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AlexReynard

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

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This is the sound of my jaw dropping.

By now, you all know that I got banned from FA recently for criticizing the admins' lazy and inconsistent performance. Just now I was looking over my FA userpage to see if anyone had left any more shouts on it.

(Side note: Days after I'd been banned, someone felt a need to leave this as a shout on my page:
"Maybe Alex was really asking to be banned -- you know, like the way some women are asking to be raped (or so Alex reckons)?"
This was stupid, wrong and indefensible. As my friend Knyaz helpfully pointed out:
"Good thinking, [username]! The best way to win an argument is to start them with people who can't argue back!"
I won't say the person's name, but I will call them a loathsome coward.)

Anyway, back to my user page.

I noticed my profile looked different. That's when it hit me. MY PROFILE WAS ALTERED TO REMOVE MY MESSAGE SAYING I HAD MOVED TO INKBUNNY. ALL LINKS TO MY INKBUNNY ACCOUNT HAD BEEN REMOVED FROM MY FA PAGE. Maybe this happened recently, or I just hadn't noticed till now, but it happened.

This is... There aren't words for it. 'Sickeningly petty' doesn't come close to covering it. I am so shocked I haven't even begun to feel anger yet.

To think that after I was banned (Oh, excuse me: suspended. Temporarily. For ten years.), I tried to go the diplomatic route and politely ask Dragoneer if I could get access to my site back long enough to tidy some things up and say goodbye to my fans. I have no idea if he was the one who defaced my profile, but it's his site and I'm holding him responsible. Of all the honorless bullshit I have dealt with from that site, this is among the worst. To not only ban me from the site for telling the truth about the staff, AND ban me from the forums to prevent me from making my case there, they have the unspeakable gutlessness to try to keep my friends on FA from being able to find me at my new site!?

This is unforgivable.

In retaliation, I'm going to do the one thing they seem to hate more than anything else. I'm going to tell the truth about them.

For starters, here's a link to my 'All my new work will be uploaded to Inkbunny' journal. I'm surprised and yet not surprised that this is still up. It's far more blistering than the journal that got me banned, but it's buried a few levels deep in my journals, and the admins have proven with their actions that they only pay attention to what's right in front of their noses. "I OFFICIALLY REFUDIATE FURAFFINITY" Better screencap it quick. It wouldn't surprise me if it vanishes within a few days now that I've called attention to it.

And now, since you've all been waiting for it, here's the text of the journal that got me banned. I haven't changed a word of it, except to turn a line of hyphens into asterisks so it'll format correctly.

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"Haters Gonna Hate"

It's 90 degrees. It's past midnight. I'm hot, sweaty, foul-tempered and I've got a great big stinking turdlog of a story to tell. Strap in, furfriends.

About a week ago, I was notified by an admin that she'd taken down two of my submissions for violation of the 'no cub porn' rule.

You can already hear the punchline coming, can't you? Neither of the images were cub porn.

One of them had Chip giving Dale a footjob. The other one was me and Kuma doing godawful snuffie things to each other. So far as I know, neither feet nor gore are against the AUP.

Now, I have zero fucking idea why these two pics were chosen. They were both buried deep in my gallery and neither had attracted much attention, ever.

But is it possible the admin could have stumbled onto them and thought the characters were cubs because of my toony drawing style? Certainly. And all she had to do to clear that up was ask.

I wasn't asked. I wasn't warned. I haven't recieved one single word from this admin since. When I got the removal notices, I immediately sent her a PM asking for an explanation. I told her I was giving her 24 hours. 24 hours came and went with no response. So I reuploaded the images and opened a trouble ticket about the incident.

Now, did I know the admins wouldn't like me reuploading those images? Yes, of course. So why did I do it? Because I'm fucking sick of going through this shit. This is the umpteenth time they've permananely removed something they shouldn't have, and without giving me any say in it. I'm tired of it. (Did I ever tell you guys about the time an admin removed 30 or more of my submissions because he thought they were against the AUP? Only it turns out they weren't? So I'm just fucked because FA doesn't bother backing up anything?)

A while ago I did a journal about how the admins removed a nonsexual nude cub image I'd drawn. This isn't like that. In that case, I knew I was straddling a line. In this current case, none of the characters in either drawing were cubs. Age was not referred to at all. This was a mistake. Period.

Maybe two weeks ago, Dragoneer himself removed an image from my gallery that was blatantly cub porn. All I said was, 'That's fair.' Because it was. The admins have said plainly that they're gonna take down any cub porn they find, and I have absolutely no problem with that. So long as it is cub porn, and not random submissions that aren't cub porn.

By the logic this admin used, they could have wiped out every adult-rated image in my entire gallery by claiming the characters looked like cubs. By this same logic, she's got cub porn in her Favorites. This is an interpretation of the rules so vague it's meaningless. (Need I even mention that this is EXACTLY the sort of thing people were worried would happen when the cub ban was announced? Admins removing anything that looked in any way cubbish without consulting the artist first?)

So, yeah, the incredibly not-unexpected happened: the admins eventually got around to noticing my reupload (after about four days) and suspended me for five days.

(Also, I think I'm either hallucinating or something is malfunctioning. I am looking at the suspension countdown in one window and it says I have about thirty minutes left. In another window however, it says about seven hours. What the fuck!?)

Now, part of that suspension was due to another image I'd posted in February: the "Shit Just Got Real" one. Some of you might remember it. Turns out pictures of poo aren't allowed. It's in the AUP, and I just hadn't noticed. So that's completely my own fault and I'm not gonna bitch about it.

On the other hand, the other reason given for my suspension was that I "reuploaded AUP violating images".

<headdesk> The entire reason I reuploaded them was because they WEREN'T against the AUP...

So I went on the forums to bitch a bit. I asked 'What the hell?' What I recieved was about seven completely useless comments and exactly one helpful one. One person told me that it usually takes about five days for admins to respond to a non-emergency situation. That information was helpful! Had I known that, I would have waited longer, and I'll know to wait longer next time. I personally thanked this person.

The rest of the comments however, contained a lot of, "OH GAWD ALEXREYNARD IS STARTING DRAMA AGAIN." One particularly charming fellow decided it was his duty to 'warn' other users about my craziness, and did so by quoting a bunch of stuff I'd said completely out of context. Real classy.

I sent him a PM too. Quick summation: I know inevitably some people here will hate me. And that's okay. I don't mind being hated for who I am, for what I've said and for what I believe. But I don't like being lied about. If you're gonna hate me, then hate ME. Not some imaginary version of me you created.

Earlier tonight, I posted on the forums again. I asked people to tell me if they'd had admins remove non-cub images from their galleries too. I said specifically that I didn't want a big discussion. I asked people to please just reply if this had happened to them personally.

Four off-topic comments later, the thread got locked.

Seriously, there was only one half of one comment that was slightly on topic. And that was someone saying it hadn't happened to them. Two of the comments said I should ask the admins directly why my submissions were removed (WHICH WASN'T WHAT I WAS FUCKING ASKING), and the other two were "OH GAWD ALEXREYNARD IS STARTING DRAMA AGAIN."

<sigh> Lemme say something directly to these people: The drama you talk about? It doesn't exist until you come along and make it happen. The AlexReynard you hate is one that only exists in your damaged imaginations. When you people don't post, my discussions are usually civil and productive. Then someone has to come along with "ALEXRETARD IS A CRAZY FURFAG WHO SUPPORTS RAPING CHILDREN!!! LOLOLOLO!!!" You're the ones who cause the drama. You. I know it's useless to try to get you to understand that, but I have to try anyway or I'll drive my fucking skull through a wall.

Since I didn't get a smidgen of cooperation on the first thread, I tried a second time. This time I added a disclaimer: 'This is NOT about me. This is NOT about starting drama. This is NOT about 'baww the admins'. This is just to gauge how many people this has happened to. Please do not reply unless this has happened to you.'

The thread was removed and I was temp-banned from the forums. I think. I'm not even sure.

You know... There's a point where my hatred has burned so long it slides right into apathy. I think this was that point. At times I begin to wonder, "Do You People Exist Simply To Give Me Headaches?"

I sent a PM to the admin who'd locked the first thread, asking why. By now you may be asking, "But Alex? Why do you bother? You know you never, ever get a satisfying answer back." And to you I would reply, "It doesn't matter how many times I'm disappointed. I will keep on expecting competence and civility from other people because that should be the standard. When I give in and believe that everyone just sucks, then my soul will shrivel up and I will die."

So I ask the admin. I even asked them what I could have done differently. Their response was to say that, obviously I was lying about my motivations and was trying to turn something that affected only me into a site-wide problem.

<headdesk headdesk headdesk headdesk headdesk headdesk> The whole point of my post was to ASK if it was a site-wide problem!!!

And if I was the only one this had happened to, I wouldn't have even asked! I've had two people tell me they've both had non-cub stuff removed. One person even told me that he asked an admin what was acceptable and what was unacceptable in his gallery. The admin gave thumbs down to a submission that wasn't cub porn, and a thumbs-up to another pic that clearly was.

In their reply to me, the admin actually said "Your post is not necessary, you want to vent or make polls like that try your journal. This is not a site wide issue that needs to spam the forums with."

When an admin views asking a legitimate question as 'spamming', then they need to not be an admin anymore. Period.

So, getting back to the suspension, it's finally over now. I can access my account again. Wheeeeeee. Yeah, I'm real happy to be back here...

Okay, no. That's not quite fair. The reason I stay is because of you: the majority of users here who know how to read and know how to be civil. I know that most of you are awesome people. It's just that the ones who aren't awesome tend to stick in my head like that Friday song.

I wanna devote this next section directly towards this site's admins.

*****

Hey, guys. If you're going to substitute personal judgment for the site's written rules whenever you want, then just don't have written rules. It's that simple. Your actions already prove that the AUP doesn't mean anything. I learned this when you removed my "This Is Not A Child" drawing. The drawing itself complied perfectly well with what was written in the AUP. But you admins said it didn't matter. You all agreed that it was in violation anyway. You ignored your rules. So why bother having them?

Your actions have proven that there really only needs to be one rule in the AUP: "Whether a submission is acceptable or unacceptable depends entirely on what any given admin thinks at any given time."

Here's a suggestion that my friend Sen recently made: Why not make a set of site-wide guidelines to determine what is and isn't cub? Seriously, why not? I asked him if he was willing to try writing up such a set of guidelines and he made a very impressive first draft. Something like this would benefit everyone: it would be easier for the admins to determine what to remove and what to leave, and it would make it WAY easier for users to predict which of their submissions might be crossing the line.

