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The worst part is, I still kinda feel bad for him.

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jinxblack
2 months, 2 weeks ago
poor frog bro
KevinSnowpaw
2 months, 2 weeks ago
....I think I get it XD and honestly.. yeah it's kinda funny XD There are some people who are identifying as white nationalists out of hate and others who are do it out of a general lack of any other sort of identity.

the bit in the middle really made me smirk since the whole menanist thing has allways been satire XDit's the MGTOW's that are series.

I kinda feel abd for frog bro to. I am curious was it just a frog brecouse you felt like a frog or is this a subtle jab at all the pepe meme bros who think there alt right... but dont really know what alt right MEANS?
sedkitty
2 months, 2 weeks ago
It's a little known factoid that Slippy started ranting about redpilling and incels in his later years.  "Women don't want to sleep with me.  Could it just be that I'm an annoying asshole?  No, it's the feminists who are wrong!"
MickJagger
2 months, 2 weeks ago
PRAISE KEK!
KevinSnowpaw
2 months, 1 week ago
awww dude I love your music!
MickJagger
2 months, 1 week ago
Always nice to meet a fan.
Milkie
2 months, 2 weeks ago
Could be misguided, could be a nationalist who will now be able to act like he is. "It's just a joke, bro!"
Kupok
2 months, 2 weeks ago
Some of us grew up with "It's just a joke bro." -.-
MickJagger
2 months, 1 week ago
Milkie, that dress is too big for you.

But you wear it well.
Milkie
2 months, 1 week ago
Nothing is too big for me! Nothing!
Milkie
2 months, 1 week ago
And I mean seriously, you get those weird 4chan message boards fulla people openly discussing the "next steps" of "their movement" and I honestly do question how many of them are even serious about it. Or if any of them are at all. They could be, or they could be a buncha losers on the internet who think they're being super funny.

I've always had a hard time knowing what to take seriously on the internet and what not to. People can just put anything on it!
Labyrias
2 months, 1 week ago
Why are we not discussing the fact that this movement didnt exist till regressive leftists successfully resurrected it?
White nationalists and the alt-right were never taken seriously. Till antifa, bamn and the rest of the gang thought it would be nice to just assault people randomly in broad daylight on the open streets, while perpetually keeping up this narrative of white people needing to go.

Anyone with just a little bit of objectivity will stand by the side and applaud the left for successfully creating the demon they pretended to be fighting. They "bashed the fash" so hard that it actually appeared.
Congratulations.
And this stupidity will go on and reach deeper and deeper lows the longer people refuse to see both the alt-left and the alt-right as the trash they are.
EricAdler
2 months, 1 week ago
Oh wow, I had not realized that the Neo-Nazi and the KKK had actually disbanded and only reformed under the logic of "The Left mentioned us, therefore we organize again."

I had thought they were just hiding in the shadows and under the muck, waiting for the right 'dog whistles' from the Right, dog whistles Trump lovingly sent out as bullhorns.
Soltra
2 months, 1 week ago
This is such a strange way of thinking. It's never the right wings fault to some people. The rise of the Alt-Right? Blame leftists pushing for equal rights. The murder in Charlottesville? Blame Leftists for scaring the man (even though no one scared him). Trump? Blame Leftists for calling right wingers bigoted (then right wingers voted for someone bigoted).

Like, is it ever the right wings fault for their actions? Does every event tie back to leftists somehow? Why are you still blaming the left for people on the right snapping and murdering people?
Milkie
2 months, 1 week ago
Oh, wow, hey! A theory that has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. Congratulations!

But on a more serious note, while this concept of internet anonymity and joke culture actually giving these individuals a place to successfully squirrel away their movements, handing to them on a silver platter the opportunity to deny outright their words and pass them off as a joke that most people will believe, was indeed adopted by a video on YouTube many people have seen and now credit as some kind of Leftist propaganda; my thoughts toward that end have absolutely nothing to do with labeling Neo Nazis or the KKK or White Supremacists as being Right-Wing, nor does it place me in the Left camp. I simply find the idea logically sound, and if I were a clever White Supremacist, I'd give myself an "out" too if things got too out of hand.

I'm not taking a Democrat or Republican side on this, and I have no idea why doing that is SO IMPORTANT to people.

How about instead of playing Hot Potato with the identity, we be more concerned that the identity itself even exists in the first place? Can we all agree that White Supremacy has no place in a country that literally built itself on immigration? Someone doesn't get to exploit people from Africa/Ireland/Asia and then decide they don't want them anymore when they're done having them build their infrastructure and they won't play ball with being second class citizens anymore. Sorry, if anyone feels that way, the message should be: America isn't for you.

Is it not super weird to anyone else that Nazism is thriving in any degree in the country that fought it? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here!

As a Canadian, I get to sit here and watch my neighbours fucking sit on their own balls when addressing this. As a disabled person, I get to watch as self-titled "Centrists" poo-poo on the Left and fight for equal rights for a group of people who follow an ideology who would, in fact, include me in their "cultural protection" purge (AKA ethnic cleansing), as traditional Nazism (which they are practicing; Nazi salutes, swastika flags and all that) equally despises the crippled along with the jews, blacks, and other minorities they see as inferior to their White Master Race and in the way of their White Homeland.

I'm sorry, but I'm being as objective as I can when I say that the existence of this movement at all alarms me. I'm standing objectively until it reaches the thought that if these people were able to grow and thrive, their beliefs and ideologies become a direct threat to me and my livelihood. I'm not saying they'd come for me in the streets and drag me hooked up to the back of a truck - they could worm their way into my government and then all of a sudden my ODSP could be cut down, and suddenly I could not be able to support myself or afford to live. There are all kinds of ways to force the undesirables out. It isn't always grandiose genocide.

So I'll say the same thing I've been saying since Trump got voted into office: America, please. You call yourselves the leader of the free world, but it seems like whenever any other Democratic country in said free world emulates what goes on in your country, you refuse to take responsibility for that. My culture in Canada is shifting to resemble what your culture is in America. Address your problems and your trouble-makers, please. Provide an example to the rest of the world. All this blind identity politics and keyboard warrioring is solving nothing. All the finger-pointing and blaming is solving nothing. Who gives a flying fuck if these guys are Left or Right born, do something about them.
Nezumi
2 months ago
Oh, hey! I'm also disabled! (I dunno what your specific disabilities are, though, or how mine compare) Also gay and trans. So... yeah. I'm in the boat of "These people literally want to kill me, and you're arguing about whether it's bad to punch them and who's worse, them or whatever other flavor of the week, please just fucking do something." Different perspective, 'cause different country, but... yeah.
Keeran
2 months, 1 week ago
bruh, it's existed even before  the Radical Left took over the market. Hell,  the KKK had a black guy write a book about their history and the Grand Wizard took him to one of their rallies.
CCubed
2 months, 2 weeks ago
I don't get it
Kupok
2 months, 2 weeks ago
I stopped emulating this at the first one ouo;;
SweetDandy
2 months, 2 weeks ago
guy- IM A VENTRILOQUIST

everyone - oh ok.
Norithics
2 months, 2 weeks ago
I'm a banana! Look at me move!
tkongingi
2 months, 2 weeks ago
Yeah yeah!
SweetDandy
2 months, 2 weeks ago
IM MR. MEESEEKS LOOK AT MEEEE.
Jasiven
2 months, 2 weeks ago
Caaaaaan do!
jmynstyx
2 months, 2 weeks ago
technically we have some banana dna in us, and some of us are more banana than others XD
YukiAkuma
2 months, 2 weeks ago
To be even more irritatingly technical, it's less that we have "banana DNA" and more than we have "generic eukaryote DNA", which bananas, also being eukaryotes, obviously also share.

It turns out once you have the instructions to make a specific protein you don't really need to reinvent the wheel!

As a side note, most organisms have different lengths of DNA, so any figures that say "we share xy% of our DNA with x species!" isn't really that accurate. Then there's the fact that certain genomes can end up in different orders due to various copy errors in the millenia since we diverged...
jmynstyx
2 months, 2 weeks ago
huh o3o neat ^^
Superelectric
2 months, 1 week ago
So what you're saying is, if I inject myself with this syringe I found that has "DNA" written on it in magic marker, I'll turn into a banana? Finally, a practical use for science!
YukiAkuma
2 months, 1 week ago
Yes that is exactly what I'm saying. Nothing can possibly go wrong. Trust me.
YukiAkuma
2 months, 2 weeks ago
I predict at least fifteen comment threads will be deleted before people stop responding to this picture.
Kupok
2 months, 2 weeks ago
Naw, Nori doesn't strike me as a deleter. All communication has purpose. If Nori posts something like this, He's honestly interested in his audience's viewpoints, even the inflammatory ones. He may lockdown later, though, if things got out of hand, but I think Nori's audience is not prone to getting out of hand.
YukiAkuma
2 months, 2 weeks ago
Nope, Nori totally deletes horribly toxic comments all the time.
Norithics
2 months, 2 weeks ago
It depends. On irrelevant huge dick porn? Yeah I'm slap-choppin' that on outta here. But if the point of the (usually) journal or picture is something contentious then I only bring out the hammer for people who are actually leaving abuse or just plain not engaging whatsoever and using it as a hate platform.
YukiAkuma
2 months, 2 weeks ago
I'll admit, I don't have a particularly optimistic view on the majority of your fanbase.
Aramilian
2 months, 2 weeks ago
So far it seems pretty good, cross our fingers it stays that way!
TheLunatic25
2 months, 1 week ago
Not entirely sure what that says on how you view the regulars in his streams, but by and large I've never seen Nori's fanbase be incredibly horrible. Strange, sure...
YukiAkuma
2 months, 1 week ago
Nah, I'm talking about the people who have him on watch, never commission anything or attend his streams, then come crawling out of the woodwork any time he says anything even remotely political to scream at him for not being a perfect mirror of their own views.
GabrielLaVedier
2 months, 1 week ago
I don't attend streams because I... I'm genuinely not sure how it all works. I'm a luddite by accident. And I don't commission him because I mostly use my money for food and other things. But I totally would. When people ask me what I want as presents I usually say art. I should get Nori art. It's awesome.
TheLunatic25
2 months, 1 week ago
Ah, so the 'quiet unless you say something I don't agree with' bunch.

