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tahW
2 months ago
i don't understand what you mean,if you drew someone's character and they didn't liked(drew nsfw of a character that they don't want nsfw),you need to delete.
meatboom
2 months ago
welp you can say whatever you want, i don't agree with that notion.
AurumG
2 months ago
Okay, yeah, media companies and private users are not the same. You do need to get the permission of the users for their characters. I'm pretty open about using my characters and say as much on my profiles. Otherwise, yeah, ask their permission first. It would be rude otherwise. I find a lot of users are pretty open if you ask first.
meatboom
2 months ago
can we stop the double standards please?
AurumG
2 months ago
It's not really a double standard. Companies are commercial entities who make a profit from their products and are open to the public. Sites like Inkbunny and Furaffinity are community hubs for people with similar interests. The users on these sites are private citizens, some of whom use their characters as a stand-in for interacting with the community.
meatboom
2 months ago
oh my i'm not gonna explain why it's wrong, but you ain't selling me that bullshit fam sorry. i disagree.
LoadingScreen
2 months ago
Where's the bullshit? This is common courtesy we're talking about, and it's been courtesy for years.
meatboom
2 months ago
it's wrong, doesn't matter how long it's been that way.
LoadingScreen
2 months ago
How is it wrong? It's just being a nice person.

void artPermission(artist owner)
{
say("Hey man do you mind if I draw your character?");
if (owner.response == "yes")
{
say("Okay, thanks!");
}

else
{
say("Oh, sorry for bothering you then.");
}

return;
}
meatboom
2 months ago
... i'll not comment on this...
it's not a question of being nice, feelings is the last thing i'm concerned, i'm more concerned about freedom.
someone's feelings shouldn't prevent me from drawing what i want.
GreenReaper
2 months ago
It doesn't. You can draw what you like, and it's going to be hard to stop you. Heck, you can show it to people in person, post it to Twitter, etc. It just prevents you from posting it on certain shared image archives which do care about the character-owner's feelings.
meatboom
2 months ago
they shouldn't prevent it if they're a public platform.
GreenReaper
2 months ago
Ah, but what is public? Inkbunny is a member's club. It's run by me - with help from others, but in a legal sense it's me.

FA is a member's club too, although at least it's owned by a company - if not a public company - rather than an individual.

Both of them are run for an audience with expectations about how characters are used that are not necessarily shared with the "public" (although in many jurisdictions it is illegal to use the image of someone in certain ways; for example to indicate their support for your cause or company, and given the personal nature of fursonas this could be considered roughly equivalent).

Most countries have rules about what you can show, based on the feelings of those within (or at least those in charge). Our rules are likewise customized for our community. It'd be possible to create a site with very different rules in this area, and indeed such sites exist, but furries (and particularly furry artists) tend not to want to be a part of them; they prefer places which grant privileges over depictions of their characters, even if they are less free to share unsolicited pictures of other people(s characters) as a result.
EnzoTrash
2 months ago
thanks so much for trying to talk some sense into him. He's making a huge deal about drawing NSFW of my personal character and refused to remove it after me asking and then warning him after 3 days, until moderation helped me take it down. Idk why he's trying to compare multi-million dollar companies to small creator's property.
He's threatened to draw more porn of my OC in retaliation to this and has been very rude and irrational to me on twitter after it got removed. Some people need to understand that not everyone is or will be okay with NSFW content of their OCs, and it's extremely shady to be doing that without the consent or knowledge of the original artist. I'm incredibly lucky one of my fans recognized the character and told me about it
Chiselbit
2 months ago
You have no legal claim to stop him doing anything you maroon. The "oc" in question is a vaporeon which is owned by nintendo.
As far as laws and rules are concerned anyone can draw your oc sucking a gorillion dicks and you cant stop them.
LoadingScreen
2 months ago
You're right. Nothing can stop him from drawing such a thing. But if Enzo doesn't like the art posted, he can request it to be taken down.

