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Site ownership change

Hi everyone,

I feel this news journal needs more of a personal touch than usual, so allow me to introduce myself. I am starling, founder and creator of Inkbunny.

Without further ado, I would like to announce that I have officially handed ownership of Inkbunny to one of our longest-serving staff members, GreenReaper. He is now the site owner and head administrator.

Don't panic! It's still business as usual in Inkbunny land. There are no sweeping changes planned for the immediate future. In fact, I almost considered not announcing this publicly at all. Who owns the site is largely irrelevant to the average user.

But I realise that it is a pretty important thing to many people, and it does have a bearing on the ultimate future of the site. So these things deserve explanation. The rest of this journal is for those of you who'd like to know the full story, and what the future may hold.

Inkbunny was an idea born out of hope and frustration. I wanted to create a place that was safe and positive and inclusive, in an online world increasingly dominated by conservatism and hostility.

After everything we've been through and experienced over the years, that beginning now seems to me like the distant past. In reality, it was less than five years ago that the first lines of code were laid down, forming the foundations of what is now a thriving furry art site.

It was a point in my life when stable but part-time employment hours gave me plenty of time to complete the code base for the first launch. I grossly underestimated the amount of work the Inkbunny code base would take. I expected a three month build to get the basic functions together, but it was nearly a year of solid work before we had what I was prepared to call a launch version.

Since the site opened, I had always been able to focus a decent portion of my time on the never-ending coding tasks and demands of being the head administrator. I have felt immensely privileged to have the opportunity to be a part of something like Inkbunny, and it satisfied me greatly to be able to dedicate myself to it in that way for so long.

But the time has now come in my life to focus on my career and building up my finances for the future. An opportunity has come along that I feel I must seize with both hands. For it to succeed, I know I have to pour everything I have into it, and I cannot divide my attention.

To attempt to lead Inkbunny's development and administration, and to pursue this new project at the same time would be to the detriment of both. Inkbunny needs someone at the helm that can give it the dedication and focus it needs, and this is why I knew the site needed a new owner.

GreenReaper has been with Inkbunny as a moderator since the very beginning, graciously agreeing to give us his time and experience to help with what was originally an unknown little art site with hardly any members.

He never asked for the position. I approached him out of the blue, back when I was getting together a core of staff to help with the launch. We had met and chatted in the past, and I knew he had a wealth of experience with running furry community projects. But I had no idea if he would have even the slightest interest in giving his time to yet another random startup furry art site.

GreenReaper surprised me by agreeing to help, and since then he has consistently dedicated himself to Inkbunny. Over the years his ideals and goals for the site have echoed my own at every step, and I now see him as a close friend and someone I genuinely look up to.

Our disagreements have been just as important to me. He has always been willing to let me know when he thought I was doing something that wasn't wise. More times than I can count now, his maturity and level-headedness have stopped me acting on impulse or out of anger in tense situations. He has been a voice of calm, reason and logic. This is a crucial state of mind to have when weathering the kinds of storms you endure as a site owner.

GreenReaper's experience comes from years spent as a prominent and active figure in the fandom, heading such organisations as WikiFur and the news site Flayrah. He has assisted with many other furry sites and organisations, including volunteering as staff at furry cons.

He also possesses the skills in professional systems administration and software engineering that are essential to keeping the site running and improving into the future.

Will there be changes in Inkbunny's future as a result of this change in ownership? I hope so! I am excited about the plans that GreenReaper has shared with me. His ideas for the site and what it could grow to be are much grander than anything I had considered. And I believe he has the right skills and connections to achieve those goals.

But you can rest assured that the heart of what Inkbunny has become is in safe hands. He understands, just as I do, that the site and its community are something bigger and more important than any individual.

I believe that under GreenReaper's direction, the site will experience even more rapid growth and development than I managed with the limited time and energy I could put into Inkbunny in the past.

I will continue to assist with the moderation and coding of the site when I can, and I will remain a staff member for the foreseeable future. I'm sure I will miss being at the helm of the ship, but I feel the time is perfect for me to take on a background role as the site moves into the next exciting chapter of its development.

