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TheGiantHamster

lol IB purged my 13 year old gallery

Because it's forbidden to use screenshots as backgrounds.
okay
*Not entirely, sketches are still there, but anything with a background got deleted. About half of the gallery, IDK.
And it was ANYTHING with a BG, including mine, because they can't tell the difference.
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FauxPika
4 months, 2 weeks ago
bro my entire gallery got banned save one thing. Even the submission I thought for sure was ok, apparently wasn't because I can't even use random common net images for thumbnails. To which I'm like, ok, that's fine but, what about everyone's avatar then? How far are we going to go with these rules?
VioletEchoes
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Do you mean some of your art?
Because there is nearly 700 pictures in your gallery from what I can see.
TheGiantHamster
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Yeah, they deleted everything with a background.
Ligmando
4 months, 2 weeks ago
That's IB's arbitrary ass mod team for you. Rules don't exist until you piss them off.
WizardsTariff
4 months, 2 weeks ago
WHAT THE FUCK come on free TGH it was fair use!
Silenus
4 months, 2 weeks ago
what? So, they're okay with people generating images and not drawing anything at all, but using screenshots as backgrounds is not allowed?

This is some kind of theater of the absurd.
Vixel
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Wow. Having rule 34 art that felt like it belonged with the source material was kind of the point. I hope they update the rule and restore your art.
TheGiantHamster
4 months, 2 weeks ago
I don't know if I care, honestly.
I guess it's only ai slop for IB users now.

Hey guys who's doing the same, the trick is not saying it out loud, like I did in my previous journal.
baphomett
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Holy fucking shit. Time to gtfo of here.

Mods got their feelings hurt that their stolen AI bullshit is universally hated, so they take it out on someone actually trying? That's a power trip if I've ever saw one.
PreyishOmega
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Oh geez, please tell me there is any other websites that have your art (and less mods having their feewings hurt)
TheGiantHamster
4 months, 2 weeks ago
It's probably e621 only. I don't know how many of my drawings are there, they were mostly uploaded there by other people, not me.
Nadhari
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Don't think e621 is a safe haven, they've wiped out entire users who didn't agree with their politics, adding their names to a 'do not submit art' list against their will and more.
TheGiantHamster
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Nowhere is safe haven, everything is fucked up simply everywhere is some way.
Don't worry all my galleries have been safely fed to the ai slop machine a long time ago. :)
AlyssaKamber
4 months, 2 weeks ago
What ARE e621's politics? I've seen very little politically-themed artwork on there, ever, except (in the past) a certain former(?) IB artist's political-trolling-disguised-as-adorable-cuteness works. But maybe I'm not looking for it...
Nadhari
4 months, 2 weeks ago
It's been a year or two, but someone was harassing another artist. The artist being harassed made reports, mods ignored it. The harassed artist called them and and one of the mods went on a full blown power trip (Apparently the harasser was a friend of the mod in question, so was essentially given immunity.) Their entire listing was nuked into oblivion and they were added to the 'do not upload' list without their consent. aka if anyone uploaded a image from them it would be taken down asap.
AlyssaKamber
4 months, 2 weeks ago
ny idea what images(s) sparked said harassmnt? Some people absolutely see red over some insignificant stuff.
Athari
4 months, 1 week ago
There're various backups of e621: full dumps (RomeSilvanus etc.), clones (onion something), artist-specific dumps on exhentai/e-hentai etc (for TGH, https://e-hentai.org/g/2093679/ee70d91f55/ for example).

e621 is relatively safe, at least for artists producing high-quality art, but there's a non-zero risk of cub porn purge. Already happened with humans.
Shadowhamham
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Damn thar really sucks. What the heck is wrong with IB?
Balmung
4 months, 2 weeks ago
You walked right into that one, mate.

You know how they say "never break two laws at once"? If you're driving around with drugs in your car, make sure to obey all the traffic rules because getting stopped by a cop will lead to them finding out. That sort of thing.

So you attracted the attention of the admins by having complaints filed against you, and that made them notice you were actually committing copyright infringement. Yes, my friend, ripping backgrounds from Disney movies to draw porn commissions on them is actually illegal. Not even a slightly fuzzy area. Now I'm not going to be outraged you did it, but IB could get in trouble for allowing it, so if they know it's happening they'll have to stop it.
TheGiantHamster
4 months, 2 weeks ago
You're making it sound like I was harassing poor artificial content generators by stalking them.
Just a couple of messages about a month or two apart. One under my own work.
Let's not pretend it wasn't obvious to anyone that those backgrounds were screenshots. I kind of got used doing that after 13 years you know. But I have always reminded people that they aren't mine whenever I got praised for good backgrounds. Never tried to hide it.


Guys, whoever draws their backgrounds on your own I think it's so cool. It is just too difficult for me and not a priority.
Balmung
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Yeah, and apparently the two times were enough to bring some attention. Speeding once at the wrong time is enough to be stopped by a cop.

I don't care you were using the backgrounds, yes, it's fairly common knowledge and I don't think any harm is caused by doing so. But it is illegal, and IB will want to cover their asses just in case because they're just a small team running an already iffy site on a shoestring budget. The moment they found out they had to put a lid on it for their own safety.
TakiHopper
4 months, 2 weeks ago
What are you even on about...