Or am I asking too much of you?

*****

I asked on the forums if anyone else was having a problem with non-cub submissions getting removed. I genuinely want to know. Because right now I have no idea if it's just me and a handful of other people. If it's just me, I'll shut up about it. Honestly, I will! But if this is happening to people all over the site, then I'll keep being an annoyance to the admins about it.

Because they don't seem to understand that being annoyed is part of their job. Their job is to do what's right; not what's easiest for them.

Last year, another of my submissions was removed even though it fully complied with the AUP, and one admin just arbitrarily decided it didn't. I asked him why I wasn't even asked about it. He said he doesn't give people warnings about submissions, or allow any kind of defense, because "It's quicker and easier to just delete them. Users usually don't comply with takedown requests/demands."

So that makes it okay to not even try. How convenient.

How condescending. How lazy.

Because it's quicker and easier to assume that everyone on the site is an asshole, that makes it okay to not give anyone a say in what happens to their artwork? I've seen this same attitude elsewhere. Another admin said that she gets sick of people bitching to her when she asks them to take down their art, so usually she just doesn't bother.

Gee, is it possible that maybe we bitch at you guys because sometimes you're WRONG!?

I stay on this site for two reasons. Because some of you haven't left for Inkbunny yet and I want to be here for you until you do. (Seriously; do it now. Right now. There's absolutely no reason not to.) And also because, until they decide to just straight-up ban me, I'm going to be the one to keep on telling the admins, "You're not doing your damn job right." It doesn't matter how much they ignore me. It doesn't matter how much the second-grade dropouts on the forums laugh at me for trying. It needs to be said because it needs to be said.


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Here is the 'suspension' notice I was sent a few days later. Of course, the journal I posted was removed.


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Access Suspended

Your account has been temporarily suspended for the following reason:


You have been permanently suspended from Fur Affinity for your continued antagonistic behavior against the staff, and the site. Your continued misrepresentation of facts in order to get attention and sympathy at the expense of others also plays a factor in this.

Not only that, but your concurrent behavior and your extensive history of rules violations show that you are unwilling to understand and/or abide by the rules of the site. You have consistently gone out of your way to try to skirt those lines, and argue against them when they are there for a very good reason.

You do not bring these concerns to site staff, but instead post them publicly to garner attention towards yourself when you know that you were in clear violation of site policy. There are over 50+ individual violations on your account history where you have been in clear violation of our rules, and have posted before that you knew full well you were in violation but wanted an admin to do it for you.

We have given you extended chances to correct your behavior only to see those chances met with drama.



The suspension will be lifted after the amount of time specified below.
0009.11.16 23:30:08


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The notice itself is an insult, but I was most hurt by this: "Your continued misrepresentation of facts in order to get attention and sympathy at the expense of others also plays a factor in this." I wish you could see the red in my cheeks. I wish you could see the clench of my jaw. How DARE they accuse me of lying!

Moving on, here's the notice I was sent on the forums less than 24 hours later.


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vBulletin Message

You have been banned for the following reason:
You have been permanently banned from the forums because you are a disruption to the community.

Date the ban will be lifted: Never


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I have posted on the forums probably less than ten times. The idea that I am a disruption is a lie. As you read in my journal, when I have posted on the forums, I've been misunderstood and insulted. To the admins, it's my own fault just for being there. How nice. The truth is that, if I was a disruption, it's because I expected people there to behave like adults.

Finally, here's the text of the letter I sent to Dragoneer.


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Dragoneer;

I swear on my personal honor that eveything in this letter is sincere.

For starters, I am not writing to ask you to let me stay on FA. Friends I've talked to have helped me realize that I'm as frustrated being here as you are dealing with me being here. We both think it's time for me to go.

The suspension notice didn't surprise me much. Frankly, the only part of it that genuinely upset me was: "Your continued misrepresentation of facts in order to get attention and sympathy at the expense of others also plays a factor in this." I have NEVER knowingly misrepresented anything that has happened to me on the site. I know I've been wrong about things, but I have never deliberately lied. And my motivation has never been to get sympathy. When I post, it's because I believe the other users on the site have a right to know. I also do it to let other people who've had the same bad experiences know that they aren't alone.

I don't criticize FA because I hate it. I criticize it because there's a lot I like about this place and it frustrates me that it could be better and it isn't. (At least in my opinion.)

The suspension notice also said that I don't take my concerns to the admins. So, I'm doing that now.

I'll be honest; when this happened I felt incredibly angry. My first instinct was to start thinking of some way to raise hell about this. But I stopped myself. Because I am tired of people thinking that all I do is 'start drama'. For my own sake, I wanted to be able to say that I tried the peaceful way first.



What I'm asking is this:

I would like a 24hr window to, basically, tidy things up. I had some new submissions I needed to look through. I'd like to save the comments from some of my journals and submissions. I was also talking with a friend from Canada and we were making travel plans about an upcoming visit; I'd like to be able to copy+paste the text from our last PM and continue our conversation elsewhere.

Most of all, I want to let my watchers know that this is permanent. If you gave me this opporunity, I would post a last journal. It would just say that I'm leaving. No long explanations, no rants. Just 'So long, and thanks for being awesome friends.'

After the 24 hours (or less, so long as you let me know when it'll be so I don't miss it by being asleep or something), you can do whatever you want to my account. You can watch me like a hawk while I'm logged in; I wouldn't blame you a bit.



This would be an opportunity for you to have me gone with neither of us to looking bad because of it. To be honest, people have already told me that they think I'm being kicked out to censor me. That perception would change if I had the opportunity to leave on my own.

This is not a trick. I promise I would not abuse this favor by getting back into my account and posting a bunch of angry anti-admin stuff (or whatever). I would do only what I've said I want to do.

I take promises very seriously. If I were to break this promise, you would have this letter. You could use it to prove me a backstabbing liar, and you'd have every right to.

On IB, I made a journal telling people about the suspension, but begging them not to do anything about it, that I would handle things. I told them I wanted to write you a calm, civil letter to try and resolve this. Multiple people told me I shouldn't bother; that you wouldn't listen.

I'm ignoring them and taking a chance. Because, despite the fact that I don't like how you run the place, I still don't dislike you as a person. I judge people by their actions, and the times we've directly talked you've earned my respect by not being the ogre I was led to expect. You're another human being who happens to disagree with me; that's all.

I recognize that I am asking you for a favor at a time when you're probably least likely to want to give me one. I am asking for a bit of mercy. And in return I will quietly leave. We can both have what we want, and neither of us looks like the villain.

Let's be honest: there are people who think you're a monster and people who think I'm a monster. Wanna prove 'em all wrong by actually cooperating on something?


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It's been two weeks and no reply from him. Maybe my email went unread. Maybe he chose not to reply out of maliciousness. Maybe he forgot to. Maybe he simply couldn't decide, and so just did nothing. I have no idea. But by now, I've learned that I don't have much reason to assume the best of him.

If you want to do something to protest how I've been treated, then link to this journal anywhere and everywhere you can. Repost the text of it if you like. Let people know. People deserve to know.

This is not about me. Despite what the admins think, I am not doing this to gain sympathy. And if I'm trying to attract attention, it's not towards myself, but towards them that I want it focused. I have no reason to believe that what happened to me couldn't happen to any other FA user if they spoke out too. I was telling people months and months ago that FA was a sinking ship and that lifeboats were ready and waiting to take them to Inkbunny Island. Plenty of people said, "Oh, things aren't that bad." Yes they are. Yes. They. Are.

If you speak out for me, you'll have my gratitude. But if you repost this information, let it be because you believe in the content, not because of who wrote it. Don't do it because of me, do it because you believe that this needs to be heard.

I am not asking you to do anything that breaks any site rules. In fact, I am specifically telling you NOT to do anything that breaks site rules. If you do, then you give them a legitimate reason to punish you. The point here is that you will likely be banned or suspended anyway. Just for telling the truth. Just for posting a journal, like you have every right to do. Because this isn't about rules. This is about FA admins trying to shut up people who point out their failures. And in doing so, they show themselves for the panicky, frightened tyrants they are.

They actually think they can erase what they've done to me. Who would like to help me prove them wrong?



[EDIT] PolkaKitty came up with a brilliantly simple idea:
"If you're giving up on FA in favor of Inkbunny?  What I think you should do is, right-click and save Inkbunny's default usericon, and upload it in place of your icon on FA.  Now, FA's admins could still just replace your icon with their own default, and we know from this incident that they have little enough honor to do that. But we also know that FA's admins are too lazy to take on any of the big changes that they promise themselves, so if enough people do it, they may just throw in the towel and say that the new AUP prohibits avatars that contain references to other sites (but neglect to actually update the AUP,) and hope that someone else does their dirty work for them. And I don't know about anyone else, but I could just laugh myself sick at the idea of Dragoneer frantically trying to cover up all the little Inkbunnies springing up on his site."
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Osprey
Osprey
14 years, 4 months ago
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I think the changing of the userpage to be blank is an automatic process that is restored when the person is unbanned.  Don't quote me on that.
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 4 months ago
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No, no! That would be too simple! The link to my IB page is the ONLY thing that was removed! The rest of my profile is still there! Which is how I know it was intentionally done.
Osprey
Osprey
14 years, 4 months ago
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It might've been done to "protect" the site since the link leads to a "Cub Friendly" site and they want to keep underaged users from going there.  Or to prevent potential lawsuits.
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 4 months ago
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Extremely unlikely. That link was there for months before this, and I've never heard of anyone else having links to Inkbunny removed. Although to be honest, I don't know how many people have links to Inkbunny up on FA. If someone's reading this and knows for sure, tell me.
SpearWolf
SpearWolf
14 years, 4 months ago
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It's absolutely wrong. Dragoneer himself posted links to Inkbunny and Sofurry in a journal of his on the day cub porn was banned.
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 4 months ago
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Really now? Fascinating. I wonder if it wasn't something like, "Go here if you don't like it!" And people did. And then he was like, "I didn't mean literally!!" ;)
SpearWolf
SpearWolf
14 years, 4 months ago
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https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1891099/ This was the journal in question.
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 4 months ago
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Thanks! Always good to show, not just tell.