I cannot thank our little family of admins, moderators and advisors enough. That largely unseen core of people are responsible for Inkbunny being the success that it is. They work away tirelessly and selflessly in the background to ensure Inkbunny is a great place to be. Working with you all has been a pleasure, and I hope to continue being part of that group for a long time to come.

Finally, and probably most importantly, I want to thank the Inkbunny community. It's all of you who have made this place somewhere I happily call home. Warm, welcoming and inviting. Vibrant and exciting. A place I want come back to every day and that I am proud to say I am a part of.

S
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Kadm
4 years ago
Very well said. Here's to many years of continued smooth sailing!
Saba
4 years ago
Thanks for everything, Starling! You've been an amazing admin and I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say we greatly appreciate all your time and hard work in making and keeping IB the awesome place it is.

Thanks and welcome to GreenReaper, I hope the transition goes smoothly. All the best.

And good luck with your future endeavours, Starling!

xx
sedkitty
4 years ago
Thanks for all your hard work on the site,
starling
starling
-- and thanks to
GreenReaper
GreenReaper
too for his efforts both in the past and in times to come.
Salmy
4 years ago
If GR was a dog, I'd say it's the same dog with a new collar, but you know what I mean c; Both great people, and same level-headed. Will be as much of a pleasure continuing to collaborate here with the norn as it's been with the pup! And it's great news to know that you will remain around, Starling! :D
graymuzzle
4 years ago
WOW........
Well, congrats on the new gig! While it's exciting for you, it's also a little sad to see the old guard pass.
I've been here a while now. While my primary project 'Tina's story' began on SoFurry, Tina has always had her biggest fan base here. With a Hubrid Poodle and a human as protagonists, it was tricky bring Tina to the fans here. Still, you and your mods and admins were helpful and gracious in working with me. Tina has, as a result, grown and thrived here.
While we haven't always agreed, you and your staff have always been helpful, cooperative and friendly. Tina truly has a home here on Inkbunny.
Thanks for giving us misfit toys a place to play and hang out. Good luck in your new endeavors!
(HUGS)
With warm wishes,
Gray
AJDurai
4 years ago
Good luck on your programming career. Sounds like the game you're working on could be fun, I'd like to know more about it.
Swampwulf
4 years ago
Thank you for your service, Starling.
Nick2Shy
4 years ago
thanks so much for your hard work and efforts starling. the community really owes you much and we were lucky that you, together with the great people around you, have built this site to what it is now. thank you
and to
GreenReaper
GreenReaper
thank you that you're willing to do this. from everything I've seen and heard of you, you certainly are a great guy we'll happily walk on with you and this special place
*hugs you both* :3
DarkestUmbreon
4 years ago
Oh wow, well good luck with all your future stuff
starling
starling
and welcome to the lead
GreenReaper
GreenReaper
.

Glad i watch both of yall so i can get updates on everything still ^.^
Norithics
4 years ago
This is the best website I've ever used, as a content contributor, as a patron of the arts, and as an everyday user. Every time I'm using another site, I'm wishing I was using this one. I wish you luck. =)
Tycloud
4 years ago
But...but...I dont even know if
GreenReaper
GreenReaper
likes butts!  He never talks to meh!
KeybladeMasterXCross
4 years ago
This is great news, but it is overwhelming. I'm happy for you and for GreenHelm. I'm hoping to see that your RPG project goes into a major success. I have been an RPG gamer ever since I was 7 years old, and I have been a HUGE RPG gamer ever since then.
AvaBun
4 years ago
Hehe I look forward to the future of both this site and your future projects. Thank you so much for the foundation!
ScottyKat
4 years ago
wow. good luck Star. hope your new gaming  company goes well
Tae
Tae
4 years ago
This will be a neat thing to see! But in my eyes, you'll always be the head pup :3

Grats
GreenReaper
GreenReaper
!
JeffyCottonbun
4 years ago
Thank you
starling
starling
for leading this amazing website so well throughout the years. I'm sure that
GreenReaper
GreenReaper
will do an amazing job as well. Both of your efforts are visible in all of InkBunny's functionalities, this wonderful community and in the entire fandom.
Thank you for creating this website.
NemoTVChampion
4 years ago
Thank you Starling for having done such great work!  And best wishes to GR :3
Immelmann
4 years ago
Thanks for all the hard work, Starling. It's because of you that InkBunny is, easily, the best furry website we have right now.

