soooo Now it's no longer a felony offence to knowingly transmit HIV to somebody an illness that can ruin your entire life...just becouse modern medical science says WITH proper treatment you can live a longer life and are far less likely to transmit the illness? how is that sane?
One of the links above ALSO mentions you can take PILLS to lower the chance of contracting HIV if your HIV negative to about 99% protected.... Did the fucking big pharma companies lobby for this shit?
If you KNOWINGLY transmit a potentially fatal communicable disease like HIV or anything else that can kill somebody or is otherwise incurable.. you should be BURRIED UNDER THE PRISON!
im not talking about TELLING your partner, and letting them mkae that choice im talking about with holding that infomration and transmitting it anyway. People might not even know to get tested...
How does this help us treat HIV thats the LOGIC behind this bill acording to the links above, please explain to me, were I DONT understand whats going on here ebcouse I cannot except this as reality.
CLEARLY I am MISTAKEN and I have gravely misread this and im under a false understanding of the situation. PLEASE explain to me WTF is going on, so i can stop panicing and wondering why ANybody whos name is on this bill has not be publicly shamed for being god damned INSANE DX
Yeah, there are other comunicable diseases that are treated less seriusly if you intentionaly transmit them but the vast majority fo those are not only curable, there also not gonna fucking KILL YOU.
Dont feed me this It's ok, you can live with HIV CRAP!!!! it changes your LIFE and forces you on an expensive medacine regimine to not get AIDS....and you could STILL get AIDS...
So I say again PLEASE explain to me whats going on but I am lagit confused by this. Why are we rewording the sick fucks who think it's ok to spread HIV around like margerine on toast and esentialy punishing everybody whos HIV negative becouse now there not camiting a felony if they fail to disclose there infected.
Im sorry if your infected...but I lose absolutely ALL respect for you if you KNOW your infected and dont TELL THE PERSON YOUR FUCKING!!!!
EDIT!
I also want to mention it is no longer required by law to tell the BLOOD BANK!! your INFECTED!
they could give that blood to anybody to a child! Jesus Christ people...
I have a theory that California is trying to end all human reproduction, because now no one in their right mind would fuck in that fucking ridiculous state.
I have a theory that California is trying to end all human reproduction, because now no one in their
I was born in california! DX I still want to LIKE california! I am praying this is all just I dont know.. fear mongering? or missinformation... but all the articals seem to say the same thing...
apparently makeing it a misdemeaner to give sombody HIV is suposed to HELP destigmatize it, and aid the LGBT camunity?
yeah.. aid it in dieing the fuck out!
theres no cure yet.. Im not UNREASONABLE. if HIV and AIDS were cured tomarrow.. i wouldent give a fuck.. decriminilize it, now it's not serius... but it IS serius...
If you KNOWINGLY infect sombody with a life changeing illness, without telling them FIRST and makeing sure there ok with it, you should go down for fucking murder...
I was born in california! DX I still want to LIKE california! I am praying this is all just I dont k
wait what? you no longer need to tell the bloodbank if your hiv positive? do they realize how many people that can get sick and perhaps even kill by not knowing that info? not to mention if that many people get sick, how much medication theyd need to crank out just for that? maybe their doing it to purposfully get people sick to buy the medicine for treatment? idk whats going on but this sounds ridiculous to me. dont they have a cure for hiv?
wait what? you no longer need to tell the bloodbank if your hiv positive? do they realize how many p
i thought they had a cure for it? i asked my doctor about hiv before and she said they have a treatment for it and i remember commercials saying they had a pill that could cure it completely. idk to much about it but ill definitely ask my doctor again when i go.
i thought they had a cure for it? i asked my doctor about hiv before and she said they have a treatm
I'm with you on this one. Intentionally infecting someone with a potentially deadly disease is a horrible thing to do. Just because there is treatment doesn't change anything. It's like saying it's okay to kick someone in the mouth because there are ways to fix broken teeth.
