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BANNED: Back to the Future is Child Porn.


Yesterday, Deviantart deleted a reference turnaround from our account, and proceeded to erase Dreamkeepers fanart by other creators.  

No vital organs have been penetrated, my blood loss appears to be minimal.  I've contacted FEMA, and expect a disaster relief task force to arrive at any moment- let's just pray they can tunnel through the salt deposits in time.

Though minor, this event is a good enough reason to articulate my thoughts on artistic expression, and it's valid limitations:

There aren't any.  

There.  Mission accomplished, let's pack it up.  Is there really anyone out there declaring that lines on paper should be banned if they form the wrong shape?    ...Yes?  Oh.  Marvelous.    

Most people intuitively get artistic freedom, but it was eye-opening seeing equivocations stray in on twitter.  

"Surely," some postulated, "there is a gray area here."  

If you draw the lines light enough, then yes, you can get gray.

Now, are platforms entitled to have their own policies, to curate what content they deem acceptable for consumption?

Yes.  

And we can point out when those policies are wrongheaded, so let us commence.

Here's a true statement:

Lines on paper hurt nobody.  Artists should be free to depict anything, and audiences free to see whatever they want in fiction.

Nobody is out there re-enacting Clockwork Orange and forcing strangers to view art against their will.  Provided users can add relevant filters and avoid the stuff they wish to avoid, there is no reason to crack down on 'bad' art, no matter how sinful or problematic it may be.    

Critics are still free to decry content they dislike, and explain their rationale.  Sometimes appalling work can trigger discussions of value.  But when content is banned from the get-go by misguided policies, even critics are deprived of an opportunity to enumerate their perspective.

And something being decreed "offensive" is a non-starter for any serious thinker.  An ever-expanding sphere of aggressive sensitivity is not a sufficient justification for circumscribing the freedoms and rights of artists.  
Anyone with cartoon-related PTSD has the power to adjust settings on their accounts, and create their own online safe space- but they should not have the power to impose those preferences on everyone else.

Those trying to argue that fiction somehow translates into real-world harm must surmount a formidable body of scientific literature indicating otherwise.  Rise in shoot-em-up video games?  Look at that, drop in violent crime statistics.  How curious.

Why not blame fiction?  Anything to avoid acknowledging the existence of personal responsibility.

The stray killer who plays video games is strikingly similar to the stray killer who eats breakfast in the morning- that is to say, responsible for their actions.  Unless they cannot distinguish fiction from reality, in which case the relevant factor is mental illness.

At no point is it plausible to point at a drawing and declare, "There, that's the cause of it all."

The moralizers were wrong to burn comics in the 1950's, wrong to demonize D&D, wrong to blame real-world violence on Doom, and they were wrong to claim gaming was generating a sexism tsunami.  

But I'm sure the next moral panic will be right on the money.  

Killing people is wrong- isn't it wrong to make a game of it?  Robbing banks is unethical- should we discourage heist movies? Underage sex is illegal- who could possibly condone depictions of it?

Society at large seems fine with depictions of murder, children, and even murdered children, so:

Let's cut straight to that unforgivable example, the place where people go weak in the knees, where logic squirms away under the threat of social crucifixion- CHILD PORN.  

Few topics demonstrate the ugly results of fuzzy thinking with greater clarity.  So let's be clear.  

There is a vast galaxy of difference between lines on paper, and the abuse of a vulnerable, thinking, feeling human being.  The two are not merely different by degree- they are utterly, qualitatively distinct from one another.   They will never be even close to the same thing.  

Doodling lines on paper violates nobody's rights.  Any debater seeking to score points by conflating that with real-life abuse is welcome to exit the conversation now, because it does neither artists nor survivors any favors to dabble in intellectual dishonesty.  

So, we are talking about cartoons here- artistic fabrications, works of fiction.  And hey, why stop at the evil du-jour of child porn?  Let's go all out- strap yourself in.  

Underage nymphs copulating with infants on the Ark of the Covenant while promoting racism and shitting cephalopods onto the Bible, Atlas Shrugged, and Das Kapital all at the same time- in full Nazi regalia, while shooting gorillas and screaming the praises of the Wild Thornberrys.  For the purposes of this conversation we'll shorten this depiction to 'The Worst.'  

Am I really suggesting that platforms allow The Worst?

Yes.  

Now, I am not defending The Worst.  How could I, it's literally The Worst!  

I hope we can all recognize that supporting the right to free expression does not entail approving of what everyone does with it.  I'm not defending The Worst, but I am standing for the right of someone to depict it in fiction.  Because even The Worst is just marks on paper- or pages in a book, or harmless light from a screen.

