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lordbeast69

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if you make sfm content apparently ink bunny will take you down so sfm artist make a nest somewhere else anywhere but ink bunny
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Added: 6 years, 8 months ago
 
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NeenBeanMachine
NeenBeanMachine
6 years, 8 months ago
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SFM in general, or just the Sonic SFM? Does that include all forms of 3D art?

And also just in general, what's the source of the info?
lordbeast69
lordbeast69
6 years, 8 months ago
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from lordbeast69
at 23 May 2018 05:09 CEST
My account was hit for apparently me using stuff that isn't mine but in fact I'm using sfm a animating tool and I only use free to the public models. I feel my content has been falsely reported seeing as I did not break your policy I ask that you could please restore my content to there publicly viewable state

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from Inkbunny Support Team
at 23 May 2018 06:06 CEST
Please try to limit tickets addressing the same issue. I will re-iterate our Accept Content Policy (the policy which dictates what you are allowed to post on Inkbunny:

Screenshots
No screenshots from games or other software unless they show your own artwork or creations. Your creations in the screenshot must be original and not just modifications of standard avatars, models, templates, etc that come with the software or that you purchased from other creators.

This section makes clear that screenshots must contain content created by you. Simply posing or animating models created by others is not enough.
NeenBeanMachine
NeenBeanMachine
6 years, 8 months ago
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Oh damn.
Aryentai
Aryentai
6 years, 8 months ago
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hum...... ok, hey budy, wanna look my gallery? i started to do images like you
lordbeast69
lordbeast69
6 years, 8 months ago
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move to a different site bud im moving
Aryentai
Aryentai
6 years, 8 months ago
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what site do you recommend me?
lordbeast69
lordbeast69
6 years, 8 months ago
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NeenBeanMachine
NeenBeanMachine
6 years, 7 months ago
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Someone named ToxicTigerEX has a fair following over on FurAffinity, and he does a lot of SFM stuff and edits/headhacks of KabalMystic's models. I'll probably move over to Tumblr but I'll head to FA too.
Hornybunny
Hornybunny
6 years, 7 months ago
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Have you tried contacting
GreenReaper
GreenReaper
directly?
Ask the head dragon himself.
GreenReaper
GreenReaper
6 years, 7 months ago
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Edited 6 years, 7 months ago by Owner
It's in the rules and that was the way it was meant to be applied. The problem is that it isn't an original model that they created, or had created for them. We just don't see the artistic value in having 1000 different renderings of the same model, in repetitive "show off my genitals" poses, any more than 1000 different photos of the same fursuit (especially if the model/fursuit isn't even "their art" to begin with).
chacumera
chacumera
6 years, 7 months ago
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what about SFM video's?
kamperkiller
kamperkiller
6 years, 7 months ago
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Okay, so if people used their own hand made assets instead of MMD Models Ripped from Sonic games then "upgraded" with little effort to SFM would that be okay?
GreenReaper
GreenReaper
6 years, 7 months ago
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Yes, because they'd be original models. We don't have an issue with the character. Just the rendering of the same assets in a relatively unoriginal fashion that just shows off features of the models that we've already seen 1000 times.

We've also allowed reasonable use of unoriginal models to show off an original costume that needs to be rigged on a model in order to display it as it was intended (similar to how you need your fursuit to show off a new fursuit costume, even if we have seen that fursuit before) - as long as the use of the model is within the derivative works policy (including appropriate crediting, which many people don't).
SetsuneW
SetsuneW
6 years, 7 months ago
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Wow, this is the exact same talk FA started before it yanked me around like a ragdoll over Poser. And it was all up to the whims of the admin currently looking at it. I followed the rules to the letter there, and I STILL got snide comments from admins and even had to purge my account once over it. Retroactively applied new rules, right before they changed again.

Animation work is work. It should not have to pass some arbitrary bar to be considered "good enough". Otherwise, you'd better be prepared to apply the same "quality standard" to drawings. And let's not even start on music, unless you're going to require any digital artist to record every single sample themselves.