What he said in the journal is actually pretty respectable. Unfortunately, the more I've dealt with Dragoneer, the more I have painfully learned that he's fully capable of saying very reasonable things, which bear no relation to how he actually acts...
LoboronWolfmage
LoboronWolfmage
9 years, 8 months ago
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btw, that journal has been removed. Don't know when, but it gives a "Fatal System error". I'd say Draggy just validated you Alex.
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
9 years, 8 months ago
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One part of me is willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, that maybe their system just purges 4 year old journals to save space... But the other part of me knows it's ass-covering because he's a jiggly sack of neurotic cowardice. :3
KushHeadFievelAndNubs
KushHeadFievelAndNubs
14 years, 4 months ago
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Nearly NO Activity here, equals, I just hardly care anymore. I once in a great (Extreme) great while even have anything to post. That's not banned. I wish all luck. Immature ppl, doing such a Ban. Grow Up!
BYE FA Fieve :(
Hehehe
I outa place up one of my Cub Porn pics... not as if they couldn't decide (Kiskaloo) is Cub Like enough to Ban me for it.


LOL


Huggles...

Fieve.. ;)
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 4 months ago
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Thanks for the support. :)
KushHeadFievelAndNubs
KushHeadFievelAndNubs
14 years, 4 months ago
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;)
I am leaving.
Not here!
I posted a Journal, and then took down what little I did have.
I'll be nuking all of my watchers soon too.
Heck, I wasn't going on much to start with... I would LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
at this point, if they Suspended or Banned me.


Fieve... ;)
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 4 months ago
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Good for you!
KushHeadFievelAndNubs
KushHeadFievelAndNubs
14 years, 4 months ago
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It is a good way to make a statement... Up and leave,,, and encourage others to do so too.
Tomorrow, I am wiping my watch list clean. If anyone didn't read that message on my profile.. *Yeah Well,, shrugs as I'm saying it.*
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 4 months ago
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>It is a good way to make a statement... Up and leave,,, and encourage others to do so too.

Exactly. A good friend helped me to realize that it'd be better for me to just leave FA than for me to stay and keep ranting about it.

>Tomorrow, I am wiping my watch list clean. If anyone didn't read that message on my profile.. *Yeah Well,, shrugs as I'm saying it.*

I don't think you need to go that far. Why punish your watchers? It's not their fault.
KushHeadFievelAndNubs
KushHeadFievelAndNubs
14 years, 4 months ago
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Crudely copied and pasted...

FievelJ ( Member )
  
Full Name: Fievel J Mousekewitz Jr
Artist Type: Writer
Registered since: January 9th, 2010 02:46
Current mood: determined
Artist Profile:
You Have 24 Hours To Follow Me To Inkbunny.
After then... I Will Be Nuking My Entire Watch List.

I don't really mean to punish them, but I also wanna send a strung message.
(Please Do Not Watch Me.)

(I will Not Watch Back.)
48 Hours. Extended... I'll post these changes, as is, but I'll still be doing so.
It was you who made me feel as though I should extend it... but they may not get it clear enough otherwise.
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 4 months ago
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>I don't really mean to punish them, but I also wanna send a strung message.
(Please Do Not Watch Me.)

Fair enough. At least you're giving them a warning.
KushHeadFievelAndNubs
KushHeadFievelAndNubs
14 years, 4 months ago
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well of course I'm giving fair warning... I'm not just gonna up and delete them.
I also want to send an ever lasting message. Fact is, I rarely went on to start with, so leaving feels like 0
feels like nothing at all... the problem with leaving watchers behind, is if 20 of em send me messages, I may never even read em. I would rather people know, so they and I can move on.
How about you?
At least I have a choice... they didn't end up giving U UR choice.


Huggles Tightly, <3 <3


Fieve. ;)
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 4 months ago
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>the problem with leaving watchers behind, is if 20 of em send me messages, I may never even read em. I would rather people know, so they and I can move on. How about you?

Sadly, whenever I log in, the page does show me how many comments and PMs I still have that I'll never be able to read. It's very annoying.
KushHeadFievelAndNubs
KushHeadFievelAndNubs
14 years, 3 months ago
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Yeah I know. *Huggles*
That's why I ended that with what I did about having a choice.
I would rather that, then to do something to break their precious rules.
Give me a break, the (US Supreme Court) is having problems even sustaining the Yaoi, Shota and Lilicon laws... they don't seem to even wanna touch Cub Porn. It's obvious why, because there's 0 chance of it interacting with the real world.
https://inkbunny.net/journalview.php?id=11961
People will bring up that it resembles (Children)
Then they also claim it encourages it.
Certain parts in the above journal cover things as such. In my opinion, these people are not looking at things like that, (At All!) These people who abuse many neighborhood children, and because people are scared of these gangs, a lot goes unreported.


Sorry for that.
But yeah, I am getting out before they decide something is too inappropriate... cause I don't want to be boarder line. (So They Claim), for them to give me some sort of extended suspension.
IB is growing by the way, and I believe (Dragoneer) is following on Twitter. If IB starts to be a threat to him, he'll probably start looking for a way to lax things... he's already lost me, and it would do you good, to just stay away from there too.

*Huggles*
They could have at least let you clean some things up.


Fieve... ;)
Priest22
Priest22
14 years, 4 months ago
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Fuck. Fur. Affinity.
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 4 months ago
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Nah. Your dick would get infected if you did that. ;)
Cyndon
Cyndon
14 years, 3 months ago
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FA is a cancer. and an STD. all wrapped up in one. =3
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 3 months ago
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"FurAffinity... is a disease. You are a cancer of this planet, Misssster Dragoneer. And we... are the cure."

Does anybody make Matrix references anymore?
Alfador
Alfador
14 years, 3 months ago
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"There is no spoon" was largely replaced in meme status by "The cake is a lie".
SenGrisane
SenGrisane
14 years, 4 months ago
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*hugs*
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 4 months ago
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<hugbacks>
CuriousFerret
CuriousFerret
14 years, 4 months ago
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Wondering if anyone has reported the user that left the comment,  "Maybe Alex was really asking to be banned -- you know, like the way some women are asking to be raped (or so Alex reckons)?"

Something like that should be discouraged or a suspension offense in and of it's self...
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 4 months ago
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Ideally, it should. But with FA, whether they'll punish behavior like that or ignore it is a crapshoot.
CuriousFerret
CuriousFerret
14 years, 4 months ago
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I'm tempted to poke the user or admin to ask for some civility and remove the comment.

Your supposed to be able to delete your own comments...
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 4 months ago
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>Your supposed to be able to delete your own comments...

They left it after I'd been banned and couldn't remove it. I'm certain they knew that.

And no; I don't want it removed. I want it to stay there because it's way more of an embarrassment to them than to me.
CuriousFerret
CuriousFerret
14 years, 4 months ago
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*Nods*

It's really a tasteless thing to say offending more then just the one it's said against.

The user should have known better.
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 4 months ago
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Exactly. They should have. And I want what they said to stay there to show anyone who reads it that they didn't know any better.
Cascadiarch
Cascadiarch
14 years, 4 months ago
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I tried that, I'm afraid. They messaged me back with "Oh, fuck off!" Some people just aren't made to be civil. :<
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 4 months ago
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That's disgusting and yet unsurprising. It seems like nothing annoys them more than being asked to do their job correctly.
Cascadiarch
Cascadiarch
14 years, 4 months ago
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No, no, I meant I poked the user about their comment and that was the response I got. I didn't notify an admin or anything, since I don't think they'd do anything.
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 4 months ago
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Oh! My apologies then. To both you and the admins. I'll criticize them like crazy for the things they've done, but I try my best not to allow myself to go too far and blame them for things they haven't done.

And yeah, if that's the reply you got from the user, it's not surprising. I seem to remember I talked to them once (maybe twice) and they were the type to post something venomous, then scamper away when I replied. People like them can dish it out but are terrified of having to take it.
Ainoko
Ainoko
14 years, 4 months ago
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Alex, be thankful that Dragoneer didn't do to your page what he did to Allan
JustLurking
JustLurking
14 years, 4 months ago
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Edited 14 years, 4 months ago by Owner
What did he do to Allan?
AlexReynard: And yes, FA sucks.  Sorry to hear you got such bad behaviour from them. :-(
Ainoko
Ainoko
14 years, 4 months ago
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Allan was banned due to his commissioning pattern and other issues, you go here: https://www.furaffinity.net/user/allan/  and you won't find his page, just a white page. And yes Allan has a page here
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 4 months ago
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At this point, anything he does to me just makes him look worse. So if he wants to, that's fine by me. Whenever he aims at me he shoots himself in the foot.
Ainoko
Ainoko
14 years, 4 months ago
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I agree. Unfortunately, I have to play on both site as not all artists I watch are over here. And to be honest, there are things that both sites can learn from each other (though something that 'neer would never admit to attempting himself).
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 4 months ago
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I'd be curious as to what you think IB can learn from FA. (Although I definitely wish their search bar and search results didn't have to be on separate pages.)
Ainoko
Ainoko
14 years, 4 months ago
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The search on FA is better than here, FA can load more images in our inbox/gallery (60 compared to the 12 here), here we have better tags, filters, who we can deny seeing our galleries, easier method of blocking someone we don't care for.
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 4 months ago
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All true. But the problems I have with IB are so minor that they're easily ignored. They're all just inconveniences. I haven't run into any 'oh god this is awful'-type problems here so far. Well, except for the cap on writing submission length. But they've already fixed that. So long as this keeps up, I'll pretty much figuratively suck Starling's dick at the drop of a hat. ;)
Ainoko
Ainoko
14 years, 4 months ago
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Who wouldn't?
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 4 months ago
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LOL!
Ainoko
Ainoko
14 years, 4 months ago
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But the biggest thing I like about IB is the ability to change how the BG looks (about 10 images) compared to the two (2) that FA has
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 4 months ago
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Indeed. Even the mascot at the top of the page is customizable!
Ainoko
Ainoko
14 years, 4 months ago
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I know, this is something that FA needs, bad. Though to be honest, what will most likely spell the end for FA will be how far behind the times the site is in many areas. Not to mention the site needs to updated in a major way. Every site that I have been a member of as revamped their pages at least twice in the past six years.
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 4 months ago
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Indeed. If there's anything that can kill something on the internet, it's the perception that it's gotten old and stale. ;)
Ainoko
Ainoko
14 years, 3 months ago
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Moreso when updates are well over two years past due.
gamemania15
gamemania15
14 years, 4 months ago
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I left FA a while back. I have no reason to be on a site that has administrators that are complete retards, (more like school children who can't even read yet). I didn't even leave a message saying I had moved to IB, I just left. Since nobody really ever commented on my stuff, I didn't have a reason to say anything about me moving. (Not trying to whine here, just stating the facts >.>) I love it here at Ink Bunny way more than at Fur Affinity. That place is like going to jail and being whipped with chains while being insulted by the guards. I do often go there to remove my new submissions and such, just for the heck of it. I do feel really sorry for you that you have to be treated like this. This is the kind of behavior that comes from people who feel good about themselves treating other people online (who they can't even see) like dirt, because they could never treat them like that in real life. (Talking about the administrators at FA here). Maybe I should just go and delete my FA page. I have no reason to be there anymore. Everything that I had there is here and more, anyway. But I dunno how to get rid of an account. ALSO. I find it funny that the babyfur group accounts that people made on FA are STILL THERE. Are the Administrators that clueless? (Yes, I did go and read your whole journal)
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 4 months ago
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"That place is like going to jail and being whipped with chains while being insulted by the guards."

