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by DrJavi
I finally got around to play SOMA.

You really gonna write an underwater techno-apocalyptic body horror story, but give it the dumbest whiniest protagonist possible and make every scary sequence feel forced and annoying by way of sensory overload?

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Published: 1 month, 3 weeks ago
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NyotaMwuaji
1 month, 3 weeks ago
i think the horror part was supposed to be the fact the monsters used to be people or something
but the dude was a bit of a crybaby. like, my guy, as long as theres at least some power, you can make more of you and these other "people" via their copies.
however humanity is sorta fucked beyond repair at this point. the people in the "ark" arent real. they arent actually human anymore. they are digital copies so no, its not "humanity among the stars" its "a memory of humanity among the stars"
Arkanos
1 month, 3 weeks ago
What's the difference between your mind in an analog-meat computer and your mind in a digital-metal computer?
DrJavi
1 month, 3 weeks ago
Whether you can still create things that affect the rest of the world.
wolfpup
1 month, 3 weeks ago
i mean, we can already create things and effect digital things, like in vr chat and resonenets.sure it not physical, but it still.. real and can be quite fun. if we are in a simulation, i dont see why we would not have things to alter and create things.
DrJavi
1 month, 3 weeks ago
That's a good point. If you can still build within your simulated world, then it isn't a digital hell. It's stagnation that terrifies me.
wolfpup
1 month, 3 weeks ago
stagnation would be hell, its why socail vr games that you cant add things to or build for die quickly. So i dont see a reason we would not be able to build in a digital world, if not even more fantastical things then we could do in a body.
Alfador
1 month, 3 weeks ago
Plus, we have interfaces in our real world that let us build and interact in digital virtual worlds. If we have uploaded humans living in virtual worlds, why the heck wouldn't we have the inverse? My VR headset has a camera that lets me see the real world as projected into a window in the virtual display, and then use my hands to work with the real world while keeping my headset on. Surgeons can control robotic arms remotely. It's just a short step from those to having robotic telepresence for digital people. Not even any need for a Talos Principle style permanent download--one can exist in a virtual environment and have presence in the real world simultaneously. Only with a lot fewer collision problems than when I've got my headset on. :P
Istaran
1 month, 3 weeks ago
The interesting thing is at that point they live in the digital world and extend their consciousness into the physical world in a way that mirrors us extending our awareness into a digital world/video game.. but one main reason they will do so is to do ohysical maintenance on their digital world infrastructure so rather than the low stakes of a video game it's absurdly high stakes (don't accide tally break the HD!)
Alfador
1 month, 3 weeks ago
Since that's akin to performing surgery on oneself, perhaps they'd have people in separately hosted environments do the maintenance. That and possibly having redundant backups so if there is a catastrophic failure for any reason, you lose a comparatively small amount of memory. Anything up to about a day's worth ought not to pose any existential problems for self-identity, since real-world sleep doesn't seem to.
Arkanos
1 month, 3 weeks ago
Wild to think that there's just no way to create stuff if you're in a robotic body with a digital-metal mind instead of an analogue-meat mind, like how would it even be possible: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc2q0KcrriQ
SciMunk
1 month, 3 weeks ago
I think his answer was relative to being in a simulated environment, not a robotic body.

even tho, if it had access to internet, it could probably hack a factory and go full skynet lol.
DrJavi
1 month, 3 weeks ago
Exactly. I'm 100% fine with being a robot, as long as I can still make stuff.
Arkanos
1 month, 3 weeks ago
You could still make stuff in a simulated environment.

Art is still stuff.
DrJavi
1 month, 3 weeks ago
If a simulated environment allows for the creation of art, then it's all good. I'm just worried about immutability.
cesarin
1 month ago
my only gripe would be losing the ability to feel touch, etc.. and hunger, etc..
NyotaMwuaji
1 month, 3 weeks ago
the ability to reproduce and fuck. the guy cant even do that with the body as, its dead. its a corpse with some gel and a camera stabbed in the neck hole.
Arkanos
1 month, 3 weeks ago
(Live forever and figure out ways for digital reproduction and fucking) vs (Reproduce and die)

My dude, make better choices.