Makes much more sense.
Justathereptile
2 months, 2 weeks ago
I'm a gamer. But in politics, I have no such identity. I'm just a guy who shakes his head at the extremes of it.
Labyrias
2 months, 1 week ago
Isnt the very definition of gamer a lack of identity?
We are mere nicknames on the internet without nationality, belief, color or ideology, having fun.
Politicizing and attaching ideologies to gamers is not only a disgusting thing, but also an uneducated one imho.
tkongingi
2 months, 2 weeks ago
Meanwhile, the nazi who recruited frog guy by preying on his need for an identity is sitting just a little off frame.
Norithics
2 months, 2 weeks ago
"I'm just taking part in the marketplace of ideas."
tkongingi
2 months, 2 weeks ago
Selling rotten product to a new set of rubes.
fluffball
2 months, 2 weeks ago
Yeah, thanks for noticing that guy.

People just want to fit in. We all want the same thing. Friends, community, lovers, family, money, and a nice society that you feel apart of. If you don't get that with the right label, you keep switching your label until you get what you want.

Politics, religion, subcultures, whatever it takes. I go with furry, which has its own haters, community, and even fanatics.

Others go with white pride, which some people see as equating to black pride or gay pride. Not bad at all. Just another way to be fine with what you were born as.

Others see white pride as relating to genocidal hate mongering. The truth? Probably both, depending on each person with those beliefs. Probably best to just ask them, seeing as no one can really, truly, be such an enemy that you cannot understand them at least a little bit, and thus, find common ground.

ZekeyJester
2 months, 2 weeks ago
I identify as me and no one can take that away from me.
Labyrias
2 months, 1 week ago
Unless you intentionally misgender yourself and refuse to use the correct pronouns. Then you will go to jail.
ZekeyJester
2 months, 1 week ago
No worry about that happening in the foreseeable ever.
Soltra
2 months, 1 week ago
Yeah that's never happened...
Kalibran
2 months, 2 weeks ago
The real fun is when they're all three of those things.
Norithics
2 months, 2 weeks ago
Drive the filthy sexy Argonians out of Skyrim
Kalibran
2 months, 2 weeks ago
I was going to make a horrible, horrible racist joke about S.T.A.L.K.E.R. : Shadow of Chernobyl, but I'll leave that to everyone's imagination.
TankCatapult
2 months, 2 weeks ago
I'll cyka your blyat ( ͡°╭͜ʖ╮ ͡°)
Kalibran
2 months, 2 weeks ago
Not even close, but I'm going to pretend you're moving in the right direction. Also, has anyone noticed that modern Nazis are, roughly, 2500% less dignified (or sexy, or actually good at doing horrible things) than the originals?
TankCatapult
2 months, 2 weeks ago
Yeah, I noticed that, too. Modern Nazis seem like a poorly done parody. You know it's crazy when the Nazis from The Blues Brothers are more faithful to the Nazi Party than the hicks waving around confederate flags nowadays.
Kalibran
2 months, 2 weeks ago
If a real Nazi could see them now, they'd say screw it and join the Soviets.
TankCatapult
2 months, 2 weeks ago
And after finding out that the Soviets don't exist anymore, they'd go "God fucking damn it..."
Labyrias
2 months, 1 week ago
Out of all the things you could criticize, we have arrived at nazi fashion tips....
Forget "If a real Nazi could see them now, they'd say screw it and join the Soviets" if humanity from 100-200 years ago could see the current generation, they would decide to commit suicide.
Soltra
2 months, 1 week ago
Yes, how terrible our generation is with considerably more human rights, access to medicine, a massive technological leap, ease of transportation, stronger relations, Netflix,

If only we listened to those from 200 years ago, they had good ideas, like women not being able to vote, black people being second class citizens, and Nori not being able to stay with his boyfriend without being reconditioned or killed for being gay.

Yes, they knew what was best...
Milkie
2 months, 1 week ago
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Squirrelliness
2 months, 2 weeks ago
There's a loud and idiotic contingent generally in Stonefalls on ESO that generally says this.
Superelectric
2 months, 1 week ago
I was all set to join the Stormcloaks until I realized their philosophy was basically "Make Tamriel Great Again." Nice job, Stormcloaks, you were so racist you made me side with the same people who tried to execute me.
betterwatchit
2 months, 1 week ago
If only IB let us fave comments...
Labyrias
2 months, 1 week ago
And then there are the sane people who joined neither sides.
XZeddX
2 months, 2 weeks ago
Well now...I think we all knew that kid
Dgtdgt
2 months, 2 weeks ago
Funny that at one point in time, being labeled as a gamer really did have a stigma behind it. Now you have CEOs that openly play video games.

If only that meant this was an amazing time to be alive.
Norithics
2 months, 2 weeks ago
It's like the worst monkey's paw.
KevinSnowpaw
2 months, 1 week ago
I would say theres never been a BETTER time to be alive! people are liveing longer, Medicine is continuing to move foreword technology is RIPPING foreword like a bullet train especially computer tech.

Even Socialy people in most first world countries at least have more identity more rights and more equality then they have ever had before. Sure that means were seeing some debate over serten hot button social issues...but those issues being talked about is a sign that they have more exposure then they EVER have.

untill we move into some kinda despopian future the present is way better then say 50 or a hundred years ago. =p Maybe it's just me but I would much rather be alive now then meny other time periods in history.
Dgtdgt
2 months, 1 week ago
Medical knowledge I'd not far enough to help me much. I have Crohns Disease and I have yet to get it lower than moderate. I spend 3 to 4 hours every day stuck on a toilet, have to very carefully watch what I eat, give myself an injection in the thigh once a week, take oral steroids, yearly colonoscopy to screen for colon cancer since my meds increase that risk, and despite all this I still end up hospitalized every 4 years.

It seems the time I can spend "healthy" is decreasing with time because there have been no treatment breakthroughs since my diagnosis 15 years ago, and my body gets used to the meds. I lost coverage just long enough for one of my scripts to not be covered by insurance for a month, which has put me 10k dollars in debt.  Due to my health I can only work 20 hours a week and it will take me 3 years to pay it off. That's assuming I don't end up in the hospital before then and go even deeper into debt. My health has me permanently in debt and short of winning the lottery, that will never change.

So no, for me this time is not a glorious time to be alive. I wish I was born 100 years from now when this problem should be sorted out.
KevinSnowpaw
2 months, 1 week ago
well I think all of us with issues of any sort wish for that... but just imagine what your life would have been like had you been born 100 years EARLYER....ick DX
kody1023
2 months, 2 weeks ago
Oh, are we using this as political ranting? Can I take half a second to vomit up a long rant that may or may not alienate people? Sweet.

So, radicalization fucking sucks nowadays, doesn't it? Everyone seems to see everything as an us vs. them kind of situation now- Gays vs. Straights, Whites vs. Blacks, Republicans vs Democrats. Everywhere I go on the internet, someone is saying something stupid and radical, on both sides of the aisle- See this video and this video if you want to laugh at people being completely fucking insane with their conspiracy theories about how people they don't like work- And it seems less and less like there are people willing to stand up for issues without demonizing the people who don't share the same opinion as them. Worse, it seems it's now easier to make up conspiracy theories about the so-called "other" than it is to have calm debates about the pros and cons of whatever it is that's being debated about. From Pizzagate to Trump's Russian watersports sex-tape to Obama being a muslim to George Dubya being a white supremacist, I've seen the gamut of people using political figureheads as the leaders of so-called 'theories' that end up doing nothing but making everything worse by making everyone think everyone else is an idiot.

What I hope is that one day, something happens to reset the political climate to zero. I don't mean nuclear war or a new civil war- I'm a moderate, not an anarchist- But just some event that unites us on both sides, and lets us see that we're not black or white, or gay or straight, or even left or right- We're people, with our own wants, needs, and opinions, and that maybe the reason we disagree isn't because we don't know what we're talking about or that we're actually lizards looking to steal babies and use a pizza place in DC to sell those children onto the black market so they can be used as sex slaves- But because we all have different ideas about how we want our country run. Maybe then we can start figuring out who is and isn't racist, who is and isn't homophobic, and who is and isn't a bigot.

Anyway. That was a ramble. Now time for art critique- 0/10, the frog doesn't have a thicc ass and massive, uncut cock, and the ladies behind him aren't fighting to eat out his ass. I want sexual metaphors that make no sense in my political rant art, goddamnit.
Norithics
2 months, 2 weeks ago
I think that's the irony inherent to this latest batch. The idea of identity politics radicalized people who then turned around and embraced the idea of identity politics, just, for them.

I resist the urge to 'both sides' away issues like this- "It's all a wash, so I can stop caring now!"- but it is true that the aimless wanderers who need something to fill their lives don't necessarily care what it is- they'll latch on like political chameleons and be all about whatever thing that grabbed them to an insane, zealot's degree. The people who actually care about the thing never really seem to go to such lengths, and end up being frustrated by the over-escalation of discourse.
Aramilian
2 months, 2 weeks ago
I'm mostly sad because this makes me think of Pepe, a poor frog that was just used by people for funny things, and then got wrapped up in the politics to the point where it's now confusing to know if you are even allowed to link it anymore. As for the 'both sides' issue, I think the problem actually comes from the fact that both sides have a few good points to their thoughts to a degree.

White nationalists are horrible in pretty much all ways except for an idea of protecting the economy of their nation and keeping jobs from being sent overseas when there is a growing amount of people who can't get work. Now, listen to them on social, mental, and most other economic concepts and you will likely strike out on each one with nothing but a lot of slop, but they have that one point. On the other side you have people who utilize identity politics as a simple way to curry favour with people but tend to be utterly bankrupt when it comes to economics and many times demonize anyone who doesn't have their exact idea on such concepts. I'm talking about the people who will say you hate all trans people if you aren't that interested in dating one of them, or those who will say that all white people are racist. That side however is also much more open to people who have historically been underrepresented or just been treated like shit, so they have a good side as well, but it's again just a small part of a giant problem.

So, long story short I suppose my thoughts are basically that people need to stop being so devoted to their own camp that everyone outside becomes an incarnation of the devil, though I would prefer to simply hide in my bunker of games and anime rather than be caught in the crossfire =w=
Norithics
2 months, 2 weeks ago
" Aramilian wrote:
White nationalists are horrible in pretty much all ways except for an idea of protecting the economy of their nation and keeping jobs from being sent overseas when there is a growing amount of people who can't get work.


Well cross that off your list, because as it turns out, protectionism won't save our economy either! The number one killer of jobs is automation. Even in traditional industries, the number of people needed to extract coal or smelt steel or farm food is a fraction of what it was, and that number keeps getting smaller. For decades now we've been papering over this problem by making up bullshit jobs for people to do that computers can do better 99% of the time anyway; does anyone actually need an insurance agent? An accountant? A store greeter?

