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apparently the maximum is now 6 months in prison for knowingly transmitting it...

thats.. not ok with me man.

If you give sombody something thats going to huant them for the rest of there life... so you also be punished, for the rest of your life.

If other deadly pathogens are NOT treated as severly it's time to make them treated as severly.

again im not advocateing for criminilizeing people with HIV or AIDS. Im only advocateing for fare punishment to anybody who KNOWINGLY transmits it without telling others... or who is going to donate blood.

I dont want to have to get tested for a deadly illness, just becouse i was in an acident and get a blood transfusion >.>

Kadm

6 years, 6 months ago

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You're certainly free to think the punishment for intentionally infecting someone with a disease is too low, but if you read the articles, there is a specific reason that California is going this route. There is a strategy to combating the spread of HIV, and it involves helping get people treatment, rather than forcing them to hide. This is a step in that direction.

KevinSnowpaw

6 years, 6 months ago

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you can offer people treatment without decriminilizeing it. Forgive me for feeling a little less then enthusiastic about the idea that you can fuck me, give me HIV and oh it's ALL OK becouse we can all just go get treatment for it?

like.. how please I mean it please, HoW is this a step in the right direction?

what if you donate infected blood and somebody gets it, now they have HIV and dont even KNOW about it and probobly WONT know untill it turns into AIDS....

how is this helping?

If they had a CURE and it was redaly available and cheap then sure, now HIV is like the seasonal flu you go get a shot or whatever and your good in a week, or your immunized so you never get it ect. SUre at that point decriminilize it but.. how can you tell me, that this is some how a possative thing?

If i had a child and that child got HIV from infected blood am i suposed to tell her, it's ok sweety, will just give you this Fistfull of pills for the rest of your life?

If I get laid and it turns out my partner is some bug junkie who's fetish is spreading this shit around (they exist) Am I now suposed to REPRESS the murderous impulse I would feel to decapitate this individual in gory Highlander style? because that would be REAL satisfying.

OH no dont worry guys it's ok! were working on getting people treated for death! lets stigmatize it!

I realize that last example is rather hyperbolic... but I just cant wrap my mind around this.. I cant see this as posative.. it encurages people to not worry about who they pass there infection on to...and it's doing it in the name of social progress....

I say FUCK this noise! we allready have a cure for HIV AND aids! it's called Be mindfull of the fact that you have it! Dont pass it on to anybody else! Period!

END OF LINE!!!

why should everybody ELSE now have to worry about contracting it... it seems to me like there more concerned with makeing people with it feel better about haveing it, then stoping it from spreading....

I get what your saying I hate to keep going in circles here but im traped in a bit of a feed back loop at the moment I just cant see the value in this move I cant see how it's suposed to help anybody. you can make treatment available without lowering the penulty to intentionly passing on a pathogene that kills people to a wrist slap!

I can get more prison time for trying to bash your skull in, YEARS more, then for infecting you with a life altering strain of virus....INTENTIONALY!

Kadm

6 years, 6 months ago

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The entire scenario is over the top. I'm sure that blood banks will test samples as a precaution. I would bet (but do not know) that they already do screen donations.

Today, this very day, if I had to choose between HIV and diabetes, I would choose HIV. Because at this point, HIV is entirely manageable with pretty much zero effort, and we're making much greater strides on a cure for HIV than we are on a permanent treatment for diabetes.

KevinSnowpaw

6 years, 6 months ago

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and i would respect your choice! You cant just get HIV from a sneeze or a touch XD im not ignorent about it, I dont fear people WITH it but i do fear the fact that in california at least, people with it no longer have to TELL me they HAVE it before we engage in an activity that could ruin my life...

OH wait they forgot there pills! or Oh wait im the lucky 1% and now I got it.. well shit man.. I guess if you press charges i'll have to face half a year in prison.. no.. no no no no no thats not ok DX you knowingly made my life, permanently worse!

im ALL for doing things to destigmatize it, and im all for treating it and working more and more on a cure but this legislation has come to SOON they need to HAVE the cure before they decriminilize!

nobody should have to suffer diabetes but HIV is preventable, entirely, you can you know.. not stick your dick in people and then not tell them!

theres no incentive to even notify sombody you potentialy just infected... any chance at early treatment goes right out the window, when they have freaking AIDS and you still have HIV then I think there perfectly justified in wanting your ass mounted and stuffed.

