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This year marks 20 years of drawing in the furry fandom, for me. I guess I haven't made all that big a contribution to the fandom, but I've made an effort at any rate. I've also been around long enough to see plenty of changes, one of which has been bothering me for a long time. Art can be a legitimate act of rebellion, a challenge to standards and notions which people take for granted, it can be a way of placing a mirror in front of society, being cause for reflection and introspection. There is such a thing as too much of anything, however, and it certainly feels to me that furry art is losing its warmth, affection, sensuality and appreciation for beauty, in some bizarre quest to constantly subvert the idea of these things or outright rebel against them.

One little irony that has emerged, to my mind, is that the way homosexuality and deviant tastes are often perceived as little more than lustful depravity by those who oppose these things, is progressively being confirmed as true by the works being produced by gays and deviants. Chasing after extremes, the mundane no longer satisfies.

For every work displaying warm affection, love, care and emotional passion, there are thousands of works depicting the opposite. To a great extent, the art produced follows the demands of the audience; I mean artists need to survive after all, so I don't lay this specifically at the feet of artists, but rather what is popularised by the majority audience. It's so lacking in taste and demanding of a gross aesthetic that I often despair. This will no doubt be a very unpopular view, but I don't think all this filth is good for the soul. I think it's a form of coping with insecurity and pain, to revel in art which depicts the low and the sordid, the base and the wretched.

It wasn't always like this, the balance between the fucked up and the gorgeous being tipped so far on the side of the former, and I think it's a change for the worse. I miss it. Ah well, just something that is often on my mind.

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Published: 1 year, 7 months ago
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FoxxWolf
1 year, 7 months ago
I feel that I see about the same as there ever was, like the ratio of warm vs lewd is about the same, although the numbers for both have increased with time. It also may depend on where and how you look for art. Sure a lot of the lewd stuff comes up front a lot of the time, but there is still even more general stuff made by artists of all kinds of skill levels made with warmth and affection.
RoareyRaccoon
1 year, 7 months ago
It's not even close, lol. And yeah this is also about what is popular. Is it fuck about the same lol.
Lightfox
1 year, 7 months ago
I definitely need to maintain a very long black list of horrible/deranged things nowadays. It's become mandatory to keep one's sanity.
tamiasthechipmunk
1 year, 7 months ago
IMHO, anything sexy is allot better with cherished people than just going to a hotel room at a con for a one night boink boink. The love and care for one another is huge amplifier of the pleasure gained from sex. At least for me seeing somebody I cherish in the throws of pleasure and me being the reason why is the number one biggest turn on above and beyond any kink. As for yiffy pics a similar principle applies. Underlying love and care between the characters involved intensifies the impact of the pic more than the typical pound that bottom into a orgasmic goo type of pic. Sex is great. But Sex back up by love and care is where the real pleasure comes from.
KevinSnowpaw
1 year, 7 months ago
I do like the love makeing ;3


But i agree completly with the rest of that stuff im..really turned off by the ugly stuff the pain the intentionaly awful humilation im not talking playful stuff I mean the truly degradeing shit.....it's just everywhere and it's to much DX


not kink shameing just ive noticed a lot more of it lately.
Farrel
1 year, 7 months ago
I think you rather hit it squarely on the head there... "Chasing extremes, the mundane no longer satisfies."

But I don't think it's a problem limited to gay art and artists specifically... I think it's more a societal problem. Beauty and appeals to innocence are viewed as suspicious or objectifying. Whilst we don't so much see the cries of prudishness so much lately, we do see complaints about "traditional beauty standards" as being objectionable.

And then yeah, we have societal norms shifting. The broad illegality of, say, homosexual relationships in the 60's, moving through subversiveness to acceptance has lost the subject a lot of it's panache. A story of two guys discovering and exploring something between themselves which society views as disgusting and deviant has now moved into the mainstream. You're more likely to receive criticism for NOT including it in your work now... Which leaves a problem.

People still crave subversiveness, we want to find something to enjoy that, at least on some level shocks our sensibilities. Not to mention, something that hasn't been fapped over already to the point that it's almost non-sexual anymore... And so people dabble in progressively darker and darker topics. Giggling and bushing at seeing someone peeing slowly shifts into watersports which shifts to scat... Loving experimental bondage slowly drifts through consent and pain play to downright rape and public torture and so on.