I've dealt with this elitism at FA before, and I don't want to see it here. I thought IB was better than that.
SetsuneW
SetsuneW
6 years, 7 months ago
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I wrote this before seeing your feelings on 3D works as a whole. I won't try to appeal to you any further on the matter.
Jeffron
Jeffron
6 years, 7 months ago
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I agree with you, as soemone who does 3D animation vids for posting on youtube I cannot tell you how long it takes for me just to make a ONE SECOND CLIP, hell even a THREE second clip.

You have to put the time to make sure the motions good, you gotta make some adjustments, etc, that can take up to at minimum three to four hours, plus depending on what you're rendering, 3, 5, six hours, hell I've done animation clips that took me 10 hours to render. It's ridiculous how much effort is actually put into that. Seems really unfair judgement 3D artists are getting here.

Sorry to ignite an old topic btw, still I'm with you on this regard.
Hornybunny
Hornybunny
6 years, 7 months ago
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I take it that this applies to free to use or pay to use bases.
GreenReaper
GreenReaper
6 years, 7 months ago
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Edited 6 years, 7 months ago by Owner
Yes, the distinction is whether they're yours or created specifically for you vs. available to everyone (for a price or otherwise). I could see us extending that to a specific group of artists where they have all had input into the creation of a model.
Hornybunny
Hornybunny
6 years, 7 months ago
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That would mean 90+% of my non-written gallery isn't allowed.
GreenReaper
GreenReaper
6 years, 7 months ago
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Then I guess you are lucky that I'm packing for ConFuzzled and don't have time to go hunting through your gallery? >_>;
Hornybunny
Hornybunny
6 years, 7 months ago
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I don't have the time or energy or will power to delete 1000+ items from my gallery.
StoneHedgeArchive
StoneHedgeArchive
2 years, 4 months ago
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Oh wow... very professional...
papertoilet
papertoilet
6 years, 7 months ago
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Uh, should we really be worrying about “artistic value”? Context should be noted, here.
GreenReaper
GreenReaper
6 years, 5 months ago
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The context is "Inkbunny isn't just a furry porn site looking for content that will get lots of views, it's a volunteer effort run by donations, and we'd rather host a bunch of kinda-crappy-looking but original renders of people's own models over highly polished but identical 3D models if it helped people develop as artists".

We can have a discussion about whether such works heavily relying on derivative works effectively constitute sketches in 3D, but part of my concern is that people are using the existence of prebuilt models as a crutch to avoid developing the relevant model-building skills. That'd be more acceptable if the non-original components were stated upfront, but with this kind of work it's almost never even tracked, let alone mentioned.
MisterPhantom
MisterPhantom
6 years, 7 months ago
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you could make a furaffinity and post stuff there too, they allow human stuff too
Hornybunny
Hornybunny
6 years, 7 months ago
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Technically, fa has the same policy.
MisterPhantom
MisterPhantom
6 years, 7 months ago
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Edited 6 years, 7 months ago by Owner
Pixiv?
MisterPhantom
MisterPhantom
6 years, 7 months ago
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" Hornybunny wrote:
Technically, fa has the same policy.


are you sure, cus I've been in fa and they're still posting sfm stuff without posting a jornal of how they don't allow it anymore
RawAxis
RawAxis
6 years, 7 months ago
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I can confirm they're more strict in FA...