I'm with you on this one. Intentionally infecting someone with a potentially deadly disease is a hor
It can be suppressed to undetectable levels as long as you're on a drug, but it will remain a part of you forever... and if you ever stop taking the drug, it starts to regain strength until it is full blown again.
Apparently they said: the old law was "Homophobic and discriminatory". You don't want to have sex with a person, just because they have HIV? Bigot! Are you AIDSphobic?
Seriously. I don't know. This all disgusts me greatly. Either California is gone completely retarded, or this is some Pharmacy-Lobby conspiracy to sell more drugs. Agh! It makes my head shudder...
It can be suppressed to undetectable levels as long as you're on a drug, but it will remain a part o
if you tell me you have HIV or AIDS and I wanna fuck you anyway thats on ME! I made that choice, if I get it dispite all procutions that is still on ME
if you dont tell me, and I get it, and I find out you gave it to me, we are WORSE then over!
YES! YES I AM!!! I am SUPER AIDS PHOBIC!!! if you tell me you have HIV or AIDS and I wanna fuck yo
If there's a law that's out there that punishes you for intentionally giving someone STDs i would find a law specifically stating HIV would be redundant.
Still, it is important and I think imperative that you should be punished for a year at the very least and fined a large sum to pay for the person's treatment, especially if they test positive for whichever STD they have.
If there's a law that's out there that punishes you for intentionally giving someone STDs i would f
i am glad that exists but this law spesifys HIV transmission is punishable with a MAXIMUM of 6 months... so it would superseed anything else on the subject at least in california...
Im just MIND BLOWN like i cant fathum why this bill exists let alone why it got sighed.
i am glad that exists but this law spesifys HIV transmission is punishable with a MAXIMUM of 6 month
The reason for this is Burden of Proof. Here's what has not been publicized: The rate at which a person who is angry, spiteful, or otherwise not all that great of a person has convinced a positive person that they are aware of the condition, that they don't care, that they know the partner keeps the viral load down, that he's on PReP etc etc etc, They romp, sometimes they have a relationship for years..
Then the dude up and tells the court "Holy butts, I didn't know this guy had AIDS! Arrest him!" Thing is, The burden of proof is on the accuser, but in this case, There's usually no way to prove for or agaisnt a case!
And in a Jury Trial, Jury selection becomes a chore and even of those who make it past selection is eager to find "One of them fags" guilty of a crime.
This is a known problem, and unfortunately, in the case of a felony, It will always be a jury trial. Do you know how many of the accused has successfully defended themselves from this charge? Less then 10%
Do you believe 90% of people accused of a crime are guilty of the crime?
By making this a Misdemeanor, The accused has the choice of letting the judge make the call, Who usually do not have a "Hope that fag fries" bias, who will listen to the presented evidence of the accuser and make an educated call.
Those found guilty are still placed on a sex offender's registry. The person's life is still ruined (And if guilty of the crime, rightly so in this case)
....Now, with that extra information, you may still find it absurd for CA to make this call. And that's okay if you do. You make that judgement armed with more information then you had before.
The reason for this is Burden of Proof. Here's what has not been publicized: The rate at which a per
I have to say due to the wording of the bill I still find it redicules...
it decriminilizes. spasificly, KNOWINGLY TRAMITTING IT
so if you say fuck me for years and we break up and you have the super aids!!! and i want to be a spitefull cunt and try to get you tossed into prison.. unless I have allowed myself to be infected dispite all procuations, and lets be honest, if I know you have it Im not letting you fuck me with out 50 layers of portection if we fuck at all, it's SUPER insanly unlikely I will get HIV or AIDS.