Kadm

6 years, 6 months ago

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I mean, no consequences except six months in prison. I think you underestimate how large an impact on a person's life that is.

KevinSnowpaw

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hmm six months in prison...

the rest of my life on pills....pills i have to pay for or the tax payers have to pay for...

Yeah.. what was I thinking XD thats totally a fair and just punishment.

MarcusKoopa

6 years, 6 months ago

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Sweetie... Do you know ANYTHING About how viruses work? At all? Does evolution elude you? Crash course. All life needs to multiply to survive. A virus is essentially the simplest parasite to exist. In order to multiply it needs a host and it needs to spread to new hosts. The drugs STOP the spread. This sounds great... until you realize that mother nature, cruel and heartless bitch that she is, built a failsafe into the design. Viruses, particularly those in the family HIV occupies, mutate. RAPIDLY. All it takes is one virus body to bypass the drug and suddenly your sweet, manageable disease is a roaring screaming angel of death nuking your immune system into bloody ruin and leaping from body to body with every drop of blood and semen.

MarcusKoopa

6 years, 6 months ago

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This is why you need a new flu shot every year and it's STILL a crapshoot as to whether or not it works. This is why you can't have an HIV vaccine, because the virus is already too unstable to properly isolate a single strain for inoculation. Thinking "Oh gee, this CAN'T hurt me now that I have pills!" is playing Russian roulette and pulling the trigger 7 times.

Kadm

6 years, 6 months ago

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Do you understand how the fight against HIV is progressing? Do you keep yourself informed on how they're targeting HIV with various methods? Are you aware of how the current battery of treatment works? Don't patronize me if you aren't familiar with the subject. There are fundamental things that are common to all strains and known mutations of HIV at this stage. Things that are fundamentally HIV, and we're starting to see technology that allows us to target those things, even in copies of the virus dormant inside cells.

MarcusKoopa

6 years, 6 months ago

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And we're fighting a battle against something that evolves so quickly you can WATCH it do it. You're arguing that our hubris will save us from nature, where I'm siding with nature. Let us say that the odds of the disease beating the treatments is equal to winning the lottery. Yes, that's pretty long odds.. however, each time the virus multiplies it's buying several MILLION tickets. The ONLY thing that keeps it from utterly crushing our efforts is that it's a blind firing into the chemical dark. There's nothing directing the efforts of the virus's alterations of the copy process so a lot of the tickets will be the same. But some wont. And by the time you know you have a problem there are millions of viruses making billions of copies and flooding out such an insane degree of random chance that, sooner or later, it's GOING to win. It WILL WIN. Unless you can drive the disease to extinction, you don't HAVE a win state.

Kadm

6 years, 6 months ago

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This is ridiculous hyperbole that ignores the actual science involved in the drive towards an HIV cure. We literally have treatments that can completely suppress HIV. There's zero question on the efficacy. You can be alarmist all you like, but this isn't 1980.

MarcusKoopa

6 years, 6 months ago

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And penicillin used to be a miracle cure that could wipe out any bacterial disease.

MarcusKoopa

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Also.. lemme just drop this comforting little thing right here.. The disease? It's ALREADY adapting.
http://time.com/4865443/drug-resistant-hiv-world-healt...
Oh sure, it's just 10% now. It may not be in your country yet. And maybe our new drugs are still too new for it to resist.. but it will find a way. Life ALWAYS does. Because it brute forces problems open. It has no other choice. To YOU it's just "how can I not get sick?" To the virus, it's a constant battle for existence and the sheer fact that it LIVES long enough to reproduce is already a victory.

Kadm

6 years, 6 months ago

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Yea, that list of countries...I feel like...something about them....probably access to reasonable care and stability.

MarcusKoopa

6 years, 6 months ago

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So? Borders aren't a THING anymore. I can go to any of those countries tomorrow. So can anyone else. Planes have made everyone your neighbor.

LittleOrion

6 years, 6 months ago

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If someone knowingly gave me HIV I wouldn't give a fuck how manageable kadm thinks it is or how many cures are known to work, I would get a rock, a head shaped rock and smash the fuckers brain in and then kill their family. Nobody should knowingly transmit any potentially life altering disease to anybody for any fucking reason. It's not even the fact that it might probably be curable or it could potentially be wiped out as an issue, the malice and intent behind purposefully transmitting it to another person makes you worthy of being beaten to death and thrown in prison, in my opinion.