But same as in here mods don't have the time to check on all users so if an user is not very famous they won't ever notice.
MisterPhantom
MisterPhantom
6 years, 7 months ago
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e621.net then
RawAxis
RawAxis
6 years, 7 months ago
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Yeah that would be a good alternative, there isn't much of a community there but at least IB users could post links of their works here.
lordbeast69
lordbeast69
6 years, 7 months ago
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E621 hates sfm as Well they take them down in like a few hours
RawAxis
RawAxis
6 years, 7 months ago
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Ooops, well there is also pornhub lol, but yeah it has to be animated.
lordbeast69
lordbeast69
6 years, 7 months ago
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Even my animated one got taken down lol
RawAxis
RawAxis
6 years, 7 months ago
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From pornhub? I still see a lot of Sonic SFM animations in there...
lordbeast69
lordbeast69
6 years, 7 months ago
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my Animation is on pornhub so are
Darksorm
Darksorm
videos and
shockingace
shockingace
videos so its a good place
RawAxis
RawAxis
6 years, 7 months ago
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Glad to know that!
Keeran
Keeran
6 years, 7 months ago
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Edited 6 years, 7 months ago by Owner
ecchi.iwara.tv may be your best shot, buy credit must be given
RawAxis
RawAxis
6 years, 7 months ago
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I will check that out since is the first time I hear about it
DarkAlex
DarkAlex
6 years, 7 months ago
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Edited 6 years, 7 months ago by Owner
They don't hate sfm. They remove all low-effort or low-quality content. I haven't seen them removing any SFM content if it's something more than a badly-lit scene with weird poses.
kamimatsu
kamimatsu
4 years, 3 months ago
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nope.
specterHSC
specterHSC
6 years, 7 months ago
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Will you be taking commissions on Tumblr?
lordbeast69
lordbeast69
6 years, 7 months ago
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Yes
Jeffron
Jeffron
6 years, 7 months ago
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https://inkbunny.net/j/318487-Jeffron-this-sfm-rule-iss... I'm with you guys, hopefully we can resolve this.
kemix1006
kemix1006
6 years, 7 months ago
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As long as we don't go full retard like FA's policy on "Hate groups" I really don't care. I don't have the time or energy to do 3D models.
Mewtwolover
Mewtwolover
6 years, 7 months ago
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I recommend SoFurry, SFM and human stuff is allowed there.
LillyCorthaine
LillyCorthaine
6 years, 7 months ago
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Last time I used sofurry, they disallowed human stuff.
Literally someone tried stalking me for simply saying that a user could link to another site in a journal to a human image they did cause they weren't allowed by TOS to post it.
Mewtwolover
Mewtwolover
6 years, 7 months ago
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Edited 6 years, 7 months ago by Owner
It's allowed now, their AUP says:
" SoFurry is a site for furry art. That said, humans are allowed in furry artwork. You may also upload artwork of humans as well as species close to humans (elves, orcs, etc) - but note that we are a furry site and the majority of your gallery should be focusing on furry art, or creatures generally associated with the furry fandom.

Human-only submissions must be tagged with the keyword "Human-only".
LillyCorthaine
LillyCorthaine
6 years, 7 months ago
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Ah, yeah that would explain it then.
I can't even login (forgot password lel) so I didn't bother checking the AUP again.
That's actually one thing that dis-interested me was the no-humans rule, and even IB's variant of it still is dis-interesting, but I just figured I'd focus on DA FA and IB

I got way too many art site accounts x_x
Keeran
Keeran
6 years, 7 months ago
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Edited 6 years, 7 months ago by Owner
TBH, for a site such as this,  I mean the rule was set in stone as far as SFM animations go. Yeah, getting poses and animations together is tough,  but if you look at a 2D artist's perspective,  it's tougher because you have to do EVERYTHING from scratch. There's no shortcuts around it. the character, the pose, the animation, the background has to be done on your own. So I personally don't really find it fair for someone who has to do that  get overshadowed by 15 other people who downloaded the same model, made some porn  screenshot renders/animations, and posted here -- all while NOT giving the original modeler/rigger any credit because  a LOT of SFM animators here and FA don't bother crediting the original creator of said models. Even within the MMD/ STEAM SFM community,  people give credit out of respect of the creator on places like DeviantArt and such. It's a given rule.

But my thing is,  Take this as a chance to  learn modeling/rigging  yourself. Don't get in this comfort zone of  just using other people's works, because no matter how  your own work looks, you get this feeling of accomplishment knowing you created your own models. the pride of working hard is probably the sweetest feeling you'll ever get. Plus you'll have an awesome skill under your belt.

Don't believe me? Ask someone like
tchaikovsky2
tchaikovsky2


Now, with that being said,  If you ARE to want to use other people's models,  https://ecchi.iwara.tv is probably the appropriate site to do this. Just make sure to give credit where credit is due.
kamimatsu
kamimatsu
4 years, 3 months ago
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Edited 4 years, 3 months ago by Owner
half the 2d stuff i found are bases
HDG
HDG
6 years, 7 months ago
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https://inkbunny.net/j/318619-DeltaHooves-my-future-con... Not trying to fuel a Drawn vs Posed vs Written war here, but I'm with LordBeast69 on this one. I can respect the effort 2D artists put into their work, I really can, but I hardly see it as a reason to cut out 3d art in it's most user friendly methods entirely
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