Also, your logic insinuates that simply because Enzo's character is based off of a copyrighted creation, he has no ownership whatsoever. That would only work if Enzo was claiming to have ownership simply because it was a vaporeon. However, this isn't like that. Enzo's character was a vaporeon, but other than the species, everything about the OC belonged to him.
EnzoTrash
2 months ago
He's not a vaporeon, he is actually inspired by a part-shark OC that one of my friends had waaay back in the day, although the tail is more like a dolphin's than a shark because it's horizontal lmao
A lot of people do mistake him for a vaporeon though, so fair enough. Personally I dont think she shares that much in common with them
It's just that I'm not comfortable with people drawing PORN of him and posting it publically without my knowledge or asking beforehand. Had he asked and I had known about it I would probably have felt better about the situation, but because I was not this felt very shady. You are absolutely welcome to draw fanart or giftart of him or any of my other OCs if you notify me about it!
meatboom
2 months ago
if you think so, congrats for fucking over an artist and censoring people, what a great platform you got here, a few more chromosomes and it might be possible for a normal person to use.
meatboom
2 months ago
also "oh look i'm a gatekeeper on my exclusive community, so fuck your rights i do what i want"
i couldn't give a rat's ass about what you think.
GABUJOE
2 months ago
"feelings is the last thing i'm concerned, i'm more concerned about freedom."

somebody hurted you.....badly. poor thing, confusing freedom with immaturity.  i won't tell you what to do. it's your life, feel free to waste it thinking so wrongfully if you want, but remember, it was YOUR CHOICE to be left alone with your immature opinion, nobody else's.

and, if this post is nothing but a call for attention. cus it reeks of that.....you're doing it the wrong way.
meatboom
2 months ago
okay can you stop now i get it you're better than me, if you don't have anything to add, leave you sperg
AurumG
2 months ago
Have you considered an e621 account?
ratsrepuososim
2 months ago
SenGrisane
2 months ago
Yes, this is a double standard that exists.

Characters owned by corporations are usually a product of large teams so there is no single person that could feel hurt by a depiction of a character in way that they deem inappropriate. Or maybe some people working on Sonic games might be very butt hurt about all the Sonic porn in the world, but we don't know for sure as they are not very vocal about it.

In the furry fandom there is usually only one person or a small team behind a certain character and they often voice their wishes on how their characters should be used.
And to respect an owner's wishes has become sort of common courtesy in the furry fandom. If an artist says "no porn of this character" and someone draws porn of it, the fandom pounces on the artist and calls him out (especially if the owner has a large following). So it is sort of self-policing like the ratings in the film industry.
I guess most websites have added this common courtesy to their rules to avoid drama and flame wars.
meatboom
2 months ago
i feel people doing that just to avoid the responsibility of being a public platform is just wrong, besides that, even if corporations had the possibility of doing such a thing, i feel it shouldn't be permitted anyways.
"i'm not gonna stop drawing Muhammad just cause it's your prophet, i'm free to draw whatever i want"
i'll stand by liberty of artistic expression even if it means my termination.
EroKord
2 months ago
Often characters are single artist creations, and their use in media are team efforts. Often the creators don't have much ownership, but they are still created by them, and they often do feel strongly about certain characters. It's a complete commie trash piece of hypocrisy, but it's a hypocrisy I can understand to some extent.

The guy isn't wrong, but he is being an ass about it. Unfortunately the admin isn't handling it well, and is adding fuel to the fire...
meatboom
2 months ago
it's so weird to see civil people around here....
fair points overall.
GreenReaper
2 months ago
Companies aren't going to be out of pocket for what furry fans do when they're not competing in the area to begin with. They may not approve but it's literally not worth their time trying to stamp it out, so they don't.

This particularly applies to furry porn. If they actually are competing with licensed products, selling it via Inkbunny - think clean sculptures, body-pillows, etc. - it's against our own rules, as a few artists have found out when we enforced a claim. I know because I'm the guy who gets the email from Hanna-Barbera's lawyers and has to deal with it.