Best of luck to GreenReaper! I trust him and am sure he'll be good for the site.
VellaCRaptor
4 years ago
Greenreaper has made some decisions in my short time here I really respect as an artist, so congrats on your future endeavors and welcome new site owner haha. :)
Moonlight555
4 years ago
Starling, Inkbunny was the first furry site I signed up to, and it remains my most favorite. It is and always has been warm and welcoming for me.

Good luck with your future endeavors, Starling! You've lead the creation of a great thing, and there'll be more great things waiting for you. ^.^
Alfador
4 years ago
Thank you both for all your hard work. I wish you both all the best in gamemaking, Inkbunny, and everywhere else! *hugs to the two of you!*
KevinSnowpaw
4 years ago
img lad you choose him honestly when i read the title I was like, WHAT FRESH HELL IS THIS!!!! but the sites in good hands.


good luck on your game endeavors what your developing starling is DEAD CENTER in my sights as far as games im interested in go so please do keep me apprised =p
dmfalk
4 years ago
GreenReaper
GreenReaper
helped me acclimate to IB during my transition from FA (thank you!), so it'll be interesating where he takes IB under his stewardship (and I should +watch him now that he's head admin).

And to you,
starling
starling
, I bow to you in giving us cubfur fans a safe haven with Softpaw and IB, and wish you well on your further journeys, an an equal bow in trying to keep IB from not being FA!

Of course, this means the maintenance-mode page needs to have a new image! :O

Good luck to all!

d.m.f.
MightBeFurry
4 years ago
You're doing what's best for the site and most importantly for you.. I'm grateful for both the seed you planted and nurtured these years, growing it into the amazing site we have today, and also the capable hands you leave it in who will ensure that growth never falters. Congratulations, Starling, and thank you!
Danjen
4 years ago
25th!
Danjen
4 years ago
But seriously, I am thankful for everything IB has been (compared to the alternatives), in terms of site design, competency of administration, and tolerance of art.
ShadowsInc
4 years ago
Just don't turn into FA! FOR THE LOVE OF FURRY! PLEASE DON'T!

that said, hope everything works out :3
xTwoTails
4 years ago
I talked to him on my journal and he made me feel a lot better. I was surprised when I saw the admin Icon , but at the same time it was nice to talk to someone that actually knows the feeling.
So a big thanks to him~<3  *waggles his tails*
LupineAssassin
4 years ago
Congrats to
starling
starling
and
GreenReaper
GreenReaper
! ^^ I got to meet GR at Anthrocon again. :)
Wakka
4 years ago
IB's been my furry home for many years since FA went overkill on there AUP or TOS that forced many to leave there and find there way hear. IB's been good to me and i love it hear because it allows the kind of art that i love that FA don't allow but IB's all so been a place where iv met many of my new friends i have now.

Ty
starling
starling
for bring all of us a furry site we can enjoy and be proud to call a home for all of us furrys.  ^^_

