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Atlasfield

1 month ago

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@ NSFWTOONS

Mmm, I don´t know, it was so weird.

I felt I was talking with an AI, the guy insisted I was using loras for my videos, I don´t use loras, I just animated my pictures of my galleries using AI app allow animations of 5 seconds.

Then showed me the rules, outdated, from 2022, about AI, loras, prompts and else, but I don´t use anything about it, I was, then tell me what to do with the videos, and again the topic of loras.

It was pointless, and not exist on the rules anything about AI videos, I don´t understand why was removed.

I feel sad because I had already 3 videos for post (2 telling a personal story), but well, its time to move, I guess.

NSFWTOONS

1 month ago

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maybe because of how your so skilled at what you do with drawing, it almost looked like it was done with an a.i. generator or so.

Atlasfield

1 month ago

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@ NSFWTOONS

Or maybe people is already confusing real pictures of AI pictures.

I don´t know, but that was pointless and dumb.

NSFWTOONS

1 month ago

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perhaps, but i still stick to original without coding or anything

Telain

1 month ago

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Edited 1 month ago by Owner

I said loras are only required if used. I never said you used them. What I did say is that you had to have used an AI model, and if you don't know what model it was the program you used probably isn't one that'd be approved for use on Inkbunny. That or you need to look into it more.

I showed you the rules from when the ai changes were made in 2022 when you said "since when" to show that they've always been written to cover all ai content, not just images.

You are welcome to post ai videos, if you do so within our rules: Using an open-source tools and sharing the required generation info. If you can't find a tool that satisfies the rules, you could link to them hosted offsite in a journal or the image they're based on.

Atlasfield

1 month ago

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So it was you.

So why did you insisted on the topic of loras? I told you many times I don´t use loras on my pictures and on my videos, there are just AI apps, these will never show you the open code.

Get it?

Now, people asked me about the use of what AI videos used on those videos, you removed these videos, the debates were cut.

You mentioned seeds, well not at all those app videos use seeds.

AND, I use A LOT of different AI for make every clip of 5 seconds, the only thing I do is mix all.

So in base your logic, Should I put on every clip the info of the seeds, the "loras" and even the code on videos have 2 minutes?

You are nuts, and your rules sucks and are obsolete on the topic of AIs, AIs of 2022 are not the same as today and the tools.

Telain

1 month ago

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Edited 1 month ago by Owner

I did not insist on LoRAs, I insisted on models. And there are many ai apps that show you their code and meet the open-source requirement we have in place.

All ai generation uses seeds. Again, if it's not something presented to the user, the app is not suitable for Inkbunny.

If you're stitching together multiple clips, then yes, you'd need the generation info for each of them.

Atlasfield

1 month ago

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Oh damn not again, loras, models. Bruh I told you the AI apps I use, I know my english sucks but understand, I don´t use anything about that, no stable diffusion, no midjourney.

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Info of EACH CLIP of 5 seconds for a video of 3 minutes?

Then screw you and your stupid rules.

I´M OUT.

>x(

Telain

1 month ago

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Hailuo AI says it uses "I2V-01-Director", "I2V-01-live", or "I2V-01". Unfortunately these do not appear to be publicly avaialble models, and so aren't acceptable under our ruleset. I wish you luck on finding another place to share your videos.

Atlasfield

1 month ago

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.l.

JakStrieder

4 weeks ago

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Edited 4 weeks ago by Owner

huh?

bbbuuu

1 month ago

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Sorry to hear this; you've got good art. I've seen some people elsewhere accuse Ahnes and Chicobo of AI art before, just because of their coloring style, which is bullshit. But yes, if you want to use AI tools to animate your own work, it's stupid that they would penalize you.

Atlasfield

1 month ago

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@ bbbuuu

Now those artist are literally loras.

Kind of sad many artist lost their identity because an AI replaced they.

DrInfinity

1 month ago

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que mal que te haya pasado esto. en donde mas te puedo seguir?

Atlasfield

1 month ago

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@ DrInfinity

En pixiv, DA, newgrounds, blue sky (ya hice la cuenta), me encuentras como Atlasfield.

Hay una cuenta falsa en twitter-X con el mismo nombre, así que ahí no vayas.

Y... y creo que ya, al menos esas son las importantes. xD

DrInfinity

1 month ago

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ya te sigo en bluesky. suerte!

furloverguy84

1 month ago

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Sorry to hear that you're leaving.

Atlasfield

1 month ago

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@ furloverguy84

Me too.

Not only the thing they removed my 3 videos is the thing made me angry, is they treated me like a fool, I know what is a damn lora, I don´t use loras for my pictures and my AI videos.

Is unfair and it says a lot of the guys of support team are "for help".

I felt for a moment I was discussing on FA or worse, DA.

Atlasfield

1 month ago

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BUT I will stay here reading comments, I will only stop to publish art.

furloverguy84

1 month ago

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PlushiBear

1 month ago

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Hakuna Mataha. *gives big hugs*

Gashren

1 month ago

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:(

Well, see you elsewhere, I guess... It's still sad that you have to leave though.

bigd33309

1 month ago

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Since I met you since I came here to Inkbunny for the first time or so, you had some great art and I liked it a lot. But now that you're leaving after I had favored some to most of your art here before I commented on them one way or another, and after I liked your art a lot as well. I wish you lots of good luck, and I do hope to find you somewhere else online soon. God bless you Atlas, thanks for everything here at least, may the power protect you just like in Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers and I'll hopefully see you again soon on Furaffinity or somewhere else online soon. God speed, and safe travels Atlas.

Bigd33309

tazzer

1 month ago

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First FA now here. It sucks seeing a great artist getting crap thrown at him. Be seeing you my friend :'(

Atlasfield

1 month ago

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@ tazzer

There is the guy, up, he stills with the topic of loras.