On the other hand, because furry characters are so personal - typically to the extent that they represent the character owner - there is a common feeling that the owner should have veto power over whether they are depicted. Often this comes down to "I don't want people thinking I would/did do [x], which they might if they saw that" (and indeed this is frequently desired by stalkery people who draw or commission such pictures). In other cases drawing a character has been employed as an outright form of harassment.

There may be reasonable allowances for commenting on public figures and events, but they have to be pretty public (think a leader of a convention or a website) and also the image should be related to the topic (e.g. me breaking Inkbunny would be reasonable).

If you're part of a community there's an expectation that you adhere to views shared by the vast majority. You can defy them, but if you persist in doing so, they might just show you the door. I've done it, and I've had it done to me. It's perfectly reasonable to stick to your principles, take your ball and go home... but it may be up to you to make that home yourself. And good luck getting people to visit.
meatboom
2 months ago
i'm not stealing money by doing fanart you lunatic.
mickhead
2 months ago
This dude is just a troll. Tell me you already realized that. The way he is reasponding is entirely with dirty response tactics. He never actually says anything in response. It's just empty rewording of the phrase "no you".
EroKord
2 months ago
To be fair, both sides are doing this. Both sides are right, and wrong here, and are painting with a dirty brush. Famous people have rights too. Just because someone profited off the creation of a character millions love doesn't mean it's any more ok to steal it to make porn, but it's accepted because that's the point here really. When "No you" is actually applicable, there's no reason to discount it. The guy's an ass about it, but it's literal double standard hypocrisy, being justified very poorly.

Just accept there is a double standard. It's not nice, but it's fact. "Yeah, we do care about our members more than we care about the people who's characters we love. We have a more personal connection with them, and for that reason we respect their creative rights more. It's not right, it's not fair, but it's how it is."
meatboom
2 months ago
why people can't see it's my point is what i wonder, geez
EroKord
2 months ago
Don't get me wrong, if someone doesn't want you using their character you should respect that. But pretending it's different is ridiculous. It's the same thing, it's a double standard, and there's nothing wrong with a double standard.

I will accept a lot of things from friends and family that I wouldn't accept from someone I don't know. I have lower standards for people I care about because I love them and have rose colored glasses when I consider them. I know it's wrong, but I can't help it.
meatboom
2 months ago
respect is earned not granted , besides that i had no ill will towards the owner, i mean until they decided to just censor my art.
meatboom
2 months ago
by censoring my art she doesn't showed me any respect, so i'll not show her any respect either.
meatboom
2 months ago
kay fam you're totally reading my evil plan to 4d chess people.
honestly, if you can't keep up with the conversation, don't throw the troll label you doofus.
GABUJOE
2 months ago
it is so funny when people confuses freedom with anarchy and disrespect.

and then they flash the "i am a radical anti system individual, fuck the system" flag......delicious immaturity.
meatboom
2 months ago
wow dood you're so much more mature than me congrats *clap* *clap* *clap*
anything else or just gonna virtue signal?
Shakunabat
2 months ago
They aren't wrong.
CookieFoxBrandon
2 months ago
You can always draw a person's own character, but in the end if you draw them doing things they wouldn't approve of, what's the point of it? Are you drawing a person's character as a fan work or are you doing it for the publicity of drawing folk's characters?

 I personally say if you want to continue with drawing characters people think of as their own you can do so, but you'll be shown the door eventually by folks you'll end up pissing off x3~ Respect is a virtue for a reason you know, people like having a certain amount of it between themselves and others. If you want to draw people get permission, it's usually pretty easy in the furry fandom.
meatboom
2 months ago
i shouldn't need to since i'm doing fan works, besides that they don't even have actual copyright over their creations, even if they had that would be censorship.
Keeran
2 months ago
I mean, you could put it this way: When you make a famous work or make a profitable IP, you get tons of "free art"

Reason why I can't call it a "double standard" is the fact that corporations make their characters for  profit, not to go about using it as their persona. Mascot, maybe, but not persona. To add to the fact,  most companies don't care just as long as the pornographic material of their character  doesn't make it to their public view  or if they are used for profit.