The truth of the matter is, the prosperity of the 1950s was a fluke, and it was one that the world didn't get to share fairly. If you look back historically, most prosperous times had by large nations were the result of rapid expansionism or labor being done by slaves. If you look at the diminishing wages for current jobs, you can kind of see this pattern repeating.

Fact is, our economy is going to have to change, and the longer we shuffle our feet and blame our problems on immigration, the harder it's gonna be to make that transition.
Jasiven
2 months, 2 weeks ago
Funner fact: Most people will defend the current economy while fucking off at work on Reddit or Imgur for 7 out of 8 hours of their day, and if you DARE suggest those sites be blocked they act like it's an AFFRONT to their rights.

Fuck that. They could be paid 8 times what they are now, work an hour a day, and go home to do something productive with the rest of their time. Wages should go up and hours should go down.
Aramilian
2 months, 2 weeks ago
Well fair enough then, and yeah, automation is the big one and then there is simply using lots of cheap labor overseas as the other. The economy is in a pickle and most people either don't care or don't have the power to fix it, so we're in quite the state right now, huzzah for the 'brilliant' economy
KevinSnowpaw
2 months, 1 week ago
I think we actualy agree pretty strongly on this point from a political spectrum all the US VS THEM identity crap is getting ALL of us absolutely nowhere.
Labyrias
2 months, 1 week ago
Now let me tell you a little story of the social structure good ol me was raised in.
You see.
I have no idea what is happening to the world
There have been perfectly fine messages which vanished over night
Im 33 which may be old or young depending on the point of view, but you see... throughout my entire childhood.
The entirety of it.
The only social "ideology" i have met was that of humanism.

Whatever happened to humanism?
Where did it go?
You know. The notion that we are all human beings regardless of our faith, color, ideology, nationality, height, weight, sexual preferences and so on.
What happened to that?
Why is it that the world is now suddenly like a mirror image of itself?
Everyone is buying into a narrative that literally, fundamentally fractures society starting from its very core.
We are having victim and oppression Olympics based on faith, color, ideology, nationality, height, weight, sexual preferences and so on.

People want to play women against men, blacks against white, fat against slim, heteros against lgbt, and the list goes on and on.
Is this because of the overgrown ego of the current generation?
Is this because of some people like Soros intentionally creating institutions that force these "you are a victim" and "us vs them" questions?
Is it because of something else?

The current social and political climate on all sides is full with entitled little snots who are so privileged and devoid of problems that they go back 500 years in history, using the suffering and pain of long dead people to justify their status as victims and freedom fighters.
The alt-left with bamn, antifa and the rest of the gang pressed this bs till the point where the alt-right is starting to actually reincarnate and get momentum.

I am a mere 33 years old, but i see history repeating itself right before my eyes.
And watching today's generation is like watching a lobotomy happen live, in slow-motion.
All of the major political and social issues of today are artifical. Literally handcrafted by people who refuse any form of self-criticism and comfortably lean back in provided narratives of being a victim, thus give me respect.
Norithics
2 months, 1 week ago
This is the most undeserved "Oh I'm so weary of the world" arrogance I think I've ever seen. You're 33? You sound 13. You peddle right wing bullshit and appeal to Centrism. You ignore facts and call yourself a 'Rational.' You act above fray when you don't know the first fucking thing about the issue at hand.
Gimme a break with this.
Soltra
2 months, 1 week ago
>Whatever happened to humanism?
Where did it go?
You know. The notion that we are all human beings regardless of our faith, color, ideology, nationality, height, weight, sexual preferences and so on.

It was never there! At no point in history did humans ever treat other humans as equal despite their differences. We've had crusades because of religious differences, slaves based on biological, wars based on territorial, throughout all of our history!

The fact of the matter is, even in this current climate of 'identity' politics, humans rights has never been better! Right now, we treat more people as people then any other point in time.

You've disillusioned yourself about History, created a fantasy you want to return to, even though it never existed. Read a history book before you start spouting rubbish about your fantasy land that never existed. And what's worse, look at your other comments, you are one of the reasons it doesn't currently exist.
Milkie
2 months, 1 week ago
Yeah, I swear religion was made not only to answer questions we had no answer to, but to give old human tribes something else to disagree on.

Tribalism, through and through. Even people of the same skin colour, it didn't matter. People split off into groups and fought with other groups since time immemorial. We're a species who seems to thrive at finding differences rather than similarities and latching onto them, and hiding away among the like-minded.

Even this guy, who says "both sides are bad," embeds himself with other Centrists and you know he lives in the belief that since not all of us are Centrist like he is, we're misguided. We're foolish. We're mistaken. We're bad.

Congratulations. You're another fucking tribe.
Soltra
2 months, 1 week ago
He's not even a centralist. He's clearly right wing, but doesn't like to use the term due to the deserved backlash, so instead he says he's centre while spouting right wing ideals that don't exist
Milkie
2 months, 1 week ago
Oh he absolutely regurgitates Right talking points, 100%, he may however still be a Centrist. Many of them have latched on to the "Free Speech" argument really hard - because the Constitution is absolute and all that and must apply to all Americans. That's just "good for all," which is what Centrists claim to be for.

What he's saying is that he agrees with the Right, while also saying he'd never agree to either side and both sides are wrong and stupid. Also that he doesn't take a side, even though being a Centrist is a third side, a side which serves no purpose but to dismiss all argument/serious issues.
Ketsuban
2 months, 1 week ago
They're a centrist, in the sense that they think they're taking a position on the centre of the see-saw, when in fact all they're doing is sitting on the fulcrum.
curtainshowers
2 months, 2 weeks ago
But...you're green???
Norithics
2 months, 2 weeks ago
Racial politics gets weird when funny animals get injected.
Chaytel
2 months ago
Trump's orange, doesn't stop him either.
LoneWolf23k
2 months, 2 weeks ago
The slow, but steady devolution...
tnick123
2 months, 2 weeks ago
The only funny part I got outta this is just the Term Meninist... I love how that term pisses so many people off yet it Is A straight up Parody.
slashD89
2 months, 2 weeks ago
meninist isn't a thing tho it never was
Norithics
2 months, 2 weeks ago
I'm purposefully taking the piss with it because there's no possible agreement to be made on the breakdown between MGTOWs and MRAs and it's not really especially important to the point because you understood the implication.
ZeloxQuo
2 months, 2 weeks ago
Meninist is indeed a thing. It is a joke. A direct parody of feminism.

That is all it exists as. To flip the genders and point out how horrible feminism has become in a lot of what it does/a lot of the ideas/theories/concepts.
ScottyKat
2 months, 2 weeks ago
Slippy has slipped into madness
ShawnGuku
2 months, 2 weeks ago
Hey now, that frog is a hate symbol
ZeloxQuo
2 months, 2 weeks ago
That is an exceedingly sad progression for frog-guy.

First, he tries to identify with a group that has been attacked for no good reason, and that the two background characters don't even recognise as a group at all.

Second, he, for some reason, decides to identify with a joke movement, that only exists as a joke. Meninists/Meninism only exists as a joke parody of Feminism. That is the whole point of it. So... he decides to make a joke, probably at the expense of the two background characters who ignored him/dismissed his initial group that he was happy with.

Third, he... apparently goes insane.
Norithics
2 months, 2 weeks ago
He was never happy- that's the point. He kept applying labels to himself to chase away the feelings of existential dread, but no label was ever going to do that. With frustration comes anger, with anger comes blame, and when you need someone to blame, there's always a new label that's happy to take you into their fold.
ZeloxQuo
2 months, 2 weeks ago
Well that just makes it more confusing then.

First he identifies as a gamer. Fine. Other gamers would chat with him, no issue. It is the non-gamers who will be like 'why is that even a group'. So, it seems like it isn't so much he himself that needs a label, as he needs others to accept him. That is more of an ego then.

Heck your comment of: With frustration comes anger, with anger comes blame, and when you need someone to blame, there's always a new label that's happy to take you into their fold.

The only group that that seems to be true for is the last one, the white supremacy one.

Gamers are just there for enjoyment of games, a sense of community, a sense of fun and chatting/comradely. That is is. There is no 'blame' there is no 'anger' it is purely for entertainment, enjoyment and community.

Meninist is a joke. It is purely a parody of feminism. Some people identify with it, purely to piss others off and get a reaction, because when you flip the genders for feminist talking points (as the point of Meninist does and is) then it frustrates many who see it. It doesn't actually exist as a group, because all it is is a word and a joke. Nothing more. Again, no 'blame' or 'anger', it is a joke.
Norithics
2 months, 2 weeks ago
" ZeloxQuo wrote:
Gamers are just there for enjoyment of games, a sense of community, a sense of fun and chatting/comradely. That is is. There is no 'blame' there is no 'anger' it is purely for entertainment, enjoyment and community.


Hahaha yeah, unless you:
- Give a game a bad review score
- Analyze the narratives within said games
- Review games but play one poorly
- Make games that don't appeal directly to men or
- Play games in a way that appeals directly to men

Then the anger comes out, and it's red-hot. Maybe you don't act that way, but self-identified 'Gamers' definitely have.

" Meninist is a joke. It is purely a parody of feminism.


Sorry, but you're wrong here- 'Meninist' is a gag term but MRAs and MGTOWs are 100% serious and have written papers. Unfortunately the few people who are serious about the activism are outnumbered by those who just want to yell at Feminists all day.
ZeloxQuo
2 months, 2 weeks ago
Hahaha yeah, unless you:

Nicely cherry picked. Doesn't make my point any less true though.
I mean, if someone called furry a community and group where people who are just there for enjoyment of games, a sense of community, a sense of fun and chatting/comradely. That is is. There is no 'blame' there is no 'anger' it is purely for entertainment, enjoyment and community. I would agree with it. Others might not. They might point out the paedophile gangs that are in furry and have raped others. The bestiality that is significantly around the subculture. The way that the subculture ganged up on different figures and forced them to pretty much block every furry on social media. Yeah. Cherry picked point can indeed be found about any group.

But still, lets have a look at these cherry picked things that you posted.
- Give a game a bad review score - Yes, there are assholes in every group, doesn't make the group completely full of assholes, much like how furry isn't completely full of paedophiles and bestiality types.
- Analyze the narratives within said games - This one doesn't have a link, so am unsure as to the point you are trying to make.
- Review games but play one poorly - Well yeah, it is fine to make fun of someone who is a professional game reviewer who cannot quickly grasp concepts in a new game. It is their job to review things and quickly grasp concepts in the medium in which they are a professional, who is paid to review and play games. Don't really see the issue there.
- Make games that don't appeal directly to men or - Gone Home is pretty average, and people made fun of that due to the ideological views that were put into it. Not sure the point you are trying to make here. That people make jokes, yes they do.
- Play games in a way that appeals directly to men - Not sure why that is an issue. They are trying to make money by showing off things that will make them money. Why is this a point about gamers apparently being horrible? That people who watch games, who aren't necessarily gamers, but enjoy watching others play games are somehow bad, and this in turn makes gamers bad..? That is a really strange point.

