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AlexReynard

Observations out of nowhere on the offensiveness of jokes

This is something that was rolling around in my head while I was eating dinner this evening.

I've said before lots of times that I absolutely hate people who get outraged over jokes. People who think that words matter more than actions. That all the good works of a person's entire life should be thrown on the trash heap the instant they say a couple of sentences that might make someone, somewhere feel bad momentarily.

For starters, these people don't understand what humor is. Jokes are a healing process. You can't fear something you can laugh at. And you can't hate someone you can laugh with.

But more than that, I hate these kinda people because they allow real-world suffering to flourish. The subject matter they think is so serious you can't joke about it? They're diverting people's attention from the subject, to the joke. They're like dogs barking at a cardboard cutout of a burglar, then expecting a pat on the head afterwards for saving the day. 'Hey everyone, let's focus all our attention on problems in jokes and pop culture, instead of in reality! Let's attack the mirror for what it reflects! Let's shoot the messenger! And be sure to give MEEEEEE lots of attention and praise and clicks for telling everyone else what to get upset about!!!'

Some people are so lazy and cowardly that, rather than taking action against things that matter, they only pick fights they can easily win. So their targets are always people who can be forced to apologize under enough public pressure. Meanwhile, suicide bombers, sweatshop owners, dictators and banks don't give a shit how many angry Tweets they get sent. Opposing them takes real action, which some people don't have the courage for. These people, who gang up on joke-tellers, are not heroes. They are nothing but bullies.

Nothing but bullies.
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Added: 10 years, 4 months ago
 
CeilYurei
10 years, 4 months ago
Agreed. And as for ISIS-Chan, a recent joke character, I would tap that in a minute.
AlexReynard
10 years, 4 months ago
I'm more partial to Vivian myself. ;)
CeilYurei
10 years, 4 months ago
Vivian?
AlexReynard
10 years, 4 months ago
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/vivian-james

One of the best instances I've seen of a bunch of people doing tangible good for the most deliciously petty vengeful reasons. :)
CeilYurei
10 years, 4 months ago
Nice, and she's cute.
Grimster101
10 years, 4 months ago
Very well said. I agree with you. Also fights are very easy over the internet because you're not face to face. It's quite pathetic actually. And yeah.. As you said, people always end up focusing on all the pointless "problems" as they call it instead of actual problems.. People take offense way too easily that it's just outright dumb.

AlexReynard
10 years, 4 months ago
>Also fights are very easy over the internet because you're not face to face.

Exactly. I saw a video from Boogie2988 where he was talking about how, in real life, when you say something shitty to another person, you have to see their reaction. You have to see how much you hurt them. Online, there's none of that. There's no negative reinforcement to ping your conscience.

I always try really hard to not say anything online I wouldn't say IRL, in every way you can take that.

>People take offense way too easily that it's just outright dumb.

Offense is an emotion, it's understandable. The problem is, generations of people who've grown up believing that offense matters. That it means anything to anyone beside the person who feels it. That "I'm offended!" is the same as an argument. Abnd that "I'm offended" is legitimate justification to censor. Something being offensive and something being harmful are two different things.
Grimster101
10 years, 4 months ago
You're right. Though in regards to the people take offense too easily part, I meant it more in regards to jokes ^^  Not other things. But yes you are right :3
chaosblackwing
10 years, 4 months ago
That "I'm offended!" is the same as an argument.

That. That idea needs to die a horrible, screaming death, torn apart by three dozen screaming weasels covered in cool-whip(with a light dusting of nutmeg).

'You're offended? So what? Why should I, or anyone else, care in the slightest that you're offended by something?'

'That was offensive/You've offended me!' only works as an argument if you subscribe to the monumentally stupid idea that no one has the right to offend other people, or that people have the right to be not offended by those around them.

No one has the right to go through life without being offended. Period, end of discussion.

Now, 'I'm offended by that because-' can be a good jumping off point for a discussion on why something is offensive or seen as a problem to someone, but when the feeling of being offended is presented as the problem, rather than the by-product, then no, that is not a valid argument or point, and the person making it deserves to be offended even more until they realize this.
MistahToonCatUwU
10 years, 4 months ago
reminds me when my friend got hilarious stares when he was talking about the youtube video where a guy took a bunch of illegal immigrants to a police department instead of his deck to work on

then we all laughed like the mexicans we are
AlexReynard
10 years, 4 months ago
I think some people don't understand that sharing offensive jokes can be a sign of friendship. Like, 'I know you well enough that I can say this and you'll know I don't mean any insult'. They're like little trust-tests. My friend Relee is incredible at these out-of-the-blue deadpan put-downs that are just amazingly blunt, and coming from someone else they might cut like a knife, but I know he's a big sweetheart and is just playin'.