When it comes to a persona,  it's a matter of personal  preference because they are a manifestation  of the individual. They reflect the individual's likes, dislikes, kinks, etc. Usually, people ask for permission  to draw characters/personas because you could get  into administrative trouble. Nothing is technically stopping you from drawing that character,  but per website rules or TOS, it can be considered harrassment, as many cases of people giving "free art" without permission have turned out.

For example, say Artist X drew  Artist Y's persona  eating shit and masturbating while peeing, and Artist Y isn't into that stuff, but  Artist Y told Artist X not to do that, but Artist X still continues on that said platform. That becomes harassment because Artist X doesn't consider Artist Y's preferences and wishes.

this becomes a problem here because there have been instances where things escalated to the actual individual  getting art or writings of their real selves  in unwanted sexual situations, and that can be scary especially over the internet.

So basically, Corporations either care less about the fanart or  they find it too hard to  maintain   fanart content shared on non-affiliated sites.
meatboom
2 months ago
so you saying they don't get protection cause they make too much money? that's some commie takes m8, the fam up there already explained why it's a double standard.
Keeran
2 months ago
I'm saying corporations tend to want a different form of protection than individuals on a site. They don't care about  what some run-of-the-mill artist  draws on some random platform they can't see because it's not costing them any money or infringing copyright, plus, it's not affecting the creators individually. As long as it's not on a public platform where Children can see it, they could care less.

You don't see the Walt Disney Company  complaining to Furaffinity  to remove all fanart of Judy Hopps because the CEO found  sexual fanfictions or fanart of their daughter. But you did at one point with an individual on FA which prompted an Exodus to Weasyl at one point.

This is why it's not a double standard, unlike the countless responses. Also,  I don't get why you're throwing out the word "communist" when that's not  what communist means.
meatboom
2 months ago
wow again trying to make it different, also i didn't make any money with it, so it's just censorship.
i'm not responsible if people harass the creator because of me, i can't control people.
Keeran
2 months ago
Um,  this has nothing to do with an angry mob. The harassment case I'm talking about was done by one person. It started with "free art" without  the individual's permission then it turned into artwork of the actual person and erotic stories, of which the individual had to report  those cases.
meatboom
2 months ago
hum anedoctal case huh, i don't care about that. and i have no interest in doing porn of real people, who do you think i am?
you do fucking assume a lot of things.
StrangeBreed
2 months ago
I feel like if someone doesn’t like what you’ve drawn of their character it’s polite to take it down, much like if a company did a cease and desist you would take it down. Making copywrited characters isn’t right either, but oddly protected at times under parody law. I think the personal backlash for ocs is because it’s a small population of those you speak face to face with. You’re not without valid point, but I would personally respect a request if someone didn’t like the work
meatboom
2 months ago
so you have no spine, nice for you *clap* *clap* wanna virtue signal more or wanna contribute to the discussion?
TeaPartyRabbit
2 months ago
This person actually agreed with you on your position.  It is their right to make a decision on how they would personally handle the request for removal of the requested material, as is your right to handle it the way you would want.  Wrong is wrong, but I see (in this instance) multiple popular characters drawn despite companies not wanting their intellectual property tarnished by inappropriate scenes.  If you want to post the material, you are free to post it on the many sites available.  However, if a site has a policy restricting a scene for whatever reason, then post it on one that doesn't have the restrictions.  If it is their ball that you are playing with, don't be upset if they stop playing and take their ball home.  You can either get your own ball, or find someone else to play ball with.  It's not that you can't post it, rather they are saying you can't post it here.

