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Is it that hard to use the Blocklist?

by CPCTail

I'm not going to mention which subject sparked this as it could be applied to anything.  I've been noticing for a while now that people are wishing or outright demanding that 'X' should be blocked, banned or that IB should make a completely new website for.

What happened to the block feature?  That still exists doesn't it?  I'm still using it.  Not seeing any of the things that I don't want to see.  Why aren't those others people using it?

What I'm witnessing, instead, is that people are trying to have IB do what FA did.  Ban content the loud individuals don't want to see.

Why?

I can...faintly understand why FA caved to it.  For the longest time, they didn't give users the ability to block keywords.  Using keywords wasn't even enforced.So sorta understandable that there would be a demand to ban a ton of things as there were no other options aside from ignoring it (which, let's face it, for some people; that's impossible)

But IB had that feature right out the gate.  You have to include some keywords for your post.  Even gives the option for others to add keywords if the artist allows.

So again, I ask: Is it really that hard to use the Blocklist?

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KevinSnowpaw

3 months, 2 weeks ago

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I to do not understand why You can ask people to block Scat, gore, rape, vore, watersports, ECT but the moment it comes to THE TAG THAT SHALL NOT BE NAMED there suddenly to lazy or refuse to do it on principle or they DO do it and then continue to gripe about it anyway...

SMH

Kupok

3 months, 2 weeks ago

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You're talking about AI, right?

Problem with this one is drawing scat don't require one to go around collecting other people's shit.
You can block AI and pretend it doesn't exist but it's still snatching everyone's shit.

CPCTail

3 months, 2 weeks ago

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@ Kupok

I'm not confirming or denying what the subject is about as it would just spark more arguments.

This could be applied to anything. And my point is that this us the same kind of stunt that was pulled over at FA.

People really want that kind of mindset here?

alphamule

3 months, 2 weeks ago

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@ CPCTail

That place has cancer. Which sucks, as it used to be one of my favorite places to visit. :(

Kupok

3 months, 2 weeks ago

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@ CPCTail

You asked why. I cannot speculate on the behalf of others, only summarize or reword their known expressions.

And that fear in other artists is very real. They have even observed their own styles and occasional unique signatures remade in AI- or at least claim to.

No one fears other traditionally blockable subjects will damage their trade. That's the why. I am not endorsing the why, or saying the why is correct. I am explaining the why, because you asked why.

beforethefall

3 months, 2 weeks ago

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@ Kupok

I gotta generally agree with you. Most tags are just kinks and yeah, I'll blocklist kinks and move on with my day, it's not for me but it doesn't hurt anyone.

AI harms artists though. Every dollar that goes into an AI-generator's ko-fi or patreon or for AI commissions is a dollar that isn't going to a real artist.

At the same time, that AI stuff is only possible because those same artists (who are losing out on community support) had their art stolen without their consent, in order to train the AI model that is now siphoning away their monetary support.

There's a distinctive difference in the effect it has on the community which is the cause for complaint, not "I don't want to see it".

So I have to say...yeah, what tag it is really does matter.

I'm not even a foaming at the mouth anti-AI person. I think it has its place, but that 'place' isn't an end product. Pose and lighting references, for unskilled people to realize references for characters (to then give to a real artist for ref sheets), etc., it has its uses, but there's a bigger ethical concern.

Anosaphia

3 months, 2 weeks ago

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@ beforethefall

This. There's a big difference between blocking a kink or artist you don't like and billion dollar fraudsters scalping artwork wholesale from tens of thousands of people without consent or even acknowledgement for an incredibly dishonest, unethical, and environmentally ruinous industry chasing a toxic pipe dream.

LLM's have value in translations, in mathematics, in data sorting, in organizational tasks, and possibly even outlining and brainstorming. I have much less regard for them in terms of image generation, triply so given that image generation reinforces all the worst, shadiest, and scummiest practices that have poisoned the well on them so thoroughly.

CPCTail

3 months, 2 weeks ago

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@ beforethefall

Okay but here's the thing about this:  Blocking it isn't going to make people stop using it.  Banning it isn't going to stop people from using it.  Segregating it isn't going to stop people from using it.

I'm from oldschool internet.  The time where paysites were the only way to get 'the good shit'.  And with that time things like IRC, peer2peer clients, chan boards and torrenting sites were all a thing.  Pirating other peoples art was very much so common place.  And if one of those aforementioned things went down, two more would crop up.  Regardless of all the ramped pirating, those selling their art continued to be successful with their business.

There was one very well known artist who was infamous for threatening lawsuits and such for people pirating their stuff.  Still didn't stop people from pirating it.  Didn't matter anyway as the guy continued to be successful regardless.

Here we are in the present, where it seems like everyone is putting their art behind a Patreon or something similar.  And theres a pirate site out there for all of those.  Yet, artists who has a follow that wish to show support, get support.  AI has been around for quite sometime now.  Accessible for anyone to use and is relatively cheaper than commissioning artist.  Here in the States, we're going through a massive inflation; which would be more of an incentive to choose the cheaper option over commissioning an artist.

However, despite that, artists who gained a following on their patreon or subscribstar or whatever the equilivant; if they were already successful, then they are going to continue to be such.

Bottom line is, people who want to get something for cheaper or free are going to hunt for that option.  In todays day and age where everyone has their hand out for money, you're going to have those who are willing to give and those who aren't.  For the ones that aren't; they weren't going to do it anyway.  Blocking or Banning or Paywalling isn't going to change their minds on this.  If they want to get it free, they're going to get it.  This is the internet.

Movies get pirated
Music get pirated
Software gets pirated
Art gets pirated

If it's digital, it's going to get pirated.  AI is a different beast as it's technically isn't pirating.  It can mimic an artist's style, but it's not pirating or stealing as the artist did not draw whatever the AI came up with.

