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FoxxWolf

5 months, 1 week ago

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I feel that I see about the same as there ever was, like the ratio of warm vs lewd is about the same, although the numbers for both have increased with time. It also may depend on where and how you look for art. Sure a lot of the lewd stuff comes up front a lot of the time, but there is still even more general stuff made by artists of all kinds of skill levels made with warmth and affection.

RoareyRaccoon

5 months, 1 week ago

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@ FoxxWolf

It's not even close, lol. And yeah this is also about what is popular. Is it fuck about the same lol.

IBp

5 months, 1 week ago

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@ FoxxWolf

I don't agree, and I enjoy rather explicit lewd art.

I might agree that there's about the same proportion of like, erotic artwork to sfw in general. But older nsfw art tended to focus a lot more on form.  There is FOR SURE a significantly heavier focus on grotesque detail in genitalia, anuses, and largely a focus on aggression, unpleasant odors, almost violent sex, etc.

One example is the trend of more people drawing assholes visually damaged/showing signs of swelling and irritation.
Another example is how watersports have somehow basically become standard to expect in gay furry art spaces, when it used to be considered unhygenic, niche, and only for those specifically interested. So out of politeness it just wasn't in general porn circles.
Regardless of how you feel about these things, they're undeniably more focused on extremes.

I guess a way to sum up how I feel is the old nsfw side of art felt more like pseudo-hippie free love idealism in terms of sexual expression.
While the new nsfw feels more like coked out orgy with back alley hookers.

FoxxWolf

5 months, 1 week ago

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@ IBp

I see what you mean about explicit detail, yes things like WS has shifted more towards tame, and also yes, the extremes seem to be a bit more common now.
What I was referring to was more the ratio between pg13 and lower vs lewd.
I think I ended up focusing on the wrong part of the topic, I sometimes do that.

RoareyRaccoon

5 months, 1 week ago

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@ FoxxWolf

Yah I don't reject nsfw, I draw it myself. It's the themes mentioned in the image that are really overemphasised these days, it's rancid.

Lightfox

5 months, 1 week ago

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I definitely need to maintain a very long black list of horrible/deranged things nowadays. It's become mandatory to keep one's sanity.

tamiasthechipmunk

5 months, 1 week ago

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IMHO, anything sexy is allot better with cherished people than just going to a hotel room at a con for a one night boink boink. The love and care for one another is huge amplifier of the pleasure gained from sex. At least for me seeing somebody I cherish in the throws of pleasure and me being the reason why is the number one biggest turn on above and beyond any kink. As for yiffy pics a similar principle applies. Underlying love and care between the characters involved intensifies the impact of the pic more than the typical pound that bottom into a orgasmic goo type of pic. Sex is great. But Sex back up by love and care is where the real pleasure comes from.

KevinSnowpaw

5 months, 1 week ago

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I do like the love makeing ;3

But i agree completly with the rest of that stuff im..really turned off by the ugly stuff the pain the intentionaly awful humilation im not talking playful stuff I mean the truly degradeing shit.....it's just everywhere and it's to much DX

not kink shameing just ive noticed a lot more of it lately.

Farrel

5 months, 1 week ago

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I think you rather hit it squarely on the head there... "Chasing extremes, the mundane no longer satisfies."

But I don't think it's a problem limited to gay art and artists specifically... I think it's more a societal problem. Beauty and appeals to innocence are viewed as suspicious or objectifying. Whilst we don't so much see the cries of prudishness so much lately, we do see complaints about "traditional beauty standards" as being objectionable.

And then yeah, we have societal norms shifting. The broad illegality of, say, homosexual relationships in the 60's, moving through subversiveness to acceptance has lost the subject a lot of it's panache. A story of two guys discovering and exploring something between themselves which society views as disgusting and deviant has now moved into the mainstream. You're more likely to receive criticism for NOT including it in your work now... Which leaves a problem.

People still crave subversiveness, we want to find something to enjoy that, at least on some level shocks our sensibilities. Not to mention, something that hasn't been fapped over already to the point that it's almost non-sexual anymore... And so people dabble in progressively darker and darker topics. Giggling and bushing at seeing someone peeing slowly shifts into watersports which shifts to scat... Loving experimental bondage slowly drifts through consent and pain play to downright rape and public torture and so on.

I think to an extent, pretty much every horny teen walks the path of seeking more and more extreme stuff in an attempt at getting a more extreme orgasm... Or chasing the ability to cum like they used to (Sorry folks, that's just age... I wish I could do it too ;) ) and I think most eventually reach a point of acceptance of reality... This is getting too dark, dangerous or disgusting to pursue... Maybe I should focus elsewhere... But the baseline starting point is what's mainstream at the time they start to take an interest.