I do have a spine if you are curious in knowing.  It is fused with a fair amount of titanium due to being injured protecting other people's rights.
meatboom
2 months ago
like that keeps you from being misguided on your beliefs.
TeaPartyRabbit
2 months ago
:)   I try to help those who are unable to help themselves, which is why I posted my comment on your journal.
StrangeBreed
2 weeks, 5 days ago
I'm just objective and can see from different points of view or walks of life. Don't take that as me being spineless. I have many in time cut people out of my life or hurt them badly for fucking with me. I just have no care to take an actual stance on something as trivial as pornography
moyomongoose
2 months ago
Speaking for myself, I like creating my own characters. Very little of what I have here are characters belonging to others, and those are the results of art trades, a gift story, and gift drawings.
I do have one old rough sketch of Pogo Opossum (one of my favorite childhood comic characters) as fan art here...Pogo was created by the late Walter Crawford Kelly, Jr. (1913 - 1973).

It's not that I'm worried about any copyright concerns all that much, being that this is an art site on a social media level.

However, what this discussion means to me is, there is a sense of pride in using my own characters that I've created and are uniquely mine...Something of one's own creation is truly a form of artistic expression.
...The same way Henry Ford must have felt whenever he use to see Ford cars and trucks traveling along the highways.
...Or how Walt Disney felt when his first motion picture, Steamboat Willy, staring Mickey Mouse (which later became a Disney icon), made it's first debut in the movie theaters.    
meatboom
2 months ago
is this more virtue signaling? i have my own ocs too asshole.
moyomongoose
2 months ago
Seeing that kind of hostility, I have to keep you blocked for now.
Weiss
2 months ago
You know, i've read this post over and over and over again, as well as the journal you made on the subject and every comment posted and your responses as well and i have a few things to say:

A)you re being WAY too hostile to everyone who doesn't agree with you. For all your talk of "freedom" and" Don't censor me" you sure are going out of your way to lash out at everyone who has a different view than you do. All the name calling is completely unnecessary

B)If someone made art of my OCS without my knowledge(As in telling me about it, i'm not even saying asking permission, i'm just saying informing me of the fact), i might let is slide. However if i didn't like the post or if the character was drawn doing something i didn't personally like or went against the character's established personality, i would also ask for a takedown, one that i would expect to be honored since the character belong to me and not the person who did the art. This is absolutely NORMAL and there is nothing inherently WRONG with it

C)You are completely overreacting and blowing everything out of proportion. there's no "censorship" happening here. There's no "violation of freedom" happening here.  You drew someone's oc, the owner didn't like it, they asked you to take it down. At that point you HAD to take it down since the character doesn't belong to you. It has nothing to do with censorship of violating freedoms or fan art, it's a simple case of the owner not liking  what you drew for whatever case. Let me give you an example: There's this MMO called Warframe. There is tons of porn of Warframe done, especially The Lotus(AKA Space Mom). The company behind it is aware of all the porn and they don't take it down because...well honestly i think they like it cause they are all freaks but that's besides the point. If they didn't like it, since they OWN the characters, they could ask for takedowns, they are within their rights as the copyright holders. Has nothing to do with censorship. Another example: Roleplay sites. If i saw someone using art of my characters one one of those, i'd ask for takedowns immediately. Has nothing to do with censorship, it has to do with a possible misrepresentation of my characters. But this is just my personal case

D)This lashing out against IB and FA is completely ridiculous on your part and will accomplish nothing except make you look bad