Kadm

6 years, 6 months ago

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@ LittleOrion

It's....still illegal.

LittleOrion

6 years, 6 months ago

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I never commented on it's legality. I commented on the action.

IBp

6 years, 6 months ago

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And now this fucker is arguing that people who use their HIV as a personal biological weapon deserve a lighter punishment.
Jesus Christ Kadm continues to be pathetic.

KevinSnowpaw

6 years, 6 months ago

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@ IBp

come on dude thats not fair hes not actually arguing that. he only argued that the reason behind the law was to bring it in line with comperable illnesses. I stated that thats not why im upset im upset that the sentence got reduced he merely argued that the law was bringing down the sentence on what was veiwed as an exception to the rule for HUV in that reguard he is correct he is at no point advocateing for people who used HIV as a weapon to get off with a lighter sentence just explaining the reasoning behind the law.. I Disagree with him i think they should be lit on fucking fire for that but hes not really in the wrong here we just have a differance in polatics.

Kadm

6 years, 6 months ago

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@ IBp

I don't expect you to be able to think critically about the situation beyond your initial emotional response, so I'll try and help you.

The punishment for infecting someone with HIV is now the same as if you were to infect them with polio, or another biological agent. Removing the law specifically about HIV will help de-stigmatize the disease, and lead to more people being tested. This in turns leads to better control of the infection, and a lower chance of it spreading.

KevinSnowpaw

6 years, 6 months ago

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lets not be to alarmist about it. I agree it's a threat and we should minter it but kadm DOEs have a point as well, we are makeing fantastic strides. we CAN supress it allmost completly I think a cure is right around the corner. im not mad about treatment im mad about destigmatizeing it for peoples feelings.. at least, in my perception.

Stratus

6 years, 6 months ago

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Blood banks are extreamly cautious..
Can vouch for them seeing as how I lived in the UK 22 years ago, during a mad cow epidemic. I still can't give blood.

KevinSnowpaw

6 years, 6 months ago

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@ Stratus

that does make me feel better as the blood donations were the most upsetting thing to me. concenting adults should be responsable for there own actions. but you should still tell your partner, your a fucking dick head if you dont.

DarkBlueAnt

6 years, 6 months ago

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Yeah California's government are just retarded.. It's why my parents and I are moving soon!

nakiekitsunepuppy

6 years, 6 months ago

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@ DarkBlueAnt

I have been wanting to get out of California for a long time. California lost its mind DECADES ago, and has been getting slowly worse.

eeveefan

6 years, 6 months ago

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wait what? you no longer need to tell the bloodbank if your hiv positive? do they realize how many people that can get sick and perhaps even kill by not knowing that info?
not to mention if that many people get sick, how much medication theyd need to crank out just for that?
maybe their doing it to purposfully get people sick to buy the medicine for treatment?
idk whats going on but this sounds ridiculous to me.
dont they have a cure for hiv?

KevinSnowpaw

6 years, 6 months ago

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@ eeveefan

they have drugs that can CONTROL IT and suposidly reduce the risk of tranmission to nearly 0

but nearly 0 is still not 0 and i know precious LITTLE about these treatments or there availability at this time.

note i linked several sources most of wich i would consider to be fairly credible but take it with a grain of salt untill we know more.

eeveefan

6 years, 6 months ago

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i thought they had a cure for it? i asked my doctor about hiv before and she said they have a treatment for it and i remember commercials saying they had a pill that could cure it completely.
idk to much about it but ill definitely ask my doctor again when i go.

Kadm

6 years, 6 months ago

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HIV treatment can at this stage effectively completely stave it off to the point where you're not symptomatic at all. Treatment is not free, but it is effective, and available.

There are a number of 'cures' in the pipeline with the FDA, but none on the market yet.

Edit: Also treatment is in pill form. I believe a daily dosage.

KevinSnowpaw

6 years, 6 months ago

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i still dont see this as ok man I just dont...Im going to research this farther... if I find out big pharma lobbyed for this...

Im going to lose my god damned mind! XD

Kadm

6 years, 6 months ago

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'Big pharma' as a boogeyman~ I have a reasonable level of education on HIV, because as a sexually active gay person, it's always a worry. HIV is just another disease. There are other STD/STI's that stay with you a lifetime. Singling it out and assigning a harsher punishment is silly.

