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That's 50/50 right there but one can dream right?

TheDragonEmperor

11 years ago

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I'm betting on the Harem ending. Go harem! Spike gets ALL the mares! ;)

elderflowerpudding

11 years ago

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ok, i feel like i should address this so as to not cause this to become more of a big deal than necessary =P
the ending will -not- be the harem ending =P however, twilight does, in times to come, accept spike completely and let him fool around. she recognizes it's his nature and just wants him to be happy. SO the alternate endings will both deal with the harem theme pretty explicitly.

TheDragonEmperor

11 years ago

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So in other words, let's say Spike and Twilight stay together and Twilight allows Spike to screw other mares to fulfill his needs, but keeps an eye on him to make sure he isn't going overboard. Am I right?

elderflowerpudding

11 years ago

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pretty much, yep

TheDragonEmperor

11 years ago

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So it's somewhat of a harem, but not truly. Okay, I do find this acceptable.

DarkTailskp

11 years ago

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Second comic idea right there. XD But really that'll be extremely hard to deal with letting the person you love mate with others even if it's their nature, has to hurt still but maybe they can find a way around this. Would say maybe have Spike to try to stay mating with only one mare, but comments above kinda ruins that...

TheDragonEmperor

11 years ago

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It's still a nice thought though. That and I firmly believe Spike can get every single mare.

DarkTailskp

11 years ago

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Well I'm a Spike X Rarity supporter, I just don't like pairing him with Twilight as I see them as either brother and sister or mother and son, as for Applebloom...in this yeah but in the show no they hadn't shared enough time together yet.

TheDragonEmperor

11 years ago

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I'm a huge Sparity supporter myself. However, I think Spilight does have a lot of potential as well. As for SpikeBloom, I don't think that pairing will EVER happen like FlutterMac.

DarkTailskp

11 years ago

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....Fluttershy I do not see with Big Mac at all. XD And as I said I see Twilight and Spike as brother and sister/mother and son so that blocks me from supporting them as a couple fully.

CodieCub

11 years ago

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You messed up a you in there, it says "Did yoddu know..."

Yurusa

11 years ago

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@ CodieCub

Woops, posted my comment before I saw yours

elderflowerpudding

11 years ago

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@ CodieCub

fixed. thank you! ^^; NO idea how i even made that typo or missed it the five times i read over it...

CodieCub

11 years ago

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Now for my real comment, awesome as always, nice to see the compromise good job Twi <3 (by twi i mean you sexy yoshi~)

elderflowerpudding

11 years ago

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@ CodieCub

=#O *raises her big tail* yep, pretty sexy over here XD

thank you <3

KittyGuardian

11 years ago

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Oh, you naughty yoshi, you...
You just couldn't help, but offering yourself to the poor cub, could you? xD
Well most likely they wouldn't mind so it's fine.

Ouros

11 years ago

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Aww! <3 Heart warming! :)

Yurusa

11 years ago

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In panel 4 when Twilight says Did you know it's spelt Did yoddu know. Great page tho

datcatty

11 years ago

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So, are we going to get more mares having sex then or...?

I always feel a bit awkward about projects like this because there is a lot of sex and the focus even seems to BE sex, but a lot of it doesn't have any sex, so I don't know if I'm reading a clop comic with a lot of story or a story comic with a lot of clop, and thus which it's okay for me to be wanting. :/

elderflowerpudding

11 years ago

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@ datcatty

the story's supposed to make you feel good about clopping to it because the characters have.. well.. character =p but yeah, please, clop ^^ that's what it's for. and starting the page after next, the rest is all sex, so...

RockAtDusk

11 years ago

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*double fistpumps* YES!! Twilight actually put part of the blame on herself! This is already my favorite nonporn page of the comic! She's learning! ^ ^

frostcat

11 years ago

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*reads panel 2* "Wait....Twilight became herself and is actually thinking?!"