For me, that'd be 'tasteful' nudes, fantasy subjects, chainmail bikinis and whatnot... What's worrying is that these days, it's not so hard for folks to begin at, say... Rimming as their baseline.

Ehh, this could turn into a full blown rant if I don't stop here... I mean, half of the stuff I'm into is shocking on an objective level.

On the bright side, maybe beauty and fantasy will pick up the chic of being subversive and will get a resurgence of genuinely pretty art.

ZwolfJareAlt306

5 months, 1 week ago

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@ Farrel

Well said!

RoareyRaccoon

5 months, 1 week ago

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@ Farrel

I'd also say it has a lot to do with resentment. It's why, despite having equal rights now in western countries, there is still a vigorous emphasis on pride. We are no longer persecuted but there are those who blame their personal misfortunes on society at large, so they want to reject it utterly, in addition to revenge for the past. To be depraved is a rebellion. If you reject the beautiful, though, it robs people of so much peace.

Farrel

5 months, 1 week ago

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@ RoareyRaccoon

Well, yeah, resentment in a few ways, come to think of it, as you say, the revenge kind of resentment; "my kind were mistreated by others in the past, so it is my duty to punish society at large to 'even the score'."

That and others that I'd only sound bitter if I tried to explain... But you're not wrong, shock value has pretty much always been seen as a tool in the belt of the rebellion, but the rebels of old largely got what they wanted, at least in the west. Many live quite normal lives, and a lot are as shocked as everyone else is by the current 'movement'.

Honestly though? I don't think you can really re-write the meaning of beauty... You can only change the words people are allowed to use when referring to it... People can demand to be told they're beautiful as they present themselves doing horiffic things in as nasty a manner as possible... They can win the verbal war through screaming and demanding...

But... Well, they still lose...

The moment the other person witnesses even just a moment of something truly graceful or pure. Beauty holds a meaning beyond words and I don't think it's even possible to take an appreciation of that away.

But perhaps I'm off topic, so in an effort to try and steer back to porn vs. beauty in art... I'm not sure beauty is rejected as protest in art, I think it's more that shock value is embraced in so far as protest goes... I think sexuality in art is something else entirely, namely that 'appreciation' feeds into the release of certain addictive brain chemicals, and again, folks are constantly seeking that feeling. But this leaves a shrinking space for 'nice clean art'... Can't monetize it as easily as pornographic material, it doesn't make a statement that people are going to shout at one another about... And few people really have time to stop and appreciate it, so, it shrinks.

Every once in a while I do happen across something that hits right though... It's still out there. Heck, I've even managed to get the AI to spit out some pretty pieces from time to time in my dabbling. I agree, it'd be nice if there was more of it tho'.

MviluUatusun

5 months, 1 week ago

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When I found the furry community (about 20 years ago), I started posting my stories. (I don't write porn of any kind.) One thing I've noticed is that I don't have very many followers on any of the sites I frequent but people who do write porn or draw porn have literally hundreds if not thousands of followers. So, I'm believing what you're saying as being true.

LongTom

5 months, 1 week ago

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I am reminded of the Burned Fur movement from years ago which made the same complaint. Unfortunately it did not last.

RoareyRaccoon

5 months, 1 week ago

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@ LongTom

I wouldn't say it's the same complaint, they abhorred porn in general and wanted nothing sexual at all at furry conventions etc XP.

LongTom

5 months, 1 week ago

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@ RoareyRaccoon

Funny, I remember reading that they didn't complain about porn, only certain types, such as bestiality.

Whitetail

5 months, 1 week ago

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@ LongTom

You are correct. Interestingly, many BFs also objected to the increasing presence of fursuits at conventions, insisting it was an unwelcome sideshow to the 'proper' expression of furry, which they basically limited to art, animation, storytelling, comics, zines, and roleplay.

Prime

5 months, 1 week ago

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Dude, the fandom has always been depraved.

RoareyRaccoon

5 months, 1 week ago

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@ Prime

Degrees of things don't exist. Right.

AdoztheChipmunk

5 months, 1 week ago

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Ya ain't wrong, some of that reallyhorny stuff even puts me off. But, it makes the cutesy(or just non smutty) stuff feel all the more refreshing. I do wish it could have a rise in popularity though, cuz sometimes ya just don't wanna see the naughty bits schmack dab in the middle of your screen. At least for me, can't speak on how it is for other people.

AdoztheChipmunk

5 months, 1 week ago

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@ AdoztheChipmunk

Btw, fantastic lookin' Tails 👌really like how fluffy he looks

RoareyRaccoon

5 months, 1 week ago

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@ AdoztheChipmunk

Harr, thank ya XP.

taurex

5 months, 1 week ago

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it hasnt changed at all, the only difference is that there are more artist now so more art to go around.