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And I can absolutely AGREE with that!

they should ALL have a much harsher penalty >.> if you KNOWINGLY transmit it.

as for big pharma as a boogy man.,. they PROFIT off this, so really do they HAVE an incentive to cure it?

even if they did, they still profit off it, so if they LOBBYED to decriminilize the transmission of an ILLNESS..then yeah there kinda being a boodyman... I dont KNOW if they are I have to research that but lets see how dirty this gets.

MickJagger

6 years, 6 months ago

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Not to take away from the topic, but you're cute when you're angry.

I'm Mick Jagger, and I approve this message!

KevinSnowpaw

6 years, 6 months ago

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@ MickJagger

god damn it Mick! Even you cant cure Aids!

Your rock is pure but only the tears of Chuck Norris can save us now!!

MickJagger

6 years, 6 months ago

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Never underestimate the healing power of good Rock, Kevin.

Never forget.

ThaPig

6 years, 6 months ago

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I'm with you on this one. Intentionally infecting someone with a potentially deadly disease is a horrible thing to do. Just because there is treatment doesn't change anything. It's like saying it's okay to kick someone in the mouth because there are ways to fix broken teeth.

Alondite

6 years, 6 months ago

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It can be suppressed to undetectable levels as long as you're on a drug, but it will remain a part of you forever... and if you ever stop taking the drug, it starts to regain strength until it is full blown again.

Apparently they said: the old law was "Homophobic and discriminatory". You don't want to have sex with a person, just because they have HIV? Bigot! Are you AIDSphobic?

Seriously. I don't know. This all disgusts me greatly. Either California is gone completely retarded, or this is some Pharmacy-Lobby conspiracy to sell more drugs. Agh! It makes my head shudder...

KevinSnowpaw

6 years, 6 months ago

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@ Alondite

YES! YES I AM!!! I am SUPER AIDS PHOBIC!!!

if you tell me you have HIV or AIDS and I wanna fuck you anyway thats on ME! I made that choice, if I get it dispite all procutions that is still on ME

if you dont tell me, and I get it, and I find out you gave it to me, we are WORSE then over!

Keeran

6 years, 6 months ago

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If there's a law that's out there that punishes you for intentionally giving someone STDs i would find a law specifically stating HIV would be redundant.

Still, it is important and I think imperative that you should be punished for a year at the very least and fined a large sum to pay for the person's treatment, especially if they test positive for whichever STD they have.

KevinSnowpaw

6 years, 6 months ago

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@ Keeran

i am glad that exists but this law spesifys HIV transmission is punishable with a MAXIMUM of 6 months... so it would superseed anything else on the subject at least in california...

Im just MIND BLOWN like i cant fathum why this bill exists let alone why it got sighed.

Kupok

6 years, 6 months ago

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The reason for this is Burden of Proof.
Here's what has not been publicized: The rate at which a person who is angry, spiteful, or otherwise not all that great of a person has convinced a positive person that they are aware of the condition, that they don't care, that they know the partner keeps the viral load down, that he's on PReP etc etc etc, They romp, sometimes they have a relationship for years..

Then the dude up and tells the court "Holy butts, I didn't know this guy had AIDS! Arrest him!"
Thing is, The burden of proof is on the accuser, but in this case, There's usually no way to prove for or agaisnt a case!

And in a Jury Trial, Jury selection becomes a chore and even of those who make it past selection is eager to find "One of them fags" guilty of a crime.

This is a known problem, and unfortunately, in the case of a felony, It will always be a jury trial. Do you know how many of the accused has successfully defended themselves from this charge? Less then 10%

Do you believe 90% of people accused of a crime are guilty of the crime?

By making this a Misdemeanor, The accused has the choice of letting the judge make the call, Who usually do not have a "Hope that fag fries" bias, who will listen to the presented evidence of the accuser and make an educated call.

Those found guilty are still placed on a sex offender's registry. The person's life is still ruined (And if guilty of the crime, rightly so in this case)

....Now, with that extra information, you may still find it absurd for CA to make this call. And that's okay if you do. You make that judgement armed with more information then you had before.