(positive comment and not being a smartass)

Coop

11 years ago

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All is forgiven?

elderflowerpudding

11 years ago

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well, there are still the other five mares...
but it's looking that way, yeah ^^

Coop

11 years ago

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Who stand with bowed hind legs https://www.dropbox.com/s/d0s164ntttbqd2j/Photo%2015-03...
Oh and https://www.dropbox.com/s/a7wlurg4cyc3eqa/Photo%2015-03...

elderflowerpudding

11 years ago

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heheh. welp, it's canon now XD

Coop

11 years ago

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Think I gave you ideas :p

DanteRageWolfington

11 years ago

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And rainbow dash knows he's back there, remember the lake scene? ;3 hehe

Coop

11 years ago

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@ DanteRageWolfington

Yerp

silentwolves

11 years ago

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ROFL on the second image ^_^

Coop

11 years ago

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@ silentwolves

Bad spike!!

AJtheDogWolf

11 years ago

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Yay! Everything is cleared up! ......Right?!

elderflowerpudding

11 years ago

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@ AJtheDogWolf

next page, my friend. next page.

ArcCahlon

11 years ago

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its great seeing this not become a witch hunt. hopefully understanding the mateing rituals of dragons they will be more understanding. but him being amongst ponies he still needs to learn to observe there customs as well.

Qwazzy

11 years ago

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Ah, finally she talks something normal.

RainbowDash09

11 years ago

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It's great to see twilight not to be putting the blame on others excluding herself. Great Page, though. I wish and I really wish I had money to donate. This is the best comic ever and I would hate for it to end.

elderflowerpudding

11 years ago

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@ RainbowDash09

well it's ending after page 65 anyway so we can work on other things; that was always the plan =P thank you for the thought ^__^ if you -do- end up getting the money to donate, it may be better to donate to the alternate endings over on www.kitchan.org. cuz i'm pretty confident we'll get enough to finish out the main comic, especially considering it's almost all sex from here on out.

heropie

11 years ago

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want happen to the egg? o3o

elderflowerpudding

11 years ago

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@ heropie

is still there, incubating, trust me =3

PandaStorm

11 years ago

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@ heropie

Oh my gosh that is one of the best icons I have ever seen O_O

The cuteness makes my chest hurt...

(in a good way)

lunchmoney

11 years ago

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"Have sex with whoever you want, sometimes by force, and in the end THEY'LL apologize to YOU."

Best moral of the story ever.

Spike, eat these ponies now. They're too dumb to live.

FlorpFlorble

11 years ago

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@ lunchmoney

...

Okay, let's go through this one more time shall we?

Spike was affected by greed, literally changing him much in the same way his birthday spurt did.

First was Twilight, which was fine... Then Pinkie Pie made a big deal of voyeurism, Rainbow Dash practically went down on him by force, greed starts to kick in irrepairably about now, Pinkie Pie gives him a lapdance and then a trail of candy literally into her genitals...

Everything after that was no longer Spike's fault, n'or responsibility in the same way you can't get angry at an alcoholic for having a relapse if you stick a funnel in his mouth then a six pack of hard cider down THAT. What's worse is that in the first panel you can see that they acknowledge the dragon thing being a problem that they ignored when it meant them getting laid.

This was a great page that stormshi knows I've been waiting a long time to see. Definitely worth the build up, and the first few panels definitely, definitely, make the whole thing what it is.

Top stuff.

lunchmoney

11 years ago

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@ FlorpFlorble

Okay, let's go through this one more time shall we?

I was affected by illogical plot resolution, literally changing my opinion of this comic much in the same way the first sex scene did.

First was Twilight, which was fine... Then Pinkie Pie made a big deal of voyeurism, Rainbow Dash offered to go down on him and he put up no resistance despite being in a relationship (showing no remorse and happily claiming that Rainbow Dash was even better than Twilight), any sympathy or respect for this horndog is damaged irreparably about now, Pinkie Pie has sex with him in front of everyone (effectively supporting my "they're too dumb to live" argument) and then a trail of candy leads to a sleeping female's genitals ("Well gee whiz, do I respect my relationship with Twi or rape this defenseless girl stupid... Tough call...")...

Every comment I've made after that was no longer my fault, nor responsibility in the same way you can't get angry at a sex-crazed dragon for humping anything that dares to exist and own a vagina (oh wait, yes you can). What's worse is that in the first panel you can see that they acknowledge the rape thing being a problem that, like Twilight, they'll now ignore because they're truly too stupid to live.