That is a great description. I love it when people in the comments say things that express just how I feel.

I don't think there is a way to delete your page. Why not go out with a bang though and repost my journal? ;D

>I find it funny that the babyfur group accounts that people made on FA are STILL THERE. Are the Administrators that clueless?

No; they're that lazy. They don't go out and look for that kind of stuff; they just wait for other people to report on it. They have an apalling pattern of expecting the site's users to do their work for them.
KushHeadFievelAndNubs
KushHeadFievelAndNubs
14 years, 4 months ago
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I have saw this behavior before. Over on http://www.agnph.com and I am no rookie to it.
I don't know if he's still an administrator or just message board Moderator, but his attitude is primarily the reason I left agnph.
Then I go and become a member of something he actually owns and runs. Anything in his opinion is only doing so for attention. So the only section even today I belong to over there, is the /fics/ section.
I will never have a gallery section ever again, because all they wanna do on there, is criticize next to everything anyone does.
Unless a pic is near perfect, and there's nothing to pick on, they will be picking on it.
A search for him on agnph, shows that I guess he did leave for sure.
But he did from time to time leave messages. He's never changed the icon much, and it's not something you forget.
Thank God for people like Psyco_Charmander, who usually treated me better then anyone else.


On Here.


One year plus. That's how old IB is. They already have certain filters in place, according to TheGreenReaper.
And member count is going up.
WOW!
Is it really that high already?
46,935 Total Members
According to the latest statistics.
If Inkbunny has done that, in just a little over one year, imagine 9, which I believe is how long it took for FA to accumulate 500,000 +
Even if for only 6, not for from 50,000  already, in just 1 year.
I would love to know, how much activity there actually is with so many.
I do know, there's sometimes less activity on my watch list on FA, as there is here. But then again, I have accumulated more whom I am watching here on IB, and have actually succeeded in better then half the watch backs, and I'll only be here for a year, around the same time that the FA ban on Cub Porn, is a year old.
Trust me, things will only get better from here on out. And the more people can support this site, who don't mind Cub Porn, the longer it will stay.


Sorry I went and posted two messages..
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 4 months ago
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No worries.

I actually don't mind if IB never gets as popular as FA. I'd much rather this stay a high quality site instead of just having more members. FA can brag all it wants about having greater numbers, but we've got competent site leadership over here and happy users. Which is more important?
polkakitty
polkakitty
14 years, 4 months ago
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Actually, I think that Inkbunny is quite explicitly aiming at a much narrower audience than FA, but that's a large part of what makes it good.  It's specifically meant to be a furry art site.  Not a years-old-4chan-meme-conformance site.  Not a random-cell-phone-pictures-of-yourself-at-a-club site.  And especially not a wtf_fa-style harass-those-who-unlike-yourself-have-created-something-to-show-for-their-life site.

And, for better or worse, not a human porn site.  I realize that's problematic for some people (especially TF fans.)  But that rule is in place largely because of actual legal concerns (laws that have absolutely no right to exist anywhere, but that doesn't mean that the rational response to them is to just pretend they don't exist.)  And there are already so many artists on FA that have an alternate gallery on something like Pixiv or Hentai Foundry for their human porn, even though they don't strictly have to, that I just can't consider it to be much of a flaw on Inkbunny's part.

So yeah, I don't think Inkbunny will ever get to have quite as many users as FA does.  But considering that it's designed specifically to cater to the subset of FA's users that have ever contributed anything, there's really no way I can complain about that.  There's no reason for a furry art site to try to cater to anyone who's disinterested or actively hostile to furry art, and we, as a fandom, really, really need to get over our collective case of Geek Social Fallacy #1.
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 4 months ago
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>It's specifically meant to be a furry art site.  Not a years-old-4chan-meme-conformance site.  Not a random-cell-phone-pictures-of-yourself-at-a-club site.  And especially not a wtf_fa-style harass-those-who-unlike-yourself-have-created-something-to-show-for-their-life site.

AMEN, BROTHER.

>I just can't consider it to be much of a flaw on Inkbunny's part.

Agreed also. I accept that IB's a furry art site, not a site for anything else. I don't go into a Taco Bell and expect them to serve hamburgers, no matter how much I want one.

>But considering that it's designed specifically to cater to the subset of FA's users that have ever contributed anything, there's really no way I can complain about that.

I like that sentence so much I want it to grow a dick that I can suck. ^__^
randomfox
randomfox
14 years, 4 months ago
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"Disgust is not a valid basis for restricting expression." - Anton Scalia
CuriousFerret
CuriousFerret
14 years, 4 months ago
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Still people should be responsible to their remarks, false statements that attack a group of people who have been victimized will be and should be shunned.
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 4 months ago
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O.O Wow, I've actually felt that same sentiment for a really long time, and that's about the most succinctly perfect way I've ever seen it written.

How bizarre that it's from the same guy who basically installed Bush in the White House...
SpearWolf
SpearWolf
14 years, 4 months ago
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Just today, too, Scalia wrote for the majority in not allowing a legal ban on violent video games to kids. Once in a blue moon, a random electrical current made out of common sense fluctuates in his brain.
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 4 months ago
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Oh yeah. I read that a little while ago. Some of what he wrote, which was pretty much LOLing at the California law, was hilarious. Score one unambiguous win for free speech! Yay!
YukiAkuma
YukiAkuma
14 years, 4 months ago
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You know, the thing that popped out at me the most about this was "concurrent behaviour".

...Seriously? That word doesn't...

Well. At least you still have a site that isn't staffed by total tools, right?

Now, where are the FA servers located? >.> No... reason...
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 4 months ago
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>..Seriously? That word doesn't...

I think I know what they were going for there, but, yeah...

Something that I noticed was "You have consistently gone out of your way to try to skirt those lines, and argue against them when they are there for a very good reason." Very good reasons, eh? And what would those be? Funny how when I've asked for an admin's reasons for their behavior, I've almost always gotten ignored.

>Now, where are the FA servers located? >.> No... reason...

I don't know, but if I did, I would sell the location to al Qaida. ;)
Alfador
Alfador
14 years, 4 months ago
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Al Qaida? That's... going a little too far. I'd feel much safer, even as far away as I am, if you got some band of raving loonies from our own country rather than some band of raving loonies with international religious extremist ties. A domestic terrorist group instead of an international one; you might get the A.L.F. (no relation) to do the job based on all the guro pictures on FA! :D
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 4 months ago
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Ooh! Ooh! I'll get PETA! Tell them there's a hideous website that condones depictions of bestiality! ;D
Alfador
Alfador
14 years, 4 months ago
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That works. XD
YukiAkuma
YukiAkuma
14 years, 3 months ago
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Personally I'd rather just firebomb it myself.
Alfador
Alfador
14 years, 3 months ago
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Well yeah, but then YOU'D eventually get caught and incarcerated. I'd rather get somebody like PETA or ALF to do it because then THEY'D get caught after taking them down, and then THEY'D get taken down. Two birds, one stone! (there's a metaphor that'll get PETA angry, ahahaha)
polkakitty
polkakitty
14 years, 4 months ago
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" AlexReynard wrote:
MY PROFILE WAS ALTERED TO REMOVE MY MESSAGE SAYING I HAD MOVED TO INKBUNNY. ALL LINKS TO MY INKBUNNY ACCOUNT HAD BEEN REMOVED FROM MY FA PAGE.


Oh, FSM, that's just typical for them.  Of course they would do that.  Please understand, I am in no way trying to excuse what they did, it's just that it's such a perfect example of how they run their site.  After all, it's so much easier to cover up any criticism than to actually fix any of their problems.  Out of sight, out of mind....

I think the most telling thing I've ever seen about how Dragoneer runs FA, is during the whole Chewfox shitfit, when he left a shout on her page that said "get out of my fandom."  That's what it is to him.  "His" fandom.  Not a gathering that exists to celebrate the beauty and emotion and power and eroticism and imagination and folklore of anthropomorphic animals.  Just a gathering revolving around a single website, that exists to celebrate how inconceivably great Dragoneer is.  The truth about how he looks at the fandom, to me, is far worse than any of the ridiculous conspiracy theories you hear about him spending all the donations people send in on commissions.

And I think that Dragoneer and his sycophants are starting to panic now, at the idea that his 15 minutes are about to draw to a close, and the impending realization that his feelings of control are a lie.  He never owned the fandom.  We always could choose to go somewhere else.  And with Inkbunny being such a superior alternative to FA, we now have better reason than ever to go somewhere else.  Inkbunny, to them, is Toto pulling back the curtain on their lies, showing just what sad, ineffectual little men they really are behind the booming voices and spouting flames.

(In particular, just by existing, Inkbunny puts the lie to everything Yak's ever said to coders with decades more experience than him about how if they had ever coded a website, they'd understand that by an amazing coincidence, there's a 1-to-1 correlation between things that are impossible to do and things that Yak thinks would make the site a hugbox.  There is very, very good reason that "hugbox" ranks well above "lulz" on my list of phrases that make me revise down my estimate of someone's IQ by 50 points every time I hear them.)

There is something that I'd like to encourage others to do, if I may.  If you're giving up on FA in favor of Inkbunny?  What I think you should do is, right-click and save Inkbunny's default usericon, and upload it in place of your icon on FA.  Now, FA's admins could still just replace your icon with their own default, and we know from this incident that they have little enough honor to do that.  (Actually, knowing them, they'd probably replace it with a little "I <3 FA Admins" logo, thinking that that totally wouldn't look suspicious at all....)  But we also know that FA's admins are too lazy to take on any of the big changes that they promise themselves (viz. their claims of banning cub porn, or any of the features they've been promising for years that Inkbunny launched with,) so if enough people do it, they may just throw in the towel and say that the new AUP prohibits avatars that contain references to other sites (but neglect to actually update the AUP,) and hope that someone else does their dirty work for them.