CCubed

5 months, 1 week ago

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There's a reason why the phrase "touch grass" exists for a reason. People get so caught up in their obsessions and the 'hype', that they forget about the actual natural beauty of things or even just the simple pleasures that come with having to endure some bullshit in life.

Or maybe people are so surrounded by ugliness they think ugly is beauty, I don't know?

All I know for sure is that I don't know, but if there's one thing I'm confident on is that people really need to enjoy the simple and beautiful things in life. Hell, I'm studying Gagaku and Shinto for those exact reasons, despite wanting to get back in drawing NSFW again.

GoodSmurf

5 months ago

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Yeah I'm so tired and over with those explicit Furry art with excessive violence playing with poo and dismemberment.
I was already sicked and tired of with all the exaggerated gential sizes already but all the over the top stuff made finding just normal R18 furry stuff harder to find as well.
I'm always looking for Chipmunks R18 but they're mostly of nasty exaggerated and violent kind. I think only Dandi and Lando did it right and they barely go R18 stuff with them chipmunks.

RoareyRaccoon

5 months ago

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@ GoodSmurf

If there is a dick in the pic, it must be huge. Very tired of that trope XP.

Samdam92

4 months, 3 weeks ago

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I'm inclined to agree. Sure I love breaking the rules, but I loathe and detest having to share a space with actual pedos.

Blackpaw

4 months, 3 weeks ago

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hows that glass house made of cub art and drug use doing

RoareyRaccoon

4 months, 3 weeks ago

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@ Blackpaw

I don't do drugs XP.

Blackpaw

4 months, 3 weeks ago

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@ RoareyRaccoon

you post an awful lot of pics about smoking weed for somebody sober

RoareyRaccoon

4 months, 3 weeks ago

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@ Blackpaw

I've not posted a single pic featuring weed in my entire life. At least know who the fuck you're talking to before making dumbass comments.

Blackpaw

4 months, 3 weeks ago

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@ RoareyRaccoon

huh, guess so. I can clearly picture your blue hair yellow eyes sona with a blunt in your style but i guess i musta just imagined it. welp, ill admit i was wrong wbout that. Point still stands that its a bit hypocritical to get judgy about purity when most people would look at you or pretty much anyone on this site and call us deviants.

Purity culture is a game of moving goalposts and holier than thou smugness. The only winning move is not to play.

RoareyRaccoon

4 months, 3 weeks ago

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@ Blackpaw

It's not hypocritical, people who call others sickos for drawing cub art are just full of shit. Unlike them, I'm not saying everyone who's into things I'm not is a bad person, or that such content shouldn't be made, or that it should be removed from this or any website. I'm only talking about the prevalence of extreme content increasing to the point that it's everywhere now, that it's the standard. Balance is best, beautiful things are genuinely good for mental well-being, too. I've spent over 15 years drawing other people's sexual fantasies at this point, so it's not like I actually shun people for their tastes or anything, I just wish that not such a large proportion of furry art today was geared at trying to be as visceral, violent, filthy, smelly and emulating real porn. Not that it shouldn't exist, but there's too much of it.

Incidentally, I have the same issue with cub art; too much of it depicts intensely abusive scenarios, gleeful cruelty etc. How the fuck seeing that sort of thing every day is good for anyone, is a mystery. Well, no, it isn't really, it's just not good for anyone.

Blackpaw

4 months, 3 weeks ago

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@ RoareyRaccoon

Not the message i got but now I see where you are coming from and yeah, it does seem to be going that way. I think its the audience just as much if not more than the artists. I've noticed that my nsfw comissions get easily 10x the views the sfw stuff gets. So for somebody who makes their living off of engagement, why wouldnt you go all in on nsfw.

ShySketch

4 months, 1 week ago

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Those are some high words for a colored sketch with the only additional 3rd lighting layer being on the "bedroom eyes" x3

Dali took the "ugly and mundane" and made it something ahead of its time (to say the least) but also executed with skill and elegance. I agree with most of what you are saying, I just wish that you had taken some additional time on the art, your handwriting is pretty neat. No one here is quite on the level of Dali, but that doesn't mean it is impossible with enough effort and focus.

Look, all I'm saying is it's a little bit odd that you have this true wall of text and then it's a colored sketch with just one layer of shading and then the only lighting is on the bedroom eyes. I'm not saying that this subject matter is "extreme" like you say, just that I think you should have spent more time on it given the tall order you place in the text right there~.

RoareyRaccoon

4 months, 1 week ago

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@ ShySketch

Why would I when it's nothing to do with the technical quality of art? That subject is something I never remark about because I'm not talented or skillful.