KevinSnowpaw

6 years, 6 months ago

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@ Kupok

I have to say due to the wording of the bill I still find it redicules...

it decriminilizes. spasificly, KNOWINGLY TRAMITTING IT

so if you say fuck me for years and we break up and you have the super aids!!! and i want to be a spitefull cunt and try to get you tossed into prison.. unless I have allowed myself to be infected dispite all procuations, and lets be honest, if I know you have it Im not letting you fuck me with out 50 layers of portection if we fuck at all, it's SUPER insanly unlikely I will get HIV or AIDS.

So in this sinario. you have not broken the law, even if I claim that I diddent know, you diddetn give it to me, THAT can be a missdemeaner if I can prove you failed to tell me. worst case sinario you do a little time for a lie, it's not pretty but it's better then the alternative.

now you actualy CAN fuck me with intent to infect me... and the worst you can get if i can prove it is six mounths...and apparently your name on a list, I find horrible start with. I dont belive the offender registry should exist. I belive the punishment should fit the crime and when your done paying for that crime you should be allowed to pick up were you left off. if you repeat offend well enjoy spending most of if not all of the rest of your life in prison.

I dont want to see innocent people criminilized for a lowers spat but theres plunty of risks involved with haveing HIV or AIDS and decideing to have sexual contact with another human being, or god forbid, donateing blood.

it's harsh but why should I be mandated to shoulder that burden by the government, absolving you of your responsibility to inform me you have a potentialy deadly issless, that I am about to play Russian roulette with.

I would rather play REAL Russian Rulette at least that way i'll win a fuck ton of money or be dead. I wont have to live the rest of my life with an illness you should have told me about.

I just dont think it's unreasonable to demand you inform me and allow me to make the choice. Get it in fucking writeing if you have to.

Kupok

6 years, 6 months ago

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No that's not unreasonable, haha!
The funky thing is, knowing all the reasons most people don't, I agree with you.

ScottySkunk

6 years, 6 months ago

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this is facking stupid (they A in facking is on purpose)

KevinSnowpaw

6 years, 6 months ago

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@ ScottySkunk

afraid i dont get it but maybe im just a bit to upset XD

ScottySkunk

6 years, 6 months ago

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i like to use Facking in place of Fucking when things are stupid lol.

Also im pretty sure all blood banks test the blood before it can be used. that said....
they should still tell someone before trading them an std. Any Std

KevinSnowpaw

6 years, 6 months ago

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@ ScottySkunk

it's a WASTE of resources and time. if you give an infectblood sample. your giveing a useless blood sample.

If i ever found out a hospital gave me infected blood knowingly i would sue them into the fucking MANTEL!!!

I would OWN that hospital.

ScottySkunk

6 years, 6 months ago

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its still stupid. now if they had an instant cure, i could see them being relaxed about it. but they dont. so this is just stupid of them.

Lorestel

6 years, 6 months ago

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Yet another reason never to go live in California.. o.o;

Eri

6 years, 6 months ago

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Is this...for real? I mean, for really really real? because it is, is really scary.

o.o

KevinSnowpaw

6 years, 6 months ago

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@ Eri

thats why i posted the journal I WANT sombody to prove to me this is all just bullshit and I have TERRIBLE information!

I invite you to look into it yourself...becouse i really dont like what I see.

DrgnHybrid

6 years, 6 months ago

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This is insane. What type of people approved of it? If it ever happens here in Texas I'd be leaving this state that I actually do love. Thankfully I don't ever forsee that happening. We still have the death penalty after all.

KevinSnowpaw

6 years, 6 months ago

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@ DrgnHybrid

the govenor of California Signed and approved the bill and two other fuckwittss drafted it...

you see APPARENTLY the LOGIC here is by Destigmatizeing it, it will STOP the infections.. becouse everybody will go get tested...

I really HOPE thats the case i really HOPE it works...becouse your putting people at risk becouse "theres a stigma."

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Look on the bright side... we're taking the first step towards disease rights! Soon they'll be using homeless people to ranch strains of rare and incurable diseases because they have a right to exist. Eventually everyone will be assigned their own personal disease at birth that they'll get to keep their entire lives! Hopefully you get lucky and just get something like Herpes that's annoying but harmless. No one wants to hang out with the bubonic plague kids. We've already taken great strides with the anti-vaxer movement. We're getting measles and polio back! Woot! Spider kids and kids in cans! (Because this is the internet I will now state that everything before this point was sarcasm.)