"Yes, my friend, ripping backgrounds from Disney movies to draw porn commissions on them is actually illegal"

and then what you do you draw copyright Disney characters to make porn.

If you wanna talk about legality of this case it's what is called (double standards)

"copyright background not ok" / "copyright characters ok"

" Balmung wrote:
Yeah, and apparently the two times were enough to bring some attention. Speeding once at the wrong time is enough to be stopped by a cop.

I don't care you were using the backgrounds, yes, it's fairly common knowledge and I don't think any harm is caused by doing so. But it is illegal, and IB will want to cover their asses just in case because they're just a small team running an already iffy site on a shoestring budget. The moment they found out they had to put a lid on it for their own safety.
Balmung
4 months, 2 weeks ago
I agree, both are illegal.

But why do you think I want to draw Disney porn? I don't, besides not really drawing anything anyway.

NekoStar
4 months, 2 weeks ago
The only way I can get behind what happened with TGH is if the rules that got his works removed applied to everyone on the site.

If "creating an image (in this case drawing) using another person/entity's work as a base without their permission" is against the rules of this website though, then all generative AI images should be removed from this site, with a rule preventing any new ones from being uploaded. They also create (and I use that term loosely) images using another person/entity's works without their permission.

Now I personally don't like to take TGH's works that include a background and compare them to AI slop, but if we're using broad strokes to discuss 'legality,' then one could conflate the two.

So, if AI is banned from IB, then I will agree with what happened to TGH's works that got removed. If AI is not banned from IB, then it's cherry-picking and possibly a personal issue a mod(s) had with him. Simple as.
Telain
4 months, 2 weeks ago
While I don't personally agree with AI being allowed, the backgrounds are not using someone else's work as a base, as you're equating it to AI training, they are wholesale taking images from copywritten works and adding them to the image. As for 'cherry-picking' TGH directly said most of their backgrounds are screencaps.
NekoStar
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Sure, but taking copyrighted artist's work and putting them into AI programs for them to use in their finished product is virtually the same, no?

Even if it's not as obvious (sometimes,) these programs can not do what they do without first taking art from humans who own the copyright to their art, usually without the artist's permission. :/
Keen eyes can even see certain artist's influence on some generated images on occasion, and that's when they don't blatantly instruct it to make images in a certain artist's style.

I get what you're saying, I do, for me I guess it's just a "All or none" situation. I'm glad we're at least on the same page of not wanting AI here on the site at all. I just love human-made artwork too dang much. :)
ZekLullaby
4 months, 2 weeks ago
I'll throw my 2 cents here. A screenshot of a movie makes a tiny fraction of it's whole copyrighted material, probably less than 1% depending on the source material. Using it as a background could be considered transformative, it's definitely drastically changing the meaning and doesn't directly compite with the source material.

I'm not a legal expert but this is the same grey area that allows every single fanart to exist. To a jury it will only be an additional factor to consider when determining an infringement or fair use. In any case it's extremely unlikely a copyright owner will persecute a screenshot.
Telain
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Perhaps, but we also specifically disallow it.
Kalli9920
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Oh my gosh... this is... absolutely unfair and incredibly painful. If you knew earlier, you could've saved it. I am so sorry all this happens, i can't imagine what it feels like to lose everything you created. I already thought about some new rule like "using backgrounds from original movies is forbidden" like you did for lion king pics as example. But this is way worse.
So how do you continue? E6 and FA are nearly impossible because "cub" is forbidden. Well we're cornered. Maybe a huge ZIP file on CloudDrive
BinxLink
4 months, 2 weeks ago
I didnt know about this policy since when is using screenshots prohibited is it something to do with possibility of copyright material in background
Rakuen
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Using others work as backgrounds is prohibited under the derivative works rule unless they gave permission.

" Posting submissions that contain portions of other artists' work (such as using them for backgrounds or other components) is allowed only if you have received their permission to do so.


But using screenshots directly from films is prohibited under media clips (until recently, the sentence was in the screenshots section).

" No frames or segments (or portions thereof) from movies, animations, TV shows, etc that you don't own the copyright to.
HaruTotetsu
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Hey Rakuen, could you explain why
" Posting submissions that contain portions of other artists' work (such as using them for backgrounds or other components) is allowed only if you have received their permission to do so.

doesn't apply to AI since by its very nature it contains portions of other artists' work without their permission?
Rakuen
4 months, 2 weeks ago
The models used to generate the images were trained on other people's images but the AI-generated images do not contain portions of anyone's art in them. What you have at the end is a very complex statistical model of how phrases and pixels and colours and whatever else are related to one another.

The idea that AI models or AI-generated images contain other people's art in them is just false. I gave a rough description of how they work about two years ago on Flayrah (https://www.flayrah.com/8868/ai-art-part-1-how-it-works) which includes a (much simpler) model of protein sequences. In that case, the example is simple enough that you can read the entire model and the sequences it models to see that they do not exist inside the model at all.
KammyKay
4 months, 2 weeks ago
" The models used to generate the images were trained on other people's images
And this is exactly why AI-generated images should not be allowed on an art site. Everything else you said is irrelevant.
Rakuen
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Every human artist on this site has also seen other people's images and often use them as part of their own skill growth. Maybe tracing, maybe studying techniques they need to work on, maybe to see poses. Human artists are training on other human artists' images all the time. Every fan image of Zootopia or The Lion King or My Little Pony or Pokemon is made by people who have looked at other people's images, at copyrighted images and took the concepts and ideas from those images.
KammyKay
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Damn you're so right. A real person putting in actual time and effort is totally the same as a machine creating a statistical model. A real person exercising years of practice is totally the same as someone who spent 5 minutes prompting a model.
Gelemar
4 months, 2 weeks ago
The fact you guys equate a machine scraping someone's art and regurgitating it alongside other people's stuff as the same as someone seeing another person's art and getting inspired, creating a brand new piece with their own pencil and paper, is one of the most ass-backwards things I have ever heard wtf
Emenius
4 months, 2 weeks ago
I agree 100%. Just because someone generated simulated child pornography from real images, doesn't mean the final result is CP itself.