And Cg
GreenReaper
GreenReaper
on leading us from hear on and im sure you'll do an awesomeness job as the head man.  :)
MystBunny
4 years ago
Thanks bunches Starling, particularly for helping me whenever I needed your help ^_^ *snugs* friendly former admin is friendly
Flygon
4 years ago
I have faith in the sites future.
Zenu
4 years ago
So long as IB maintains the same attitude and freedom I've come to enjoy it will continue to be the best furry site there is.
Thanks for giving me a place to be myself
starling
starling
.  Words alone cannot express how grateful I am for you and
GreenReaper
GreenReaper
's hard work.  I salute both of you fine sirs.
Buck
4 years ago
We love you, Starling, and your hot, Aussie accent <3
jurann
4 years ago
Very interesting. Thanks for the write-up!
radix
4 years ago
Thank you for everything Starling! This is such an amazing site and I couldn't ask for more! Best of luck GreenReaper, and as always I would love a way to help contribute to the code base :)
ajisthebest
4 years ago
Are you retiring the Halo bunny as well, or simply changing ownership..?
And thanks for the years of service, it's gladly appreciated by many (and many more to come (no not that kind))!
And, of course, the best of luck with your future endeavors. I look forward to seeing this project in the works~
starling
4 years ago
Yeah I'll hand in the halo once the technical parts of the handover are complete. :P
Cloud006
4 years ago
I think you should keep your Halo.
it looks good on you.
Charliemon
4 years ago
starling
starling
dude it has been a pleasure to have you lead us .when ever someone wanted to know something or had a problem i sent them your way . You are always great at helping or solving issues thank for everything you have done
RoareyRaccoon
4 years ago
Announcing this was a good idea, Starling. There's a few things I'd like to say about IB. I haven't been keen on the rep for fucked up content this place gets, it bothers me from time to time, but this announcement has made me rethink my perspective. I've always respected and enjoyed using IB as a site, it's the best-functioning art site I've ever used, intuitively genius, but to have a site of this quality that also creates a place for usually restricted content? That's bloody rare and a great achievement. Whatever ones individual judgements on content are, with a really good filtering system this place is a joy to use and benefits so many people. Thank you for making IB what it is, you and all the staff. The best of luck with your future projects and your life in general, mate. You've given a lot of people a home online and a place of business and I've never seen you ask for a fucking thing in return. Respect.
WhyteYote
4 years ago
Best of luck to you!  Thanks for providing this invaluable service all these years.  We appreciate it more than you can ever know.
GeorgeGlass
4 years ago
Starling, thanks for building us such a nice site. We hope to honor your effort by filling it with works of exquisite beauty and subtlety. Then, when we fail at that, we'll fill it with awesome porn. :)
KNIFE
4 years ago
Grats to both of you on each of your new positions and situations.
Hope they work out for you both. :D
ManaAraxis
4 years ago
Good luck on your future endeavors and thank you for everything. It will be interesting to see what develops from here on out.
Ruffy
4 years ago
Known you and supported you since the days before Softpaw and I'll continue to support you in everything you do, looking forward to what you're new career will bring to the gaming space and to the world :3 its been an amazing time and while we'll still talk I feel like its an end of an era, one amazing and completely crazy era <3

Here's to the new era, I'm all in~
chiro
4 years ago
why get i the feeling now that IB got conquered by FA and will change sooner or later into the same rules?
i HOPE i am wrong
digisushi
4 years ago
Thank you Starling for your hard work and welcome and congrats to GreenReaper!
...
*3 days later... Inkbunny becomes Greenbunny and everything on the site, even the bunny, turns green*

(I'm just joking around)
DarkMacroMaster
4 years ago
I'm sad to see you go Starling, but I also look forward to the changes and hope that they don't change too much.

Finally, on a more personal note, I plan on going to college soon and getting into the same career as you (a coder, trying to get into games development). Do you have any advice?
starling
4 years ago
Depends what kind of coding you want to do. But if you're interested in making games then http://unity3d.com/ is free to use and you can learn either JavaScript or C#. C# is very useful and there's lots more than game jobs you can get if you know it.