KevinSnowpaw

6 years, 6 months ago

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i dont think THAT will become a reality XD lets try not to be TO hyperbolic =p

then again... give it 30 years and I might owe you a drink.

stormlust

6 years, 6 months ago

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I though hiv and aids where the same thing. now I did not read it all, but I do know there is a drug called prep which is supposed to prevent those diseases from taking hold in ur system

caramelthecalf

6 years, 6 months ago

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AIDS is so deadly. DX

Keep it illegal to spread, and throw a mountain of money into curing it asap.

KevinSnowpaw

6 years, 6 months ago

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@ caramelthecalf

i agree comppletly especialy on the cure

MarcusKoopa

6 years, 6 months ago

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Well that's the thing, it's not a disease you CAN cure. You can't make a vaccine. You can't really treat it. You can SUPPRESS it, but the virus is still there. It's still in you. Once you slip up on your treatment, it comes back. Once it mutates enough to ignore the drugs, it's back AND you can't stop it. Prevention is the only thing we have.. and we're killing it. It would have been far kinder to the world to have done mandatory blood testing in the early days of the disease, found everyone infected, and quarantined them on a very nice plague island.

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I thought it was insane, too, until I did some research into it.

The reason why the crime was downgraded was because of how it was being used and who it was being used against. There have been a few cases where someone intentionally spreads HIV to other people - those cases are the ones this law was intended to prosecute - but the people largely targeted by this law went untested and accidentally spread HIV, or were/are afraid to get tested out of fear of persecution, which was and is happening. This is extremely prevalent within the LGBT community, where even if you don't have an STD, certain authoritarians like to scapegoat and throw the book at you with this as the guise.

The punishment has not been entirely rescinded - everyone can agree intentionally spreading HIV is a pretty heinous crime - but the idea is this should help reduce the stigma and persecution surrounding it.

KevinSnowpaw

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@ MaximilianUltimata

i dont want to see people have this used as a weapon against them.. but were still talking about Decriminilizeing the act of KNOWINGLY not telling people...

If you do this....

for anything reason... when you KNEW you had it...

fuck you, die a slow and painful death.

that and my research is starting to show that the Gov of california, BIG FUCKING SHOCK is in the pocket of the pharmaceutical company that produces the drug to repress HIV and to BLOCK HIV in HIV negative people...

If I can CONFIRM this, beyond just what im reading so far... then this fucker did it for the pay out.

I cant PROVE it yet im not super good at digging up politicians backing super fast but im scowering the net. so far i've found a few referances in a couple places but I dont completely trust the source.

MarcusKoopa

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I really don't think people grasp the power of a virus. It's not something you can really kill because it's not really ALIVE. It's essentially a parasitic cell component, like a tiny free floating organ. When it is outside of a host cell, it is, by all terms we have, dead. It cannot really be affected in any way. Once it finds a "lucky" cell it bonds its chemicals to the chemicals in the outer wall and squirts its DNA inside. The new DNA overwrites the host DNA and causes the cell to commit suicide by turning every single ounce of energy it has into producing new virus bodies and then violently explode to scatter them out like shrapnel.
If this happened a few times, no one would care, but each new virus body is fully capable of hijacking another cell. And there are now millions. And then billions. Sure, they're all floating around as debris but a virus is essentially the only organism that exists entirely on dumb luck and WINS.
Do you know how hard viruses win? They win so damned hard they kill the majority of the planet's bacteria. DAILY. And they do this because of how the reproduce. You, being a mammal or equivalent get one chance every 20 years to alter your species DNA.
This, biologically speaking, is HORRIFYINGLY slow. It's so slow, in fact, that many people argue it doesn't even happen. This is why we have people denying evolution.
The virus, on the other hand, has no real timer for its generations other than how hard it can push a cell before it explodes. Bacteria can reproduce every few minutes, and the viruses still murderfuck them to death. Even if it only had one chance per generation to mutate, this would be enough. But it doesn't. It has MILLIONS. Per virus. Because each of the new copies can have a "defect". If these are debilitating, the virus copy just doesn't reproduce and no one cares. If it's beneficial it breeds more than the parent and becomes the new strain. This is why we have new flu every year.
But guess what, kids? We're not done! Nature gave the virus OTHER gifts! Some viruses, the retroviruses, encode themselves directly into the genetic information of a host instead of just over-writing it. What does this mean? Well it means they don't have to kill you. They simply become PART of you. They are one with you now. And they can come back. They can come back whenever they want. This is how herpes operates. This is why it NEVER goes away. It's believed that 8% of your DNA, right now, is old viruses that just decided "hey, I'm not killing this guy".
Did you think that was the end? Oh no. They have ANOTHER fun trick too! As they develop, they can hijack bits of "alien" DNA from the host they use to reproduce through replication error. This is called horizontal gene transfer. And because any bodies that aren't at least as healthy as the parent DIE, the ones who get good DNA from the host get to live and make better viruses.
In short... you get one shot. You have ONE CHANCE to stop the virus. You have to make a vaccine and spread it as fast as you can to render the host population immune before it can change itself. In slow mutating viruses, like polio and small pox, this was pretty easy. In FAST mutating viruses, like the flu, this is essentially a wasted effort. Your flu shot is just the most popular version of the flu from LAST YEAR being injected into you in the hopes that it's still the most popular flu this year. If not, you still get the flu.