You see, Your Honor, the models used to generate the child porn images were trained on other people's images but the AI-generated images do not contain portions of the photographs in them. What you have at the end is a very complex statistical model of how phrases and pixels and colors and whatever else are related to one another.

And you can see every government has backed me up on this and have made absolutely no laws prohibiting this type of AI learning/generating :^)
HaruTotetsu
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Okay regardless of your view what about the legality of nations? If a nation deems it as having stolen the work of others aren't you then legally obligated take some sort of action in respect to those nations? For example, the site Getty Images won a lawsuit against Stability AI, for illegally using its images and breaching its copyright, so if this became a national law on any level what would InkBunny's stance be? Say if Germany declares it illegal would you just make InkBunny inaccessible to the people of Germany, maybe make it so there's a version of InkBunny for the German people without AI, ban AI from InkBunny or would you proclaim InkBunny and yourselves above the laws of individual nations? After all it only takes one lawsuit to set the ball rolling and that's already happened multiple times, in multiple countries.
Rakuen
4 months, 2 weeks ago
That's a question where the answer should be immediately obvious. Much of what is on Inkbunny is already illegal in certain countries yet we allow it. For example, promotion of homosexuality is illegal in Russia. We don't ban gay content because Russia is against it. Porn itself is illegal in many countries in Africa, the Middle East and Asia.
HaruTotetsu
4 months, 2 weeks ago
One of the reasons I asked and used Germany as an example is because the countries you mention aren't somewhere that InkBunny's servers could be located because you would face legal consequences because the servers couldn't be located there, but in a country like Germany, the UK or USA, you would face legal consequences. I believe someone on staff is from the UK, so if the laws changed in a way that could directly lead to legal consequences for InkBunny would you alter your stance then or not?
Tikkity
4 months, 2 weeks ago
I'm sure you're having a great time trying to lure IB/staff into this legal gotcha moment, but let's face it, they're operating a grey area as is in regard to some (most?) countries' laws. All they're doing most of the time is ensuring they minimize the risk to the website. And I'm sure you're rock hard at the possibility of all AI models being universally and legally deemed copyright infringement - but that's not what happened yet. So mentioning a few specific cases against OpenAI / StabilityAI really isn't the win you want it to be.
HaruTotetsu
4 months, 2 weeks ago
I'm...just asking questions. Sorry how my autism shows offends you so much.
KammyKay
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Any plan to prohibit AI LoRAs that were obviously trained on “frames or segments (or portions thereof) from movies, animations, TV shows, etc that you don't own the copyright to,” for example in this pic you faved recently?
Udbebu
4 months, 2 weeks ago
0_о
TanukiLad
4 months, 2 weeks ago
My experience is a lot of furries are nerdy with advanced forms of autism so they get particular about random things no one else cares about. Maybe go repost it on Twitter or Bluesky? Otherwise you'll be arguing with someone about the number of toenails a character has and how that's not really allowed in multiples of 4.
FlyingFox
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Obvious powertripping. We becoming the new FA I guess.
CPCTail
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Funny you say that.  Wanting a certain thing completely banned off the site because some users don't like it was an FA thing to.  Or did we all forget why inkbunny became a thing.
FlyingFox
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Vastly different. One is banning certain art depictions and the other wants computer generated pictures banned. Using an AI to make a picture does not make you an artists. I enjoy some AI pictures in moderation but lets not kid ourself. It's slop and should honestly not be on an art site. And bullying actual artists for their view on that is way out of line.
CPCTail
4 months, 2 weeks ago
As an artist who both draws and use ai, I have to disagree.  But hey, I'm not here to change minds.
Highsociety
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Fuck green reaper :)
Highsociety
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Remember, green reaper lets known convicted sex offenders use this site with no issues, but will ban you for using a shitty background.

Greenreaper is, will always be, and forever was a complete donkey faced shithead.
AlyssaKamber
4 months, 2 weeks ago
That aspect horrifies me. I've personally only encountered one, but that's one still-allowed InkBunny artist who has talked openly about grooming kids. Fuck that noise, give 'em the unceremonious boot.
jiggywitbruh
4 months, 2 weeks ago
that feeling when you want to make a joke about the utter stupidity of a situation but you know it's going anger people that will ban you for it.

