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I'm Not Going to See Space Jam 2

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Seems Pepe le Pew was posing for his ACO when along came an errant basketball! :o

...Ok, yeah, I'm about to give my unasked-for and unwanted two cents on this matter (bear with me)!

Can you all name a furry who ISN'T going to see 'Space Jam 2'?

If you answered 'IceAgeChippies', you'd be correct! :D ...:p

"The Pepe Le Pew character will likely be a thing of the past across all media. Warner Bros. also has no current TV series featuring the skunk and there are no plans to have him appear on Looney Toons, Bugs Bunny Builders, Tiny Toons Looniversary or future projects, sources confirmed to Deadline"

-DEADLINE: https://deadline.com/2021/03/pepe-le-pew-space-jam-2-ne...

...'Kids do learn from what they see, and the context of our culture is different today than it was. While we may understand something we're seeing as fictional or hyperbolic, a child's brain isn't able to understand those nuances. In many ways, I'm thinking of the parent. What can you control? It is important to be mindful about what we do present to children regarding intimacy and relationships.'"

-ABC News (Texas): https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/pepe-le-pew-loo...

No one has ever raped or been raped because 'Pepe le Pew'.

HYPOTHETICALWATCHER: "That's a claim; claims aren't evidence"

Ok, but Pepe le Pew has been going since the 1940's ...what happened to turn the world against him NOW?

Arguably the most powerful force on earth: a tweet. :P

"This helped teach boys that “no” didn’t really mean no, that it was a part of “the game”, the starting line of a power struggle. It taught overcoming a woman’s strenuous, even physical objections, was normal, adorable, funny. They didn’t even give the woman the ability to SPEAK"

-Charles M Blow (Twitter)

And this tweet was supported by a great many persons whose replies seem to express similar sentiments as Blow's ...which reenforces my view that Pepe didn't condition children against commonsense (therefore Pepe's behavior is a nonissue).

TL;DR: a great many persons who're familiar with the character grew up knowing 'no means no', so... what damage has Pepe done?

Either way, the character was supposed to be (needlessly) reprimanded in SJ2 ...which might have been funny if not (again) a bit unnecessary. Was that not good enough?

I'll not contribute much more towards this; I went down a similar rabbit hole in regards to the squirrel girl from The Sword in the Stone---I don't like to argue and I'm not interested in losing friends over trivial drama.
Additionally, no matter what one believes about Pepe, there is one thing left to consider---the reason I'm not giving my money or time to SJ2...

Pepe was axed to help promote the movie.

Yup! That's my little 'conspiracy'.

HYPOTHETICALWATCHER: "So you believe this effect was intentional on WB's part rather than incidental?"

Mhm. :3

Pepe was canned for the same reason the 'Mr.' was removed from the 'Mr. PotatoHead' brand: for product promotion and social brownie points.
The decision to remove the Pepe from SJ2 was done last-minute in response to the internet ...not for moral reasons (no one writing for or animating this movie was unaware of Pepe le Pew and his character), but for social and monetary ones.
Blow's tweet has spread word/reminders of 'Space Jam 2' across many social-media and news sites, with very minimal cost to the film's distributors/producers (not like Pepe was going to be a central character---he'd've been given a cameo at best, as in the first film).

Expunging le Pew from the movie HELPS the movie---the decision is counted as a good thing, esp. by the younger crowd (which the movie made for anyway).

HYPOTHETICALWATCHER: "There'so evidence for any of this"

I can't prove it, but I'll say pulling le Pew from the movie was done for only one of the following or the other:

1. cowardice (oh no, don't cancel our movie!)
2. brownie points and cheap promotion (my position because I'm a cynic)

So, yeah, either way... I'll repocket the money I was going to spend to see SJ2; I'll watch the first movie again instead ...in my comfortable home, with no mask (or clothing---let's be real), and with a bottle of vintage red. :3

By the by, all this reminds me of a book I read a year or so ago: 'Bad for You, Exposing the War on Fun' by Kevin C Pyle and Scott Cunningham.

The book basically lists some of pop culture's innovations and inventions that previous generations thought would be the beginning of the end for humankind. Among those things deemed destructive were,

1. comic books
2. video/role-playing games (esp. violent ones)
3. remote controls and telephones
4. playgrounds
5. thought (granted I think younger generations fear this, too)

All of the above yet exists and has not proven deleterious to society (well, 'telephone' is debatable, I guess).

As for the younger generation, it seeks (and has almost always sought) to warn itself of the evils of the previous generations, among the newest is Pepe le Pew. :p

I guess 'the more things change, the more things stay the same' holds true here; I'm not surprised by the decision to cancel Pepe, but I don't have to support it either. :3

"Young people have exalted notions, because they have not been humbled by life or learned its necessary limitations; moreover, their hopeful disposition makes them think themselves equal to great things -- and that means having exalted notions. They would always rather do noble deeds than useful ones: Their lives are regulated more by moral feeling than by reasoning -- all their mistakes are in the direction of doing things excessively and vehemently. They overdo everything -- they love too much, hate too much, and the same with everything else"

-Aristotle

"Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes, and shrewd in their own sight!"