It might look like a lot to learn at first but play around with it and go through all the tutorials. Eventually it will start to make sense and you'll be way ahead of everyone else you're competing with for work if you played with this stuff for fun in your spare time. :P
DarkMacroMaster
4 years ago
Actually, I've already started learning C++ and I'm further ahead in it than the average beginner, but I was wondering if there was anything you wish you would have known or done before you went into the field. Or maybe the best way to start reaching out there. Or maybe any good group projects to get involved in as a beginner.
starling
4 years ago
I'd say tinkering on a personal project is the best way to learn. C++ is perfect too of course. All the C languages are pretty similar. I wish I knew more about 3d game animations and modelling and such, but being a programmer I always start from the code side and I'll work my way over to that stuff soon enough. :P
DarkMacroMaster
4 years ago
Ok, thanks for the advice! ^_^
MaDrow
4 years ago
While C++ is a hard language to begin with (in comparison with Java or C#), keep going on learning it! |=(:3

Because IMO those languages gives you a deeper insight in programming and software designing than scripting languages like PHP, Python, Perl, Ruby and JavaScript.

You likely want to master the base aspects of C++ before you head on to sockets, GUI (I recommend Qt for that since MFC, GTK+ and xWidgets suck balls¹) and other game / multimedia libraries (like SDL & SFML²).

¹ I could write a whole essay here why, but I want to spare you that.
² I never had the opportunity to try them out, but the fact that a lot of Indie games used those as foundation and reading the (API) documentation impresses me. A lot.
DarkMacroMaster
4 years ago
Ok, thank you for the info! ^_^
MaDrow
4 years ago
My Pleasure~! |=(:3
Fellarts
4 years ago
Thanks for everything you've done and I will look forward to where this site will go in the future.
Tweaker
4 years ago
GreenReaper was probably the first staff member to be friendly to me and get me acquainted with the site when I first started becoming active. Should be interesting to see what the place is like with him at the helm!
PeachClover
4 years ago
I don't think I ever thanked you before for the site.  When I was invited to InkBunny back in beta, I didn't think Furry needed a new site, but one day, a fur I knew told me how he contacted you and asked for a music section on the main page and within a few hours, there it was.  I realized then, that there are many furs who host some website or another, but there are few who care about real users' experiences.  Because of your devotion, this website thrives where others merely exist.  For that I thank you.
catprowler
4 years ago
What can be said that hasn't already been, over and over.

So,  ditto  ditto  ditto  ditto  ditto  ditto  ditto  ditto  ditto  ditto  ditto  ditto  ditto  ditto.


Oh wait I'm not sure if anyone actually thanked you for letting us all know what is up.  This could have all been done behind the scenes and most would never know at all.  It is nice that you considered to allow everyone to know up front and kept things from being rumor city.
LeonHunter
4 years ago
Best of luck for your future endeavors
starling
starling
.
Scorpiious
4 years ago
Well spoken, and many congratulations to you! =^^=
PantyGremlin
4 years ago
This site has been the best art site for me. I truly enjoyed it the most with its very friendly community. Good Luck with you future endeavors, I hope to see what you make of it.
overfiend87
4 years ago
As long as the publisher isn't EA, I'm sure you'll get along fine :) Also a kickstarter is a good way to gain any additional funding. Sounds like a lot of fun.
RuscoIstar
4 years ago
Thank you for bringing this site to life, the best ship one could ask for. And not only best luck but also, may you have the best success with your new endeavor.
KaiYLlwynogSlei
4 years ago
Thank you for all you have done thus far, and all the hard work you put into the site,
starling
starling
.

Congratulations to you,
GreenReaper
GreenReaper
! ^^ Here's hoping for even /more/ years of greatness!
TayFerret
4 years ago
Gotta +watch you now, Starling, for video game updates!
Sho
Sho
4 years ago
Starling, thanks for all your time and effort put into Inkbunny & good luck on your next project.
BlastoTheHanar
4 years ago
So, the only real news is that
starling
starling
will be a bit less active. ;P

Really, I've had to be reminded which of the two were site owner all the time. Okay, maybe I exaggerate, but still. You can't say
GreenReaper
GreenReaper
wasn't always just as much a part of the site since it went up. That's this user's passive observation.

I've tried not to be selective in my view of the different fur sites I go to, other than in uploading according to policy, but it's impossible to deny IB is where the fun is.
Inkbunny is where I've discovered my favorite furs, even if their presence was bigger elsewhere, and where I've made all my friends in the community.
Nothing can change how important that is.
KSimba
4 years ago
Thank you so much for all your hard work and making a place like this possible. Best of luck with all your future plans and ambitions :3
frubaklop
4 years ago
Down with the usurper!
Firedrake1
4 years ago
For what it's worth, my greatest hopes for your continued success, as we have all seen on here.
Kudos, Starling.