This was a logic-defying page that stormshi knows other rapists who haven't acted yet due to a shred of morals remaining have been waiting a long time to see. Definitely worth drawing and uploading my own alternate ending to, and the first few panels definitely, definitely, make the whole thing what it is.

Clop fluff.

elderflowerpudding

11 years ago

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@ lunchmoney

"	lunchmoney wrote:
	This was a logic-defying page that stormshi knows other rapists who haven't acted yet due to a shred of morals remaining have been waiting a long time to see.

XD ok, i'll try to keep in mind that i'm encouraging rape in my community. lollololololololol

dude, your other points on the comic have some truth to them. why blow that on a silly, angry poke like this? :P

fyi, i don't think rape is good. :|

lunchmoney

11 years ago

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Best I could come up with on the spot. I'll try harder next time.

elderflowerpudding

11 years ago

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@ lunchmoney

i consider myself trolled :3

DerpinDerg

11 years ago

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OMG LOGIC THANK YOU SIR. This comic has been great, I gotta say ^^

Dragon316

11 years ago

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Yay, all is forgiven. :)

PeachClover

11 years ago

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Relationship does not equal ownership...

FlorpFlorble

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It also doesn't mean the inherent right to cheat. Twilight's acknowledging an open relationship... later, after she's healed a bit from Spike's polygamous frenzy.

She isn't claiming ownership, she's just wounded a bit and asking for proof of commitment before he can do stuff like that again. A mutual respect and understanding is not too much to ask for in a relationship and sometimes it has to be earned, particularly if it's been lost.

PeachClover

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@ FlorpFlorble

When you say "cheat" you refer to ownership. I don't recall Spike promising Twilight that he would not yiff any other pony, so Twilight's assumption that he would not is her own folly.

elderflowerpudding

11 years ago

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i think you're missing the point. in twilight's own society, relationships do somewhat equate to ownership, mutual ownership. that's what she was talking about with the marriage bit, and that's the reason she gave for why spike's actions hurt her. and why shouldn't they hurt her? it's the societal climate she grew up in.

but then, she blatantly expresses that she -doesn't- want to own him. instead, she wants to let him be who he is and to make him happy. still, the fact remains that she's not used to that way of looking at things and will need some time to change. and spike implicitly agrees to that by accepting her apology and saying he loves her too.

in my headcanon, twilight does eventually accept that he can screw whomever he wants as long as she knows about it beforehand. and spike agrees to this as a compromise since twi's not the only one who's in a cross-culture relationship and has to make sacrifices for the sake of their partner's happiness.

this is as close to a loving, mutually beneficial relationship -without- ownership as, i think, anyone gets.

Lightpaw

11 years ago

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Oh....I....omigod. Beautiful.

Strebiskunk

11 years ago

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While I've been enjoying the story so far, my only issue is with the drastic shift in tone between the last page and this one. Twilight seemingly went from super angry to smiling and understanding in the blink of an eye. I can appreciate that they're looking at all sides of the issue, but it just feels like everything got turned upside down so suddenly.

But anyway, sorry if I'm rambling a bit. Thank you for continuing to share this story.

elderflowerpudding

11 years ago

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that's fair. again, lack of planning.

i'm sure it would have had a slower-paced discussion if we hadn't run up against space constraints.

glad you're enjoying the comic ^-^

datcatty

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And, not to rag on you or anything, but it seemed like the opposite happened for the other mares. They were all reassuring Spike that all was forgiven and they stood up for him and were too forgiving, I thought...

And now Pinkie seems pissed and they're talking about how much he was wrong for what he did and Twilight is basically saying that they're being too harsh on Spike, even though they were never harsh on him at all (save, briefly, for AJ).

So are they just enormously two-faced or was there some kind of big shift between these past couple pages?

elderflowerpudding

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@ datcatty

the plan was to express that RD and Pinkie were forgiving of him on the surface because
a. they were ashamed of giving in to their desires, and forgiving Spike meant they no longer had to deal with the difficult issue, thus showing they were as irresponsible themselves as Spike was;
b. they didn't realize how much the little things (like Spike not letting RD go all the way with him and Spike not sleeping with Pinkie so they could spend the next day together) hurt them;
...and that the other mares, who were full-on angry at Spike, would remind them of those things and make them bitchy again.