So in this sinario. you have not broken the law, even if I claim that I diddent know, you diddetn give it to me, THAT can be a missdemeaner if I can prove you failed to tell me. worst case sinario you do a little time for a lie, it's not pretty but it's better then the alternative.
now you actualy CAN fuck me with intent to infect me... and the worst you can get if i can prove it is six mounths...and apparently your name on a list, I find horrible start with. I dont belive the offender registry should exist. I belive the punishment should fit the crime and when your done paying for that crime you should be allowed to pick up were you left off. if you repeat offend well enjoy spending most of if not all of the rest of your life in prison.
I dont want to see innocent people criminilized for a lowers spat but theres plunty of risks involved with haveing HIV or AIDS and decideing to have sexual contact with another human being, or god forbid, donateing blood.
it's harsh but why should I be mandated to shoulder that burden by the government, absolving you of your responsibility to inform me you have a potentialy deadly issless, that I am about to play Russian roulette with.
I would rather play REAL Russian Rulette at least that way i'll win a fuck ton of money or be dead. I wont have to live the rest of my life with an illness you should have told me about.
I just dont think it's unreasonable to demand you inform me and allow me to make the choice. Get it in fucking writeing if you have to.
I have to say due to the wording of the bill I still find it redicules... it decriminilizes. spasi
i like to use Facking in place of Fucking when things are stupid lol.
Also im pretty sure all blood banks test the blood before it can be used. that said.... they should still tell someone before trading them an std. Any Std
i like to use Facking in place of Fucking when things are stupid lol. Also im pretty sure all blood
This is insane. What type of people approved of it? If it ever happens here in Texas I'd be leaving this state that I actually do love. Thankfully I don't ever forsee that happening. We still have the death penalty after all.
This is insane. What type of people approved of it? If it ever happens here in Texas I'd be leaving
Look on the bright side... we're taking the first step towards disease rights! Soon they'll be using homeless people to ranch strains of rare and incurable diseases because they have a right to exist. Eventually everyone will be assigned their own personal disease at birth that they'll get to keep their entire lives! Hopefully you get lucky and just get something like Herpes that's annoying but harmless. No one wants to hang out with the bubonic plague kids. We've already taken great strides with the anti-vaxer movement. We're getting measles and polio back! Woot! Spider kids and kids in cans! (Because this is the internet I will now state that everything before this point was sarcasm.)
Look on the bright side... we're taking the first step towards disease rights! Soon they'll be using
I though hiv and aids where the same thing. now I did not read it all, but I do know there is a drug called prep which is supposed to prevent those diseases from taking hold in ur system
I though hiv and aids where the same thing. now I did not read it all, but I do know there is a dru
Well that's the thing, it's not a disease you CAN cure. You can't make a vaccine. You can't really treat it. You can SUPPRESS it, but the virus is still there. It's still in you. Once you slip up on your treatment, it comes back. Once it mutates enough to ignore the drugs, it's back AND you can't stop it. Prevention is the only thing we have.. and we're killing it. It would have been far kinder to the world to have done mandatory blood testing in the early days of the disease, found everyone infected, and quarantined them on a very nice plague island.
Well that's the thing, it's not a disease you CAN cure. You can't make a vaccine. You can't really t
I thought it was insane, too, until I did some research into it.
The reason why the crime was downgraded was because of how it was being used and who it was being used against. There have been a few cases where someone intentionally spreads HIV to other people - those cases are the ones this law was intended to prosecute - but the people largely targeted by this law went untested and accidentally spread HIV, or were/are afraid to get tested out of fear of persecution, which was and is happening. This is extremely prevalent within the LGBT community, where even if you don't have an STD, certain authoritarians like to scapegoat and throw the book at you with this as the guise.
The punishment has not been entirely rescinded - everyone can agree intentionally spreading HIV is a pretty heinous crime - but the idea is this should help reduce the stigma and persecution surrounding it.
I thought it was insane, too, until I did some research into it. The reason why the crime was downg
i dont want to see people have this used as a weapon against them.. but were still talking about Decriminilizeing the act of KNOWINGLY not telling people...