An example I use here is this:

Artist- Draws really good straight content.
Person - Wishes to commission artist to do a gay piece
Artist - Denies as they don't do gay content.
Person - Offers to pay more for the picture
Artist - Denies and (rightfully) gets annoyed that Person is begging them to draw something they don't like
Person - Is disappointed as it seems there's no way to get the picture in that artist's style.

Here comes a new challenger!

AI - can be trained to mimic that artist's style and give the person close to what they want.
Person - Uses AI instead and is satisfied to get what they desired.
Artist - Suddenly claims that AI is taking money from them

This is more common of a scenario than people want to admit.  The artist isn't losing money that they weren't going to gain anyway.

beforethefall

3 months, 2 weeks ago

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@ CPCTail

First and foremost, I appreciate the level tone and proper discussion by the way, it's refreshing to not have serious talks about serious subjects devolve instantly into shouting matches. Kudos despite our differing opinions. :o)

I am from the Old Internet as well. Don't worry, I remember it quite well. Regarding piracy, there's an important distinction between piracy and AI; Piracy does not create 'new' content. AI does.

Before AI came along, if someone wanted a new picture to happen, they'd save up some money and commission an artist to produce it, they'd mooch and beg, or they'd learn to draw it themselves.

Now they don't have to. They just download the latest model off civitai and prompt it out of a checkpoint built using artwork that was used without the artists' consent (and let's be honest, probably referencing published prompts/loras/etc from Inkbunny AI posts to get better results). The result: New 'content' has been created while depriving the community, at large, of the monetary incentive to produce that content.

Yes, the US is going through unprecedented inflation and other financial turmoil currently. That doesn't change the fact that artists still need to eat, too. That same inflation impacts their ability to survive off their support from the community as well, making getting a """real job""" more attractive in lieu of producing artwork to pay their bills; which we see quite a bit of already in the furry community. If fewer people go to them for artwork because we foster a culture where AI-generated content is seen as 'just as good but for free' those artists eventually will not be able to continue doing what, arguably, has served as the backbone of the online furry community for four+ generations.

It is well within an artist's rights to refuse any commission based on subject matter. It would be against Inkbunny's ACP to post any AI picture that prompts the AI to mimic any artist's style; not to mention the ethical considerations for 'forcing' an artist's style onto subject matter they do not want to be associated with.

What's happening here on Inkbunny isn't that, though (see: ACP). It's people who are using AI to generate images that they are then claiming as their own and accepting donations/subscriptions/etc for. That money, specifically, is money that would likely be going to real artists who produce similar content were AI prompters deplatformed and AI 'artwork' appropriately stigmatized as the art theft that I believe it to be when used in this context.

A single AI prompter with a decent GPU can produce thousands of images in the time it takes an artist to complete one fully rendered piece of actual artwork. It's unfair to force traditional artists to compete against that on the same platform. (This is why I, personally, am in support of at least segregation of AI away from human generated content here, but I'm not particularly vocal about it! Partly because I'm really not a complainer by nature, but mostly the IB administration has made it abundantly clear that they have zero intentions to consider those sorts of suggestions from the community seriously.)

Generally, you're right - We can't stop AI now that the cat's out of the bag. The only way to really curb it and foster a healthier art community is to apply corrective pressure from a social standpoint against it, so people understand what exactly the repercussions of this new technology really are on the long term health of our fandom's extremely important art community.

MomartikPSITIME

3 months, 2 weeks ago

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Little grain of salt : it works on FA as you have one pic per post, which you're sure to block the right pic
Lots of posts here on IB have multiple pics, sometimes not related to one another
Imagine you want to block scat for example
If a set of 100 pics has only ONE scat pic, you'll block the 100 pics and miss 99% potential nice pics because tags apply to the entire post :/

CPCTail

3 months, 2 weeks ago

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@ MomartikPSITIME

That wouldn't be a valid reason to demand all of scat themed images be banned off the site, though.

Klandagi

3 months, 2 weeks ago

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@ MomartikPSITIME

This would be a good reason to do away with the 'multiple picture posts'.

Waccoon

3 months, 2 weeks ago

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@ Klandagi

It's very useful for grouping comics together. But, yeah, some people are lazy and abuse the feature.

It would be nice if there was such a thing as an upload class templates. As in, when you want to upload a bunch of similarly-themed pictures, you wouldn't have to re-type all the tags for each upload individually. That would save a lot of time.

CPCTail

3 months, 2 weeks ago

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@ Waccoon

That is a brilliant idea actually

GreenReaper

3 months, 2 weeks ago

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@ Klandagi

Well, they should ideally use pools for it, but also our interface for pools could be better (they are a later feature).

NekoTime069

3 months, 2 weeks ago

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People are inherently lazy and some like to complain bitch and moan and make a fuss about it they should just use the blacklist and shut up and enjoy the website without ruining it for others

Weiss

3 months, 2 weeks ago

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Complainers will complain, it's that simple

BogdanUrs

3 months, 2 weeks ago

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maybe IB should ban whining altogether xD

Kittzy

3 months, 2 weeks ago

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Maybe moving the 'Blocked Keywords' button from under the "Account" button to up on the top right where the "Search" button might give them no valid reason to complain. Complaining about seeing AI stuff or anything they don't like, when the site has a blacklist and keyword suggestions is idiocracy.

Meaning anytime one searches for anything, they'll be reminded that there is a blacklist feature.

Jewelwriter

3 months, 1 week ago

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It's sad that filters/block features are not used by some & instead people go full Karen on things that have obvious sorting features. It makes things worse for so many when people don't know about that feature. [Recent evolution is from e621 where you can quickly censor a keyword and edit it back in that quick a moment.]

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