ShySketch

4 months, 1 week ago

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@ RoareyRaccoon

Neither am I, which is why my focuses are on the "depraved" and "extreme" and "base(d)" subjects like pawz, mawz, sn00tz, scruffy pawz, TF, hypno, paw-scrunglez, tail_steppies, underwear bulgez, etc~

I've noticed that the more "degen" I get in regard to following my "lusts" (fetish interests), the more skill I obtain and the more "width" my art has when I sit down to make another art.

I can tell you do actually have a pretty big ego about your art, everyone who shares it publicly does. It's part of why so few of us settle down with each other. The idea of, the art is good despite our lack in skill and what not. I'm just saying that the more time and effort you spend on each piece of artwork, the better it becomes. That is basically what you are arguing for in the text, better art. I can tell that your light layer only has a few lines on it, and on the mouth and the eyes (the mouth is a "maw"). The expression

Maybe "the gay" isn't related to depravity~! :3

RoareyRaccoon

4 months, 1 week ago

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@ ShySketch

No, I'm not arguing for better art, I'm lamenting the degree of extreme themes, the dominance of cruelty, abuse, humiliation, deformity etc. I don't give a shit if a work is drawn with exceptional skill if it's depicting something sexually horrendous, I will greatly dislike the image for that reason.

ShySketch

4 months, 1 week ago

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@ RoareyRaccoon

Do you have self awareness that what you draw is seen that way, too? I've seen artists forget it, and to be fair, ya know, living a full decade as a furry artist talking only to furries and living the furry lifestyle, it's easy to forget.

Reminder that we are drawing cartoon animals, our memes are focused around animal junk, and that our "hit song" is about horse dongs. The current public perception of furry is terrible, and rightfully so. The years of "vaccine passport" requirements at the cons made even me hate

If you want to create some new genre of "furry art" that is somehow "pure and tradwife material" than please do & I'll join you in that quest.

RoareyRaccoon

4 months, 1 week ago

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@ ShySketch

Yeah, I know there will be people who see my stuff that way, especially in what I draw for commissions. Outside the fandom, I don't give a shit, since I'm not posting my work outside of it. None of this detracts from themes that are fucked up on purpose, as in the pleasure derived from them lies in the very fact that they are depraved and malicious. Things aren't so subjective that you can make their natures disappear via word games. Even when I draw something with more deviant themes that are unpopular, like cub stuff, I try to make them show warmth, affection and kindness, however difficult or impossible this is to do with some things I'm commissioned to draw.

I'm not about to sink into some postmodernist mire of moral relativity. I'm not interested in making some completely sanitized art movement either. It would simply be nice if the percentage of depraved-theme art wasn't so ridiculously high. There was a lot more playful, kind, fun porn and erotica out there, back in the day, compared to the extreme shit. As things are now, I hate the imbalanced nature of it.

ShySketch

4 months, 1 week ago

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@ RoareyRaccoon

That doesn't make any sense to me, and it sounds like you are putting limitations on yourself that will affect the end-quality of your artwork. I don't do commissions though, so I don't have to deal with that. I just draw whatever I want, my ban on FA is related to my faith in God as it overlaps the "vaccine" and even Trump.

I think you're maybe possibly messing yourself up thinking like that. Just draw what you want to draw, and have faith that God will guide you. I try to put God into my artwork when I can, even if the art is a "degenerate" thing. It's not something to be done in vain, though. Like I would draw my fursona with a "TRUIP 202" flag, but I wouldn't do that equivalent for Jesus, that would be the definition of taking the LORD's name in vain. God is everything.

RoareyRaccoon

4 months, 1 week ago

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@ ShySketch

Fuck off, lol.

ShySketch

4 months, 1 week ago

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@ RoareyRaccoon

You should draw "The Binding of Isaac" it's from the book of Genesis too, so it works for all three... pretty much most religions actually~! Plus you can draw getting tied up~ :B

ShySketch

1 week ago

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Alright, so revisiting this art 4 months later, I have a question :

Is this art supposed to be "beautiful" or is it supposed to be "filth?"

I get that it is a general rating and isn't explicitly "porn" but the text seems to be contradictory to the message. It's a drawing of a cute toony fox boy with heavy-lidded eyes, blushy-blush lines, and a huffy-puffy expression. It's a softcore "pinup girl" style artwork with two contradicting messages written in the simple, abstract background.

That is the honest and straightforward "audience reaction" to this particular artwork. Is there something I'm missing that I'm not interpreting as you intended as the artist?

RoareyRaccoon

1 week ago

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@ ShySketch

Erotica is sensual and provocative without being explicit. As I've already explained to others here, the image takes issue not with porn as a whole but with aggressive, dark themes. Even then it isn't an argument that such material shouldn't exist, as the description below is about how much of it is out there, the volume of it. If you're going to engage with my work without bothering to, I dunno, fucking read it, then there's no point. Your question is pointless.

ShySketch

1 week ago

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@ RoareyRaccoon

Do you consider this artwork beautiful?

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