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Mandela Effect Theory - How Many were in the JFK Limo?

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There have been videos on youtube recently that suggests C.E.R.N. has opened a portal in which a parallel reality has emerged and altered the past history on various things. The theory is called the Mandela Effect...Makes a good Twilight Zone episode.
This posting is one example of the things they claim. And I also discredit that claim in this posting as well.

Past deceivers had brought up things that were truthful, And then would then contradict the public that a fallacy they had fabricated is the truth instead...Sometimes they use to try to back it up with a photo-shopped image of something.
This older method of smoke-n-mirrors can easily be debunked with archives, old photos and old newspaper clippings.

The deception of this one is more clever. They begin with agreeing with the public on popular mispreceptions about past and historical things (and there are more of them than you would think). Then they will produce actual truthful evidence of the correct way something is...If a photo is the proof, it is not altered, but there is a deception to it.

They will not say, "You were mistaken. I have proof of that. See this old photo?"

They will instead say, "The way we all knew history is no longer that way. A portal from CERN has altered history. Look at this old photo. We never knew things this way. And this old photo now shows it the way the past is now. History has supernaturally changed, and this photo now shows it".

In actuality, that photo had always been correct from the beginning.
They are using popular mispreceptions most people have of history as a tool of deception.
With this more cunning method of smoke-n-mirrors, someone who falls for the deception could be looking at the old newspaper clippings their Grand Dad had from 1963, and swear up-n-down that the parallel reality from the C.E.R.N. portal had supernaturally altered the photos to include Governor Connelly and his wife riding in the limo.

I other words, instead of lying, they are turning the truth into a lie...or present the truth as an alteration of history.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw-YiEnHJ4s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIjqZEAIkgE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGpHyCW6Bgc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6x0ErYV1tE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcSOPHfq8jY

I've also loaded a Youtube slideshow video of this, and it has a catchy R&B song about magic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjXGt7t6w_8

I posted a 3:45 Youtube slideshow video debunking the theory, and it has a catchy R&B song about magic;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjXGt7t6w_8
Between footages 0:20 and 0:30, someone who was only glancing at the video might think they were tripping out.



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Teko
2 years, 4 months ago
Thank you. It's one of the sillier conspiracy theories I've heard in a good long time.
moyomongoose
2 years, 4 months ago
It is quite a doozie.
That JFK thing is also claimed on the video in the first link in the description.

I'll be posting a Youtube video tomorrow with the JFK information, in which will be a black and white image of the Presidential Limousine that I have edited out Governor Connelly and his wife from. The image looks pretty convincing, and will be used to get a point across in my video.
moyomongoose
2 years, 4 months ago
I've posted a 3:45 Youtube slideshow about it. It also has a catchy R&B song about magic, that goes with it well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjXGt7t6w_8

Between footages 0:20 and 0:30, if someone was only glancing at the video, it might mess with their mind a bit.
EderComics
2 years, 4 months ago
Nice!
ThaPig
2 years, 4 months ago
If history had been altered, then nobody (including the makers of the video) would have any knowledge of the "old version" of history, because the past was changed.

Remember in Back to the Future when a past event was changed in the present the photo of that event also changed accordingly? Kind of like that.
moyomongoose
2 years, 4 months ago
I notice they never think of that when they try to fool the public...Or more accurately, they probably have thought of it, but they know the public is really easy too fool.
ThaPig
2 years, 4 months ago
Yeah, in my opinion, that's the weakness of ever single conspiracy theory. If that things is soooo secret... how come they know about it?
DraculJOSHI
2 years, 4 months ago
that would only be true if Einstein was wrong... he wasn't.

time is relative, thus allowing people to perceive it from their own point of view no matter how they move through it or how it changes.
ThaPig
2 years, 4 months ago
That's nonsense. The concept that "Time is relative" has nothing to do with people perceiving past events differently. Einstein's relativity is about tiny particles moving at huge speeds.
DraculJOSHI
2 years, 4 months ago
okay, let's try this simply.

The theory of relativity contains mechanics that create a corollary between motion, mass and time.

the most significant results from this are, that gravity, the effect of mass, affects not only matter, but also time as well as the fact that the velocity of an object in the 3 dimensional space affects an object's movement in time as swell.

The reason for this, that time in this theory is not a separate thing, but a 4th dimension. Forming a construct referred to as time-space or space-time.

This has been proven by an experiment with an atomic clock... which is the most accurate of clocks, being accelerated to a high velocity for some time... the result was, that the clock was out of sync with the identical clock that wasn't accelerated.

This means, that every object that doesn't stand still moves through time at a slightly different pace than everything else... which, of course, is only possible if time not static, but relative.

and a relative time means, that time itself can change without the people in it changing... at least not those that were there 'before' the change... although this 'before' is not linked to any point in time.
CeilYurie
2 years, 4 months ago
Problem, time is not the fourth dimension. hyperspace is. You cube a cube and you don't magically get timne, you get a hyperdimensional tesseract which has lots of cubes inside it of the same volume as the original cube.

