbing and general douchebaggery.

Yury

3 years, 9 months ago

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Much said about this so I just Wanne say that it happen to me as a buyer of art as well
Artist don’t want there sex pics kinks or anything any more out their even if I payed for the pic they try to shame till you delet the pic .
So there are such people on both side of the table and it sucks :/

PlanetWhorbius

3 years, 9 months ago

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plaster my name all over any comms i get from you

lerwin

3 years, 9 months ago

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Seems fair.

DegenerateKing

3 years, 9 months ago

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They should appriciate to be able to afford and have the time from you to make these commissions. If they can't own up to it they are cowards. Dickless cowards who can't even coop with there own weakness. Besides its only fiction, if i could get a comm from ya i'd be a happy boy.

Sadly i am broke boy.

Slaan6

3 years, 9 months ago

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Wow, it's unfortunate that you had to deal with people like that. What a bunch of cowards and hypocrites

Kadm

3 years, 9 months ago

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While I think it's admirable to have and stand on principles, just note that we're not changing any of our policies based on fickle social trends. The Acceptable Content Policy is written in such a way that it's generally advisable that you seek out amicable solutions rather than be confrontational.

Ownership
The work you upload must be created by you, or for you. If you did not create the artwork and it was created for you then you must indicate in the Description who created it. You must be the copyright owner of the artwork and all the characters they contain, or you must have permission from the copyright owners to post their art or characters.

Generally, permission is considered a revocable thing, unless you have an explicit contract otherwise. That means that if they choose to go past asking you, and ask us, we would have no choice but to remove the submission.

Norithics

3 years, 9 months ago

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I physically could not care less if a mod wants to remove someone's picture; it would in fact be way less annoying than me having to do it. This is not "I'm committed to your pictures staying up;" it's "don't bother commissioning me if you're gonna pull this shit, I will blacklist you and tell all your anti friends you're the pervert you pretend not to be."

Kadm

3 years, 9 months ago

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