I just had a thought. Insult-jokes like that among friends are kind of like saying, 'I see your faults, and you're still my friend anyway.'
LeafyGreens
10 years, 4 months ago
>I just had a thought. Insult-jokes like that among friends are kind of like saying, 'I see your faults, and you're still my friend anyway.'

Not only does it show that the friend accepts your faults, it also keeps you grounded by reminding you that the faults exist.
AlexReynard
10 years, 4 months ago
That is an excellent point. We can't improve unless we know what to improve, and ribbing from friends can be a way to get some outside criticism that doesn't sting as much as if a stranger said it. More easily gets past our emotional defenses so we can do something to change.
Shokuji
10 years, 4 months ago
" Hey everyone, let's focus all our attention on problems in jokes and pop culture, instead of in reality!
Very much this.
" sweatshop owners, dictators and banks don't give a shit how many angry Tweets they get sent. Opposing them takes real action
And this.

They're also insisting that their feelings are more important than others. They can get offended by a joke, but we can't get offended by them wasting our time with being offended by jokes & fiction.
AlexReynard
10 years, 4 months ago
>They can get offended by a joke, but we can't get offended by them wasting our time with being offended by jokes & fiction.

YES. THIS. I lose my shit at people who will go ballistic on anyone who treats them the way they habitually treat others. In general, I hate the 'But it's okay when I do it' mentality.
Shokuji
10 years, 4 months ago
We need more thoughtful people like you in the world, sir. I'm happy to see you share your thoughts because I know they'll get people thinking and we really could use a bit more thinking in this world these days.
ZephonTsol
10 years, 4 months ago
Strange how things can be reflected that way.
CaptainKenmason
10 years, 4 months ago
all this. with a side of meninism. actually a whole mixing bowl full of meninism.
Blackraven2
10 years, 4 months ago
Reminds me of a nasty anti joke I brought up recently. But luckily the people here on IB are pretty jolly folk, no one took offence :-)

There's one sort of joke that I don't like, and thats jokes on behalf of someone else's shortcomings. If you start laughing at someone instead of with them - it can quickly become a form of bullying. Then it's hilarious for all but one, for whom its a slap in the face.

Some people can deal with that and even laugh over jokes that are made of them. Thats certainly great humour, but it would be unfair to take that for granted. If something still hurts you, you can't be expected to just laugh it off, yet. Being able to laugh about it means you already reached the next step of progress and got the necessary distance.

So touchy topics do exist - especially when it gets personal.
Humbug
10 years, 4 months ago
Some dictators care.

<3 Kim Jong Un.
PantyRanger
10 years, 4 months ago
I wonder if this has anything to do with the past seven months?
ArcticWolf
10 years, 4 months ago
ArcticWolf
10 years, 4 months ago
AlexReynard
10 years, 4 months ago
Enjoyed 'em both. Although really, I think nothing exemplifies what I'm talking about more than the fall of Michael Richards. He committed the unforgivable crime of being a white guy caught on camera calling black people niggers. So all the other white people had to distance themselves, saying, "We would never do such a thing in the post-racism 20th century! Cast him out! Let us never give him acting roles again!" And nobody cares that he was yelling at some rotten bastard hecklers who'd been ruining his show. Same thing happened to Daniel Tosh when he said it'd be funny if some female heckler got raped by six guys. Nobody mentions the fact that there is nothing a comedian could say to a heckler that they wouldn't deserve. People who buy a ticket to a show and then ruin that show for everyone else by making themselves the center of attention are inherently more rude than anything the comedian could say back to them. Michael Richards would have never said anything to those guys, and Tosh never would have said anything to that woman, if they hadn't chosen to stand up and put themselves in the crosshairs by being fucktards. But no, let's crucify the comedian because they're an easy target. We won't do jack shit to stop real problems, but we can feel morally superior, like we actually accomplished something, if we punish the hell out of people who remind us those problems still exist.
Rakaziel
10 years, 3 months ago
The problem are not so much those whiners (they have no power if nobody cares) but genuine organizations trying to reach 120% on their home turf instead of trying to reach 80% around the world - not surprising, given that humans still think in tribes and few expand that definiton to their entire species. As a result they whine about mere offensive wording in their press etc. instead of trying to stop actual crimes from happening abroad. The resources would be there, if they would not be wasted.
AlexReynard
10 years, 3 months ago
Good point.

I've been glad to see though, that as communications technology progresses, we humans get better bit by bit at not being so tribe-minded. It's hard to completely dehumanize those people "over there" if you can talk to one of 'em with the push of a button.
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