but that plan didn't turn out so well. they just all seem bipolar. one of the biggest (if not -the- biggest) problem with this comic was that i overreached on multiple levels. most of Kit's and my plans for how to improve further comics involve scaling back and focusing more on the solid elements. for example: lower page count, fewer characters, fewer parallel plot lines, less but more effective dialogue.

at the same time, neither of us wants to focus so much that we lose sight of our goal, which is to tell a meaningful story along with porn in a comic (thereby suggesting that sex is an important and not shameful part of everyday life). we don't think any other comic out there--that we've seen--meets that goal either. we feel that even comics that are purportedly deep and artsy end up being kind of confusing, simply sap, or both... ...and that it's a shame that the comics that have the raunchiest, best feeling sex have NO story whatsoever. so we're exploring uncharted territory, and it's just hard to find that right balance/level of focus.

datcatty

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Maybe part of the problem there is that it's difficult for the reader to know when they're being honest or just lying, so we tend to take everything they say as them being honest because there's no way to know which is honest and which is false. We have no glimpse into what they're thinking and, unfortunately, their expressions are difficult to read.

I don't mean to come off as complain-y. I read it, so obviously I enjoy it, but it's just something to think on in the future. :)

elderflowerpudding

11 years ago

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that's a good point.

BlueonBlack

11 years ago

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Bout goddamn time the writing got around to the POINT of this whole thing.

No offense Stormshi, but you need to learn the simple fact that Brevity is the soul of wit. This should have taken one page, not four or five. This comic has been kicking around repeating itself and kicking the main character like an abusive pet owner for WEEKS, and frankly, I'm glad its finally starting to Climax.

KittyGuardian

11 years ago

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Ya, you are right .... if it was a purely porno comic. But it isn't...
If anything it should have taken longer, to be able to make all the points it was supposed to make, but there was no time and space for everything. Twilight is a great author and she knows what she is doing. She just set herself too many goals to be able to cover in just one comic. But I am sure it will get much better with more experience in comic writing as opposed to just story writing. :)

elderflowerpudding

11 years ago

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^pretty much this^

i agree that you're right. could have been -better- paced from the very beginning. but i will note that it's not fair to say it's been happening for "weeks!" that's just an artificial notion due to our release schedule. :P it won't seem that way to someone picking the comic up for the first time now.

my bad if i'm reading this into what you're saying incorrectly, but i think your comment implicitly glorifies a style of presentation that comics traditionally take, a well balanced mix of direction through art and narration through writing. i've studied (literally taken courses on) a few of this type of storytelling comic, and... well, i don't like the way that style feels, to be blunt. i think it can feel cheap and rushed, especially if the wrong elements are focused on. when i say "better paced," i just mean i want the interactions to be allotted the time they deserve not necessarily that i want to do them faster.

i guess what i'm saying is... it is porn. but we're also aiming to provide stories that the viewers can savor and prove that the two aren't mutually exclusive. once someone reads the story through, they know what's happened, then they can fap--hopefully harder knowing what the characters have been through :P so the fap fodder parts don't mean the story can't also be deep enough to where a person who -wants- to go back and read it several times can find new things to appreciate in it each time.

this story... didn't quite live up to that very nice-sounding theoretical goal. but i think our comics will eventually bridge the gap between porn and story.

BlueonBlack

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I don't mean to say the comic is bad or low quality in any sense... but my statement that it's been kicking around for weeks (for those of us following since the beginning anyway) is 100% accurate.  This comic has been going on for nearly a YEAR, and that's insane!  I mean, it's a hell of an accomplishment for you both to have had such a long running series be successful, and I applaud you for that...

But I feel what *might* be what's killing me here is that you're trying to fit too much in at the end far too quickly.  A page of dialogue that takes me (a competent reader) 5 minutes or more to read and process fully is just too much.  Now maybe I'm having an off day or something, I dunno, but I daresay that this part should have been written more succinctly, and drawn out a little slower, at least concerning the literal truckload of information dumped on us on this page.  (Which, I'm glad to note, I TOTALLY FREAKING CALLED.)