And I don't know about anyone else, but I could just laugh myself sick at the idea of Dragoneer frantically trying to cover up all the little Inkbunnies springing up on his site.  See if he can make them disappear as easily as he once got rid of all the journal comments for a period of a few days, which by a million-to-one coincidence I'm sure, just happened to be the same period of a few days when quite a lot of people were calling bullshit on him for covering for rapists.  The thought of causing Dragoneer such panic just fills my blackened, shriveled heart with cockles.  I'm pretty sure it wouldn't actually be against any rules on either site, too!
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 4 months ago
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Wowwww... You're bitter! I like you! ;)

>After all, it's so much easier to cover up any criticism than to actually fix any of their problems.

Fucking Nailed It.

>I think the most telling thing I've ever seen about how Dragoneer runs FA, is during the whole Chewfox shitfit, when he left a shout on her page that said "get out of my fandom."  That's what it is to him.  "His" fandom.

<blinks> That is a really excellent point. A lot of his behavior makes sense if you imagine that he views site criticism (of any kind) as a personal insult against him.

>And I think that Dragoneer and his sycophants are starting to panic now,

I've heard tales that the admins have been banning people like crazy these days. Fine by me. The harder they try to hold onto their control, the more it'll squeeze through their fingers (to paraphrase Leia).

>There is very, very good reason that "hugbox" ranks well above "lulz" on my list of phrases that make me revise down my estimate of someone's IQ by 50 points every time I hear them.

I think I still hate 'lulz' more, but yes, general agreement here on both words.

>What I think you should do is, right-click and save Inkbunny's default usericon, and upload it in place of your icon on FA.

LOLOLOLOL. Simple and cunning. I wish I could do this myself. I'll recommend it though!

>The thought of causing Dragoneer such panic just fills my blackened, shriveled heart with cockles.

What exactly are cockles? ;)
polkakitty
polkakitty
14 years, 4 months ago
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" AlexReynard wrote:
Wowwww... You're bitter! I like you! ;)

Ooogh.  I do hope that's not the kind of thing people would like me for.

See, the thing is, my fursona in many ways is explicitly intended to be a backlash against the mindless angst and humorlessness of today's culture.  He's a goofy, cartoony accordion-playing street musician, and I make jokes about nobody wanting to listen to him, but he's not supposed to be ridiculously awful like Woody Allen playing the cello.  He's actually supposed to be really good at something that he loves, even if it's something that nobody else really cares about.

And I think of him as a throwback to stuff like Animaniacs and Mystery Science Theater 3000 that I knew growing up, when we had a culture that wasn't "ironically self-aware," but had the integrity to actually be self-aware.  He's supposed to be a middle finger in the face of the modern idea that it's always thoughtcrime to love anything unironically, that the worst thing that can ever happen to you is being laughed at, and that it's always better to cower in ever-mounting dread of the laughter, to give up on everything you care about because otherwise you'd be "taking it seriously."

....and I guess putting it that way actually makes me even more bitter.  Oh well.  Can't win them all.

I suppose I'm also what folks on Wikipedia call a WikiOgre.  Most of the time, I just kind of hang around and make the occasional rather unobtrusive comment that says something like "hey dude this is cool," and don't attract any attention.  Then occasionally something sets me off and I suddenly go into this HULK SMASH mode of cursing and rage and BLAAAAARG CURSE YOU WITH POXES OF BAD JUJU, YOU BLOODY BASTARDS!

" What exactly are cockles? ;)

My current hypothesis is that cockles are an important element of heart porn.  =3
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 4 months ago
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>Ooogh.  I do hope that's not the kind of thing people would like me for.

Well, you're bitter, but good at it. I like when someone can be eloquently bitter. ;)

>He's supposed to be a middle finger in the face of the modern idea that it's always thoughtcrime to love anything unironically

I AGREE SO MUCH IT HURTS. Sure, there's stuff in pop culture I loathe, but something I hate seeing nearly as much is how it seems to be a requisite of internet citizenship to hate everything. Or at least complain about it endlessly. I think that's a big reason My Little Pony became so staggeringly popular. It's about as unironically joyful a show as I've ever seen. I think a lot of people found it to be a breath of fresh air (me included) amongst so much post-modern, unfunny-in-a-supposedly-funny-way, ironic hipster shit.

>Then occasionally something sets me off and I suddenly go into this HULK SMASH mode of cursing and rage and BLAAAAARG CURSE YOU WITH POXES OF BAD JUJU, YOU BLOODY BASTARDS!

Story of my life.

>My current hypothesis is that cockles are an important element of heart porn.  =3

That's hot. ;)
polkakitty
polkakitty
14 years, 4 months ago
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" AlexReynard wrote:
Well, you're bitter, but good at it. I like when someone can be eloquently bitter. ;)

That makes sense.  I mean, I really don't want to be anything like the typical internet celebrity who would rather be angry than be right.  But sometimes you can, and indeed must, both be angry and be right.

(I hope nobody would just assume I'm always right about everything, though.  Some skepticism should be applied to everything, no matter who says it.)

" That's hot. ;)

Nice.  Goofy, surreal fetishes are the best fetishes.
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 3 months ago
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>I really don't want to be anything like the typical internet celebrity who would rather be angry than be right.  But sometimes you can, and indeed must, both be angry and be right.
>Some skepticism should be applied to everything, no matter who says it.
>Goofy, surreal fetishes are the best fetishes.

O.O YOU JUST KEEP CHURNING OUT SENTENCES THAT I AGREE WITH TO AN ORGASMIC DEGREE!!! :D
LandonFox
LandonFox
14 years, 3 months ago
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Damn.  Why must the perfect quote be on youtube, but then they had to poop it so that it's stupid.

Oh well, you get the first bit of it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w68QECDPr4U
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 3 months ago
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Thanks a lot. I ended up watching Robotnik poops for half an hour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQYVTIR0SvA&feature...
LandonFox
LandonFox
14 years, 3 months ago
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You're welcome.  >:3

If you want the ultimate, try this one:

http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/thatguywit...
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 3 months ago
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That's not a YouTube Poop though, entertaining as it was.

And the real ultimate will always be this one. :)
Alfador
Alfador
14 years, 4 months ago
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I've already updated my FA icon according to the suggestion. 8)
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 4 months ago
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Badass! I'll miss your bouncing head though. ;)
Alfador
Alfador
14 years, 4 months ago
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You can always see it again here: https://inkbunny.net/submissionview.php?id=7698 Also I might rotate my icon here; the goomba is cool and all but there are other Alfador icons to be seen! =^_^=
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 4 months ago
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>Also I might rotate my icon here; the goomba is cool and all but there are other Alfador icons to be seen! =^_^=

Yay! I think you're cuter as a fox than a goomba anyway. <kiss on the nose>
Alfador
Alfador
14 years, 4 months ago
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*giggles* I'm just so much more stompable this way, is all. =^_^=
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 4 months ago
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<stomps you several times with my foxy feet, while feeding you a steady supply of 1-up mushrooms> ;)
Alfador
Alfador
14 years, 4 months ago
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*pardly-ardly* *ruh-hip* *pardly-ardly* *ruh-hip* *pardly-ardly* *ruh-hip* *pardly-ardly* *ruh-hip* *pardly-ardly* *ruh-hip* =^_^=
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 4 months ago
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Alfador
Alfador
14 years, 3 months ago
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Nuuu, the extra "L" means an entire new syllable, which pushes it from a name into onomatopoeia for the 1UP sound.
polkakitty
polkakitty
14 years, 4 months ago
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Well, I'm flattered that people think it's a good idea.  Always glad to help a good cause!
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 4 months ago
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It's something that's clever, likely to be effective at annoying the admins, and easy to do. With luck, this'll spread like wildfire. <crosses fingers>
Ainoko
Ainoko
14 years, 4 months ago
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I was talking to someone about this and they brought up a frightening possibility, what if the admins make us choose between IB and FA?

I said if it ever came down to that happening, that will be the death of FA, as people wouldn't stand being told that they HAVE to be a member of either FA or IB, not both.
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 4 months ago
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That sounds scarily plausible, actually. I can see FA doing that out of spite. I admit it's probably not likely. But if something like that did happen, I can't say it'd surprise me.
Ainoko
Ainoko
14 years, 4 months ago
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Same here
polkakitty
polkakitty
14 years, 4 months ago
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What I think is likely to happen is that sooner or later, FA could fuck up their servers in some way and have another really long outage, like a couple of years ago when they went down for over a month.  If that happens, people might carry on and complain that they don't want to use a new site, but I think that they will choose to use a new site without much hesitation when the alternative is not using any furry site at all.

I mean, if you look carefully at peoples' watch lists on Inkbunny, you'll see that pretty much every notable artist on FA has registered an Inkbunny account, even if only to stop anyone from impersonating them, so as soon as they can't get back into FA, the idea of posting stuff on Inkbunny inevitably must occur to them.  And like I said to Starling on the site update about Inkbunny's 1st anniversary, I really think that there's much more desire for a better furry art site than FA than anyone realizes.  Once they've been around Inkbunny for a while, it's familiar to them, and their friends post here too, even if FA comes back up, what argument can anyone possibly make that they should come back?
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 4 months ago
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Well reasoned. I can't think of anything to say but that I agree. :)
lafeel
lafeel
14 years, 4 months ago
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Hate to say this, and I will freely admit to being the person that raised the possibility Ainoko mentioned above, but FA is either going to the dogs or already gone there.

If they try to make us decide between there and here, then my choice has long since been made.

And it is not in FA's favor.
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 4 months ago
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Well, most of us already know FA's sliding downhill fast. For a long time, they were the only game in town, so the admins didn't have to worry about their performance. After all, where else were people gonna go? Then Inkbunny shows up. People brush it off as a fad, or a 'cub porn site'. But more people join, and more people realize, "Hey, it's nice here!". And by now FA's probably irreparably locked into its pattern of 'punish people who point out site problems instead of fixing those problems'.

I'd like to see FA shape up and get better. I really would. I always prefer a happy resolution to any conflict. But if they keep on treating people the way they treated me, then they deserve to have so many people leave the site that it crumbles.
lafeel
lafeel
14 years, 4 months ago
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I know, and I've been holding out hope that it manages to reverse that slow slide.