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6 years, 6 months ago

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Oh.. btw Bun.. get that ass in the air! wait wut >.> Annyway:)... If it's any comfort at all.. every donation of blood is automatically screened for certain diseases like HIV and Hep and such. People don't need to say a thing since any bad blood will be rejected automatically. oh and ya know.. when you are writing a post.. if it's underlined in red.. right click it and fix the spelling.. it's idjitproof>:) *teases*

KevinSnowpaw

6 years, 6 months ago

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@ bastionlareth

sorry i was just so pissed XD

DarkMacroMaster

6 years, 6 months ago

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I wouldn't doubt if this was spurred on by a bunch of people suing after-the-fact for contracting HIV when they didn't know their partner had it, and multiple cases of the defendant stating that the person knew about it and is lying about not knowing.

LukaBun

6 years, 6 months ago

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alrighty, another reason not to go to California. Cause that shit needs to be a felony. Even though medical advances created a Pre-exposure prophylaxis for HIV, there's still no excuse. Something like this shouldn't even exist until HIV is extinct. Not less likely to be transmitted, extinct. Dead, like polio.

(BTW im actually thinking of getting PrEP cause i think it does help protect. But this is still probably dumber than 'featureless rifles')

MarcusKoopa

6 years, 6 months ago

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@ LukaBun

Oh polio's still alive. And it's making a comeback thanks to anti-vaxers! Think about investing in iron lung companies.

ManaAraxis

6 years, 6 months ago

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California has some illogical, fucked up laws. This one takes the cake. @.@

moyomongoose

6 years, 6 months ago

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@ ManaAraxis

Small wonder where it got the name "the land of fruits n nuts".

CharlesDragon

6 years, 6 months ago

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Oh yea don't forget there Speed Limments. 55 in California while rest of the USA have 60, 65, 70 and 80 on theres.

Foxrich

6 years, 6 months ago

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Liberalism is a mental dissorder

MarcusKoopa

6 years, 6 months ago

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@ Foxrich

No, no. REGRESSIVE LEFTISM is a mental disorder. Liberalism, in the classic sense, is just "hi there, government. Please leave me the hell alone. Thank you."

Stratus

6 years, 6 months ago

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@ Foxrich

Liberalism is fine. Dont succumb to the us vs them mentality.
This isn't liberalism. A liberal stands for everyone's rights. This clearly violates the potential partners of the hiv positive people's rights. This is regressive leftism. In the same way you can be consecutive without being a nazi.

moyomongoose

6 years, 6 months ago

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So it boils down to this...If you wanna infect someone with HIV, Californee is the place ta go.

KevinSnowpaw

6 years, 6 months ago

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@ moyomongoose

it's still illegal to do so... but it's no longer a Felony to do so =p

moyomongoose

6 years, 6 months ago

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It needs to still be a felony. Knowingly infecting someone with HIV is murder. And murder is a felony.

KevinSnowpaw

6 years, 6 months ago

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@ moyomongoose

well without medication it's murder...the argument here is with medication you no longer symtomatic but your still dependent on pills for the rest of your life you have to pay for... sooo in my book still just as bad.

moyomongoose

6 years, 6 months ago

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