Either way, I'm trying to make constructive criticism here, not badger or demean your work, as if I didn't like it i would have stopped reading it LONG before now.  So please take my words for what they are, just an opinion, the gist of which being that Dialogue heavy sections should be better spaced and perhaps interspersed better in future endeavors.

kitsuneyoukai

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alot of the reason its taking longer is my fault, since im trying to up the quality of the pages to make it worth atleast 30$ and get more money =/ since im living off this as my job (just barely making enough to eat :P). i wish i could get it done faster x.x.

BlueonBlack

11 years ago

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@ kitsuneyoukai

"	kitsuneyoukai wrote:
	alot of the reason its taking longer is my fault, since im trying to up the quality of the pages to make it worth atleast 30$ and get more money =/ since im living off this as my job (just barely making enough to eat :P). i wish i could get it done faster x.x.

I totally understand how hard that is, and if I could, I'd do my part to help alleviate that pressure. I'd actually like there to be MORE pages, to pace the dialogue better per page, but again, that's just my opinion. I'm really impressed with how well this series has gone so far, and you have all my love for your part in it, Kitsu.

elderflowerpudding

11 years ago

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i agree with your take on the pacing completely. : )

PinkPony21

11 years ago

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Love and understanding all around.

TouUalas

11 years ago

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To tell the truth I was hoping for this... not the whole make up thing but the fact that its explained rather bluntly there are differences between ponies and dragons. Two TOTALLY different species here and being held to the same guidelines? Not really possible I think

DarkTailskp

11 years ago

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Interesting, wonder what the others would say? Well guess we know which Spike pairing won. XD Well let's just hope her friends can forgive him, Rarity of course may still be angerly but hey at least...he...you know what? The meme thought of hurting Rarity got Spike to revert back to normal so he clearly still has strong feelings for her, as stong as his feelings for Twilight? Idk but her feelings for Rarity clearly is still with him just buried a bit.

elderflowerpudding

11 years ago

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yeah. -if- the alternate ending with Spike X Rarity had won, that's the story we would have explored.

DarkTailskp

11 years ago

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I guess the -if- is a way so you don't give it away, but yeah if I could wouldn't paid as much as I freaken could for that ending. XD Spike X Rarity for the win.

elderflowerpudding

11 years ago

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heh, you could make a commission offer to kit for that ending and see if he bites. but i don't deal with money issues in our partnership XP

DarkTailskp

11 years ago

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I would but have to pay off a few other commissions hech "if I could", but I do wanna commission for a comic from you guys in the future. If I recall he said maybe after this one been so long ago.

elderflowerpudding

11 years ago

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i mean... i'm gonna be frank. and, again, i don't do money stuff, but this is my guess. kit and i really like deciding what our own content is going to be, but if you were to make it really worth his while, i bet kit would do a commission. that's not me trying to grab money now that we're popular or anything. just sayin that we were pretty happy when kit finished up his last commission so we could do our own stuff.

DarkTailskp

11 years ago

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I see, well OK I couild ask him about it after sometime.

AzuriaHill

11 years ago

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Not to be that guy, but am I the only one who feels a bit disappointed? I think he got off the hook a bit too easy (no, I didn't read the story in my defense)

PandaStorm

11 years ago

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@ AzuriaHill

Read the story. It's good.

AquaShade

11 years ago

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Awwww <3

ruink

11 years ago

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leave it to Twilight Sparkle to show how everypony was a biggot over "Spike's Cock Raging On"

jackblade

11 years ago

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this went from total oktoberfest after party to a realy touching story. the last few pages brought tears to my eyes somthing I usually reserve for the death of a loveable character. great job;P

elderflowerpudding

11 years ago

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@ jackblade

<3 glad you've liked it

passingthrough

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huh, i find it somewhat weird. me and few other people probably pointed out it wasn't spikes fault. here we are twilight says it's not completely his fault

i mentioned the lap dance issue. here we are the lap dance issue comes up.

i ask about the egg and all of a sudden. a brief mention of the egg . . . like 10 pages ago

wow, this wasn't planned out very well, was it?