Do you need help recovering anything that was lost?
TheGiantHamster
4 months, 2 weeks ago
No thanks, I don't really care. I've got my archives with all my drawings, for me nothing is lost.
How it works is, the pictures are still here in the gallery. I can see them, they are simply blocked for anyone else.
jiggywitbruh
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Well clearly you just need to say they are ai backgrounds and all will be good.  Sorry I couldn't resist :D
Hailberry
4 months, 2 weeks ago
So screenshot backgrounds aren't ok, but AI is fine??? WTF
TheGiantHamster
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Yes, I have been pretty much disappointed with the current reality of IB.
I don't know when the rule changed, I had no idea movie backgrounds are prohibited. Maybe they always were and it has been ignored for 13 years.
Rakuen
4 months, 2 weeks ago
The rule didn't change. It is currently prohibited under the section "Media Clips."

" No frames or segments (or portions thereof) from movies, animations, TV shows, etc that you don't own the copyright to.


But before that, it was prohibited under the previous "Screenshots" policy.

Rule enforcement was never perfect as there was insufficient staff and submissions are not manually screened. Sometimes moderators find issues on their own but usually action was only taken when something was reported. There are now more staff members so issues are addressed much faster. And when one issue comes up, moderators usually check on users involved and sometimes find more issues.

spaceman1088
4 months, 2 weeks ago
I see you're running damage control, lmao.
rooshoes
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Yeah, I don't buy your weak PR run that inkbunny mods just Didn't Have Time to look at TGH's gallery for 13 years.  This was targeted.
Oddotts
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Shutup mod, you’re unwelcome here.
Marikit
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Stealing is okay provided you do it in the way they personally approve of.
VarraTheVap
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Your backgrounds were ripped from movies?! And then you complain about AI artists? LOL
Best if you block me too before I get tempted to end up in trouble with what I say as well...
TheGiantHamster
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Artificial content generators are not artists.

Yep exactly, imagine all those paintings drawn by actual humans, disgusting, right?
VarraTheVap
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Not the generators themselves of course, but the people who use creative prompts, are, yes.

Finally, you really wanna jeaoperdize your stand here (the one big site that allows the self drawn part of your cub art) entirely by dying on this hill? :( It'd be sad...
Having an opinion is fine, but just keep it to yourself when its only effect is to be belittling other people in our community please.

EDIT: No idea what you mean by your second sentence.
TheGiantHamster
4 months, 2 weeks ago
What I'm not going to do is to bow to ai crap.
VarraTheVap
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Then good luck on your future adventures...
Tikkity
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Cool, viva la résistance and all that but maybe don't do it by harassing other users on this site. Just because you're an artist doesn't make you exempt from rules. AI directors need to follow the rules, so do artists and so does every other user on this website. And if you can't do that, then maybe this isn't the place for you.
beforethefall
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Astonishing how people are so desperate to claim the "artist" title that they'll equate scribbling 40 gooner-ass keywords into a text box like they're writing some poorly organized kink checklist to the literal thousands of hours real artists spend honing their craft and the hours it can take to render a real picture.

People defending ai as art don't deserve your interaction.
denjar
4 months, 2 weeks ago
The problem with artificial intelligence is that it is increasingly being used by those who don't have their own...
beforethefall
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Oh I agree, the offloading of critical thinking onto machines that don't think at all is deeply worrisome for society as a whole
Gelemar
4 months, 2 weeks ago
That is such a perfect sentence
Tikkity
4 months, 2 weeks ago
I've seen exactly zero of the AI people on here claim they are this exquisite artist, but people in the comment section here are convinced that they're out here to claim the 'title' of artist or doing it out jealousy or trying to intentionally destroy artists. Instead what most of them seem to be doing, which is make some easy porn of the characters and kinks they enjoy and share it. Clearly thousands of users on here seem to enjoy that content too (in addition to regular art). This foaming at the mouth, rabid, anti-AI attitude has slowly but surely just turned into sad gatekeeping by people unwilling to accept the reality that this is the new normal.
beforethefall
4 months, 2 weeks ago
" Tikkity wrote:
I've seen exactly zero of the AI people on here claim they are this exquisite artist,


Funny, I've seen several in journals just like this over the past year or so. People trying to claim the 'Artistry' is their prompting and inpainting and that makes them artists the same as the people who pick up a pencil/stylus and create things. But hey, it's a big world and you might have missed those journals or those comments in them.

It's a big enough world in fact for AI to have its own spaces and compete on a fair playing ground. I'd rather not see new artists and creators discouraged because it takes hours for them to produce real, heartfelt art only for it to get overwhelmed by fifty middling-quality, thoughtless "images" that get generated in a few minutes by people who spam a list of kinks into a prompt and try to say "it's all the same bro, this is just the future".

I can't force IB to do anything, nobody can - and honestly if we're looking at it, the more pressure the community applies against something, the more the IB administration doubles down on the controversy; that's why artists and writers have been fleeing this place for the last few years.

I'm not going to compromise on my ideals. Art spaces are for artists, and AI is not art. And I'm not even a "rabid anti-AI" person; I actually use image generators extensively to workshop character designs and aesthetics in my personal life. But I draw the line at calling it art or equating it in any way to the countless hours of dedication every real artist devotes to their craft.
JaredTheBunnyBoy
4 months, 2 weeks ago
What about Baraag?
FurCollector
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Baraag seems to be elitist AF and only allows artists and creators, leaving fans who may want to follow you, outdoors. So if one pretends to get feedback there, better for them to have a looot of friends who are also creators and can join the site as well.
I-I don't know, I speak from almost sheer ignorance, I've seen very little of the site, but that's the impression I got...