Time is relative to the UNIVERSE. It's an arbitrary perception of measurement. Hell, time is relevant even to the earth. To the planet 100 years is nothing to a person it's a long time.

In fact with quantum mechanics it solves your "problem". it creates TWO universes witha  common divergence point. The only people who know the difference are those who knew about the other universe and it's future at the point of the divergence. This is how the Mirror Universe (or one version of it) was created in Star Trek. the events of the movie First Contact created a divergence point, cochrane now knew about the Borg, he flips a coin and heads he don't tell the vulcans, tails he does. Boom, two unverses linked yet diverged.

Also, the atomic clock uses tiny particals, so the point you are arguing against still applies. As for when it applies to people it is at extremely high speeds, to get a really huge difference you'd need to accelerate to like .9c or at least .5c
DraculJOSHI
2 years, 4 months ago
except... not.

" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimension#Complex_dimension wrote:

Time

A temporal dimension is a dimension of time. Time is often referred to as the "fourth dimension" for this reason, but that is not to imply that it is a spatial dimension. A temporal dimension is one way to measure physical change. It is perceived differently from the three spatial dimensions in that there is only one of it, and that we cannot move freely in time but subjectively move in one direction.

The equations used in physics to model reality do not treat time in the same way that humans commonly perceive it. The equations of classical mechanics are symmetric with respect to time, and equations of quantum mechanics are typically symmetric if both time and other quantities (such as charge and parity) are reversed. In these models, the perception of time flowing in one direction is an artifact of the laws of thermodynamics (we perceive time as flowing in the direction of increasing entropy).

The best-known treatment of time as a dimension is Poincaré and Einstein's special relativity (and extended to general relativity), which treats perceived space and time as components of a four-dimensional manifold, known as spacetime, and in the special, flat case as Minkowski space.


also, please don't abuse quantum mechanics like this.
What you're talking about are the dimensions 5-10... and that's something I am NOT going to argue over the internet.
CeilYurie
2 years, 4 months ago
And time as a dimension is no longer considered accurate. the true 4th dimension is hyperspace.
ThaPig
2 years, 4 months ago
Still doesn't have anything to do with alternate timelines or changing the past. Einstein's theory of Relativity only implies time passes faster or slower under very extreme conditions (like very fast speeds and huge gravity, which humans would probably never experience) it has nothing to do with more than one timeline or different humans experiencing different versions of history.
EmmetEarwax
1 year, 5 months ago
I was never happy with "changing the past" stories. All kinds of logic problems. In my fan-fics, an attempt to alter the past just created a divergent reality along with the original. Many alternate realities were the result of history change attempts by Travelers.
CeilYurie
2 years, 4 months ago
What? this is a thing?
moyomongoose
2 years, 4 months ago
I explains the clever method of smoke-n-mirrors use by those who are perpetuating the Mandela Effect Theory.
CeilYurie
2 years, 4 months ago
More like an excuse for idiots.
moyomongoose
2 years, 4 months ago
It exposes their deception.
CeilYurie
2 years, 4 months ago
Yeah.
AlyssaKamber
2 years, 3 months ago
The Mandela Effect thing is indeed kind of silly, but fascinating. But it predates CERN's Hadron Collider. People have been making claims for decades that this or that isn't as they remember it. See: the Berenstain Bears (had it been BerenSEIN, as a kid I would have imagined a beer stein).
moyomongoose
2 years, 3 months ago
Their method of deception seems to be agreeing with others who don't remember correctly how things actually were (tell them how right they are)...Then produce evidence of how things always really were. Then they represent the evidence as proof that the past has been altered...As long as you have them fooled into thinking the evidence is a product an altered history, there is no need to keep the evidence hidden.
It is the clever trick of turning the truth into a lie in the minds of others, so when the eyes of others actually do see the truth, their minds still do not see the truth, regardless how long and how often they actually do see the evidence before them.

The old method of deception was to simply disagree with those who remember the way things actually were (telling everyone "I am right and all of you are wrong"). Then try to hide the evidence of what was always correct. That method was less effective, especially when the day comes they can no longer keep the evidence hidden...No one can not hide evidence forever.
What is so ineffective about that "old hat" way of starting off telling everyone only you are right, is that when the evidence finally does get discovered, the lie is instantly debunked.


In short;
With the Mandela Effect deception, the truth is rigged to support a lie.
With the conventional deception, the truth is left as it is to expose a lie.
AlyssaKamber
2 years, 3 months ago
I think there are far fewer conspiracies than you may believe there are. There are countless YouTubers and bloggers making claims, but none of them have the slightest bit of evidence-- in this case beyond "I swear this thing used to be different!" You seem to suggest C.E.R.N is connected, but the Mandela Effect existed long before C.E.R.N was ever a thing.

My cousin's husband worked at C.E.R.N on the hadron collider. He finds these theories patently silly, as he does the old claims that the collider would create a black hole that would swallow the earth. Some even claim C.E.R.N. opened an interdimensional doorway and let a monster into the world. Everyone wants to believe there are evil schemes being covered up, and if you prove that the ones they believe aren't real, thy either make up new ones, or insist you must be part of the cover-up.
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