KittyGuardian

11 years ago

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Or maybe all these things were planned to be addressed anyways and they are addressed now since time and space is running out and we are towards the end of the comic? Do you find that weird too?

passingthrough

11 years ago

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@ KittyGuardian

i never said. "this is fact, cause i say so" besides, my opinion doesn't matter. i'm just one person. anything i say shouldn't be considered important. i had nothing to do with the comic. now if i helped make it. then what i have to say, might be important. but since i didn't.

my opinions = not important

elderflowerpudding

11 years ago

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yep, KittyGuardian's right. you've been the victim of your own confirmation bias :P

passingthrough

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i could be wrong. you could have planned it out. i have no proof you didn't and you have no proof you did. well, you could give proof. but then that just brings up another discussion. is it fake or not?

i just find it to be a odd coincidence. Or rather it seems to be a string of coincidences. i ask question oh. their answer literary 1-2 pages after i ask them

but hey doesn't really matter. this isn't cannon XD

kitsuneyoukai

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the only things that have changed from what was originally planned from the start was :
1: applejack not fucking spike, since we couldnt think of a good reason for her to do him.
2: spike not fully raping fluttershy, since they couldn't reasonably forgive him for that.
everything else that has and will happen is as was planned. =T

elderflowerpudding

11 years ago

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i mean, i really don't mean to insult your opinion or invalidate you. i'm just saying that, when i say "it wasn't well planned out" to others, i'm referring to the pacing and things related, like the metaplanning.

KittyGuardian

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There is one more explanation of all those coincidences!
During the course of this comic, you have become a very good psychic/prophet!!! (If you werent already before hand.)
Which means the comic helped you improve as a human being and become something more, something better!!!
And THAT is amazing! <3

creepercats

11 years ago

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Is this the ending of the all the commic :(?

kitsuneyoukai

11 years ago

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@ creepercats

no theres 8 more pages =T

creepercats

11 years ago

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@ kitsuneyoukai

Sooo he is making 8 more pages till the end

Theyrn

11 years ago

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What's going to happen next? I'm guessing that spike and Twilight are gonna have some "I forgive you" sex. But the other girls are gonna try and get Spike banished. That's what I think anyway.

KirbyChan

11 years ago

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I'm a little confused...why are Pinkie and RD suddenly angry at Spike when they seemed to have forgiven him before?

elderflowerpudding

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@ KirbyChan

believe it or not, i addressed that further up this page of comments, here :P

Bledar

11 years ago

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My favorite line in this page is "same goes for her if you say stop". That fact doesn't get nearly enough attention. Thanks for putting it in. =)

elderflowerpudding

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@ Bledar

you're welcome! i'm glad someone appreciated that.

are you from america? or have something similar in your country to "no means no" posters? those have always bothered me specifically because, literally every time i've heard people talk about them, it's been with the undertone that "men just suck and don't deserve an equal part in relationships. they're just gonna rape the women anyway." i kind of wonder whom they think those posters help. are there people out there on the fence about raping someone who would actually look at one of those and go, "huh. i never thought about it that way?" :| honestly. as if that person wouldn't have thought of that themselves already (and probably disagreed with it if they ended up actually perpetrating the rape!) also, those posters effectively trash the central, foundational role that relationships should be playing in people's lives: mutually beneficial safe zones. on the surface, they seem to be pushing for that safety. but the only societal function they serve is to make people tense and on edge about the notion of rape. people who are scared of something are going to jump at shadows of it. and it always bothered me that those posters were making people do that. i wouldn't be surprised if those posters, considering only their effect (as opposed to outside factors like increased law enforcement in addition), didn't actually -increase- the incidence of rape.

in all honesty, that's where the idea for this plot came from. which i'm sure is quite telling! i agree with the posters' surface message of "part of respect is stopping when your partner tells you to." which is why the mares got angry at spike--understandably. but i deeply disagree with the fanatical interpretation people seem to have of them that causes them to kick and scream and cry at even the slightest hint of rape. which is why i had spike be forgiven: to show that there was a world out there at least -someone- could conceive of where people weren't afraid of each other all the time. i firmly believe that, even if there is a full-blown rape, the victim has the most important voice. not the victim's mother, not the victim's best friend; the victim. literally no one else experienced the situation in the way they did. that's why i gave applebloom that line on page 54, "i'm the pony that got hurt, so why's it nopony's listening to me?" if the victim truly manages to be in their right mind and forgive the rapist, then the rapist should be forgiven. period. by everyone. the thought of continuing to punish a person who has already reformed--in ANY situation--is repugnant to me, i don't care how angry anyone is at that person. i don't.