Also registration seems to have been closed for a good while by now; I tried to make an account there and I was instantly 'banned' for failing to fill a field in the registration. I tried again and the option doesn't appears anymore, having apparently locked my IP and leaving me out. Still looking for some assistance with that 💀
ClarkRedheart
4 months, 2 weeks ago
The artists only lockdown is mainly because they've been getting overwhelmed with join request for a while now. You can still view and follow Baraag from other instances tho.
TricksieTrix
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Unless your instance has Baraag blacklisted.
SteamyPupper
4 months, 2 weeks ago
I hope we can find a site that doesn't feel like killing half its artists and replacing them with AI slop
Komitadjie
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Sounds about usual for the moderation around here, or on FA, unfortunately.  I haven't really run into a good furry site that *doesn't* eventually degrade into a mod team like this.
DanielBunny
4 months, 2 weeks ago
There are so many complex issues here I'm still processing, but I want to highlight a key difference. In this instance, the IB staff hid images that violated policy. FA on the other hand, barely had a coherent policy on cub at all, selectively enforced it, and actively promoted doxxing, blackmail, death threats, rape threats, and punished the victims when they spoke out about it. I understand the disagreements with IB staff on some of these issues, but these are still very different situations.
RufusTheRat
4 months, 2 weeks ago
That's genuinely embarrassing and stupid for the IB team to do. :(
zhyroth
4 months, 2 weeks ago
i do not think that talking out about this right on the website helps you either.. it is like you have put the the spotlight on you, whining never been the solution, complaining about what happen wont fix it either
beforethefall
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Inkbunny mods are stacking L takes. Sorry you're getting the shitty end of the stick dude. :( Where else can we follow you?

Kammy's site can't come fast enough at this rate. I hate that I'll have to rebuild my followership but I'm really considering abandoning IB now too. The sheer deference to AI over real artists and artistry is so frustrating
TheGiantHamster
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Mostly nowhere. I have barely been posting past year.
beforethefall
4 months, 2 weeks ago
So sorry bud. I've always loved your art, you are insanely talented and I hope you find a new home soon. You know being an early adopter of KammyKay's site would be really helpful to draw attention to that site with your sort of follower count and talent. It's not even in beta yet but just a thought.
Neos8
4 months, 2 weeks ago
I hope you do cause I wanna commission you again
Custos
4 months, 2 weeks ago
This is a rather disturbing development.
Guess they're taking a page out of the American politics book?
Tikkity
4 months, 2 weeks ago
For what, enforcing rules that have been in place since the start of the website? Yes, how very dare they!?
Custos
4 months, 2 weeks ago
A person was soliciting actual child porn to me in DMs a while ago, and the moderators said there was nothing illegal going on when I reported it to them. And I had to make a public journal before they even responded. But laying down the law on some artist with a critical voice seems more of a priority to them.
Tikkity
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Custos
Custos
. Nice instantly blocking me after a reply you don't agree with, but alright. This seems like an entirely different issue and also vastly different from my own experience - where any hint at anything CP related that I reported was instant high-alert and taken care of within minutes after reporting. This also seems like a false comparison between what's happening here, and frankly sounds like bullshit.
Custos
4 months, 2 weeks ago
I blocked you immediately, then undid it because I wanted to give you opportunity to respond. But there seems to be a delay in unbanning someone. Regardless.

I have proof black on white still stored. I actually considered sending it to any authority based in Inkbunny's jurisdiction after the disappointing response from the mods back then. What you think of this being a false comparison or not, and whether it is bullshit, is irrelevant. The mods seem to have their priorities, and I illustrated this by giving you a real example. I have nothing to prove to you.
EthanSeville
4 months, 2 weeks ago
WTF :/
TakiHopper
4 months, 2 weeks ago
This is just double standards
Atrolux
4 months, 2 weeks ago
screenshots of nature or environments as bg's are fine imo as long as it's not part of comms or something even then it's kinda whatever. but what about AI? they seem to be fine with slop theft, seems only fair to allow screenshot as bgs as you say.
Telain
4 months, 2 weeks ago
At the moment, copyright doesn't apply to AI images (at least so far as I'm aware), whereas it does apply to screengrabs from films. While we generally assume users are using images as backgrounds with permission, it's obvious Disney would not give permission.
FurCollector
4 months, 2 weeks ago
I'd like to know what GameFreak/Nintendo would have to say about your fursona/avatar and the countless images you've purchased involving their designs/concepts~😂
Nothing personal actually, just saying...😏
Telain
4 months, 2 weeks ago
I have no doubt they dislike it, though I at least have some chance of a successful fair use argument, unlike using their actual media.
HaruTotetsu
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Could you please explain why "fair use" applies to your icon but can't be applied to a background from a single scene in a Disney movie, which would make it technically fall under a 1% of category of their films which from my understanding, would usually qualify something as fair use.
Telain
4 months, 2 weeks ago
My icon is fan-art done using the concept of an eevee. Backgrounds taken from media are the studio's original work and also specifically covered by our Derivative Works and Media Clips (previously Screenshots) policies.
HaruTotetsu
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Ah so its InkBunnys' personal stance then, not based specifically on legality. Got you.