If you do this....
for anything reason... when you KNEW you had it...
fuck you, die a slow and painful death.
that and my research is starting to show that the Gov of california, BIG FUCKING SHOCK is in the pocket of the pharmaceutical company that produces the drug to repress HIV and to BLOCK HIV in HIV negative people...
If I can CONFIRM this, beyond just what im reading so far... then this fucker did it for the pay out.
I cant PROVE it yet im not super good at digging up politicians backing super fast but im scowering the net. so far i've found a few referances in a couple places but I dont completely trust the source.
i dont want to see people have this used as a weapon against them.. but were still talking about Dec
I really don't think people grasp the power of a virus. It's not something you can really kill because it's not really ALIVE. It's essentially a parasitic cell component, like a tiny free floating organ. When it is outside of a host cell, it is, by all terms we have, dead. It cannot really be affected in any way. Once it finds a "lucky" cell it bonds its chemicals to the chemicals in the outer wall and squirts its DNA inside. The new DNA overwrites the host DNA and causes the cell to commit suicide by turning every single ounce of energy it has into producing new virus bodies and then violently explode to scatter them out like shrapnel. If this happened a few times, no one would care, but each new virus body is fully capable of hijacking another cell. And there are now millions. And then billions. Sure, they're all floating around as debris but a virus is essentially the only organism that exists entirely on dumb luck and WINS. Do you know how hard viruses win? They win so damned hard they kill the majority of the planet's bacteria. DAILY. And they do this because of how the reproduce. You, being a mammal or equivalent get one chance every 20 years to alter your species DNA. This, biologically speaking, is HORRIFYINGLY slow. It's so slow, in fact, that many people argue it doesn't even happen. This is why we have people denying evolution. The virus, on the other hand, has no real timer for its generations other than how hard it can push a cell before it explodes. Bacteria can reproduce every few minutes, and the viruses still murderfuck them to death. Even if it only had one chance per generation to mutate, this would be enough. But it doesn't. It has MILLIONS. Per virus. Because each of the new copies can have a "defect". If these are debilitating, the virus copy just doesn't reproduce and no one cares. If it's beneficial it breeds more than the parent and becomes the new strain. This is why we have new flu every year. But guess what, kids? We're not done! Nature gave the virus OTHER gifts! Some viruses, the retroviruses, encode themselves directly into the genetic information of a host instead of just over-writing it. What does this mean? Well it means they don't have to kill you. They simply become PART of you. They are one with you now. And they can come back. They can come back whenever they want. This is how herpes operates. This is why it NEVER goes away. It's believed that 8% of your DNA, right now, is old viruses that just decided "hey, I'm not killing this guy". Did you think that was the end? Oh no. They have ANOTHER fun trick too! As they develop, they can hijack bits of "alien" DNA from the host they use to reproduce through replication error. This is called horizontal gene transfer. And because any bodies that aren't at least as healthy as the parent DIE, the ones who get good DNA from the host get to live and make better viruses. In short... you get one shot. You have ONE CHANCE to stop the virus. You have to make a vaccine and spread it as fast as you can to render the host population immune before it can change itself. In slow mutating viruses, like polio and small pox, this was pretty easy. In FAST mutating viruses, like the flu, this is essentially a wasted effort. Your flu shot is just the most popular version of the flu from LAST YEAR being injected into you in the hopes that it's still the most popular flu this year. If not, you still get the flu.
I really don't think people grasp the power of a virus. It's not something you can really kill becau
Oh.. btw Bun.. get that ass in the air! wait wut >.> Annyway:)... If it's any comfort at all.. every donation of blood is automatically screened for certain diseases like HIV and Hep and such. People don't need to say a thing since any bad blood will be rejected automatically. oh and ya know.. when you are writing a post.. if it's underlined in red.. right click it and fix the spelling.. it's idjitproof>:) *teases*
Oh.. btw Bun.. get that ass in the air! wait wut >.> Annyway:)... If it's any comfort at all.. eve
I wouldn't doubt if this was spurred on by a bunch of people suing after-the-fact for contracting HIV when they didn't know their partner had it, and multiple cases of the defendant stating that the person knew about it and is lying about not knowing.