I think to an extent, pretty much every horny teen walks the path of seeking more and more extreme stuff in an attempt at getting a more extreme orgasm... Or chasing the ability to cum like they used to (Sorry folks, that's just age... I wish I could do it too ;) ) and I think most eventually reach a point of acceptance of reality... This is getting too dark, dangerous or disgusting to pursue... Maybe I should focus elsewhere... But the baseline starting point is what's mainstream at the time they start to take an interest.

For me, that'd be 'tasteful' nudes, fantasy subjects, chainmail bikinis and whatnot... What's worrying is that these days, it's not so hard for folks to begin at, say... Rimming as their baseline.

Ehh, this could turn into a full blown rant if I don't stop here... I mean, half of the stuff I'm into is shocking on an objective level.

On the bright side, maybe beauty and fantasy will pick up the chic of being subversive and will get a resurgence of genuinely pretty art.
ZwolfJareAlt306
1 year, 7 months ago
Well said!
RoareyRaccoon
1 year, 7 months ago
I'd also say it has a lot to do with resentment. It's why, despite having equal rights now in western countries, there is still a vigorous emphasis on pride. We are no longer persecuted but there are those who blame their personal misfortunes on society at large, so they want to reject it utterly, in addition to revenge for the past. To be depraved is a rebellion. If you reject the beautiful, though, it robs people of so much peace.
Farrel
1 year, 7 months ago
Well, yeah, resentment in a few ways, come to think of it, as you say, the revenge kind of resentment; "my kind were mistreated by others in the past, so it is my duty to punish society at large to 'even the score'."

That and others that I'd only sound bitter if I tried to explain... But you're not wrong, shock value has pretty much always been seen as a tool in the belt of the rebellion, but the rebels of old largely got what they wanted, at least in the west. Many live quite normal lives, and a lot are as shocked as everyone else is by the current 'movement'.

Honestly though? I don't think you can really re-write the meaning of beauty... You can only change the words people are allowed to use when referring to it... People can demand to be told they're beautiful as they present themselves doing horiffic things in as nasty a manner as possible... They can win the verbal war through screaming and demanding...

But... Well, they still lose...

The moment the other person witnesses even just a moment of something truly graceful or pure. Beauty holds a meaning beyond words and I don't think it's even possible to take an appreciation of that away.

But perhaps I'm off topic, so in an effort to try and steer back to porn vs. beauty in art... I'm not sure beauty is rejected as protest in art, I think it's more that shock value is embraced in so far as protest goes... I think sexuality in art is something else entirely, namely that 'appreciation' feeds into the release of certain addictive brain chemicals, and again, folks are constantly seeking that feeling. But this leaves a shrinking space for 'nice clean art'... Can't monetize it as easily as pornographic material, it doesn't make a statement that people are going to shout at one another about... And few people really have time to stop and appreciate it, so, it shrinks.

Every once in a while I do happen across something that hits right though... It's still out there. Heck, I've even managed to get the AI to spit out some pretty pieces from time to time in my dabbling. I agree, it'd be nice if there was more of it tho'.
MviluUatusun
1 year, 7 months ago
When I found the furry community (about 20 years ago), I started posting my stories.  (I don't write porn of any kind.)  One thing I've noticed is that I don't have very many followers on any of the sites I frequent but people who do write porn or draw porn have literally hundreds if not thousands of followers.  So, I'm believing what you're saying as being true.
LongTom
1 year, 7 months ago
I am reminded of the Burned Fur movement from years ago which made the same complaint.  Unfortunately it did not last.
RoareyRaccoon
1 year, 7 months ago
I wouldn't say it's the same complaint, they abhorred porn in general and wanted nothing sexual at all at furry conventions etc XP.
LongTom
1 year, 7 months ago
Funny, I remember reading that they didn't complain about porn, only certain types, such as bestiality.
Whitetail
1 year, 7 months ago
You are correct. Interestingly, many BFs also objected to the increasing presence of fursuits at conventions, insisting it was an unwelcome sideshow to the 'proper' expression of furry, which they basically limited to art, animation, storytelling, comics, zines, and roleplay.
Prime
1 year, 7 months ago
Dude, the fandom has always been depraved.
RoareyRaccoon
1 year, 7 months ago
Degrees of things don't exist. Right.
AdoztheChipmunk
1 year, 7 months ago
Ya ain't wrong, some of that reallyhorny stuff even puts me off.  But, it makes the cutesy(or just non smutty) stuff feel all the more refreshing.  I do wish it could have a rise in popularity though, cuz sometimes ya just don't wanna see the naughty bits schmack dab in the middle of your screen.  At least for me, can't speak on how it is for other people.
AdoztheChipmunk
1 year, 7 months ago
Btw, fantastic lookin' Tails 👌really like how fluffy he looks
RoareyRaccoon
1 year, 7 months ago
Harr, thank ya XP.
taurex
1 year, 7 months ago
it hasnt changed at all, the only difference is that there are more artist now so more art to go around.
CCubed
1 year, 7 months ago
There's a reason why the phrase "touch grass" exists for a reason. People get so caught up in their obsessions and the 'hype', that they forget about the actual natural beauty of things or even just the simple pleasures that come with having to endure some bullshit in life.