I'm looking forward to updates on this new project of yours!
SenGrisane
4 years ago
You created something great. And I am glad you got a chance to work on something else that I am sure will be just as great.

Good luck!
MaDrow
4 years ago
Hopefully IB stays in calm sea despite this change.

Best of luck at your new job
starling
starling
~! |=(:3

And also congratulations and good luck
GreenReaper
GreenReaper
~! |=(:3
Lamia
4 years ago
null sweat, chum. g'luck in your struggles
Locutus
4 years ago
" multiplayer co-op space sim and RPG combination

after the fail of X: Rebirth, i'm greatly interested in that one!

.... but to the main topic:
thank you very, very, [....], very much,
starling
starling
, for your awesome work and commitment! You did an absolutely great job here, giving the people, who wheren't welcome any more on *cough* other sites, a home and the opportunity to form an awesome community.
I'm very sure that
GreenReaper
GreenReaper
will do a great job!
RaiRaijin
4 years ago
Ugh, this site lives on unfortunately...

I would kindly like criticize the site itself, Inkbunny needs a major overhaul big time for a variety of reasons:
1. The tagging system is highly inefficient, I iterate this because when you block a specific tag, owners can easily evade that tag block with another tag meaning the same thing.
2. Inkbunny attracts Crazy bastards like the Infamous Donro/monglor/Ornod who ultimately destabilize the site against itself, I suggest have a forum board to help against this kind of thing as to create a more stable community or at least a reputation rating system.
3. IB needs a better rep because this place is considered a joke by many other furs, they literally laugh when someone mentions the name Inkbunny. I cannot even iterate some of the stuff that I hear about this place half the time, here is an example https://www.sofurry.com/view/581113 some users even tagged it rape... That's pretty horrible...
4.Major interface overhaul, I am not even gonna lie, this place is clunky to navigate, it needs to be more stream lined in its GUI.
5.
" Locutus wrote:
You did an absolutely great job here, giving the people, who wheren't welcome any more on *cough* other sites, a home and the opportunity to form an awesome community.
I am not even going to iterate this again, IB attracts the Mentally deranged of the Furry community and the people who aren't welcome on other furry sites are not welcome for very specific reasons. I feel that the Adminship of IB should really communicate with other furry sites to root out 'problem child' users (Ex: Donro) and keep track of who is banned from other Fur sites.
6. Better categorization system, Nuff' said, especially when it comes to different types of artwork.
7. an IB hosted Chat, it allows for other furs of this site stay in touch and updated with others.

I am glad GreenReaper is the owner now because I hope we could see some changes for the better.
FriskyWoods
3 years, 12 months ago
InkBunny already has an established identity, and the freedom to post artwork that other sites prohibit is part of that identity. If you're not happy with this, why not move to another site with those restrictions, instead of demanding that InkBunny be something that it's not? There are other art galleries out there if you're not comfortable with this one... Weasyl, for instance. It's not your place to tell the admins to appeal to your tastes, at the cost of everyone else's.
RaiRaijin
3 years, 12 months ago
" FriskyWoods wrote:
InkBunny already has an established identity, and the freedom to post artwork that other sites prohibit is part of that identity. If you're not happy with this, why not move to another site with those restrictions, instead of demanding that InkBunny be something that it's not? There are other art galleries out there if you're not comfortable with this one... Weasyl, for instance. It's not your place to tell the admins to appeal to your tastes, at the cost of everyone else's.


You realize the IB's lack of any form of communication amongst users has effectively created paranoia, allowing those who can manipulate such hysteria to pit users against each other. They is more drama here than there is SF, especially since the shit that hits here is more grandscale than the petty squabbles over in my resident furry site. The worst part is that little issues get so blown out of proportion here, like someone arguing that they used the same pose as another artist, Big Fracking Deal! Even to make things worse is that the people that do have money on the site use it to dominate artists who albeit rely on Art for a secondary income, Artwork here gets the point where its just whatever the said commissioner wants.

