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fur1essshe1ter

2 months, 2 weeks ago

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I don't mind one bit tbh :)

Balmung

2 months, 2 weeks ago

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Sorry, but x.com is a complete no-go for me. I'm not giving that site any support.

Eggonaught

2 months, 1 week ago

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@ Balmung

lmao

Qwazzy

2 months, 2 weeks ago

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Yeah, the AI stuff is overwhelming now. I don't outright hate 100% of it like many do, as long as posters don't pretend it isn't AI or whatever. But it feels like it's oversaturated IB to the point that it's hard to find anything else. I definitely understand preferring to post somewhere that is more likely to get eyes on it compared to here.

PlaneshifterLair

2 months, 2 weeks ago

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I agree with your take on AI (I see an AI pic, I block art by that account...) but unfortunately X is not something I could support now, and I was -already- against it...

Nightdancer

2 months, 2 weeks ago

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- regarding AI, I would like a own category (and other posting rules), BUT if you don't want to see them, you the blacklist, then they are gone
- regarding hoomaz, I think it's better not to have them as loosing young_anthro instead!
(I don't need hoomanz anyway xD )
- I will NEVER use X (even Twitter was like "Shitter" to me)

Katlek

2 months, 2 weeks ago

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@ Nightdancer

IMO ai shouldn't be allowed in the popular section. The thing that I always liked about IB is that it never felt like a social media site. The endless scrolling layout is the last thing I want.

Katlek

2 months, 2 weeks ago

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Blacklisting works pretty well. So well in fact that i wasn't aware it was this bad.

neitsuke

2 months, 2 weeks ago

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@ Katlek

The popular section has been flooded with AI stuff for quite a while. It's nowhere close to 90% but it's still a high ratio, something around maybe 30/40%
I really don't care about AI, in fact I'm all for it as long you're not a deceptive jackass
I can see how this is frustrating to many artists to compete against that, but the truth is people do not really care about the how the picture was made and by who, as long it looks decently good. I'd rather see AI slop than the usual censored/cropped Patreon ads and YHC reminders that's for sure

IGSA101

2 months, 2 weeks ago

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@ neitsuke

I'd honestly rather see the ads because I might eventually be interested, and at least it's actual art that took effort to make.

Katlek

2 months, 2 weeks ago

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@ neitsuke

This is not a social media site or atleast that's how i feel about it. It's not a sausage fest of who ahs more likes. People here do care how and who made the picture.

neitsuke

2 months, 2 weeks ago

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@ Katlek

It's not about popularity but artists being able to have a spotlight, especially for the new artists. That was and still is a problem on FurAffinity for instance because of the sheer amount of people, but most notably because artists keep spamming YCH/Commissions Open/Characters to sell constantly, without any way to blacklist/filter
Obviously you'll see a lot of people care about the artists and "morality" of the art here because you're on a website made for artists, but I'm referring to the audience, bigger than you think if you count the lurkers and people who do not comment. The fact remains most people do not care about the morality and the artists behind the art. They're here to consume it

Katlek

2 months, 2 weeks ago

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@ neitsuke

lurkers aren't the problem

Fens

2 months, 2 weeks ago

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Edited 2 months, 2 weeks ago by Owner

Thank you for the update!  I still love your work!  But...

- I don't blacklist AI, and as yet I have yet to see more than three AI pieces in popular submissions at a time - if that.  I'm not sure what I'm doing differently to people who say they're seeing mostly AI.
- As others have said, blacklisting things you don't like, be they kinks or AI, is something everyone should be doing. If someone hasn't tagged their work appropriately, use tag suggestions.  If they don't allow that, report them.
- I, too, just want to make clear I stay as far from the-website-formerly-known-as-twitter as I possibly can.  I too hope you find an alternative that doesn't make my skin crawl and my security sense go off, if you won't be active here.

BunnyQueen

2 months, 2 weeks ago

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Yea, I was so disappointed seeing ai shit anywhere near the top of front page.
I'd also recommend making a bsky tbh, twitters probably gonna come crashing down at some point with how musky man is fucking it up.