But then why isn't AI having this applied considering cases such as Getty Images, suing Stability AI and the court agreed that they broke copyright law the only reason they weren't punished in the UK for it was down to technicalities which forced Getty Images to alter aspects of its lawsuit and then won. The same thing happened with GEMA, who filed a copyright lawsuit against the OpenAI in Germany and GEMA won. So in both cases anything made by Stability AI or OpenAI's products would technically violate copyright laws. At the very least shouldn't you ban their products due to these legal cases going against them?
Telain
4 months, 2 weeks ago
I am no legal expert or familiar with European laws. I'll have to defer to
GreenReaper
GreenReaper
on anything like that.

Although, do either of those make publicly available models you can download and use locally, like what you'd find on CivitAI? Because we already don't allow proprietary models.
HaruTotetsu
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Fair enough. I'm just trying to make sure I (and other) understand the legal agreement we have with InkBunny via the ToS, and all its applied documents as certain actions and inactions users have mentioned has me concerned about the ethical following of said legal agreement. So if GreenReaper could respond or post a public journal about it, that would be helpful.

OpenAI made ChatGPT that's publicly available for one, and Stability AI made Stable Diffusions which I believe both have publicly available models. Also its worth noting that all forms of AI have AI Training Data Sets that they have sold to one another meaning that all forms of AI technology may be trained on the illegally trained material, and its just that courts and governments (and the companies whose copyright has been violated) are playing catchup with the AI technology. So it might be worth having InkBunny contact AI companies and ask what data sets they've trained their programs on and seeing where those data sets originate, if its deemed worth looking into more.
Gelemar
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Yes StabilityAI/Stable Diffusion has free publicly available generators/models as long as you have a computer that can render the images. So by their own terms you could share these images that violate copyright law.
GreenReaper
4 months, 1 week ago
" But then why isn't AI having this applied considering cases such as Getty Images, suing Stability AI and the court agreed that they broke copyright law the only reason they weren't punished in the UK for it was down to technicalities which forced Getty Images to alter aspects of its lawsuit and then won. [...] So in both cases anything made by Stability AI or OpenAI's products would technically violate copyright laws.
This appears to be a misstatement of the case, which Getty largely lost - yes, they won on one claim, but "reproduction of trademarked watermarks" is largely irrelevant for our purposes. As I understand the case there is an argument that the initial copying prior to training could have been illegal if done in the UK, but the actual model itself is not;
" [...]is an AI model which derives or results from a training process involving the exposure of model weights to infringing copies itself an infringing copy? In my judgment, it is not. [...] the Model itself does not store any of those Copyright Works; the model weights are not themselves an infringing copy and they do not store an infringing copy. They are purely the product of the patterns and features which they have learnt over time during the training process. Getty Images’ central submission that “as soon as it is made, the AI model is an infringing copy” is, accordingly, in my judgment, entirely misconceived. (p. 161)
So the model itself is not and does not contain an infringing copy and so [my interpretation; Getty claimed the model was the copy, but the argument works the same way] it can't create such copies; it may create work which infringes trade/servicemarks, but so too can any manual process (or, say, 3D rendering). The fact that copies were made during training does not render the model itself illegal, or its outputs, any more than the work of an artist who brings up some references next to a piece being drawn.

Probably the closest argument here is that it might create an Eevee lookalike which competes with the market for real Eevees, say. Which is something you don't need AI to get in trouble for. (Bear in mind IB forbids promotion of ai_generated monetization.)
" In summary, although Getty Images succeed (in part) in their Trade Mark Infringement Claim, my findings are both historic and extremely limited in scope. The Secondary Infringement Claim fails. (p. 199)
" The same thing happened with GEMA, who filed a copyright lawsuit against the OpenAI in Germany and GEMA won.
Regarding Germany, yep, it seems they decided differently, albeit that this was on the [exact?] reproduction of song lyrics, as I understand the case. We have no servers there, or other presence that I am aware of. It'll be interesting to see how that works itself out (really, they should probably have referred the case to the CJEU as the parties desired).
HaruTotetsu
4 months, 1 week ago
So from what I understand, we're still basically in the "see what happens" stage...I'd say more but I feel like I'm being a bother to TheGiantHamster at this point.
CriticalPanda
4 months, 2 weeks ago
You’re worried about screengrabs being copywritten… when AI generations are stealing artwork from other places. You guys clearly haven’t realized what you’ve allowed on this website. The hypocrisy. The audacity.
AlleyDraws
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Ai slop steals everybody's work - thats fine.
Background - illegal.

K
TheSuperProfessor
4 months, 2 weeks ago
You need to file some sort of complaint.
TheGiantHamster
4 months, 2 weeks ago
It doesn't matter to me so much. Too lazy for that.
All the more so when it turned out movie backgrounds have been forbidden here since always.
TheSuperProfessor
4 months, 2 weeks ago
But it's still YOUR artwork. Years of dedication craft and talent gone as a result of the staff's incompetence. That should be answered for.
Killjoy
4 months, 2 weeks ago
You made the mistake of getting noticed, the only time rules get enforced on sites is if you annoy the MOD team or some whiner starts reporting you.
FurCollector
4 months, 2 weeks ago
This, this, and more THIS.