Not to mention SF's kicking IB's ass on the liberality of its works, you can find cub there as well. Seriously, not to mention the fact that IB's Tagging system is antiquated compared to SF's where if you actually block something, it stays blocked! Not even to point where someone can simply circumvent it using Synonyms
thekitkatgamer
4 years ago
good job greenreaper on becoming owner
ProwerPower95
4 years ago
You say you look up to GreenReaper, and you yourself has made a terrific job at making inkbunny so I trust you. GreenReaper promise me inkbunny won't become the next google+, this place is too awesome for that.
GreenReaper
4 years ago
When you start getting prompted to change your username to your "real name", you'll know . . .
ProwerPower95
4 years ago
I'll take that as a yes, thank you.
lambcannon
4 years ago
all the best... keep in touch
LunatheDusky
4 years ago
I wish you the very best in your new future starling, good luck and hope to see you around
KetRalus
4 years ago
Cool. I met GreenReaper once before when he was conducting a survey at a con. Seems like a nice guy. =} Best of luck!
darkdoomer
4 years ago
it's good to know the site remains between good hands, with people who cares.
thanks to all of ya !
Zippo
4 years ago
Ive been here since the beginning and this been great so far where FA failed you guys picked up and it turned out pretty well. Being a part of softpaw magazine was one of the better things thats happened to me in my miserable life, being published that is, to make others happy in my simple ways. I am glad to own all issues. thx again! :3
Bunnycub
4 years ago
Congrats to both of you...  It's good to know you'll still be around Starling and I hope the game company is a big hit
And Mr greenreaper its good to see we still have a qualified captain at the helm
FatalSyndrome
4 years ago
Cheers!
SojiroEX
4 years ago
*clap clap clap*
sp
sp
4 years ago
I missed this somehow.

I wish you luck Starling and I hope IB continues to be the welcoming and friendly place I've come to love.
I wonder if the no human yiff rule will be reconsidered now?
GreenReaper
4 years ago
I believe the our policy is still appropriate for various reasons:
* Legal: issues of checking characters' ages, portraying RL people, depictions of bestiality, etc.
* Resources: taking up disk space and bandwidth for non-furry material, requires upgrades
* Focus: staff and most users are here for furry, adding humans dilutes their interest and passion

Basically, we're here to support the furry arts. There are sites which provide for human erotica already, and we'd rather let them take the significant legal and technical burdens of doing so.
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sp
4 years ago
I can understand that, but the no human sex rule cripples IB.
Its this single rule that has kept IB second to FA for years, most people I know only use IB as a second site largely down to this rule.

I'll give you an example, in my story a woman in her late 20's, early 30's beds her collie after realizing he's what she's been missing.
Now since he's an anthro and their both are consenting adults it means it isn't bestiality.
Surely you could amend this no human sex rule to only ban only human children in adult situations.
GreenReaper
4 years ago
Inkbunny is not aiming to be a better FA than FA. It is perhaps closer to say that we are aiming to be the best furry art gallery, though this does not encompass all that we do. We would rather have a better site, that our users enjoy more, than a bigger site.

Of course, often these two goals are compatible! But art and stories involving humans are a distraction. They're tolerable in small amounts when the cost and risk to the site (inc. users and staff) are not too high. But we did not set out to make a website exploring the sexual proclivities of humans, and because groups of humans have criminalized forms of fantasy involving them, it is both safer and a lot less work for us to exclude them. In particular, we have no desire to spend time determining whether a human character is 16 or 18.

Non-humans are not natural legal persons. That is why you can eat them, study on them, etc. Any sexual interaction between a legal person and an animal counts as bestiality. (It cuts both ways, though. If it were not for this principle, cub artwork might be illegal.)
sp
sp
4 years ago
I would enjoy IB more if I could post all my work and I know others feel the same way.