Sorry, but you're wrong here- 'Meninist' is a gag term but MRAs and MGTOWs are 100% serious and have written papers.

I am not wrong here. Those are three separate groups that you are lumping in together.
There is:
Meninist, the joke.
The MRM (Men's Rights Movement) that is comprised of MRAs (Men's Rights Advocates/Activists).
MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way).

These are three separate groups. And separate things. And yes the MRM has written papers, and has many different sites that deal with the various issues that men face in society.

Unfortunately the few people who are serious about the activism are outnumbered by those who just want to yell at Feminists all day.

People can do both. And, those who yell at feminists might not even be a part of those three groups you mentioned earlier anyway.
Norithics
2 months, 2 weeks ago
" ZeloxQuo wrote:
Yes, there are assholes in every group


That. Is. The. Point.
Most people who play games aren't a problem because they're not incredibly weird about it, and being "A Gamer" isn't a Really Important aspect of their lives. People who desperately need the label are emotionally compromised and will do crazy things in the name of whatever that label is. This is the thing I've been trying to get you to understand. Do you get it now?
ZeloxQuo
2 months, 2 weeks ago
No, because different people use labels and identifiers in different ways.

I was a gamer, and a tabletop gamer, for years. That identifier, being a part of that group, identifying yourself as a part of that group, would speed conversation and make interacting with others who also identified as a part of that group faster and easier. In one sentence you can convey so much information to others who are a part of that group after you and they have identified yourselves. It is a community.

Every group has communities. And names. And they can identify themselves to say what they like, how they like it, and speed up conversation. Otherwise we are all just humans. And cannot talk about our interests quickly and easily by identifying with groups about said interests. There would be no point to being furry, heavy metal rockers, weeaboos everything. None of it matters. Don't label yourself. Don't label others. Don't identify with your likes and interests. Herp a derp.

It would be like saying. Don't call yourself a furry. Don't be a part of the furry community. Why do you even talk about furry? It is just a group. You don't need a label. Etc...

That has just as much justification that you are putting into this.
Norithics
2 months, 2 weeks ago
Phew, I spelled it out and you still swung and missed. Welp, can't be helped.
PrawoJazdy
2 months, 1 week ago
I think the disconnect here is Nori isn't calling out gamers specifically, or even really a subset of gamers. He's calling out label-clingers, which includes the people whom he, in your words, cherry-picked above.

But I don't want to put words in his mouth, so I'll stop rehashing here. I just hope you might be able to look at this from a different angle.
ZeloxQuo
2 months, 1 week ago
Oh no I do understand that people who NEED to label themselves can seem desperate and frustrating.

That they NEED the label, even if it doesn't actually fit, to FEEL like they fit in somewhere.

I just disagree that labels are somehow inherently bad because of the few people who abuse it. Because otherwise labels assist in classifying and understanding someone, and how they see themselves.
PrawoJazdy
2 months, 1 week ago
" ZeloxQuo wrote:
I just disagree that labels are somehow inherently bad because of the few people who abuse it.

Ah. Well, Nori was not claiming that. At any point.
ZeloxQuo
2 months, 1 week ago
Yes I do understand that, they even stated the following: People who desperately need the label are emotionally compromised and will do crazy things in the name of whatever that label is.

And I agree that people who desperately need to have a label are definitely emotionally compromised and have difficulty dealing with things. And will probably be more prone to doing crazy/stupid things in the name of said label.

But I also think that labels are important and necessary. And, that the concept of someone desperately needing a label wasn't portrayed so effectively in the image posted. I do agree with the concept. But the way it was put forward easily, as seen in the comments, could be taken a completely separate way. As if Gamer and Meninist are somehow bad, because it lead up to White supremacist. Which definitely is.
PrawoJazdy
2 months, 1 week ago
...
...did you understand that before you two had the ridiculous discussion, or at some other point? Because throughout, the way you debated Nori on this unintended reading made it sound like you thought he did hold that position. I guess if you were saying the author had a responsibility to minimize unintended readings, that is a defensible position.

But it may also be ironic (or not, if it's too convoluted; YMMV). You yourself failed to minimize an unintended reading (that Nori was taking/expressing a certain stance), thus obscuring your intended reading (that the comic has an unfortunate, if unintended, reading).
ZeloxQuo
2 months, 1 week ago
At the end of the conversation, after re-reading it. Is when I had that realisation.

You yourself failed to minimize an unintended reading (that Nori was taking/expressing a certain stance), thus obscuring your intended reading (that the comic has an unfortunate, if unintended, reading).

Yep. It was my fault. I still stand by what I said. However I do also understand what was being gotten at by Nori. And, unfortunately in the heat of the moment during the discussion earlier missed that point until after the end, essentially.
slashD89
2 months, 1 week ago
then I'll ask does that minority speak for the entirety of gamers? Because if that is the case how much would said individual have to disown those cretins (trust me i can stand people who get angry at the opinion of a reviewer) also for the boob streamer why bring them up the vast majority of the community hate these people and only horndogs really ever go to their streams

as for the whole "MRAs and MGTOWs are 100% serious and have written papers. Unfortunately the few people who are serious about the activism are outnumbered by those who just want to yell at Feminists all day." its somewhat true there are a lot of channels devoted to that and while it is funny to laugh at low hanging fruit its not really productive at the end of the day because most of their adversaries have connections to powerful people  

" there's no possible agreement to be made on the breakdown between MGTOWs and MRAs and it's not really especially important to the point because you understood the implication."

I did but i know a mgtow or 2 as well as a few mras and the only thing they come to any kind of agreement on is marriage

Plz don't consider it an attack because when i ask or put something out it almost always gets people's jimmies rustled
Norithics
2 months, 1 week ago
" slashD89 wrote:
then I'll ask does that minority speak for the entirety of gamers?


See you've got this completely wrong. Those people don't speak for all gamers. Those people speak for all people who loudly identify as Gamers. There's a difference. It's like the difference between a dude who says "I'm Gay and I'm proud!!" and dresses in rainbow mesh halter tops and speaks with an artificial lisp- you know that guy is desperate and fake, and putting on airs because he needs something to shape his identity. Whereas if you find out casually, you know that guy is normal, and probably somewhat well-adjusted.

That's what I'm saying. Most people who need the Gamer label that badly are desperate and more likely to be the ones to do all the ridiculous shit because they're pathological about it, whereas most people who play video games are... just the gamut of normal people you can encounter. Video games are so ubiquitous that claiming an identity around them is unnecessary, because it isn't weird to like them. You see what I'm saying?
slashD89
2 months, 1 week ago
ah i might have overthink that
Labyrias
2 months, 1 week ago
He was never happy- that's the point. He kept applying labels to himself to chase away the feelings of existential dread, but no label was ever going to do that. With frustration comes anger, with anger comes blame, and when you need someone to blame, there's always a new label that's happy to take you into their fold.

HAHAHAHAHA. Oh hell. I love this.
I have got only one question: Do you realize that you have successfully described everyone in the current social climate?
You described feminists with this. You described leftists, you described those on the right. You have successfully described everyone in the LGBTQ+-/*FSGDFSAYMS community and all of the rights groups in social justice in general.
Then those who are against them.

It is truly amusing to see something like this. My heart leaps with joy at the sight of such amounts of irony contained in such a small space.
Norithics
2 months, 1 week ago
" Labyrias wrote:
I have got only one question: Do you realize that you have successfully described everyone in the current social climate?


Easy there Top Keks, I explained that this is true of Leftist spaces like a post up if you'd bothered to read that. Not that it's even indicative of all social spaces like you seem to think- it's just an aspect of a certain amount of the population. They need something to identify with and they go insane about it.
YukiAkuma
2 months, 2 weeks ago
"Gamer" as an identity label has always been weird to me. It's not as if everyone who watches movies identifies as a "movie watcher", or everyone who reads a lot of books identifies as a "reader". Why are videogames special?

Everyone plays videogames, anyway. More than people watch movies or read books, even.
ZeloxQuo
2 months, 2 weeks ago
'Gamer' as a label makes perfect sense to me. Mostly due to growing up in the 90s. And that different groups at school formed. The 'Gamer' group were the outcasts who didn't fit in with the other groups. They were the ones who primarily played games, either solo games or online games.

They were the ones who played games rather than sports and things like that. Then you also have the 'tabletop gamers' and the 'artists' and the 'jocks' and the 'sports nerds' and etc... each group has a name that is common enough to describe pretty much anyone who is involved. But anyone who is involved isn't necessarily a part of the group itself.

That is the way that these things work.

Also, it isn't just videogames that are special. Tabletop games also have the same title, but with tabletop in front of it. Heh. I was a part of the gamer and tabletop gamer groups in high school, and stayed a part of both of those communities to this day. Sure, real life, adult stuff and other things have gotten in the way a lot more. So am no way near as active in either of those groups now. But the names and the groups still remain, and I still happily say "I used to be a gamer, but haven't been so active lately, looking forward to getting back into it, I was more specifically a twitch gamer, mostly first person shooters." and then others who have had a similar background instantly know the kind of games I played and what is going on. That one sentence describes a huge volume of information without saying all that much.
 
YukiAkuma
2 months, 2 weeks ago
So basically a "Gamer" is someone who has nothing else to define their identity other than which clique they were in during school?

Wow. Okay.

Man that must suck for everyone I grew up with in the 90s, because in my experience literally everyone played videogames. Even the "jocks". Especially after the Playstation launched, man... Everyone and their mother had a Playstation.
ZeloxQuo
2 months, 2 weeks ago
Nope. You are misinterpreting what I said. Pretty far as well.

Didn't say that at all. Said that the name came from those times, and stuck. But I guess that the name defines the group for you huh? All of the rest of that information presented to you, ignored.

So, yeah.
YukiAkuma
2 months, 2 weeks ago
Yes, I am in fact intentionally misinterpreting what you said in order to communicate the idea that identifying yourself based on your hobbies is a thing children do.

You are not your hobbies. You should be more complex than that.

Saying "I'm a gamer" is no more convenient than saying "I play videogames", so it even fails as a useful label to ease communication.
ZeloxQuo
2 months, 2 weeks ago
Yeesh. Why would you even call yourself a furry?