SoulCentinel

2 months, 2 weeks ago

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@ BunnyQueen

the problem with bluesky it's the same as twitter but with a quarter of the reach. Cub content still gets you banned and there's some bots sighting already

Lunamann

2 months, 2 weeks ago

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@ SoulCentinel

A quarter of the reach, except a crapton more interaction. Seriously, on x I was getting next to zilch, meanwhile on bsky I actually get... well, about as much interaction as I get on inkbunny or furaffinity

SoulCentinel

2 months, 2 weeks ago

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@ Lunamann

ok? my point was more about how ban-happy they are. and the platform is just the same as twitter. it is social media more than art gallery.

Lunamann

2 months, 2 weeks ago

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@ SoulCentinel

I mean, fair. My point was more that I'm still way happier with bsky than I ever was with twitter. But it's definitely *not* a gallery site-- that's what sites like FurAffinity, Inkbunny, et al are for.

kekitopu

2 months, 2 weeks ago

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@ BunnyQueen

some of my friends already got banned from blue sky for drawing nsfw cute characters, I would get banned so quick lol

BunnyQueen

2 months, 2 weeks ago

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@ kekitopu

Ah shit, I guess baraag is the best we got for now?

furf

2 months, 1 week ago

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@ kekitopu

This is what I've been worried about. I've posted Cream there before but it's only a matter of time before the moral purists and helicopter staff take action.

kshrike

2 months, 2 weeks ago

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Edited 2 months, 2 weeks ago by Owner

The AI slop is extremely frustrating.

I do have AI blacklisted however. It does help (for now)

Smolfoks

2 months, 2 weeks ago

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Put down the AI crack pipe and pick your pen up

Arupu

2 months, 2 weeks ago

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I stopped drawing furry art a couple of years ago, so I had completely wiped my original gallery on here.

It really didn't help that indexed (8-bit) images would always break this site, lol.

Lunamann

2 months, 2 weeks ago

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I and a lot of other people have put AI on the blacklist, and that gets rid of the slop.

As for x.com... no can do. I've deleted my x account, I can't see ANYONE'S x account anymore

...Now if you had a bsky...

fibs

2 months, 2 weeks ago

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I blocked the AI, but that doesn't mean it isn't damaging. People who haven't blocked AI yet are liable to just ignore the popular section entirely rather than go thru the effort of blacklisting.

PyroarNala

2 months, 2 weeks ago

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i have various ai terms image blocked and it has made ib so much better

DancingChar

2 months, 2 weeks ago

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I agree about the AI thing. I think we need to start being louder about it. IB's reputation is falling through a trash chute at the moment.

Demesejha

2 months, 2 weeks ago

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Ai slop ruined this site and the paranoia isnt helping the situation unfortunately

Emenius

2 months, 2 weeks ago

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Spot on with the AI shit. I don't mind it, but it absolutely needs its own section. I'd compare it to TAS speedruns: they're their own separate category and never get lumped in with human speedruns. As for why it hasn't been done? My guess is just laziness.

But I will say that it actually has affected how often I browse the front page now, which is to say I don't do it anymore.

ApolloTheScholar

2 months, 2 weeks ago

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Yeah, I really wish it was it's own category. I don't know why IB is so against solutions like that. Even a little tick mark in the upload saying "This was made using generative AI", we already have tick boxes for maturity level of content, shouldn't be too hard to add another box. At the moment, even if IB doesn't see AI as an issue to the platform, they should at least see that a large portion of people using the platform aren't happy with it. I was seriously considering donating now that I'm making money off of my stuff and appreciate IB for what they do, but I just couldn't bring myself to support the sinking ship.

eeveefan

2 months, 2 weeks ago

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@ ApolloTheScholar

because they dont want the extra work. kadm keeps making excuses for it but i think things only ever get done if a massive uproar happens (much like what happened with pedos on the site).
the mod team is also extremely tiny and i dont really see any mods doing stuff or commenting on here. i said for a long time that they need more staff but they only want very few people that they select..
i guess make your own assumptions on it but thats what i gather from it *shrugs*

GreenReaper

2 months, 1 week ago

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@ eeveefan

It's never really been a "too much work" question, at least for what most have asked for, it's "should we do this at all?"