I do feel this pointless rule is holding the site back, as at one point Sofurry didn't allow human, but once the rule was changed the site grew and attracted new artists and writers.
And where I can understand trying to prove or disprove a human's age you could just set it so all human's in adult situations have to be 25 or older, that way they can't possibly look underage and there's no doubt.



GreenReaper
4 years ago
The question isn't whether we're being held back, but whether we want to go there.

There's no doubt that permitting humans would attract some users, and be appealing to others. I talk to people on a regular basis who say the same thing as you. However, many of these people primarily create or commission work involving humans. Allowing the work they enjoy would result in a site where humans are more prevalent, attracting visitors who are only fans of such work.

Inkbunny was set up to serve and celebrate art created by furry fandom, not human fandom. People donate and staff serve because we offer something special to that community. The risk is many key stakeholders would feel the resulting site is worse, because it is no longer focussed to their interests, is slower due to traffic, costs more to run, has human porn to moderate, etc.

You can see examples of this in the comments to this journal (in which humans were first allowed at all). Concerns over what art is seen may be mitigated by the fact that users can block certain keywords; but this does not help entirely (as is clear for cub art), and does nothing for many of the other issues mentioned above.

We regularly review the site's permitted content, but changes are likely to be gradual and limited. Our first priority is to our original mission, and we will not expand beyond that until it's clear that the benefits outweigh the costs.
sp
sp
4 years ago
Well that didn't happen on sofurry, pure furry art and stories still dominates the site.

Why don't you hold a pole asking everyone on IB if they want this site to expand an allow human porn.
And I don't mean just human like FA allows, but human as long as there's a furry presence in it, an animal or anthro like SF does.
When you think about it, IB is just as well known as FA, has a better lay out and better staff, so why does IB only have a third of the users FA has when this is clearly a better site?
I'll tell you now its the human rule that restricts IB and forces people to use FA when they would rather use this site.
Before the cub ban on FA this site was largely unknown, but because IB allows cub and FA doesn't has made cub artist flock here.
If you allowed human the same thing would happen again.
Also if the people here feel so strongly about human porn/human on anthro then why do you add an option in the menu that filters human out.
But going by the fact more and more people are posting cropped pictures of human art with links to FA, SF and dropbox should be telling you people want this.    
FriskyWoods
3 years, 12 months ago
I have no issue with the no explicit human content rule. This is InkBUNNY, and the focus should remain on furry characters. If you want nude humans, you'll just have to go somewhere else.
baronsamhedi
3 years, 12 months ago
Frankly allowing humans on the site is a legal headache that is just unnecessary.  
" FriskyWoods wrote:
I have no issue with the no explicit human content rule. This is InkBUNNY, and the focus should remain on furry characters. If you want nude humans, you'll just have to go somewhere else.
FriskyWoods
3 years, 12 months ago
And yet people keep demanding it anyway. It's almost as if they know what problems it would create and want to push for it in the hopes of destroying the site.
GreenReaper
3 years, 12 months ago
Oh, I don't think we need to resort to conspiracy theories. :-)

Human/animal sexual interaction is a popular topic of artwork, and we'd probably allow it if humans hadn't made so many laws on the topic. That's it in a nutshell.
FriskyWoods
3 years, 12 months ago
I hope you'll stand firm on this policy. I get tired of people requesting something IB was not designed to offer over, and over, and over again. You'd think by now they'd realize they're not going to get what they want and just give up.
Jade1ndigo
4 years ago
Thank you, Starling for a transparent and forthright explanation of a change that could have been hidden and glossed over.

I wish best of luck to both you and GreenReaper with your projects going forward :-)
Melkiah
4 years ago
Starling, I've been on IB since the beginning, and boy... what a wonderful job you've done over the past 4 years. May IB live long and prosper :)
baronsamhedi
3 years, 12 months ago
Been with IB since the beginning.  Still my go-to furry art site.  
wolfeedarkfang
3 years, 11 months ago
I can't possibly think of a better person for the job. :)
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