-Isaiah 5:20-21

"For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions"

-2nd Timothy 4:3

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Abcormal
1 month ago
There's always hope. Maybe Pepe's scenes (without animation) will be on the "deleted scenes" feature of the Blu-Ray, and some fan animator can then add him in?
IceAgeChippies
1 month ago
If they did, it would be evidence of how insincere all this really is.
Abcormal
1 month ago
Of course. When will people learn that the point of Pepe le Pew is to NOT emulate him?
IceAgeChippies
1 month ago
It's not even about that---it's about promising a cameo of a character, only to yank them away when some unaccomplished human being makes a fuss on Twitter. This is not something I will reward with my patronage.
Abcormal
1 month ago
Oh, Ok then.
nehmyncolad
1 month ago
Never was a fan of Pepe. But... if I remember it correctly, the main problem with him was that he was a skunk, not his corny flirting. Who will be next, the rooster?
IceAgeChippies
1 month ago
Le Pew's species wasn't a problem, it was the forcefulness of his flirtings ...which were consequent of Pepe being a skunk (he had trouble finding females who could accept him). ^^
MviluUatusun
1 month ago
There was one scene in a cartoon where Pepe and the cat had fallen into a water barrel.  The white stripe had washed off the cat and she looked like a, well, wet cat.  Pepe's fur had clung to his body and his muscular physique became apparent and the cat fell in lust with him.  Now, the tables were turned and he learned how the cat had felt with HIS unwanted attentions.
IceAgeChippies
1 month ago
Teehee!
zfqfmb
1 month ago
Eh, people have been annoyed at Pepe for a long while. I have a cracked.com joke from 10 years ago showing him on a sex offenders list. It's just now that WB has taken official notice. I don't particularly care about his absence.
IceAgeChippies
1 month ago
Mostly, my annoyance stems from the media's willingness to bend over for the social-justice crowd.
zfqfmb
1 month ago
Eh, ever has it been such, perhaps not SJ, but the crowd has always swayed media, and frankly I think it's only got better from the days of the red scare. The pendulum's just swinging in the other direction.
IceAgeChippies
1 month ago
/nods/
FoxyCubLover
1 month ago
Said he who is worried about what people might say about him if would draw certain naughty pictures.
IceAgeChippies
1 month ago
That would be about me in particular, rather than me saying the act of drawing bits is inherently wrong.

You gotta put things in perspective, Foxy.
moyomongoose
1 month ago
Would not put it past them to cancel Marvin the Martin...just in case Martins do exist and they might get offended.
IceAgeChippies
1 month ago
Absolutely! D:
FoxyCubLover
1 month ago
1. comic books
2. video/role-playing games (esp. violent ones)
3. remote controls and telephones
4. playgrounds
5. thought (granted I think younger generations fear this, too)

1. I don't read many comic books any more, but don't see the harm
2. My guess is that anyone who is already predisposed to violence will have an above average attraction to violent entertainment. Video games can be a great pass time.
3. I really doubt that little extra walking you would do if you had no remote would make much of a difference.
4. People really think playgrounds are evil? Would they rather have children out on the streets causing trouble?
5. Yeah, imagine someone having thoughts you don't agree with.

I should read that book some time.
IceAgeChippies
1 month ago
MviluUatusun
1 month ago
I'm not going to watch "Space Jam 2" but, I never saw the original.  I'm no fan of Michael Jordan.  (Personally, I think he was overrated and he believed all the hype.)  I'm also no fan of basketball; I believe it's as boring as soccer (aka football outside the USA).  I only learned about Lola Bunny in the last few years (over 15 years since the original "Space Jam" was released.)  I believe the SJWs should listen to some of the interviews with the original WB animators.  They all said that their cartoons were never intended for viewing by children.  If you pay close attention to some of the jokes in the WB cartoons, you'll understand what the animators were talking about.
IceAgeChippies
1 month ago
Maybe, but they knew kids would be their core audience regardless of their intentions (which is why the Looney Tunes are generally tame---we're not comparing them to Fritz the Cat any time soon) lol ^^

As for Jordan ...I dunno---I wasn't (and continue to not be) a sports person, so I have no opinion there. :3
MviluUatusun
1 month ago
I was referring to the cartoons from the 30s through the 50s.  After television, the more adult aspects of the humor were tamed.
IceAgeChippies
1 month ago
/nods/
MviluUatusun
1 month ago
Yeah.  Back in those days, cartoons were shown before the feature film that was, basically, a film for adults, i.e. romance, romantic-comedies, war, etc.  This is what the WB artists, directors, and producers were talking about when they said the cartoons were never intended for viewing by children.
IceAgeChippies
1 month ago
I understand. :3
ShiftyGuy1994
1 month ago
The whole thing with Pepe Le Pew being banned is just a major cringe moment. And I'm just going to leave it at that. There's A LOT more things I could say, but I'd rather not. But it truly pisses me off.

Personally, I don't know if I'll ever watch Space Jam 2. Probably not. I can't say it'll ever be better than the original Space Jam. The original was the best. And I'd almost rather not see how bad Space Jam 2 is. If you get what I mean.

Anyways, nice drawing like always lol
IceAgeChippies
1 month ago
Prolly for the best; nothing we can do about it anyway. :(

...Thx! :3
ShiftyGuy1994
1 month ago
Yeah unfortunately. But it doesn't matter if they wanna ban a cartoon or a character. It won't stop me from liking it lol.

No problem!
IceAgeChippies
1 month ago
They can only ban what the holder is willing to allow them, at least in cases where the holder has billions of dollars.

WB also hold licensing rights to Harry Potter ...which is still doing very well last time I checked. ^_^
ShiftyGuy1994
1 month ago
Yeah absolutely.

And yeah that's good at least lol
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