So let's say, for the sake of argument, that a platform can successfully police The Worst from their site.  After all, 'artistic freedom' is so abstract.   But art depicting kids in sexual situations?  Come on, realistically we shouldn't allow that, it's just wrong!  Why should we permit immoral imagination?  If we don't like it, then nobody should have the option, right?  

Let's take a look at an excerpt from DeviantArt's policy.

"..Artworks using completely original fictional characters which appear to be minors or children shown nude or placed into sexual situations ...  nor may they be depicted in any erotic manner or in any sexually provocative scene or manner of dress."

That seems reasonable.

Unless you think about it for longer than ten seconds.  

Mature, complex stories grapple with the darkest regions of human nature.  These works can sometimes fulfill the highest purposes of fiction.

So what if a comic wanted to explore the grim world of underage human trafficking, and still be on DeviantArt?

This policy would ban it.

Hard-hitting, truthful art need not apply.

And even lighthearted, family friendly fare doesn't pass muster.   Marty McFly of Back to the Future is seventeen- underage- and placed in a series of erotic, provocative sexual situations- with his own mother.

Underage child in a sexual, erotically suggestive situation?  Back to the Future is child porn, according to DeviantArt's policy.  Buster Bunny with no pants?  Unacceptable nudity.  

If a comic depicts a kid with a water balloon, and that just so happens to be the private kink of some mod who pops a boner?  Well then shame on that artist, they shouldn't have drawn a child in an erotic situation.

But surely mods will be reasonable when deciding how to apply their powers- they wouldn't violate the spirit of the rule to strike down innocuous content.

Like, oh, a reference sheet.

If you really believe that anonymous unaccountable censors will always refrain from vindictive abuses of power, well, bless your heart.  

Perceptions of double-standards and capricious moderation are one of the most corrosive threats to the long-term health of any social platform- just look at the 2014-2016 stock value devastation of twitter.  Users do not like the feeling that a platform is picking winners and losers.    

And, of all things, fiction does not need to be policed.

But what about liability?  Platforms have to censor The Worst, or they could risk legal problems.  For all I know, this excuse might even be true- but I'm not a lawyer.  I'm an artist, so I'm going to stand for creative freedom.   If bad laws are impairing the ability of platforms to operate, they should grow a spine and work to change those laws- rather than caving and dumping artistic limitations on a young generation of developing creators.

If the law or pious payment processors or rampaging puritans are the problem, then let's clarify that and deal with it directly- rather than using it as an excuse to stop talking.

And in fact, the moment a platform draws a line- where *this* art is acceptable, and *this* art is banned- they create a cataclysmic headache for themselves.

Now they have to police their entire universe of content- they strike the absurd posture of adopting responsibility for what every one of their users creates and shares.  This is like the telephone company taking responsibility for threatening phone calls, and tasking themselves with monitoring all conversations to remove the wrong bits in real-time.  

And once they begin censoring 'bad' content, it constitutes tacit approval of everything they don't remove.

Enable mature results and search using a few colorful terms on Deviantart, check out some of the sick shit they approve of.  

Even if they're making the Wild Thornberrys, I'll stand for the creative freedom of everyone.  And art platforms can step on that freedom if they choose- but that doesn't mean we have to shut up and like it.  

We should allow people the creative freedom to depict even horrible things in fiction- sometimes that's the best way they have of coping with those thoughts or experiences.  After all, if it really is some hideous sin, what better place for it than fiction?  Sometimes it can even help others struggling across the same emotional landscape.

Of all places, art and fiction should be an arena of absolute freedom. The one place where we can create, where we can emote and express, where we can share...

Anything.










 



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Added: 6 years, 2 months ago
 
KolewazakiSan
6 years, 2 months ago
" Underage nymphs copulating with infants on the Ark of the Covenant while promoting racism and shitting cephalopods onto the Bible, Atlas Shrugged, and Das Kapital all at the same time- in full Nazi regalia, while shooting gorillas and screaming the praises of the Wild Thornberrys.  For the purposes of this conversation we'll shorten this depiction to 'The Worst.'


SOMEBODY DRAW THIS, PLS! XD
Depending on how it's executed this could be hilarious :D Ofc it could also be drawn in a way that is absolutely terrible. Or anywhere in the middle. But in any possible case - brilliant!
Dreamkeepers
6 years, 1 month ago
I endorse this directive.    X D
Mancoin
6 years, 2 months ago
Ah DeviantART.
Extremely subjective bunch over there really.
They've stated some rules, that's fine,
but somehow certain things that clearly violate their own rules are allowed to stay up while other things, that arguably didn't even really violate the same rules, are removed and punished for extremely quickly.