Problem is that far from showing signs of doing just that, it's been showing sign that the slide is getting worse.

*sighs*
I hope I am wrong, and just being paranoid..but I can't shake this worry about a site that I actually used to like. I met so many interesting people and artists on it.

And yes you are very much included in that before you ask.
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 4 months ago
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Awww, thank you. And I totally agree with you. I wouldn't complain about FA so much if I didn't care about it. I see it like a good friend with a severe alcoholism problem. You want to get him help, but he refuses and just keeps on in the same behavior patterns that are making things worse.
lafeel
lafeel
14 years, 3 months ago
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No problem, as it is just the honest truth:)

And boy did you ever nail fa's situation with that analogy.
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 3 months ago
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Thanks very much. I like to think one of my biggest strengths as an author is that I'm very good with similes and metaphors. :)
SpearWolf
SpearWolf
14 years, 4 months ago
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"You do not bring these concerns to site staff" I laughed out loud here.

Also, I was listening to this while reading the journal.

I met and heard of Dragoneer before FurAffinity started up. Trust me when I say he was never really quite likeable to begin with.
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 4 months ago
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>I laughed out loud here.

I believe they meant that I post publicly about my problems instead of keeping it between me and the admins. They'd much prefer that. Keep it hush-hush when they ignore their own rules and act without thinking.

>Also, I was listening to this while reading the journal.

LOL!

>I met and heard of Dragoneer before FurAffinity started up. Trust me when I say he was never really quite likeable to begin with.

I saw him briefly at Anthrocon once. If I get up there next year, and he's there too, I would dearly love to walk up to him, look him in the eye, say, "Hello. I'm Alex Reynard," then give him a smile that could chill lava and simply walk away.
SpearWolf
SpearWolf
14 years, 4 months ago
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Oh, I knew I forgot to ask/say what I wanted to begin with, but I forgot amidst all the laughing at FA. Why don't you ask here if people from FA2IB have had images from FA removed in the same ways you had asked before on FA to no avail?
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 4 months ago
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Hopefully any who have will see that I asked that in the journal and say so. I may do another journal specifically asking about that though. It's a good idea. I just hope it wouldn't turn into a 'let's trash the admins' fest. I don't mind those, but that wouldn't be the point if I did.
Cyndon
Cyndon
14 years, 3 months ago
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->If I get up there next year, and he's there too, I would dearly love to walk up to him, look him in the eye, say, "Hello. I'm Alex Reynard," then give him a smile that could chill lava and simply walk away.

and now i wish i was going, so i could walk up to him and say "I'm a fan of Alex Reynard," just to hammer the point home.
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 3 months ago
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Oh... my... God... I just got this AMAZING mental image of people doing that throughout the entire con. Like, every few minutes, someone else walks up to him, says "I am a fan of Alex Reynard" and then just walks away. It would drive him mad! LOL!
Cyndon
Cyndon
14 years, 3 months ago
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... i approve of this mental image.
chaosblackwing
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14 years, 4 months ago
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Wait a second... I /was/ going to say how petty such an action is (and it is, seriously petty and malicious, AT BEST), but a thought just occurred to me as to a semi-rational reason why they would do something like removing any links to your IB account: they can't delete stuff over here.

Assuming, if you will, that in the mind(s) of the mod(s) that have been removing and in general harassing the hell out of you they feel that they are only 'getting rid of a disruptive influence on the site', making deleting your journals, getting rid of any submissions they feel might start discussions, and so on a way for them to stop the 'drama'(intelligent, rational conversations) that seem to pop up regularly on them a 'reasonable' action on their part.

(Of course from my perspective I see it more as power mad tyrants scrambling like mad to make sure any /hint/ of dissent and discontent with their actions isn't known widely, thus exposing their incompetence and the petty nature of their actions, but that's besides the point I'm making).

Now then, going off of the previous assumption of how they see things from their point of view, assume that one or more of them happened to see your account over here at IB, and more importantly see that you'd be posting, in it's entirety, the facts and relevant texts from the whole incident that brought about your 'ban that isn't a ban'. Suddenly they'd find themselves in the worst possible position of having their actions revealed, thus 'allowing the drama that they thought stopped' to flourish and grow(not to mentioned possibly having to justify their actions to a number of people, but I doubt that would consciously occur to them).

Panicking, they'd do the only thing they really could do at that point, that of trying to make sure anyone who watched, talked, or otherwise knew you on FA didn't know about your account here, and so would therefor not be able to see what you've posted over here, the journal most of all.

Or the alternative I suppose: they're just petty, god-complexe'd bullies who felt that the safest time to attack you was when you couldn't fight back, and figured they'd get their twisted kicks in when you couldn't do anything about it over there, take your pick.
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 4 months ago
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I agree with every word you said so hard my dick hurts.

I'd say you nailed them perfectly. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if they honestly do think I'm the bad guy here. If they really can't comprehend why what they've done to me is childish and dishonorable. I often get the feeling that most of the admin are very young. If not in age, then in spirit. (And not in the cute babyfur-type way!)

Needless to say, their pettiness is matched by their laziness and lack of forethought. If they honestly think that they can keep people from knowing about my IB presence by removing the links in my profile, then they have no idea how the internet works.
SpearWolf
SpearWolf
14 years, 4 months ago
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Well, it's pretty clear they don't know how websites work.
chaosblackwing
chaosblackwing
14 years, 3 months ago
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>I agree with every word you said so hard my dick hurts.

An agreement boner, guess I'll have to add that to the 'list of accomplishments perfect for shocking 'polite' company'.

I'd say you nailed them perfectly. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if they honestly do think I'm the bad guy here. If they really can't comprehend why what they've done to me is childish and dishonorable. I often get the feeling that most of the admin are very young. If not in age, then in spirit. (And not in the cute babyfur-type way!)

Well really, how many people, no matter how evil or flat out stupid they are realize it? They've always got some good reason in their mind for why they're acting like dicks, it's always for some good reason in their mind(no matter how wrong they might be), so I'm sure it's the same with the mods. And given their actions, I'd have to agree with you that they do seem to be more than a little childish in their responses.

>Needless to say, their pettiness is matched by their laziness and lack of forethought. If they honestly think that they can keep people from knowing about my IB presence by removing the links in my profile, then they have no idea how the internet works.

True enough. If that was their intention, it's something like someone going out and commanding a landslide to stop just by yelling at it. Sooner or later, the inevitable is just going to roll right over them, no matter how loud they shout.
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 3 months ago
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>An agreement boner, guess I'll have to add that to the 'list of accomplishments perfect for shocking 'polite' company'.

^__^

>Well really, how many people, no matter how evil or flat out stupid they are realize it?

This is a major concern for me. It's why I welcome disagreement and sometimes even insults. I don't trust myself to be a good enough barometer of my actions. I desperately don't want to become the kind of person I usually rant against, so I do my best to listen to criticism and accept what's true even if it hurts.

>And given their actions, I'd have to agree with you that they do seem to be more than a little childish in their responses.

I really get the feeling, from the way they type, that a lot of them are either in high school or college, and adminning bores them.

>True enough. If that was their intention, it's something like someone going out and commanding a landslide to stop just by yelling at it. Sooner or later, the inevitable is just going to roll right over them, no matter how loud they shout.

Honestly? If FA could tell me a rational reason for why they removed that Inkbunny link, I'd welcome it. Removing it doesn't make any sense. I'd be okay with being wrong about it so long as I had a freakin' explanation.
chaosblackwing
chaosblackwing
14 years, 3 months ago
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>This is a major concern for me. It's why I welcome disagreement and sometimes even insults. I don't trust myself to be a good enough barometer of my actions. I desperately don't want to become the kind of person I usually rant against, so I do my best to listen to criticism and accept what's true even if it hurts.

A really sound idea that, most people are Seriously good at ignoring their own faults, so it makes sense to use the observations of others(keeping in mind a difference of view on various thing) to get a fairly good idea of things you might need to work on. However, due to the inherent dislike of people to see their own faults, pulling something like that off successfully takes some serious doing, so kudos to you for managing it.

>I really get the feeling, from the way they type, that a lot of them are either in high school or college, and adminning bores them.

Actually, if it bored them that would explain a lot. I mean, if they don't care for the job, but end up having to to it anyway, that's just going to cause them to do a shoddy job at best, and then if someone brings a problem to them, either pointing it out or being the problem, there's good odds they'd overreact and go overboard with their response. Add an (un)-healthy dose of god-complex since they can pretty much do whatever they want, and you've got a recipe for a whole slew of problems.

>Honestly? If FA could tell me a rational reason for why they removed that Inkbunny link, I'd welcome it. Removing it doesn't make any sense. I'd be okay with being wrong about it so long as I had a freakin' explanation.

As I'm betting it was  a spur of the moment  act of childishness by whatever mod did it, I really doubt you'll ever get a reasonable explanation, as nice as one would be.
Alfador
Alfador
14 years, 4 months ago
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I sometimes ponder that an effective, albeit evil, way of getting artists to transfer to IB when they're firmly entrenched in FA, would be to go through each gallery of artists I like but want to see on Inkbunny, find everything sexual that's the slightest bit "cute" or "toony" and report them all to the FA admins as cub violation. Then when their art gets shit on by FA's admins, and there's nothing they can do about it, Inkbunny will seem like a better and better option...

This also suggests a way to get oneself banned, as if either of us ever had to worry about that. XD Just go through the ADMINS' galleries and start reporting them to each other! :D
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 4 months ago
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You're right; that would be effective, but I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I did it. Now, the idea of reporting the admins to one another... that is a stroke of genius. Like I said, the admin who originally removed my non-cub pictures had what would easily be considered cub porn in her favorites. I'll bet every last one of them has something in one of their galleries that could plausibly be called cub porn under a definition that vague..
Brainsister
Brainsister
14 years, 4 months ago
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" Alfador wrote:
(...) find everything sexual that's the slightest bit "cute" or "toony" (...)