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No, I'm from Eurasia. I've never seen those posters. But it sounds to me like they're trying to broaden the definition of rape, which is fucking stupid. If they don't know what rape is, they shouldn't make posters about it in the first place.

I believe it's important to distinguish rape from sexual molestation. I define sexual molestation as forceful, unwanted sexual contact. For example, let's say somebody starts touching you intimately. You tell them to stop, but they keep on doing it anyway. To me, rape is forcing sex on someone without their permission.

i firmly believe that, even if there is a full-blown rape, the victim has the most important voice. not the victim's mother, not the victim's best friend; the victim. literally no one else experienced the situation in the way they did. that's why i gave applebloom that line on page 54, "i'm the pony that got hurt, so why's it nopony's listening to me?" if the victim truly manages to be in their right mind and forgive the rapist, then the rapist should be forgiven. period. by everyone. the thought of continuing to punish a person who has already reformed--in ANY situation--is repugnant to me, i don't care how angry anyone is at that person. i don't.

This must be one of the wisest things I've heard anyone say on this matter. Let me tell you what I think of that.

In a court of law, "justice" has little to do with the victim, if anything at all. Rapists don't go to jail for rape - they go to jail for breaking the law. It's about avenging the state, not the victim. The law is there to protect itself. That's why the victim doesn't get a say in the matter. That's why there's such thing as a "victimless crime." According to the law, the law is the victim. So the law must be avenged.

As you can probably tell, I have absolutely no respect for national law - NONE.

I've come up with my own idea for a justice system, loosely based on the Native Australian justice system. If somebody raped me, I wouldn't go to the police. First I'd find the person and make them aware of what they've done. Then I'd invoke some kind of corporal punishment. Flogging, for example. Then I'd demand some kind of compensation. Once all that was done, I'd warn them that they've been given a second chance, and that they're NEVER to do it again, to me or anyone else. Once they've payed their debt to me, I'd forgive them. And that would be it.

If you ask me, rape isn't a legal matter. It's a personal matter of respect and decency. It's not about violating the law. It's about violating somebody's personal rights. Not legal rights, PERSONAL rights.

I think you make a good philosopher. I know it sounds far-fetched, but it would be good if you brought your opinion to the public eye, and hopefully get people thinking about it. Anyway, total respect to you. =)

elderflowerpudding

11 years ago

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thanks ^-^ i agree with what you said too.

i wanna write some good books eventually. ..i've just never been able to stop thinking about things and questioning my own opinions. i think probably a lot of people do that? but not a lot of people speak out about what they think to the same degree i'm trying to and that you seem to be too. anyway, thank you for the encouragement! ^-^

Bledar

11 years ago

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"	twilightstormshi wrote:
	i wanna write some good books eventually. ..i've just never been able to stop thinking about things and questioning my own opinions. i think probably a lot of people do that?

Actually, no. A lot of people DON'T do that, and that is the problem. ;)

What you're doing is exercising your freedom of thought and ability to reason. Most people are too stupid or lazy to think for themselves, so they let other stupid people do the thinking for them. They just follow the shepherd like the good little sheep they are, not caring if they are getting lead straight to the slaughterhouse.

I'm sure you could write some very good books. I just remembered that it was you who wrote the script for this comic in the first place. :3

What I think is really witty about this comic is how you chose to get your message across. The first pages were all very erotic, and once all the sexiness got our attention, you brought up the issue you wanted to talk about. So it was a very good technique to use. I've seen morals being used in children's books, Disney movies and so on, but never in porn before :)

elderflowerpudding

11 years ago

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"	Bledar wrote:
	What I think is really witty about this comic is how you chose to get your message across. The first pages were all very erotic, and once all the sexiness got our attention, you brought up the issue you wanted to talk about. So it was a very good technique to use. I've seen morals being used in children's books, Disney movies and so on, but never in porn before :)

yeah, that's what i was trying to do, and it worked... but a lot of people seemed ticked off by it, necessary or not. and i can see how they would feel baited. there must be a better way to hook people on a story without making it feel like ALL porn or ALL plot. i feel like, in writing, if i ever have to make a choice between two extremes, then i haven't found the right technique for expressing what i want to express. necessity is the mother of invention =P

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