That being said... This made me awfully curious to see what it was that the almighty dA damned to the land of the banned...
TehProGai
6 years, 1 month ago
I do believe it was the Lillie's nude female turnaround. Then, it was several of Savval's pictures of Namah, then Lord Kiyo's tribal-themed DK pics; to name a handful.
Mancoin
6 years, 1 month ago
Oh my lord seriously? XD
So much worse litters dA it's incredible
TehProGai
6 years, 1 month ago
ikr? You can bet your bottom dollar that there's no way the male turnaround will get past the radar if the female version got removed.
Mancoin
6 years, 1 month ago
RIP male turnaround xD

Though it kinda makes me want to draw something sort of silly of cute ol' Lilith : D
DjijeyHellfire
6 years, 1 month ago
This is pretty much the point i have been trying to make for the last 2 weeks or something after Furry Network banned cub porn. Only problem is that no one listens, no one care about artistic freedom if it doesn't affect them, even though if not speaking up about it will sooner or later affect them when something they like become morally wrong.
SenGrisane
6 years, 1 month ago
An artist on FA has started depicting his childhood with abuse parents in short comic form. It is more painful and gut wremching to look at than any type of porn I have seen on IB. He has put a trigger warning on the thumb.
For the artist the comics are an outlet to process what happened. And from the comments I read, some viewers have had the same benefit.

Art can produce powerful emotions. But just because some people don't like the emotion provoked, does not mean they should deny others this chance.
TehProGai
6 years, 1 month ago
The world will continue to spin around the morals that the government and religion have setup for it. Only true artists and creators in their mediums will refuse to conform to these morals because they know it all limits them. Those who follow the morals will shun and forsaken all those who don't. It's the nature of the beast.

It encourages me to see you expressing your support of full creative freedom so passionately. I really wish there were more creators who share your ideals like this.
AlexanderValentine
6 years, 1 month ago
Honestly, DA is and always will be a joke.
I'd sooner post on tumblr.

Not to mention I have a hateboner for DA after one of their mods almost caused someone to commit suicide.
DeviantArt: A horrible, horrible place that even the devil himself refuses to go.
Tycloud
6 years, 1 month ago
Agreed.
Tycloud
6 years, 1 month ago
I would also add that I respect you two allot more now for openly taking a stance against censorship.
Lyserdigi
6 years, 1 month ago
now now,
me and mi droogas like to go outies and play sometimes the good ol' in-out, in-out game haraso...
now don't be a zanuda and let me and mi boys do our thing proper..
*offers you a tall glass of cooled "milk" ..*
NeksusCat
6 years, 1 month ago
That's just.. All of my yes, man!
I have nothing more to say. *thumbs up*
SissyLeo
6 years, 1 month ago
Agreed, one person really shouldn't be trusted to have the power to choose what's ok and what's not. That's just going to lead to corruption like that. They can be free to extort others, threatening to takedown their content if they don't do a favor or give money to the mod. I just stopped trusting people in general. Especially give  this last election and the loads of election fraud following Hillary in the last primary.
otterface
6 years, 1 month ago
I concur, wholeheartedly. Censorship and restriction of artistic freedom are never acceptable.
Tivmic
6 years, 1 month ago
Been a huge fan of you two for years. With this statement, you've placed yourselves firmly in the ranks of the rational, and earned my deepest respect. Thanks so much for speaking out.
KNIFE
6 years, 1 month ago
AbsoFUCKINGlutly  right!!
Thank you!!
fixban72
6 years, 1 month ago
Once for a speak class, I did a support argument pointing out all the good things about D&D. It was not well received. I had to get another teacher to look at my work to not get a bad grade.
iMouse
6 years, 1 month ago
Posting nude drawings on dA was always painful. It gave headache to many artists out there.
Sporefox
6 years, 1 month ago
Well you seem to have found the reason I stopped uploading full images to deviantart as well as my newer works. As I grow older, my artwork changes and has grown into the mature realm due to the absence of restrictions on what I can create. DA needs to evaluate it's rules a bit more deeply and look at what is good and should stay, and do away with things that hinder their users from feeling they can upload without fear of being banned or 'hunted down' for their creative thinking. Sorry you had to go through the DA fiasco like so many of us have before. Falison wasn't even sexual, but the prologue pages set someone off and I can't post the next pages there due to fear.

I just want to create without fear.
Azadeth
6 years, 1 month ago
I agree with you, and I deeply enjoyed reading this. Much respect.
Wolfian18
6 years, 1 month ago
So long as a website has a functional tagging system (not depending solely on artists to tag, but allowing logged in community members to add/remove/modify tags as well) and has a tag-blocking system, I completely agree.
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