Damn it I am tired of that topic.

ScottySkunk

1 month ago

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i wonder if inkbunny support team is just one guy. Ive had them force tags of cub on pics with OOO even though his character is 29. lol. just small andncute

Atlasfield

1 month ago

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Probably they are children, their minds don´t work properly.

Or, maybe they are AI, that will explain why there are a lot of AI people here.

comjuke

1 month ago

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They just did the same with me, telling me off for not having it. On a picture that was posted 12 years ago.

GreenReaper

1 month ago

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Edited 1 month ago by Owner

Unfortunately it's hard for us to justify saying to users "yes, he totally looks like a cub and is also called 'baby' by people he calls 'daddy' but because he says he's 29 it doesn't need the keyword that you want use to block it" (the one that we specify is required where it applies).

ScottySkunk

1 month ago

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what i ment on that was that ive had individual mods with their names talk to me and then "inkbunny support team" which i think is one spacific mod

GreenReaper

1 month ago

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Edited 1 month ago by Owner

No, that is just what you get when any of us tick the "anonymous" box, which is usual for official site business and is always emailed too.

ScottySkunk

1 month ago

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ArielCelestia

1 month ago

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I think you're overreacting for sure. Don't let one single conflict ruin the enjoyment of your art for everyone else, eh? InkBunny is the best spot for you to be!

Blackraven2

1 month ago

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GreenReaper

- this sounds like a misunderstanding, would you be able to into this? Would suck to lose a good artist over shit like that.

SpongebobsPineapple

1 month ago

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I agree. This sounds like a big misunderstanding. From what I could gather, both sides did something wrong. Maybe

GreenReaper

should take a look at this.

Telain

1 month ago

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@ SpongebobsPineapple

It is a misunderstanding. I've replied to Atlas above and again explained why the content is against the rules.

WhiteSky

1 month ago

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I wonder if the misunderstanding lies within a language barrier as well. Because to me it's clear what the issue is but I'm not sure if Atlasfield here understands it.

GreenReaper

1 month ago

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@ WhiteSky

I was thinking that, too. I mean we can say "you violated the law!" several times, and that doesn't necessarily explain things.

Hopefully what I added below clarifies matters: AI work has extra policy requirements intended to make it more palatable to artists who feel like generators "stole their shit and are now charging others for it" (to paraphrase the argument).

GreenReaper

1 month ago

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Edited 1 month ago by Owner

Well, looking at the policy on AI and one of the movie submissions in question:
* The AI video tools are not specified, and many of them are implied to be proprietary online services
* The prompts and other inputs are not specified
* Nor are the original works (although it is said that they are works by the submitter)

It's OK to use AI but it has to be reproducible by others on their own hardware i.e. it should be possible to access for viewers to download models used by any service used, access the original inputs and run it through software and hardware locally to produce the same output - for the reasons outlined in our original journal on the topic (to confirm it wasn't prompted towards living/recently dead artists without permission, and to discourage the adoption of proprietary 'walled garden' AI services).

If that bar can't be met - and for most services, it can't; they want to keep their secret sauce private, usually to make money off of it - we don't host it on Inkbunny, though it's fine to link it in a journal.

Blackraven2

1 month ago

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GreenReaper

- sorry to bring that up here, but I have a question for clarification

"	If you used an AI tool to produce assisted output from input you created (eg. img2img): - The image must be tagged with the ai_assisted keyword - You must include the original input as part of the submission

What if the original input can not be shared on IB due to violation of the upload policy (for example because its a photo of the artist or similar - its an easy way to enforce a certain pose by self-modeling, then do fur, gender and style change with AI to match a character) would an offsite link to said content be sufficient? asking for a friend >;)

GreenReaper

1 month ago

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I think that'd be fine per se and something similar came up recently in the moderator chat, however that might run into other issues like "I used a photo of a naked human" and then you get into the Photography policy where:

* It must not show actual people or actual animals engaged in sexual activity, or show nudity or arousal.
* Photographs containing actual animals should not focus unduly on their genitals.
* It must not show actual body fluids, waste, blood, gore or death, or allude to sexual activities or illegal activities.
* Photographs that have been traced or have had filters or effects applied to make them look like artwork will still have these rules applied to them.

...thus making the AI "filter or effect" output prohibited...or "I used someone else's photo" and then it needs to follow explicit permission given for derivative works, etc.

Blackraven2

1 month ago

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Thanks for the clarification :)

SpongebobsPineapple

1 month ago

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Thank you. This makes things much clearer to everyone

Atlasfield

1 month ago

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And you still on the same topic.

Don´t you understand I don´t use trained AIs for my videos?

Type "hailou ai".

Blackraven2

4 weeks, 1 day ago

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Well as I understand it, that's an AI for video generation. It uses a visual prompt (an input image) and generates many similar images in form of a video sequence. It's a generative model, except that it doesn't do style transfer or content transfer but a time domain transfer - making things move.

The existing rules for AI work cover that well, basically you can use that as long as you also upload the prompt/original image you used in the same submission, and the model is available for download - not a closed proprietary service.

It's this second part where hailuoai falls short. Although the service is free for a limited time for new users. the model is proprietary and there is no mention of how the model is trained (it would have to have been trained on exitsing video data to "imagine" the motion of characters - probably taken from youtube, but the webpage does not state anywhere, what their training data was)

So to comply with Inkbunny's AUP you need to do two things:
1. Upload the source image for each of the videos, as well as the metadata for its creation.
2. Instead of hailuo, which is proprietary, use an open source model from huggingface with publically available weights, such as https://huggingface.co/stabilityai/stable-video-diffusi... - or more likely a NSFW enabled finetuned variant of it

Blackraven2

4 weeks, 1 day ago

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