Music and writing is not separate from Popular or Recent, as the original poster said, but in addition to it to give them extra promotion. They do not exclude a class of content from being considered from those sections, which are simply designed to show what is new and what is popular, without bias towards or against any particular type of content. The issue is AI is legitimately popular with respect to furry art consumers (it's not just views, it's +favs too).

Many would like 'ai_generated' to be a default blacklist item. To me that'd be submitting to social pressure for censorship of a minority interest, just the same as adding, say, 'cub' - something I was asked not to do by Starling when taking on the site.

In both cases, there's legitimate concerns about how such work is generated - which we tried to address with policy (you're not meant to trace photos of children either, after all). And in both cases people go to extremes to argue for a position of censorship to have a site they are more comfortable with, at the expense of the minority posting and enjoying such work.

I'm more open to the idea of a checkbox, but it'd default to show rather than, because otherwise it would bias the legitimate popular status of AI content. I fear many won't see that as a solution, but that is because they want to censor what others see [by default], rather than what they see.

kekitopu

2 months, 1 week ago

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@ GreenReaper

I'm not asking for it to be censored, just separated from real art by default, the people who like it can go to their own section and do whatever they want, I don't think its fair to new artists when they have to compete with AI to be seen at all, specially when the machine can shit out 200 images in the same ammount of time that it takes to draw 1 thing.

GreenReaper

2 months, 1 week ago

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@ kekitopu

Counterpoint: it is fair, in that each work has the same space; many humans lose to the machine because they are slower at generating pixels and not distinctive enough from AI for fans to choose their work.

You want to make it unfair, so as to support humans creating it rather than machines. But a lot of fans just want the pixels, rather than the artist (and they've always wanted it for free). You have your own gallery here, but prominence beyond that has always depended on the reception of the work by viewers.

I guess the question is whether furry art is a sport/hobby for which there can be said to be an unfair competition within different classifications (like men vs. women vs. men on running blades), or a consumer product (inasmuch as the price for generated work has to be 'free' here) - and also to what extent IB is intended to support traditional artists as producers, vs. furry fans as consumers. I have always seen it as a balance - but with Popular more for consumers, because it is based on the interest expressed in a work by consumers vs. what an artist features on their user page/pools.

Personally I have always preferred traditional art, and when I buy art it is usually that. Digital art is faster, so furry artists doing it have tended to outcompete traditional artists, except at the high end. But now it is also easy for computers to do digital art...

kekitopu

2 months, 1 week ago

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@ GreenReaper

I'm not trying to start a debate, just clarifying that I'm not asking for anything to be censored, and explaining why I kinda forgot the site existed for a couple weeks.

Also I don't really care about the pixels themselves. I'm talking about other things that are important to me. discoverability is something thats important to me, I like finding new artists and I value human input, which takes longer and more effort, if it gets buried on a pile of generated pixels I get nothing of value to me personally.

discoverability is also why I was able to grow an audience on IB and not on FA, FA only gave you like 2 seconds on the front page and unless you were already "popular" it was pretty much impossible to reach new people. here I was able to reach the popular front page a couple times when I was still new. if thats lost because it got buried on a montain of ai slop it would be a shame IMO

I personally don't see the issue with just having an AI tab with all the ai stuff for people who want it, and to make it easier for people who don't wanna deal with to ignore it. but its up to you anyways, its your site.

eeveefan

2 months, 1 week ago

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@ GreenReaper

your question should be "do we want out site looking like deviantart?"
that site has countless ai spam on it, countless ai adopts and ai garbage thrown into it every day. no, adopts or selling ai content is not allowed on inkbunny, but i am seeing people here constantly "forgetting" to tag their ai created stuff properly and just hoping people dont notice, it is why i am going around and correcting these tags and reporting them should they have tags not enabled for people to tag. ib has a very VERY small moderator count on it and half the time i dont see them doing anything, and more in particular about human nsfw content that i report.

having an "ai art" or "ai content" tab on here would benefit everyone including staff. throwing these ai arts in the ai section would automatically put the correct ai art tags on them, and anyone trying to upload them normally to bypass the ai tags would be punished should it be proven they did that maliciously.