I mean, everyone likes animals.

Why would you identify yourself based on your hobbies, that is a thing children do.

Saying "I'm a furry" is no more convenient than saying "I like animals", so it even fails as a useful label to ease communication.
YukiAkuma
2 months, 2 weeks ago
Being a furry isn't the same thing as liking animals, I also think the label "furry" is pretty stupid, and I don't consider myself a furry anyway.

Nice try, though.

Edit: Oh, and I don't think fetishes count as hobbies, either. Not that I think you should really define your identity by those, either...
GabrielLaVedier
2 months, 1 week ago
Fixation on high school cliques and statuses is something that it seen a lot in the Incel "movement" and is usually a good indicator of an Incel post. But it's not new. Obsession and glorification of high school success or the fixated lamenting of high school failure is a perpetual obsession at least after people started making nostalgia bait media to make those days mean something  (in prior generations it was college, you hear a lot of 30s and 40s songs about college football glory or college sweethearts or college camaraderie). It's not hard to see why, with puberty raging, hormones swirling and an attempt to establish a place in a changing context. A lot of ideas about personality and personal preference emerge there as they mean something concrete. Even so, people keep changing and maturing into their 20s, so... high school is just a place. A lot of things can point out the modern American obsession, but see any movie about football in high school. For a look at what that does to people, watch Napoleon Dynamite and check out his Uncle Rico and his obsession with high school football glory.
PrawoJazdy
2 months, 1 week ago
CCing you:
How do you feel about "foodie"? Even more people eat.
ZeloxQuo
2 months, 1 week ago
Not sure where the conversation has gone the last few days.

I have no problems with labels that people put on themselves. Often times labels assist in classifying the individual faster, and if they want to use such labels on themselves, they find it an appropriate classification for their likes/interests/self.

So, no problem with it.
Labyrias
2 months, 1 week ago
""Gamer" as an identity label has always been weird to me. It's not as if everyone who watches movies identifies as a "movie watcher", or everyone who reads a lot of books identifies as a "reader". Why are videogames special?"

Gamer as a label is created by those who still push a negative bias against gaming. Who view such things as childish, unproductive, who would try and push political and ideological messages into something that is by its very definition devoid of such concepts.
That is why "gamer" as a label exists.

Also to shed some light on a misconception here: Being a gamer is the reverse of an identity, because essentially its the lack of one.
We are all just nicknames without a face assigned to it. No gender, no ideology, no faith, no nationality, no nothing. We all gather and play games without ever having to touch on these things unless we specifically want to do so.
We are united by the simple wish to play.
YukiAkuma
2 months, 1 week ago
You are essentially glorifying the notion of not caring about anything important. You're talking about a complete dissolution of self identity to just focus on what makes you happy. So is being a "Gamer" some form of hedonistic nihilism or something?

Yes, you should absolutely care about what makes you happy, but only caring about what makes you happy is pretty unhealthy, man.

As a side note, it's impossible not to comment politically when making a videogame. Art and media are all about commenting politically. Even if you don't set out to do so, your beliefs about how the world works and/or should work are going to end up in anything you write, unless you intentionally write something you don't believe in. Which is, you know, still a political statement.
PrawoJazdy
2 months, 1 week ago
CCing you:
How do you feel about "foodie"? Even more people eat.
Superelectric
2 months, 1 week ago
Yeah, I feel like "Gamer" might have made sense as a label roughly 20-25 years ago, when the "video games are for children" perception was just starting to be challenged in the mainstream. But today? It's much more weird for a person under 50 in the developed world to NOT be a gamer of some kind. I'm a gamer. You're a gamer. People who are training for professional Street Fighter tournaments are gamers, but so are wine moms who play Bejweled on their phones. Women who make youtube videos about sexism in pop culture are gamers. My 4 year old niece who plays touchscreen games on her parents' tablet is a gamer. It's just a part of people's lives now. It makes no sense to define yourself by video games, unless you're a game developer, professional competitor, or otherwise make a living off of them.
PrawoJazdy
2 months, 1 week ago
How do you feel about "foodie"? Even more people eat.
XMarcus101X
2 months, 2 weeks ago
I've found that if one has to get extreme in the pride he/she feels for any claimed identity, then that person never was truly proud of what they claimed to be.

All their insecurities and doubts bubble and boil to the surface in the form of isolationism (so that others like them will insulate them from introspective thought) and violence (so that the perceived 'enemy' will have fear of engaging them).
ElfenSciuridae
2 months, 2 weeks ago
Never a "LIKE" Button around to press when I need one. That first sentence is Spot On!
ElfenSciuridae
2 months, 2 weeks ago
How can you be a "White Nationalist" if you're green?

I'm in the view point of anyone can do what ever they do in the privacy of their lives (like the bedroom) as long as it does hurt others or break laws. Want to wear white hoods and burn crosses, do it over there because if you do on my front lawn somebody's going to get hit wth the pressurized water hose. And if you dare complain about it, say it to the two barrels of my shotgun because YOU ARE ON MY PROPERTY WITHOUT MY INVITATION AND I'M GOING TO DEFEND MY HOME AS I SEE FIT! But if you would have burned your cross over there away from everyone's property, we would have sat down, observe it and talked about theories why stupid people do stupid shit.

I do not care what people are. I gave up caring and pointing wrongness DECADES ago because they do not care. The only thing I can say is I'm still a live and most of them are dead, so do the math. Then decide if one wants to continue to do wrong because they see it fit for them.
thestooge
2 months, 2 weeks ago
I don't fully grasp the gamer one.
Soltra
2 months, 1 week ago
It's a reference to Gamer Gate. And while i'm not going to get into that, I've seen several people use gamer gate as a jumping point into more Alt-Right topics, and it's gotten to the point a lot of Gamer Gate boards are just Alt-right.

Like Kotakuinaction on reddit. They are saying they wont buy the new South Park game because it implies that if you are born black, you have a harder life in America, something they don't believe because it's to much of a 'Leftist' idea
Lost
2 months, 1 week ago
I feel like I can write a journal about this kind of identity crisis.

Everyone wants to feel unique in the world and that they matter in some way to the bigger picture or at the very least stand out from the crowd in a superioristic fashion. This leads a lot of VERY misguided people into adopting some kind of minority label just for the novelty of it.

The problem is, while some labels are relatively benign, like calling yourself a gamer when all you've played is Super Mario Run, or a nerd when you were the average student and you have no particular knowledge base, or a dog lover when you've never even pet one, other labels are very much not and carry a lot of bad history behind them. Meninists, or MRA groups, aren't really about anything related to men or rights, but rather bashing women and calling them all disparaging things like money-grubbing sluts.

White nationalist groups are even worse, because they have an active and malicious agenda. I don't know how many of those people at the Charlottesville riots were actually fully part of the white supremacy movement, but it doesn't really matter at this point. What matters is that they were photographed as being at those riots on the wrong side. Even if they were there for the sake of novelty, they've been lumped inextricably with the actual white supremacists and ostracized from normal society. And that may have been the true objective of whoever orchestrated it.

In this era of camera phones everywhere, why did the KKK march out without their hoods when they did so over a century ago, before all that technology, to hide their identity? Obviously the standard rabble doesn't think about this, but whoever is in charge probably knew, and now they have a whole heap of people who will come further into the fold because they have nowhere else to go.

That's the insidiousness behind all of this label searching. Malicious groups actively search for the weak and insecure who struggle to find a purpose or identity and treat them with that sense of validation. That indoctrination is a hell of a drug, and once you get hooked on it, it's almost impossible to quit.

And believe it or not, the Entropy is making it even more difficult.
Saglinger
2 months, 1 week ago
IIRC, while Mens Rights Activists are a real thing, Meninists are actually a conscious parody of feminism..
Norithics
2 months, 1 week ago
Yep, made reference to this higher up the thread.
Last69Skullz
2 months, 1 week ago
Feels bad, man
Labyrias
2 months, 1 week ago
What puzzles me every time i see something like this is why the artist picks only on one side.
Is it too hard for you to see the broad picture? I mean its not like the entire "white nationalist" bs got momentum after several groups like antifa not only kept up their bs narratives of whites needed to go, but also thought it would be nice and cozy to just show up at any event with clubs, shields and bottles of piss to "bash the fash".
Before the holy crusade of the regressive retards on the left, the alt-right literally didnt exist, and those who actually kept at it were ridiculed and denounced by everyone. Now there is a climate where their existence is actually legitimate. Congratulations on your successful resurrection of the alt-right.

I have no idea about your political views, your knowledge about the topic, the scope of your views and/or impressions, so i will refrain from judging you personally, however: Art like this ticks me off, simply because its your typical, never learn from your mistakes, one sided, typical ignorant human bs bathed in stupidity.
Lets judge and ridicule the other side, but never turn around to see that just 2 steps behind your back there are the EXACT same idiots, doing the EXACT same things with a different motivation.


Norithics
2 months, 1 week ago
How much do I know about this?

Sit down, son, it's time for a lesson.

White Supremacy ain't new- you know that much. But what you don't seem to understand is that they weren't clubbed into a hole somewhere until memes were invented; the entirety of the problem was and is that White Supremacy has been part of the fabric of this country since the South lost, and it never. Went. Away.

D'you know why we have Confederate monuments? They weren't erected to commemorate soldiers- those memorials exist in, surprise, graveyards, not town squares- they were made in the 30s to show "uppity negroes" that they were still on bottom and better not get too fresh with the good white folk. Desegregation, Civil Rights, every time there was a victory for the well-being of the Black American, it was countered spitefully- not by individuals shunned by the majority, but by moneyed elites and state officials. You know, the people with all the power. Fast forward to today, and you see the Stars and Bars flown in every white corner of the South with all kinds of idiotic aplomb.

What does that have to do with White Supremacy? Everything. Those symbols matter to people who use the 'n' word in everyday conversation, and they aren't just ancient relics- they're the family of those relics, who are careful and mindful in public, but freewheeling in their hatred of "the coloreds and the queers" in Great-Grandma's House. How do I know? Because it was my Great-Grandma. Everyone in the fam-damily couldn't believe that "a n****r is in the goddamn White House" for the two terms he was in it, and let's just say that this opinion didn't make them unpopular with their neighbors. Hell, I saw a hip young 20-something couple, relatives of mine, use Lilo & Stitch toys to try to teach racism to a baby. Surely this was in some backwater, right? Nah, son. The state Capital.

Read a little bit about Greenwood. Google Nixon's Southern Strategy. Learn a little bit about the War On Drugs and who that was supposed to hurt- and the effects it still has today. And think about all the politicians who want that to keep on because it helps them politically, among resentful Whites.