Or maybe people are so surrounded by ugliness they think ugly is beauty, I don't know?

All I know for sure is that I don't know, but if there's one thing I'm confident on is that people really need to enjoy the simple and beautiful things in life. Hell, I'm studying Gagaku and Shinto for those exact reasons, despite wanting to get back in drawing NSFW again.
GoodSmurf
1 year, 7 months ago
Yeah I'm so tired and over with those explicit Furry art with excessive violence playing with poo and dismemberment.
I was already sicked and tired of with all the exaggerated gential sizes already but all the over the top stuff made finding just normal R18 furry stuff harder to find as well.
I'm always looking for Chipmunks R18 but they're mostly of nasty exaggerated and violent kind.        I think only Dandi and Lando did it right and they barely go R18 stuff with them chipmunks.
RoareyRaccoon
1 year, 7 months ago
If there is a dick in the pic, it must be huge. Very tired of that trope XP.
Samdam92
1 year, 7 months ago
I'm inclined to agree. Sure I love breaking the rules, but I loathe and detest having to share a space with actual pedos.
Blackpaw
1 year, 7 months ago
hows that glass house made of cub art and drug use doing
RoareyRaccoon
1 year, 7 months ago
I don't do drugs XP.
Blackpaw
1 year, 7 months ago
you post an awful lot of pics about smoking weed for somebody sober
RoareyRaccoon
1 year, 7 months ago
I've not posted a single pic featuring weed in my entire life. At least know who the fuck you're talking to before making dumbass comments.
Blackpaw
1 year, 7 months ago
huh, guess so.  I can clearly picture your blue hair yellow eyes sona with a blunt in your style but i guess i musta just imagined it.  welp, ill admit i was wrong wbout that.   Point still stands that its a bit hypocritical to get judgy about purity when most people would look at you or pretty much anyone on this site and call us deviants.

Purity culture is a game of moving goalposts and holier than thou smugness. The only winning move is not to play.
RoareyRaccoon
1 year, 7 months ago
It's not hypocritical, people who call others sickos for drawing cub art are just full of shit. Unlike them, I'm not saying everyone who's into things I'm not is a bad person, or that such content shouldn't be made, or that it should be removed from this or any website. I'm only talking about the prevalence of extreme content increasing to the point that it's everywhere now, that it's the standard. Balance is best, beautiful things are genuinely good for mental well-being, too. I've spent over 15 years drawing other people's sexual fantasies at this point, so it's not like I actually shun people for their tastes or anything, I just wish that not such a large proportion of furry art today was geared at trying to be as visceral, violent, filthy, smelly and emulating real porn.  Not that it shouldn't exist, but there's too much of it.

Incidentally, I have the same issue with cub art; too much of it depicts intensely abusive scenarios, gleeful cruelty etc. How the fuck seeing that sort of thing every day is good for anyone, is a mystery. Well, no, it isn't really, it's just not good for anyone.
Blackpaw
1 year, 7 months ago
Not the message i got but now I see where you are coming from and yeah, it does seem to be going that way.  I think its the audience just as much if not more than the artists. I've noticed that my nsfw comissions get easily 10x the views the sfw stuff gets. So for somebody who makes their living off of engagement, why wouldnt you go all in on nsfw.
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