The fact that I haven't been banned (or even warned) about the orgy of ambiguous, cutesy-poo tooniness in my FA gallery still baffles me. =p
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 3 months ago
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>The fact that I haven't been banned (or even warned) about the orgy of ambiguous, cutesy-poo tooniness in my FA gallery still baffles me. =p

I think the fact that your art is excellent and you're a well-liked fur probably has a lot to do with it. FA seems to let talented, popular people slide on things they'd crucify less talented people for.
Autumnringtail
Autumnringtail
14 years, 4 months ago
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Empires rise Empires fall
Hopefully people will be intelligent enough to realize that FA /= all of the furry fandom
still I would like somebody to rescue Fender he looks too good to die
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 4 months ago
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>still I would like somebody to rescue Fender he looks too good to die

LOL! He is pretty cute. Kinda like how sometimes there'll be a character I like in a really crappy movie and I'll try to divorce them from context in order to enjoy them. ;)
Autumnringtail
Autumnringtail
14 years, 4 months ago
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So something like
Fender: "Yeah like the site I'd endorsed just went dead mind if I crash at your place?"
Me (Tail perks up) "Sure!"
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 4 months ago
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Oo, what about Rednef? The two of them'll clean out your fridge in a matter of days.
Shuyo
Shuyo
14 years, 3 months ago
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You should totally get someone to draw a picture of Fender and Rednef walking out of the FA banner and being all Yao Ming.
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 3 months ago
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Sorry, I don't get the reference.
Bachri
Bachri
14 years, 4 months ago
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Left you a journal on my now-abandoned FA page, Alex.

https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/2478414/

Plus I took the great suggestion from the last part of your journal :)
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 4 months ago
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Awwwww. <hugs you> Makes me wish I could fav journals. :)

And thank PolkaKitty for that icon idea!
Bachri
Bachri
14 years, 4 months ago
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I know how to look at a situation. By not seeing it through anyone's eyes but my own. You are clearly not the person that the drama-callers say you are, and you are obviously not a bad guy like the admin's might claim. So, I choose your side ^^

I saw your non-sexual cub pic a long time ago (I think it had French writing in it) and I STRONGLY push that nudity in any context, other than explicit sexual interaction such as masturbation or actual intercourse, is absolutely non-sexual. The admin's removal of it is completely unfounded. So for stuff like that, I am completely against them.
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 4 months ago
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>You are clearly not the person that the drama-callers say you are, and you are obviously not a bad guy like the admin's might claim. So, I choose your side ^^

<giggles and blushes> Thanks.

>I saw your non-sexual cub pic a long time ago (I think it had French writing in it) and I STRONGLY push that nudity in any context, other than explicit sexual interaction such as masturbation or actual intercourse, is absolutely non-sexual. The admin's removal of it is completely unfounded. So for stuff like that, I am completely against them.

Thank you even more for that. The idea that nudity ≠ sex is one I tried desperately to get them to acknowledge. Nope. Every admin I asked said, 'I think that's porn, therefore it is'. Frustrating doesn't begin to cover it.
ScottySkunk
ScottySkunk
14 years, 4 months ago
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oh god.. that  is insane. They are just covering things up now
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 4 months ago
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As if they can. ;)
ScottySkunk
ScottySkunk
14 years, 4 months ago
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Thats not furry drama, thats a weather ballon!
Rhumba
Rhumba
14 years, 4 months ago
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Websites turn themselves inside out all the time.
tamino
tamino
14 years, 4 months ago
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My own personal form of protest for the past several months has been to check Inkbunny first, and if I see someone posting the same piece of art on both FA and IB, I view it on IB (thus incrementing the view count) and I let it pass on FA (not changing the view count). I figure it helps let people know that they *do* have just as much (if not more) of an audience on IB.
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 4 months ago
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<nods in approval> I've also stopped favoriting submissions there if they're also here.
Shokuji
Shokuji
14 years, 4 months ago
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I'm just not surprised anymore. I just keep on hearing about stuff like this over and over again. o.o;
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 3 months ago
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And yet, Dragoneer's said to me that "much of what you have written is seemingly beyond truth that it goes so far out there that it's honestly frustrating reading your posts." He honestly seems to not know why I'm so angry. I don't know if he just doesn't see how badly the admins can act sometimes, or if he makes excuses for them.

When someone is angry at the site, he seems to sail right past the idea that it could be for a legitimate reason, and conclude that they must just be trolling or lying or something. It's almost like when people will point out problems in our government, then someone will sneer "Why do you hate America so much!?" I don't think Dragoneer has any idea that I criticize FA so much because I wish it could be better. And I've told him this.
MaverickSkye
MaverickSkye
14 years, 4 months ago
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Y'know what. The whole thing is funny. Last night, I actually decided to inflate my folders because of FA. I added like...so much cub porn from the site. And I searched "Cub" "Loli" and "Shota" and got like, an obscene amount of stuff that's -still- there on the site. No,  no big names that dabbled in it have it there anymore in favor of moving themselves over here, or just got rid of it altogether. But they're obviously not doing their job if I can grab THAT much fap material this long after the ban.

Every fap, I would "ha" and then inwardly facepalm at the failure of selective administration that's on that site. It's acutally quite laughable. But in all truth, I'm gonna just let it be. Sadly, its a superpower of the furry community, and they won't do much to change, because it isn't like a democracy or a government or anything that can resemble the word 'fair.' It just is what it is, and the way they see it, either roll along with it, or get run over. All we can do now is appreciate whats good and stick 'round here, instead of dwelling on a past that is undoubtedly unsavory and leaves a rather nasty aftertaste in our mouths.

I guess the saddest part about all of this is how truly unsurprised I am about this situation. They've always been much less than fair, and obviously don't care about those 'under' them. Hell, we didn't elect them so why should they care about our opinions? That...is the truth of the site. And, although my activity on there is...less than attentive, I can still sit back, and notice the more refutable and disgusting parts of the way that they actually attempt to lead.
YukiAkuma
YukiAkuma
14 years, 3 months ago
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FA has a search feature?
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 3 months ago
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>But they're obviously not doing their job if I can grab THAT much fap material this long after the ban.

Yes, yes, YES. Dragoneer was especially pissed at me for saying that the cub ban was a massive lie, but this is exactly what I'm talking about. You can't call something a 'ban' if it's enforced so sporadically!

>All we can do now is appreciate whats good and stick 'round here, instead of dwelling on a past that is undoubtedly unsavory and leaves a rather nasty aftertaste in our mouths.

<nods> True.

>I guess the saddest part about all of this is how truly unsurprised I am about this situation.

I know the feeling. Watching something bad happen is somehow worse when it seemed inevitable for a long time, then turned out to happen just as expected. When you know there was a chance they could have steered away from it.
MaverickSkye
MaverickSkye
14 years, 3 months ago
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In all truth, I actually AM tempted to go around and just knock them on the heads and tell them to do their jobs. I mean, there's still more cub porn on there than there is on Cub Central (Of course, a blatant exaggeration), but my point still stands. When I can search and save for over an hour, there's a problem. When it would be SO easy for them to hit the search button -themselves- and find and tell them to take it down, or do it themselves WITHOUT having to warn/ban anyone. They don't follow the 'grandfathering' rule because of how they did you and others. So, if they're gonna do their job, it needs to be done right. I swear every time the aadmins make a move, they lose like, an infinite amount of respect from others around them.
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 3 months ago
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>there's still more cub porn on there than there is on Cub Central (Of course, a blatant exaggeration)

Actually... it might not be. Cub Central's a fairly small site and FA's huge. It might actually be pretty equal.

>So, if they're gonna do their job, it needs to be done right.

YES. Fuck yes. I tried to convey that to Dragoneer; he either didn't get it or refused to comment on it. I tried to ask him, "You banned cub porn so you could do business with a new money-handling service, right? What happens if you tell them you've banned underage character art and they come here and check for themselves?" He didn't answer.
MaverickSkye
MaverickSkye
14 years, 3 months ago
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The only real reason that I haven't said anything to them about the fact there is still cub porn on FA is because I haven't fulfilled my OWN agenda, which is to download whatever catches my eye. Again, I wont' even say for them to do something silly like ban them, but to actually be fair about it and go to each and every one of them and ask them to take them down. Any refusal afterwards is on them and they can do whatever the heck they want, it was their choice for refusing the rules as were present to them in a FAIR way.

But as usual, with only a quarter of the representation of the rules, they're setting themselves up to fail, and it's REALLY gutwrenchingly bad, too. A ban like that can't actually fit under the grandfatehring rule because they say they want it gone. Just...ugh, they're more inconsistent then some kind of metaphor or simile that I don't feel like thinking of at the moment because its so annoying.

Well, as my mom always taught me. What you do in the dark will show in the light. This is most likely going to be the case here. If whoever it was, I don't even remember anymore, wants FA not to have it, and they go back and double check. Neer is boned, plain and simple. And part of me is just waiting for it to happen. I feel sorry for any people caught in the crossfire, those who truly DO love the site with all of their hearts.
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 3 months ago
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>The only real reason that I haven't said anything to them about the fact there is still cub porn on FA is because I haven't fulfilled my OWN agenda, which is to download whatever catches my eye.

Perfectly understandable, sir! :)

>And part of me is just waiting for it to happen. I feel sorry for any people caught in the crossfire, those who truly DO love the site with all of their hearts.

Agreed also. I'd much prefer if FA could somehow manage to save itself, but if it can't do that, it should just freakin' fail completely. It's helping no one for it to just hang in limbo like this forever.
VarraTheVap
VarraTheVap
14 years, 3 months ago
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Now... GOD... is it so hard to understand that such rants are useless??

I compare that a huge lot with some of my classmates who try every time when there is a chance to do something against our teachers in  school or try to get on their nerves -.-
It's exactly the same principe... you don't like what they do and not accept that it has to be, for example giving homowork, etc... or in this case standing for their rules...

Really nothing against you, but to be honest, I'm tired to hear such stuff... just accept that the admins are over you...
And okey... if you are happy being without Fa, it's your thing... but don't try to convince others....
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 3 months ago
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>for example giving homowork, etc...

<giggle> Sorry.

>And okey... if you are happy being without Fa, it's your thing... but don't try to convince others....

No.

I have every right to talk about this. You're tired of hearing about it? I'm sorry, who are you? Disagree with me all you like, but forgive me if I ignore a complete stranger who's trying to tell me what I'm not allowed to say.
Alfador
Alfador
14 years, 3 months ago
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The name is AWFULLY close to "Dragoneer"...
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 3 months ago
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No. No no no. I'll give credit where credit is due: Dragoneer writes far more eloquently than this fella. For all his faults, Neer knows his punctuation and capitalization.
Alfador
Alfador
14 years, 3 months ago
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True... but nothing says it has to be Dragoneer himself or even someone he told to come here--he's got his army of fans who'll act all on their own, doing what they think is good for FA regardless of what's actually right. Or what Dragoneer actually wants.
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 3 months ago
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Right, right. Someone else said they think Neer's here under an assumed name, so I was already in that mindset.
VarraTheVap
VarraTheVap
14 years, 3 months ago
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great... another proof that it is pretty useless to talk about things here... -.-
Good bye Inkbunny....