I wouldn't doubt if this was spurred on by a bunch of people suing after-the-fact for contracting HI
alrighty, another reason not to go to California. Cause that shit needs to be a felony. Even though medical advances created a Pre-exposure prophylaxis for HIV, there's still no excuse. Something like this shouldn't even exist until HIV is extinct. Not less likely to be transmitted, extinct. Dead, like polio.
(BTW im actually thinking of getting PrEP cause i think it does help protect. But this is still probably dumber than 'featureless rifles')
alrighty, another reason not to go to California. Cause that shit needs to be a felony. Even though
No, no. REGRESSIVE LEFTISM is a mental disorder. Liberalism, in the classic sense, is just "hi there, government. Please leave me the hell alone. Thank you."
No, no. REGRESSIVE LEFTISM is a mental disorder. Liberalism, in the classic sense, is just "hi there
Liberalism is fine. Dont succumb to the us vs them mentality. This isn't liberalism. A liberal stands for everyone's rights. This clearly violates the potential partners of the hiv positive people's rights. This is regressive leftism. In the same way you can be consecutive without being a nazi.
Liberalism is fine. Dont succumb to the us vs them mentality. This isn't liberalism. A liberal stand
well without medication it's murder...the argument here is with medication you no longer symtomatic but your still dependent on pills for the rest of your life you have to pay for... sooo in my book still just as bad.
well without medication it's murder...the argument here is with medication you no longer symtomatic
The Pursuit of Happiness is different for everyone. What makes someone happy, can be very destructive to others. Knowingly spreading your disease or disorder around sexually without telling your partner, is very very bad.
Now they are saying its okay. I can only foresee a war with California to purge it of its current confederate leadership. We should really call it the Confederacy of California.
The Pursuit of Happiness is different for everyone. What makes someone happy, can be very destructiv
Well, for the blood bank thing, all donated blood is tested anyway. So, if you let them know you're infected or not either way they know not to use it.
Well, for the blood bank thing, all donated blood is tested anyway. So, if you let them know you're
Here's a better clarification for all of you but only because this is considered a very important topic: https://youtu.be/T-h3iU7ujn4 Just skip to 11:08
Here's a better clarification for all of you but only because this is considered a very important to
Scott Weiner is human fucking garbage. the logic behind this bill is full retard mode not to mention the fact that i have seen this video before and only grew more angry when i found out the setence for other dangerous camunicable illnesses being intentional spread without disclosure of ones infection status has ALSO been lowered.
I think people keep forgetting that this is about intentionally transmitting the illness not simply just haveing it.
if you have a life altering or potential fatal communicable illness and you intentionally pass that one to another human being.
You really should be dropped into a blender.
I also dont see how EXACTLY this is supposed to assist in the treatment of HIV or stop it's spread. Lowering the amount of prisom time to just a handfull of months of jail time for robbing stores at gun point doesn't stop the rise of crime.
If I had a sexual partner who later informed me he lied about being clean and had intentionaly infected me with HIV,I would be take a page or two out of Breaking Bad. Probably something involving acid and chemical storage drums. Your a shit person if you intentionally infect somebody for any reason. I can see No Moral, Logical or Legal reason to reduce the penulty from a felony carrying a sentence of up to 6-8 years in prison, down to a wrist slap of a couple months in JAIL.
Scott Weiner is human fucking garbage. the logic behind this bill is full retard mode not to mention
to be fair the entire countries in debt X3 but state debt is different from national deficite yes. I have no idea about cali's state debts I diddent look into them since there not relivent to this topic XD
to be fair the entire countries in debt X3 but state debt is different from national deficite yes. I