i am not trying to say censor people, im not trying to say rake them over the coals. im trying to say that ai generated stuff shouldnt be flooding the main page or the popular sections on ib.

greenreaper, people can only tolerate so much before it blows up. if it gets worse or people cant get traction here they will just up and leave and thus your site loses more traffic. people wont stay if they cant get more business to their arts or be noticed because of all the ai junk being uploaded here. ai content can be dumped on a site and is far faster then making it by hand.

want an example? look no further then deviantart. last time i was there there was COUNTLESS ai content accounts making ai adopts and they were up to their 7000th adopt! again, adopts that are ai generated cant happen here, but this just sets an example of how bad it will get. if people can just come here and dump ai "art" here then soon this site will be flooded with a ton of pretend artists dumping their ai content here and flooding out a ton of other people from becomming popular or getting attention for their art.

GreenReaper

2 months, 1 week ago

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@ ApolloTheScholar

Thank you for considering a donation, however it'd be better for you to use that money elsewhere, as I wouldn't want to give members the idea they could influence site policy through donations. See the comment above for my personal view.

As a practical matter we can't currently take donations anyway other than by bank transfer - in the past it was a little easier due to third-party payments - and I have sufficient funds to maintain the servers indefinitely without any donations if required (it's about $10/day).

ApolloTheScholar

2 months, 1 week ago

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@ GreenReaper

Don't worry I have already decided not to support the site for the mentioned reasons. Wasn't expecting any sort of official response, more just airing my experience and agreeing with Kekitopu. I appreciate what is being done to maintain this site and am glad that on the financial side it is covered, but it does confuse me that on the creator side it's rather fragile. Given that I keep seeing creators leaving over the issue of AI. You said that fans just want to see the pixels and I think I agree with you, but that isn't what seems to keep the site running from a community standpoint, it's the artists typically. If you're fine with inkbunny becoming a place where generative AI rules supreme, then soon it will. But then what will be it's pull other than legacy accounts? What's stopping it from being replaced by one of the countless other AI platforms?
I like Kekitopu's idea of a separate tab of AI generated "Popular", AI not being blacklisted by default, but having it's own top category? If you just want to see the hot pixels, you can click AI or both, but if you want to see art made by humans you can click the Non-Ai popular.
I like IB, but with more and more of my favorite artists leaving, going elsewhere, or delaying uploads, it feels like "What's the point of being here?"

GreyMaria

2 months, 2 weeks ago

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AI slop costs a lot of money to store on this website, but I'd bet the yearly server costs that none of the slop shovelers are contributing to that cost.

eeveefan

2 months, 1 week ago

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@ GreyMaria

as more storage gets used storing that stuff the costs of adding more servers will go up.

Tsuu

2 months, 2 weeks ago

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I don't mind Ai content, as long as it isn't taking away business from artists. I prefer it more for personal use than for uploading.

you should upload to bluesky. :)

kekitopu

2 months, 2 weeks ago

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@ Tsuu

no I should not upload there, I would get banned in 2 seconds

subjectm8

2 months, 2 weeks ago

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dad finally came back with the milk and cigarettes

PoptartsFeralLove

2 months, 2 weeks ago

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The only thing I have blacklisted is AI. it's so much more bearable now

Kettukarkki

2 months, 1 week ago

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That's the exact sentiment I have with the AI stuff here. I also got watchers when starting out thanks to the popular section. Every piece of AI media there is taking the spotlight from a real artist.

EmbertheArtist

2 months, 1 week ago

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The human stuff i can understand somewhat, but the AI stuff......yeah that's something that needs to go.

Daneasaur

2 months, 1 week ago

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I stopped uploading here full stop and won't do it until or unless all AI slop is permabanned.

CottonCaramel

2 months, 1 week ago

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isnt that literally every ar site now... like AI swamps the actual artists... and people who generate it think they are artists, but they are just thieves, its frustrating...

Roripopu

2 months, 1 week ago

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I come here solely for business and leisure.
I do wish they can find a way to divide the AI and real from the gallery search.

Eggonaught

2 months, 1 week ago

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Edited 2 months, 1 week ago by Owner

Yeah, this place is almost useless now. I don't even mind AI (it's better than me!), but the no-humans thing is so crippling and pointless

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