If this confuses you, watch the show "Pantheon" while you're at it.
NyotaMwuaji
1 month, 3 weeks ago
Neither of them will live forever though. The suits holding the corpse body together will decay, much like the various facilities are, and then fail.
As for the ark, same thing. It will eventually start to degrade and fail up in space. It's solar panels possibly cracking or getting damaged and reducing the incoming power until it ultimately fails.
Weirdly though, if you kept the WAU "alive" as it were, you could probably postpone the facilities failing and falling apart as it seemed to be trying to at least maintain things. But even with its efforts, shit was still going south
MoonKnight
1 month, 2 weeks ago
To be fair, this is one of the ways in which, surprisingly, they're not very different from people. Yes, they'll die. So did people.
NyotaMwuaji
1 month, 2 weeks ago
In this case I'd call it more rotting away or breaking down as opposed to dying, but I suppose machine death is still death.
TanukiArts
1 month, 3 weeks ago
I see no lies in this post.
Fritti
1 month, 3 weeks ago
Hey. Show this exact comic in Hollywood, without any pretext. You'll have a movie contract before you can say "what the fuck is wrong with you people?" >~_^<
Waccoon
1 month, 3 weeks ago
Haha... I just finished watching Event Horizon again.

Things could always be worse.  8)
NyotaMwuaji
1 month, 3 weeks ago
Ahhh event horizon. The starship that goes to hell and then returns home, and brings some hell home to share with the class
thefalseviddaric
1 month, 3 weeks ago
If you want the concept done better (though not horror style) look up the Bobiverse book series.
Alfador
1 month, 3 weeks ago
...I certainly will.
ragarth
1 month, 3 weeks ago
I choose to believe that the ark has some mechanism for manufacturing. It'd be a very human oversight to build the last cradle of humanity and not give it some means of self repair. At that point its not hard to imagine them using the ark's facilities to make drones for people to use, and eventually make more arks, etc.
Musuko42
1 month, 3 weeks ago
Is that Jeremy? That's Jeremy!
DrJavi
1 month, 3 weeks ago
Pretty much every monster in that game is Jeremy.
Musuko42
1 month, 3 weeks ago
I see! Do you get to punch them?
DrJavi
1 month, 3 weeks ago
Boy, I wish! If you play on easy mode, at least you can ram them and they'll either disappear or run away.
MonsterMeat
1 month, 3 weeks ago
Hah I love SOMA but yea I think Simon doesn't have out Mindset about Trans-humanism XD
SenGrisane
1 month, 3 weeks ago
The game had great moments, but yeah the main character being such a slow thinker did not help XD
krazylegz624
1 month, 3 weeks ago
ugh god i hated the protag in Soma. heck i hated how so many people kept failing to understand the concept of FUCKING COPYING YOUR MIND AND MAKING A DUPLICATE OF YOURSELF! a whole under sea lab of scientists and smart people and 99% of them are fucking dumbasses...
FrostyPervert
1 month, 3 weeks ago
Do they ever mention the storage space in the ark?  Like, how long would it take for all of the data in that thing to become corrupted and fail because it fills up and starts trying to make room for 'new' data?  
TobiasBlack
1 month, 3 weeks ago
Let's be honest though, the protagonist acts a you'd expect from an early prototype scan of an everyman with terminal brain damage. Overreacting. Underreacting. Struggling to grasp novel concepts. Pushing onwards with inexplicable optimism. Almost like a puppy.

Now, the ending... The ending reminds me of that thought experiment, what was it called... dilemma of infinite bliss and suffering? Basically boils down to a choice between being stuck in a world of endless suffering with the knowledge that after an unknown finite amount of time you will be transported to a world of bliss forever, or the total opposite. And to me, the WAU is the former and ARK is the latter.
shunkaha
1 month, 3 weeks ago
thought this was about "We Are Legion (We Are Bob)"

if you like this type of story i would highly recommend it, great series. basically dude gets his brain digitized then wakes up in the future after being turned into a computer program and shenanigans happen.
Paleumi
1 month, 2 weeks ago
i did kinda feel bad for the guy he was like this basic random guy not some awesome hero or a guy kinda tossed into a horrific reality. if i woke up in a world like this not sure i would grasp anything and would be in full on panic mode even more so when i realize im now a robot and the full surface of the world is screwed up. at least though as robots they probably could exist long enough to start seeing life again. its been a while since i seen this game some memory is a bit hazy of it.
Relee
1 month, 1 week ago
So far my favorite "Persona Upload Bad End" story was a fun one where someone cheaped out and got 'accidentally' uploaded as an NPC into a gamified virtual afterlife to be the personal 'Navi' like helper of a 'real' player. But then, I'm a perv.

I had heard about SOMA's story from a video and yeah, it didn't sound great.
cesarin
1 month ago
Ironically, they could have just used the insane amount of headless bodies to build proper units similar to your character ( like the ones you see trapped in utility bots) so they behave more human like.
Also since you're pretty much living forever until the base falls apart ( in the first section, reactivating the power plant causes a lot of damage).
And in that time, they could have started to recreate life outside or in the sea.

Along with the many "souls" stuck in the WAU matrix.
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