White Nationalism has never gone away. It got quiet, it held a firm grip on power, and this bunch of pasty dickasses holding tiki torches is just the latest in a long, long, LONG line of degenerates to keep the flame alive.

So tell me again about the stupid college kids in black masks and how they're equal to a political movement that's festered in the halls of power for longer than your parents remember.
Labyrias
2 months, 1 week ago
White Supremacy ain't new- you know that much. [...] White Supremacy has been part of the fabric of this country since the South lost, and it never. Went. Away.
Cannot relate. You surely cant eradicate a viewpoint completely, but your example is the same with commuism, or religious fanaticism, or homosexuals, or or or or or. There is no end to things that "has been part of the fabric" of any and all countries and "it never. went. away."

D'you know why we have Confederate monuments?
Probably for the same reason we have monuments of communist dictators and the heroics and sacrifices of good ol invading armies.
Its part of the history of your country. Not even essentially part of your PERSONAL history. Its part of the country's history you live in.

[...]they were made in the 30s to show "uppity negroes" that they were still on bottom and better not get too fresh with the good white folk.
A statue is an art piece. Subjective in its nature.
Unless you can show me a statue that unmistakably endorses the notion of keeping blacks as slaves, i will tend to say that this oddly specific viewpoint of yours is something that you have decided on and you have chosen to interpret as such.

As i mentioned, we have statues of communist dictators in parks, while by our county's laws its punishable to deny the atrocities they have committed or to endorse them.
Is that a contradiction? Or is it more that these statues are merely reminders?

What does that have to do with White Supremacy? Everything.
I respectfully disagree. It has everything to do with it only if you have decided to interpret it as such.

Read a little bit about Greenwood. Google Nixon's Southern Strategy. Learn a little bit about the War On Drugs and who that was supposed to hurt- and the effects it still has today. And think about all the politicians who want that to keep on because it helps them politically, among resentful Whites.
The problem with literature is that you can justify any viewpoint.
Literally. Damn. ANY. Viewpoint. You will have people who wrote, thought and said this. You will have people who wrote, thought and said the opposite, and ironically enough: Both parties had some legitimate claims.

I see rationality in not picking sides, but maintaining an all encompassing viewpoint and an open mind.
That is why art such as yours is bothersome from my viewpoint, for it does not show the entire problem. It shows how one problem child views another problem-child, and with that we are down to nursery style who did what and who was first.

White Nationalism has never gone away. It got quiet, it held a firm grip on power, and this bunch of pasty dickasses holding tiki torches is just the latest in a long, long, LONG line of degenerates to keep the flame alive.
Yeah, its the same with women in the usa i recon. They had never gotten rights, they are not to be considered as equal human beings... OH WAIT.

God honestly. This is about as humorous as having talks about how oppressed homosexuals are today.
Yeah well, its just that you have been granted basically all legality and you do not have to fear for your life at each town's border thinking that they gonna simply hang you, but hey: White supremacy exists because some redneck fck you have in the congress said so.
Its a detail that you have so many insane individuals in your congress that you could rename it to an asylum, but lets be specific because "SOME" are kinda white leaning.

So tell me again about the stupid college kids in black masks and how they're equal to a political movement that's festered in the halls of power for longer than your parents remember.
I guess beating random people on the streets is okay then? You know, based on some nebulous idea of some nebulous political movement in the nebulous halls of nebulous power? Oh and statues.
Dont forget statues. They are racist and supremacist too and i know i perceive them as such.
Norithics
2 months, 1 week ago
Holy fuck dude.
You're staring history and factual information in the face and wishing it away. And you're doing it under the guise of rationalism! That's... that's amazing. I didn't think that kind of cognitive dissonance was possible.

Pull your head out of your ass.
Labyrias
2 months, 1 week ago
And? The statues of communist dictators have been built to show the greatness of communism and the oh so great leaders.
What did you think who they have been built by and by whom?
You show me a graph that most of these statues have been built by the people who firmly believed in such ideals AND THEN LOST, AND THEN WE PROGRESSED INTO A DIFFERENT SOCIETY.

You are living in a fantasy in which these statues relay a valid political message which "real" alt-righters hold and society by tomorrow just might decide that it reverses into putting blacks into slavery.
And that is a rational standpoint in your opinion?
Do you god honestly think, that this will happen?
Because if your fantasy is THIS wild, why not turn around and look over the masses behind your back which by now set a city aflame and assault people on a near daily basis. You know: Fascism.

If you want to play fantasy games with "what if" ideologies then pick one with the most precedent at least, and as it stands, the chances of a fascist sjw attempt of overthrowing the government are monumentally higher than blacks being put back in the cotton fields.

PLEASE CORRECT ME IF YOU THINK THAT IM WRONG.

If not, can we agree on the fact that blacks are not in danger of going back to slavery? Mainly because we would have to abolish democracy and basically all of our laws for that to happen? You know. Regressing back into anarchy or dictatorships at best?
And if you can agree on that:
How about simply acknowledging the fact that the graph you linked has absolutely no meaning?
Those statues were built by white supremacists just like our statues have been built by communists after they occupied our country.
You know whats the common theme here?
Its the past. Its a memory. Its a reminder.
Its not a prophecy of the future. Its not a place of worship for people who somehow got stuck in those ideologies of long past.

And you know the irony of all of this? You make it out to be real.
You give these views validity.
Just like the alt-left that has kept on crying alt-right for so long that it has actually appeared and people now think that its an existing, valid point of view and yes yes yes... you can tell me how it never actually died, just like neo-nazis still exist in germany to date, but you see. They have been ridiculed by all. Never taken seriously by anyone and in fact when taken seriously, actually hunted and punished.
Now? Now thinking like yours has turned this into a match of valid ideas. Because apparently those statues are not the past. Not a display of a regressive, old ideology, not something we stepped over a long long time ago.
No.
Its something that is valid, that people in secret think of. Its a valid and legit way of seeing things and we must stand up against it by (antifa style) attacking random people and radicalizing everybody, helping the right to gain followers.
Norithics
2 months, 1 week ago
You say I'm living in the past, but the only injustices you can perceive are mirror matches with what's been done before.
These people would literally have to repeal the Emancipation Proclamation for you to see anything wrong with the way Blacks are treated in the US.
You know they're counting on that, right? They love you. They adore people like you. You do all their footwork for them, refuting the clear reality and making it so that, oh, there couldn't be any racism because nobody's literally in chains yet.

I tell you about people I interacted with on the daily who believe that Blacks are inferior, who voted in a big bloc to further Whites and keep Blacks down, and what do you say? "Fantasy!" And oh what a fantasy it is, to see them use their 'Town Voices' so as to seem respectable when they weren't in 'friendly company.' But I guess I must have hallucinated all that unbelievable personal and systemic racism. Yeah! Sure! Makes sense. Sounds like a rational conclusion.

Jesus christ.
Superelectric
2 months, 1 week ago
Honestly, Nori, I have to give you props for the passionate and highly informed counterarguments you bust out during times like these. I don't think I would have the energy, especially given that a lot of the time people just dig in and ignore all your points.

But anyway, here's the thing with the "living in the past" argument: in every generation since the Civil War (and likely some before it) people have made the argument that white supremacy is "over" and people who want to fight it are stuck in the past. They always point to some specific achievement and announce that racism is dead because a Good Thing happened. Racism is over because a black man is president, or because we ended segregation, or because we freed the slaves. And if anyone points to some other injustice, the movements achievements get shoved in their face.

When Martin Luther King marched through the streets, people called him a violent thug and demanded he be arrested. What's that crazy man talking about? Doesn't he know we freed the slaves? That means racism is over!

The KKK is an object lesson here. They murdered thousands of black people in the early 20th century. People got fed up and fought back, shaming and exposing members. Then the Klan went away, and the prevailing knowledge became that the Klan was history, that it's never coming back, and anyone worried about them is living in the past. No need to be vigilant, no need to call out people who speak fondly of the Klan. It's gone forever, right?

But then, after World War II, it came back. And they've survived ever since managing to get members into police forces, into political office, into high-ranking business positions. It's easy when no one's standing watch against them.

And now we see the same trajectory happening with Nazis.

Their greatest weapon is the complacency of people who want to embrace the comfortable lie that hatred is a thing of the past. Or that anyone fighting them is somehow their equivalent. So long as people believe that, bigotry always has a future.
Norithics
2 months, 1 week ago
True, the fuck, that.
Milkie
2 months, 1 week ago
Fucking Megacentrists, man. Jeeeesus.
Chaytel
2 months, 1 week ago
I'm going to choke on your pretentiousness. Shut the fuck up you pseudo-intellectual tool. If you were half as smart as you think you are you'd grasp the fact that your smug self-righteousness that drips from every word that carelessly casts itself from your mouth makes everyone around you hate you. The people arguing with you aren't inferior to you, they're your goddamn equals and guess what? By and large, they're capable of being just as knowledgeable as you are if not more so.

What the fuck are you doing with your life? No one is going to accept you or love you like this. Do you think this earns you respect? No, it earns you contempt. Do you want to live a life without meaning, pointlessly shrieking into the void, so self absorbed and faux-rational that nothing will ever matter for you? If you keep on like this, the world isn't going to miss you, or mourn you, or even know your passing. You'll be gone, and buried someday, and the world with thunder right over your grave like you were never there, forgotten forever.

Be a better human being. Get help if you need help, or talk to someone about this because god's sake, man, you are so hideously misguided and damaged. I know you're just going to probably ignore this and go on, probably with some additional misinformed attempt at being the glowing rational ideal and the moral paragon you project, but I genuinely feel a deep sorrow and pity for you.
Soltra
2 months, 1 week ago
What ever happens, never blame the Right for their actions. It's always the left at fault. Remember that, always the left. Just keep repeating it. Always the left, always the left, always the left...
Sandbot
2 months, 1 week ago
Why do people feel an inherent need for attention or acceptance anyways?
Norithics
2 months, 1 week ago
That's just human nature.
It's just a matter of how you get it.
Labyrias
2 months, 1 week ago
Hmm... the extent of it is modified by your insecurity though.
Most LGBTQ issues i see are a result of people not being able to accept them self for who they are.
If i was at peace with who i am, i couldnt give less of a f what pronoun people add to me or how people view me.