That's how I got all my gallery wiped from sight and my posting "privileges" revoked.
I drew freely for around 10 years or more and nobody gave a shit about who I porned, but as soon as somebody -probably some cuck who was butthurt because I fucked their furry waifu- whined about it, BAM! Entire gallery locked-hidden instead of just asking me to remove THE reported submission, independently if the other parties gave a shit or not about my drawings of them, which wasn't the case lol. Powertripping...? Where...?
Worst of all is, EVERY-FUCKING-BODY does the same, but nobody else gets the same treatment, no, not even by chance; seems like a "Eyes that do not see, Heart that do not feel" case for them.
Killjoy
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Ages ago I got a warning for some thing I posted so I started looking through the site and and writing down links, then responded to the warning with a dozen examples of other people posting the same thing; got told those weren't violations. Oddly, now that I scroll through my PMs I can't find that warning PM now.
Telain
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Since you want to publicly call it out as if it was unfair: Your gallery was hidden because you showed a consistent lack of following the Ownership policy. You had a pool dedicated to images of OCs being fucked with questionable permission status. Many of which were friends-only so they'd only be discovered if one of the people you had chosen to share them with called you out.

The ask was quite simple. Remove those OCs you had no permission to draw and state that you had permission for what remained.
FurCollector
4 months, 2 weeks ago
As mentioned, something that EVERYBODY in this damn fandom does soon or later, cuz that's how R34 globally works when artists become popular, and literally nobody can stop it from happening. If you were true on what you're saying, this page wouldn't have hundreds, if not thousands of NSFW images involving the characters of popular SFW creators, made without their permission. From what your bunch said in the PM they sent to me, the issue was a "Copyright infringement", which to me wasn't the case cuz I never claimed the characters of others to be mine and I always clarified that they belonged to another owner, not to mention that NSFW usually counts as parodies, giving a little more freedom. The other issue was supposed to be "me bragging about what I was doing", reinforcing my theory of somebody reporting me for mere butthurt; does this mean that if I kept it quiet, I wouldn't have been affected? Seems like it is the case for all these others "violating" this senseless rule :P

Next, this was an old case happening at the beginning of the year, and the first time I mention it openly in public, just because the user above me mentioned something very related and I felt like sharing what I considered as an hypocritical abuse of power. I never opened my own journal about it because I knew it was a lose-lose situation for me so I didn't bothered. And just to make it clear yeah, the solution is easy... for somebody in a position of power and with creations taken from a massively popular franchise; Yeah, nothing to worry about when your gallery is backed up by some product of renown. Me? I would have had to delete a big part of my gallery. I preferred the emotion of taking this risk and enjoy it while it lasted instead of leeching something popular without any risk. That's why I didn't bothered to answer to the PM sent many months ago or do nothing. I knew my gallery wasn't going to be unlocked because I couldn't erase what I made, preferring to keep it hidden instead and preserve my nice memories.

And at last, I do find hilarious how you mods are quick on washing your hands when you're exposed about your bad acting, double standards, or flaws, immediately going to dig and find even the last little skeleton inside the other part's closet...
Wasn't even going to mention that GameFreak thing again because as said, nothing personal, but now I'm curious if every single artist that sold you commissions would be wiped as well because you know...
"..."Fan art" of commercial copyright characters is allowed in free uploads, provided you do not sell the work on Inkbunny and you indicate who owns the characters..."

That's all the vent I had waiting for release. Too bad you had to include yourself as part of it in the end.
Telain
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Reviewing the notice you received, nowhere is copyright mentioned. It was an inquiry into your adherence to the Ownership rule. Yes, we explicitly make exception for commercial characters and assume users are acting in good faith, so we wouldn't have noticed something made without consent until it's reported.

Commissions are paying for the artist's work, not selling prints or the like of copywritten characters.
McFan
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Hello IB mods.
Punishing someone you have a gripe with with something absolutely unrelated to the issue is extremely childish and powertrippy.
That's how you build yourself a terrible image. Sad to see this website that used to be my favorite go down more and more every day.
GarryMouse
4 months, 2 weeks ago
(TL;DR at the bottom)

One of them attacked me recently. And it was completely random too. I made a joke stating, "They must be from Texas, U.K and Australia". Because those locations started banning porn first. His reply was "we are from those locations, so you got all three". Out of all the people in that journal who was mercilessly trashing on them, bro came after the one person who made a joke. XD

I even called him out on it. "Out of everyone here who is trashing you guys, you replied to mine. You funny for that." Told him it was a joke then explained why I said it to de-escalate the situation. Dude doubled down, ignored my statement then tried to flex or something. "I'm over here replying to all these comments and doing a bunch of work that I don't get paid for." Huh? What does that have to do with what I said or the joke? XD

How he replied got me curious, so I looked him up and to be honest, he isn't THAT bad. Like yeah, he had some L takes in the past but as a mod myself on a different platform, the mods here are kittens and puppies, tamed as FUCK compared to this one dude who is worse than Reddit, that I have to work with and unfortunately, we can't get rid of him.

His reply did upset me a little, but we are all human at the end of the day. He probably got offended by the joke and used me to vent a little.