Ehmm... and if someone thought that here is sarcastic, i'm not Dragoneer... >.>
EvilDog
EvilDog
14 years, 3 months ago
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you might want to update the link on this page to your inkbunny account
http://furrag.com/viewuser.php?action=seriesby&uid...
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 3 months ago
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...and changed!

That was a very helpful suggestion! Thank you! :)
Irfie
Irfie
14 years, 3 months ago
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Sometimes I think that in FA staff there is an InkBunny saboteur =)
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 3 months ago
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SPAH SAPPIN' MAH FURAFFINITY!!!

(Predictable, but I had to.)
Autumnringtail
Autumnringtail
14 years, 3 months ago
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really I don't get the joke but I get the concept I wonder eventually this'll become something like
InkBunny get your gun
IB "Anything you can do I can do better
FA "HA!"
IB "I can do anything better than you"
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AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 3 months ago
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Edited 14 years, 3 months ago by Owner
Alfador
Alfador
14 years, 3 months ago
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*browse* Oh hey, guess what finally surpassed "Forever Alone" as the most popular meme there... >:3
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 3 months ago
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DOES NOT SURPRISE. :)
Shuyo
Shuyo
14 years, 3 months ago
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Is it healthy for my eye to twitch like this?
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 3 months ago
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Probably not. <hands you some Visine>
DannySkunk
DannySkunk
14 years, 3 months ago
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Just a quick question.. did you post said banned pictures here on inkbunny? I want to see for myself, if, legitimately, an admin may have thought it that and wouldn't take no for an answer. if not, then I could live without.

I stand behind you, all the way. This kind of BS is what I feared, that's why I moved things here, just in case the ole' foot-in-the-door effect is applied to FA admins.
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 3 months ago
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I'm always in favor of people not taking things at face value and researching more to draw their own conclusions! Here they are. One is chipmunks and feet, the other has some pretty intense snuffie content, so be warned. I could see how maybe the second one might be thought of as cub, but I honestly didn't give a thought to age. I wasn't intending child proportions, just toony ones. Mickey's got the same head-to-body ratio, and no one thinks he's a cub.
DannySkunk
DannySkunk
14 years, 3 months ago
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I'm glad you're not mad at me for being accusative; you wouldn't believe the people out there that are like that... I've been spammed with hatemail for similarly minor things... you can just never know, with people with whom you've never associated.

Well, to draw conclusions, I think that, yes, the admins made a mistake. Though the characters may be small that doesn't make them young. Though, perhaps they didn't respond because they could be the kind of people who get an idea set in their head, and won't take no for an answer, but I think that, even with that, that's no excuse. You have my full support.
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 3 months ago
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>I'm glad you're not mad at me for being accusative; you wouldn't believe the people out there that are like that... I've been spammed with hatemail for similarly minor things... you can just never know, with people with whom you've never associated.

I know. But it's a deeply held belief of mine that I will never get angry at someone for asking a legitimate question. People who can't stand to be questioned are weak. If you can't back up your words, you shouldn't speak them. ;)

>Well, to draw conclusions, I think that, yes, the admins made a mistake. Though the characters may be small that doesn't make them young.

<nods> Thank you.

>Though, perhaps they didn't respond because they could be the kind of people who get an idea set in their head, and won't take no for an answer, but I think that, even with that, that's no excuse. You have my full support.

It's possible, but I really do believe that they do it because it's just easier to not say anything. "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." Or in this case, apathy.
PrysmTKitsune
PrysmTKitsune
14 years, 3 months ago
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much as i would love to say everyone should pack up and move here to ink bunny i think that would be a bad idea, cause for the moment ink bunny is relatively troll free..trolls are lazy, plenty of easy prey and mods that don't give a shit over on FA after all, and also the influx of new users would probably cause a catastrophic failure in ink bunnies servers. [its taken what, 5 separate server upgrades for FA to handle the load...granted each one came only when the site was at critical risk of failure...lazy cheap bastereds *grumble*] anyway...things are as they are, and ink bunny gives us a place where we can enjoy each-others company like FA used to be...i don't delude myself into believing IB will last forever in this state of youthfull bliss...eventually it will begin to decay however till it does, let us make the best of this beautiful place, this island of calm acceptance in the middle of the eternally roiling seas of the internet.
DannySkunk
DannySkunk
14 years, 3 months ago
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Well stated. I think that we could enjoy this virtual oasis as long as we can, before the pendulum swings back, if you know what I mean. FA, in this specific respect is kinda a sinking ship.
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 3 months ago
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Remember what I said in my questions thingy? I don't want everyone to move here. Just the people sensible enough to say, 'Hey, we'd like to be on a site that's not crawling with trolls, staffed by admins who won't treat us like livestock'. FA can absolutely keep everyone who thinks everything's just fine over there, plus all the haters and bullies and imbeciles.

If we're lucky, the spread of people from FA to IB will follow a gradual path, where more people are coming here at a slow enough rate that the site can grow to accommodate them. I kinda hope it stays a relatively small site forever. Places like DA and FA are too big for anyone to really moderate fairly.
darkhusky88
darkhusky88
14 years, 3 months ago
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I am not surprised by this. Neer is a jealous douche bag who only cares about his status in the fandom and he will cheat anyone out of it.
KintoMythostian
KintoMythostian
14 years, 3 months ago
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It's a shame it had to end this way.

I want to do something, but I'm not sure what or how best to go about it. I'll have to think about it. Preferably something that won't get me Dragoneered.
sigmaweapon
sigmaweapon
14 years, 3 months ago
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You know, I'm wondering if it's still technically possible to login to your FA account--perhaps not to submit anything, but to delete things. It maybe the best course would be simply to delete everythingfur on your FA account, all submissions and journals.

If you can't, perhaps that may be the one message Dragoneer may actually listed to, "I want everything on my FA account deleted. I want the account to be completely empty."
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 3 months ago
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>You know, I'm wondering if it's still technically possible to login to your FA account--perhaps not to submit anything, but to delete things. It maybe the best course would be simply to delete everythingfur on your FA account, all submissions and journals.

There's not only no way to do that, but why would I want to? That'd just be punishing all the people who left favs and comments on my stuff.

>If you can't, perhaps that may be the one message Dragoneer may actually listed to, "I want everything on my FA account deleted. I want the account to be completely empty."

I've thought about asking if he'd just straight up ban me instead of this 'suspension' BS.
sigmaweapon
sigmaweapon
14 years, 3 months ago
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" but why would I want to? That'd just be punishing all the people who left favs and comments on my stuff.


I thought that would just be the clearest message that you've abandoned furaffinity. I didn't actually think of that second part though.
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 3 months ago
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Gallery-deleting is a common practice among furs, but I know I always hate it when someone else does it, so I'd never wanna do that to my own fans.
polkakitty
polkakitty
14 years, 3 months ago
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" AlexReynard wrote:
I've thought about asking if he'd just straight up ban me instead of this 'suspension' BS.

I actually heard a rumor that everyone they would normally ban, they're now suspending for 10 years, because there's some recently introduced bug that prevents them from banning anyone.  I'm torn on whether I believe it, because my experience backs up the idea that their code could really be that dysfunctional, but it also backs up the idea that Dragoneer could really be that petty.  It's like a legendary clash of titans between Dragoneer's pettiness and Yak's cluelessness.
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 3 months ago
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It's happened to others? And here I was thinking I was somehow special... ;)
Humbug
Humbug
14 years, 3 months ago
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Is it bad that I laughed sadly and shook my head when I read this?

Also, why the hell not? I'll repost this. What's the worst that could happen? I get banned? If that happens, I'll just tell all my friends on FA about it and they can repost it too. Woohoo.
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 3 months ago
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>Is it bad that I laughed sadly and shook my head when I read this?

Nah. That was about my reaction too.

>Also, why the hell not? I'll repost this. What's the worst that could happen? I get banned? If that happens, I'll just tell all my friends on FA about it and they can repost it too. Woohoo.

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaay! I can't believe people are actually doing this! Throw me a link when you do. I wanna see my words on FA, and just bask in it. ^__^
Humbug
Humbug
14 years, 3 months ago
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https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/2484161/
There ya go. Been up for a while. :P
LadyFuzztail
LadyFuzztail
14 years, 3 months ago
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You must be doing something wrong, because my journal about my moving to IB is still up.
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 3 months ago
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No no no no, dear boy! That's not nearly enough! You have to report incidents in which the admins have acted like immature goblins and disregarded their own site's rules in order to punish you for imaginary infractions! ;)
LadyFuzztail
LadyFuzztail
14 years, 3 months ago
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Oh I did that, but it's off of FA. ;)
LandonFox
LandonFox
14 years, 3 months ago
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I figured it was only a matter of time until you got banned.  I guess I'll have to start watching this site on a regular basis then.
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 3 months ago
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You gotta admit, it's a pretty good reason to! ;)

INKBUNNY! NOW WITH 50% MORE ALEX REYNARD!
Hydrassas
Hydrassas
14 years, 3 months ago
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Could you please delete my replies to your journal? I feel that considering Dragoneer's courtesy of allowing you in to set your affairs in order that they are no longer relevant in the short run and that they are just going to perpetuate the problem later on if left.

Not to mention that I shouldn't have said any of this in the first place.
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 3 months ago
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You can delete them yourself if you choose. Frankly, I think you're worrying too much. Dragoneer might never see the journal, and even if he does there's no reason to think he'd single you out. He doesn't just ban people willy-nilly for speaking against him. I'd been antagonizing him for years before he booted me.
Hydrassas
Hydrassas
14 years, 3 months ago
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How do I delete them myself?
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 3 months ago
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There should be the word 'Delete' right beside your icon, under your username. If you don't see it, ask an admin.
Hydrassas
Hydrassas
14 years, 3 months ago
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No I'm afraid not, only the recipient or an admin can delete comments. It's in the IB wiki.
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 3 months ago
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Well, allright, I'll delete them. But I don't feel good about it. I believe that everyone should be responsible for their own words. If you don't want consequences to come from your words, don't say them. And if you do say them, accept the consequences.
Hydrassas
Hydrassas
14 years, 3 months ago
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Thanks mate, I do agree with you on that however circumstances did change and I should have thought more clearly before I said them in the first place.
AlexReynard
AlexReynard
14 years, 3 months ago
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Understood.
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