Sure. Its all human nature wanting to be accepted. We are instinctively driven to that. However, there is a chasm between wanting to get accepted and buying into all sorts of sht to get yourself recognized, such as snowflake warriros do these days.
TheLunatic25
2 months, 1 week ago
That is amazingly pot calling a kettle black, since why do you think folks join these White Supremacist groups? It's because they're buying into bullshit, and are wanting to be accepted.
Wolfknight777
2 months, 1 week ago
The amount of right wing bullshit as a response to this pretty funny post, is simultaneously hilarious and depressing. So many people missing the damn point.
Norithics
2 months, 1 week ago
There was actually way less than I anticipated.
Soltra
2 months, 1 week ago
I notice a lot of people talking about the 'middle ground' stance, or the 'both sides are bad' stance. While fine in theory, I think it has a lot of issues with downplaying the badness of the worse group and creating this feeling of hopelessness: If both are the same, why bother?

Problem is that not all things are equally bad. Often, one is FAR worse. It's the reason we have the phrase "Lesser of two evils", it's important to note the differences and not blanket them with the same phrase.

Antifa and the Alt-Right are good examples. While both are bad, only one has actually killed anyone. I think the Alt-Right like to overdo Antifas badness to try and draw moderates away from Antifa and more into the alt-right. Get told constantly that antifa is evil by the alt-right, the group that took you in, you are less likely to listen to antifa when they list the Alt-rights many flaws. Why would you listen to them? You've been told they are the great evil, and you don't like to be wrong.

Not sure if that all made sense, but that's my 2 cent
YukiAkuma
2 months, 1 week ago
It's not fine in theory. The "Golden Mean" is a blatant logical fallacy that people fall back on because they can't be bothered to actually think critically, and then pretend it somehow makes them rational instead of intellectually lazy.

So honestly go ahead. You're not criticising anyone who doesn't deserve criticism.
GabrielLaVedier
2 months, 1 week ago
If I could, I'd favorite this comment thrice.
Milkie
2 months, 1 week ago
Yeah, honestly, I've never seen a single middle-of-the-road type actually provide anything useful to any issue, piece, or argument.

Since they exist only to shut everything down, their inclusion in such matters is pretty pointless.
Kittybasket
2 months, 1 week ago
Rarest pepe
Superelectric
2 months, 1 week ago
I wish it were a lot rarer.
Kittybasket
2 months, 1 week ago
The more people see it the more common it gets :(
GabrielLaVedier
2 months, 1 week ago
Identity is a strange thing sometimes, especially for members of a majority. It's funny because it almost feels like being a majority makes them feel like they lack an identity. Look at Incel or WN posts and they cling the that identity rather than others they can claim like being very normal white, male, middle-class people, who are straight. It almost seems like having a majority identity is bland to them, that it means nothing because it's been socialized into the norm, like everyone is expected to be that and anyone different suddenly needs a label and these guys want a label. It leaks into them in various ways, from a Randroid perspective telling them to use their bland majority status as a way of securing capital and power to punish the world for not worshipping them, to a Salingerian nihilism that recurs with every lost generation of majority youth who feel they're too deep and beautiful for the world. Hedonistic Nihilism tends to be involved if they're sensation-seekers as opposed to full deniers of all pleasure and meaning.

Also, older white nationalists had some kind of excuse, the mystical notions about hollow earths filled with white supermen or Hyperborean paradises filled with white supermen or mystical ancient civilizations filled with white supermen. Is HBD and critically misused pop evopsych really sufficient as a base for this level of stupidity?
CodyFox
2 months, 1 week ago
This is very timely given the recent controversy surrounding Pewdiepie. He shouted the N-word at one of his enemies in Battleground and tons of his fans are coming forth to say why it's good for him to say it. I think if you read the comments of the articles and twitter discussions on it you will see the full range of Mr. Frog's identities there.
Norithics
2 months, 1 week ago
That was completely unintentional but superbly serendipitous. Still, I want off Mr. Froggy's Wild Ride.
typega
2 months, 1 week ago
*obligatory 4chan comment about autists*
Norithics
2 months, 1 week ago
Ironic that the crowd who invented using 'Autistic' as a generalized insult are in fact most likely to be Actually Autistic themselves.
typega
2 months, 1 week ago
*obligatory 4chan response referencing kek or reee*
Thatch
2 months, 1 week ago
Just feel like pointing this out: The White Supremacists and the Black Lives Matter Movement both play from the same book: The only difference is the color of the cover they use.

Identity Politics is Thought Cancer, regardless of who you're trying to support with it.
Norithics
2 months, 1 week ago
No. Nope. That's mindless centrist garbage so you don't actually have to understand the issues.
PrawoJazdy
2 months, 1 week ago
What Nori is too exasperated to say is that WS and BLM are not merely fighting for palette-swapped versions of the same thing. To state it with the slightest bit of nuance:

WS fear that Whites will stop being supreme, that nonwhites won't have to prove their worth any more than Whites. (Yes, Obama got the Presidency, but he's a much harder worker than Trump.)

BLM fear that Black lives will stop mattering, instead becoming disposable. (It's not currently as bad as their treatment in Blazing Saddles, but they are treated more harshly by police, who face insufficient repercussions.)
Norithics
2 months, 1 week ago
The aims are different, the demographics are different, the power dynamics are different, it just couldn't be more different.
PrawoJazdy
2 months, 1 week ago
CCing you:
How do you feel about "foodie"? Even more people eat (than play video or other games).
Kupok
2 months, 1 week ago
Thank you for posting this Nori. I've been out of touch with the Chans since they've all scattered-
But this has given me a lot of information.

Tinfoil hat me if you will-
But I'm pretty sure the current prevalence of the "Centrist" narrative is the right's version of a PR Disaster cleanup after the protests went very poorly, PR wise. I consider myself "Logical and Centrist." and yet the shit spewed by the likes of Labyrias nauseates me.

The right saw that everyone thinks white nationalism is a shit show, they can't elevate white nationalism above that perception, so the only recourse is to push that everyone is a shit show. I think I can safely say anyone taking on the kind of "HARD CENTERIST" views that Labyrias has is knowingly spreading or parroting right propaganda.
Norithics
2 months, 1 week ago
It's very easy to feel that way. Mostly due to the fact that it's so believable because it's so effective. They moved the Overton Window so far to the right that it's popular to be against progress of any kind.
Kupok
2 months, 1 week ago
Oh neat, I got to look up and research a new term :3!!
danail24
2 months, 1 week ago
A very relevant comic indeed. Pretty sweet! Here's my take on it:

Worst part is MRA has some good points as to how men are disadvantaged over women (mainly on lawful terms) and don't want to deny women's problems nor rights but the crazy radical feminazis don't want to engage in a dialogue, they just immediately call them sexists and go and shut their events down because only feminine problems matter, the rest is hate speech.

Same stuff with White Nationalists vs BLM. All BLM wants is more segregation from the others, special privileges to members of their race in the US, death to the police etc. And apparently anyone who opposes them is a White Supremacist Neo Nazi. Apparently it's encouraged if you say "I'm proud to be black" but if you're white and say "I'm proud of my race", you're a racist monster. These BLM are a bunch of race baiting white haters who use the victim card as a weapon instead of addressing the problems in their own black communities. Why am I writing this about them? Because they target white people specifically. And they even put a stupid ass list specifically for white people.
Norithics
2 months, 1 week ago
" danail24 wrote:
Worst part is MRA has some good points as to how men are disadvantaged over women (mainly on lawful terms)


From my experience engaging with the deeper thinkers within the MRM, the small core of people actually doing the activism and writing the think pieces on what really hurts men the most absolutely fucking hate the hangers-on to their movement who waste any time at all on Feminists, because the issues most prevalent to male suffering have nothing to do with women's rights, and every single one of them that vomits "feminazi" to relieve their childhood traumas at their mothers or ex-girlfriends sets the entire movement back years. Funny enough, that's how Feminist scholars feel about Tumblr kids who demand that all PIV intercourse be considered rape. As it turns out, you can't decide who carries your label, and they often get to decide what your movement is about to the world. You just learned about activism. *confetti*

" Same stuff with White Nationalists vs BLM.


Nope. They are not equal, and the fact that you think that is the result of a concerted effort to move the Overton Window to the right. There are multitudinous reasons why not- having to do with Racial Political History in this country, the militarization of police despite the fact that police fatalities have been trending downward for years, and the fact that White Supremacy has always had much, much more power in our political system thanks to things like Nixon's Southern Strategy- but most of all a complete cultural amnesia about the Civil Rights Movement. As it turns out, yeah, they had riots back then too. They weren't optimal and they did hurt their own communities, and people back then were all too happy to use these to discredit the idea of furthering society for Blacks. But when people have suffered for a long time and they can't get any justice, riots happen. Most pertinently, they are an indicator that positive reforms must happen or society will pull itself apart.

So to review, White Nationalists have on their side:
- The current President
- The Republican Party
- Old Judges
- Correctional Culture
- Power Structures from the South
- Old money
- Sympathy from the majority race in this country for their backwards arguments
- Powerful connected families, and
- Clueless Equivocating Centrists

And Black Lives Matter has:
- Entertainment Media
- The Democrats, sometimes, kind of, when they can bother to have a spine, and
- People who grasp History

Yeah, no offense, but there is no comparison. Sorry.
PsyChuan
2 months, 1 week ago
I'm glad you understand the MRM properly.
Nezumi
2 months ago
I've... personally never seen one of the deeper thinkers. Or... any Tumblr kids who suggest PIV intercourse is always rape. (Though I have seen a resurgence of toxic sex-negative feminism on Tumblr which is creepy and bad) I mean, A Voice for Men, which was, once upon a time, a major internet hub for the MRM, was all about attacking women and feminists, and Just Detention, which is addressing one of the huge men's human rights issues of our time, prison rape, wants nothing to do with the MRM. I... may have just not poked in the right spots, though?
Norithics
2 months ago
You gotta get through a whole lot of bullshit to reach any thoughts worth having. All in all it wasn't worth it at the time. I don't know if that's changed at all, but then again I gave up on it pretty quick.
Kryptchild
2 months, 1 week ago
I wana see the T-shirt he'll wear when he discovers the flat earther movement.
Norithics
2 months, 1 week ago
"I like my earth like I like my women: 2D! Sugoi!!"
OneManArmy
2 months, 1 week ago
I legit feel bad for Pepe.