That's pretty much all i had to say. tl;dr you're exaggerating, blowing everything out of proportion and next time listen to the owner's wishes
meatboom
2 months ago
Chiselbit
2 months ago
If you keep up like this I might start to appreciate you as a person and not just as a smut supply. Fight the good fight ace
KajiChuu
2 months ago
If this is his actual reply.. wow. Certainly not someone worth watching imo.
Rorian
2 months ago
It was me! I was the Turkey!
Coeal
2 months ago
you do understand the only reason corporations dont pay any mind to fan art is...
its free advertisement for the game? very rarely does an artist not tag the owner of the characters, whether its Nintendo, Sega or whoever.
and, why they dont see or take down porn? mostly because porn sites, like IB, are member locked. and before you get all whiny, yes, major corporations DO take legal action against artists at times. its something Capcom actually loves doing
its not double standard. its a matter of fact of one person caring, and another not, on how their character is used.
frankly, if im an artist id be drawing your characters being tortured, shit on and pissed on all while set ablaze. id push my "freedom" as far as i could until i get bored, or you get all pissy about it.
please, grow up. and next time, read the rules before you play, eh?
Musuko42
2 months ago
In some cases I imagine they do mind it, but they don't take action because of the Streisand effect.
Qunt
2 months ago
Dude if your trying to get your point across with some kind of cartoon at the very least draw it and make it cleaver instead of dropping images over each other it just screams lazy especially as a good artist like yourself.This parody of political cartoons has more effort.
https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1503594695150.jpg
Musuko42
2 months ago
That comic is basically every Zen Pencils. XD
KajiChuu
2 months ago
Ive never hit that -watch button so fast. o~o;  yikes is all i can say
Shakunabat
2 months ago
https://youtu.be/jmq-3gXPR5Q?t=42 "I dont care about anything ever"

Bruh, we stopped doing the "look im cool cause I don't care" back in our preteens, at least I did. The whole attitude of treating people shitty because you feel with how corporations are handled that you don't need to show any compassion for your fellow mans work, is lazy, lacks honor and integrity.

You're basically trying to be allowed to exploit other people work, because you see other people doing it.

Bro just because other people are seemingly "allowed" to do shit, doesn't make it right, I hope you know that.

I really just pity you for being in such a reality that you are so averse about connecting with people in the same hobby over such a a matter. But would rather try and explain the situation in a way that lets them be morally exploitive.

Just another wrung on the ladder I suppose, one step before the next.

It's never black and white, but rather a grey goo. So many would rather just take the easier/lazier path of action which generally involves doing as little as possible.
tkongingi
2 months ago
It's called being a polite human being. Try it sometime.
fyari
2 months ago
* Fap fap fap fap fap*

jesus this is better than half the porn on this site

ohgod your salt is like sugar <3
DismalDon
2 months ago
Oh man.  This brings me back to the days of the uproar that happened years ago with the Sabrina Online porn XD.
DismalDon
2 months ago
What about independent creators' characters like Sabrina Online, Vicki Fox or any other webcomic?  Should we refrain from drawing Cerberus the aardvark because it was created and written by Dave Sim and one artist (I forgot his name)?
C1de
2 months ago
lol commies
OtterButter
2 months ago
This one is kind of frustrating to me. Understand the hypocrisy you're talking about, how IB and FA seen to not care about the drawing of public characters, such as those from Pokemon or Digimon or Zootopia, etc, but then enforce "censorship" when it comes to other artist's characters.

You mentioned in an earlier reply that respect is earned, not granted. Why is that? I would think that respect is the same as understanding that others have the same capacity for feelings that you do, and trying your best not to step on those feelings the same as you wouldn't want someone stepping on yours.

It seems you are pretty open with your characters, and don't mind others drawing what they like about you and yours, but that's not always the case with others. I know that with my character, who I feel is simply the mask I like to use for online interaction, and feels like my second identity... I wouldn't want another artist to draw him without my permission. Allowing that without any censorship opens up an extreme amount of potential for toxicity. If another user and I have an argument, what's to stop them from drawing my character doing something I hate?

So let's say this happens, someone draws my character (me) jacking off to a fetish i find disgusting. And let's say people recognize it and I start getting messages from those people wanting to welcome me into that new fetish, and I do not have the help from a mod to take it down. My options are... what exactly? I can either disable my private messages, so I get to miss out on legitimate messages, I get to completely delete my profile and content so that no one knows who that character is supposed to be anymore, or I can... just sit and suffer. Right?

That artist has gained little, and I've lost a lot. I want to know if you think that would be a situation where I should be respected, or if how I feel about it is irrelevant and I should go fuck myself simply for existing and having feelings.
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