Seriously, that frog started out as a guy who likes to pee with his pants down around his ankles... That's it... how it got here, I don't know.
Norithics
2 months, 1 week ago
The memesters got him, and they ruin everything they touch.
justvisitingg
2 months, 1 week ago
" Everyone in the fam-damily couldn't believe that "a n****r is in the goddamn White House" for the two terms he was in it, and let's just say that this opinion didn't make them unpopular with their neighbors


haha wow i often wonder what its like to exist with people like this in a family.
Norithics
2 months, 1 week ago
It sucks in a lot of really unique ways. Because they love you, but they're also horrible people. So like, 80% of the time they're doing all the things that a family should do, being all the things a family should be, and then the rest of the time they're reminding you why you can't totally love them back, and how fucking unfair it is of them to be that way and expect it from you. It's... ugh. It sucks.
Qxxx
2 months, 1 week ago
This, 100%. I started losing interest in online gaming around the time GamerGate happened.
Blackraven2
2 months, 1 week ago
hmm, looks more like a green to me
Goivanni
2 months, 1 week ago
I am really unsure how they still got something like that to be affiliated with all of those things.
Mezzanine
2 months, 1 week ago
...so this is like blaming leftists for gamers becoming white nationalists? even though shockingly 99% of gamers managed to not do that? those are some crazy mental gymnastics your brain must be toned as fuck
Norithics
2 months, 1 week ago
Wow, projecting!
Mezzanine
2 months, 1 week ago
i dont think that word means what u think it means
Norithics
2 months, 1 week ago
I don't think this comic means what you think it means.
Mezzanine
2 months, 1 week ago
if im wrong then clarify
PrawoJazdy
2 months, 1 week ago
Look, just because the foxgirl said "Shoulda" doesn't mean she's at fault or taking the blame. The girls are just a Greek chorus providing commentary, which here amounts to "this frog is the sort to cling to ridiculous labels, the latest of which is also awful."
Norithics
2 months, 1 week ago
What Prawo said.
It's not our fault these people went nuts, it's the fault of an establishment that's disenfranchised everyone but the super-rich, and this has finally dawned on dudes who feel like they have no identity or future- they just blamed it on completely the wrong thing because they're gullible and wanted to feel special.

Also I'm a massive SJW so it would be pretty weird for me to blame the Left for this.
Mezzanine
2 months, 1 week ago
wow sorry i'm inept, im just so used to like the whole "well you've been calling them nazis for so long what did you expect!!!" argument that that's how i interpreted this. i totally agree with this though.

yeah white nationalists are basically a bunch of vulnerable white dudes with no identity/direction in life that get manipulated by ppl like richard spencer who put a shiny coat of paint on fascism and rebranded it. it worries me a lot because these people are INCREDIBLY good at making themselves look the victim and making their cause look legitimate, and that's why the whole "well why not just give them a chance to speak" rhetoric concerns me, because they're not gonna be true to their actual intentions.
Norithics
2 months, 1 week ago
I understand. Everything's ridiculous right now, and the hordes of apologists for this kind of crap are unceasing.
socun5
2 months, 1 week ago
why doesn't everyone just have separate countries goddamn

should be a country to accommodate everyone of a particular viewpoint, you can feed and provide energy to a lotta people on a shockingly small amount of land these days

theres only like 5 opinions nowadays so 5 countries ought to do it
Milkie
2 months ago
White Supremacists want their own country.

The problem is they want that country to be America.

America, who opened their flood gates for immigrant workers to flock in and build their country. America, who treated these immigrants like crap. America, who caved and gave them equal rights that they still fight for to this very day.

They somehow believe they've done something to earn America. Even though they were the ones who robbed the indigenous peoples of America, by taking their land and shunting them onto reserves. They weren't even here first, and yet they want to make it their White Homeland.

So, really, they're all for your idea of splitting off into countries. They just wanna kick everyone off the one they live on to do it.
socun5
2 months ago
there's a lot of non-america countries in the world, many of which are based on land stolen 1000 or 2000 years ago instead of merely 400 years ago

and a lot of land that only became habitable recently thanks to modern technology, where no humans have settled in recorded history.

so, easily enough room for several japan-sized countries, where all the political types can go and leave normal people alone
Norithics
2 months ago
"Political types" gave you:
- Civil Rights
- Hour limits on labor
- Weekends
- Firefighters
- Requirements that food not be poisoned
- Consumer protections
- Infrastructure for virtually every utility you use
- Basically the foundation of your entire modern life that you somehow think just appeared out of thin air one day and will never go away
socun5
2 months ago
and i think they should be allowed to try out twice as much civil rights, firefighters, weekends, plumbing, street fighting etc. but uh just in a controlled environment (of several hundred square miles!!)

everything will of course go very well in that place then, and other nations can imitate their shining example, through classic democratic process.
NevixRaptor
2 months ago
These are strange times we are living in. Then again, when haven't they been strange eh? I guess this is the time for being in cliques and at the same time wanting to be special. I did want to say I am more of a guy in the center but as put before it doesn't really help much. I try to understand people from both sides of the aisle but all it does is confuse me. Though I lean to the left, it is hard to want to fully back them. I guess it is just that I don't agree with how they are wanting to make changes to "better" people (Better is in quotes because it is subjective). It kinda feels more forceful than it needs to be. Although being born black i find it hard to find sympathy sometimes for BLM and movements like them.  I guess being raised in a predominantly white town doesn't help much. Unlike alot of other black people, I never had to grow up with the hardships that they did. Or at least I never noticed them. I am glad that my mother worked her ass off to have me not live that life but; at the same time, this lack of hardship has made it hard to sympathize with alot of people. I do understand that people are being oppressed and whatnot but i guess to me it just sounds like alot of whining. To be quite honest with complete strangers, when I had to move away from my mostly white city to one that (still was pretty white) had many more black people in it, I did actively hate black people. The culture and just seeing so many black people (outside of my family) was just foreign to me. I am not that way anymore but it is still hard for me not to hear all of this stuff as just loud whining. Not quite sure where I am going with this but I just wanted to get this ofc my chest. Even though I am a week late. XD

I am sorry if this is just me spouting out nonsense, I just want to understand things better.
Norithics
2 months ago
I'm really glad you had a good life in the town you grew up in.
If you grew up in my town, you wouldn't have.
You could've been just as reasonable, thoughtful and intellectual, and they would've done one of two things: treated you like garbage, or more insidiously, tried to convince you that you were 'one of the good ones' and all those other black people were "the n****rs." And they would've rewarded you for making that distinction, because that's what shitty people like my family did. It's all about getting in your head, about convincing you that their prejudice is actually quite reasonable and founded in fact. I've seen them do it over and over, and the worst part is that it works.

They were very surprised and acted shocked when I disowned them. They made every motion to make it seem like I was the unreasonable one, which is how Conservatism works: It appeals to Centrists' sense of moderation to make any change seem radical and unwarranted.
"Do we have to recognize transgender people on job applications? Things have been going okay so far!"
"Do we have to have affirmative action? Things have been going okay so far!"
"Do we have to punch nazis? Things have been going okay so far!"

It's this never-ending stream of syrupy aw-shucks Conservative "appeal to what's reasonable" to make you feel like there's always two separate 'equal sides' to every conflict, when in fact most of the time this is absolute dogshit and they're 100% in the wrong- they just don't want you to feel that way, because if most ordinary people realize how ridiculous their platform was, they'd have no more platform.
NevixRaptor
2 months ago
I have been told before; ever since moving to Florida, that I am 'one of the good ones'. Back then i did see it as a badge of honor (being 16 you would take anything as such). I understand now that it was them justifying themselves, i agree with you on that. To be honest there ae several things after reading your post I can agree on. All but one, unfortunately. I personally cannot get behind the whole 'punch a nazi' thing. I am all for ridiculing them and rendering their arguments as hogwash but, violence should never be the answer. I know the 'slippery slope argument' has been played into the ground but, when does this kind of thing stop though? What happens when we rid ourselves of nazis and white supremacists? Will black communities just fix themselves? No. In my opinion (probably not a good one but nonetheless) if you really want to make those WS wrong we would fix these poorer communities and show them that the strength that people have to help one another. Instead of taking to the streets every time some asshat wants to make a speech on something racists, why not start a fundraiser or something and give to one of the intercity places or something similar. Another unfortunate point I have to make us that alot of people (including myself) are just keyboard warriors. We talk big game and say we must oppose this, that and the other but we don't actually do anything. I know my arguements have holes in them but I just want to see things get better. We have to fix ourselves before we fix others. (Insert other moral phrases here XD)
Norithics
2 months ago
" NevixRaptor wrote:
I personally cannot get behind the whole 'punch a nazi' thing. I am all for ridiculing them and rendering their arguments as hogwash but, violence should never be the answer.


Their platform is violence. Let me be crystal clear on this point: they want you dead, dead, dead, and any promises to the contrary are an attempt to seem reasonable so they can attain more power. Arguing with them cannot work, because the entire act of engaging with them gives them a bigger platform so they can gain more power, and once they have enough power, it's too late. You can destroy their argument all day and just the fact of giving them air and space is serving their purpose for them. They're using you. And when they walk through the streets with the armband, they're not 'peacefully advocating genocide' (whatever that means), they're testing you, and everyone else. They're seeing if they can get away with pushing the boundaries one more inch, if they can subtly intimidate everyone they hate into submission. So no, they do have to be shown that they're not allowed to do that, because we don't allow people to advocate genocide, period, end of story.

" Will black communities just fix themselves?


How come we act like this is special though? Poor to middle class white communities, I promise you, are just as fucked. These poor bastards are all jacked up on meth and opioids. Two of my uncles were massive drug users, one of them was a pusher and is still in prison for it; the other is dead. Do people make bad choices? Well yeah. I mean of course, nobody's arguing that individuals don't have choices; the issue here is that statistically when black people have problems, they go to jail- whereas when white people make the same bad choices, they get sheltered by the entire community out of a sense of family and "not wanting to be cruel." My uncles, my alcoholic relatives, all of them were coddled and kept safe despite doing things that should've landed all of them in jail multiple times. Everyone's fucking up, it's just that if you're a certain color, you're gonna get a much gentler hand.

Also, personal responsibility is great... but when you're literally conspired against by your government, then have the aftermath blamed on you for being 'irresponsible' or 'naturally violent,' while my violent drug addicted relatives get mollycoddled, you've got to admit that's completely unfair. End the war on drugs, which again, was literally an explicitly racist endeavor; then we can talk about personal responsibility.
NevixRaptor
2 months ago
On the punch a nazi thing again. I personally cannot bring myself to do it. I will not condone it nor will I participate. I care not if you wish to do so but i just can't. (I know i just repeated myself but i just wamt to make clear my stance). I guess I would rather die knowing I didn't hurt anyone who so far have only said words (sans the one incident a Charlottesville). I understand it is a naïve way of thinking but it is just who I am.

Also i wish to apologize. I didn't mean to just say that it was black communities that are in trouble. I was just using them as an example.
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