Note: Experiencing favoritism sucks. I had to threaten an artist here with a lawsuit over it. Both our locations had commissioner laws, and they DID in fact breached our contract by stopping my paid commission to do free art for their friends... live on a stream btw. I checked on them once per month, pretending like I didn't know what they were doing. They ignored me for 4 months while streaming daily. So, I said "Here's your lawsuit papers written directly by my lawyer. See you in court buddy". Dude got all 7 commissions done that afternoon. Don't play favorites then, dumb ass. XD

(TL;DR) Though I do understand your frustration, go easy on them. They are at least trying, compared to other mod groups. Trust me... I would know. X3
GreenReaper
4 months, 1 week ago
Huh? In what world is what I said an "attack"? I had something to address your assertion that it was about those locations and I responded to clarify their actual level of relevance. That's all. Then at the end of your far-longer reply, you expressed surprise that I only responded to you, and I said why that was, too. (The other reason was that most of the replies did not make specific conjectures about why we were doing anything, just general "trash talk" as you said. I did reply in depth to one other thread further up, but it took some time.)
GarryMouse
4 months, 1 week ago
Oh yeah, I talked to some people about that off site. A few people agreed but more people said that I might have taken what you said the wrong way. And using the word "attacked" was a bit extreme. Looking back, the situation is kind of funny. I think what I did was assume you (the mods of inkbunny) work like we do. We don't talk much to each other and when we do, it is very corporate like and overly professional. (Except for that one asshat) We mostly just work on the site. Well... only me and one of the admins. Everyone else is just mass posting without tagging >:(

You and your team are WAY more social behind your position, and it was odd to me with what I'm used to. So, when you did reply, it threw me off and I was like "The fuck a mod replying to me for?" XD

Also, during the whole thing, I never name dropped you. You didn't have to self-report like that, we could have easily done this in PMs. Even when I'm in the wrong here, you are still funny as shit! XD Again, saying "attacked" was a bit much. Hope we cool though :)
Tikkity
4 months, 2 weeks ago
The artist himself harassed two users and then in the comments admitted he did something that's against the site's rules. That's not powertripping by the admins, that's just plain not a smart move on TGH's part. And now half the comment section is going surprise pikachu face at the consequences of his actions and saying how the mods are authoritatian and 'going after artists' - while that's clearly not the case. They're doing what they're supposed to do, which is step in when they see a violation of rules. I don't understand why this is that hard to grasp.
McFan
4 months, 2 weeks ago
TGH's actions are unrelated to my comment. I'm personally not fond of these journal (especially how they are titled).
Just pointing that the timing is very bad for such gallery swipe, especially when you know that there are plenty of arts on this site with ripped background.
Tikkity
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Yeah that's fair enough. I'm not sure what journal it was in, but I think it was KADM who said that they assume good faith by artists and that they draw their own backgrounds. I assume it's one of those cases where if you can't really tell, the artist doesn't outright state that they're doing it, they don't draw attention to themselves and/or no one reports it, it'll go unnoticed for a long time. Also the situation with the mods not being swamped by a mountain of open tickets is a relatively new thing, so the users here aren't really used to the mods being pro-active in their enforcement of the rules.
Telain
4 months, 2 weeks ago
We take care of items as we're made aware of them, which his comment did. Are we supposed to just sit on our hands at that point?
Emenius
4 months, 2 weeks ago
One time, I got pulled over because one of my headlights was burnt out. Instead of giving me a ticket, the officer let me go and told me to get it fixed instead of giving me a ticket and raining the full extent of the law on me. He was a very nice officer :^)
Telain
4 months, 2 weeks ago
We didn't ban them. The submissions were hidden until they are fixed. They have the option to remove or replace the backgrounds and the submissions will be made public again. We're not going to notify someone of an issue but leave the submissions visible.
Emenius
4 months, 2 weeks ago
I know. With all those people clamoring for the removal of the offending images and Disney breathing down your necks, you did the right thing :^)
AuraPupArts
4 months, 2 weeks ago
“Rules for thee, but not for me.”
denjar
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Didn't admins care about "rule violations" before?
But now there's a convenient way to punish those who dissatisfied and demonstrate their authority.
That's exactly how the situation appears from the outside.
ToumaSnowpaw
4 months, 2 weeks ago
I have enjoyed your art a lot. I'd like to preserve it so at least it doesn't get lost permanently. Could you maybe add the stuff that got removed to a zip so I can keep it safe? I've been doing that for a lot of artists who either aren't with us or had fallouts with the various furry sites.
theblimppimp
4 months, 2 weeks ago
That is so bad :'(
Is the art lost? Do you have it elsewhere?
GarryMouse
4 months, 2 weeks ago
I was trying to archive the gallery for them before they got removed. I was only able to get page 10 before it said "this post doesn't exist". They are quick with that ban hammer bro XD
TheGiantHamster
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Don't worry _I_ didn't loose anything, the pictures are blocked only for you, the users. I suppose something can be done by re uploading them with deleted backgrounds, giving links to external sites. But I don't know, there are so many of them, and I can't stand my old drawings, and too lazy to upload new images when I have them.
I think most of them can be found on e621.
Meowz
4 months, 2 weeks ago
-.- I wished this would be handled much more gracefully. After this much time, it has to feel hurtful in a way. Personally I always thought those backgrounds were a grey-zone kind of thing because they're part and parcel of rule34. Also, many get altered. It is almost like a quotation, where a portion is used to convey a sense of familiarity to make the kinky bits feel more like they belong in there. And it works.

Would have wished if these were simply just put back into either a sort of 'hidden temporarily' status so they could be addressed. Or with a mask over the backdrop (blurred), until this was addressed.

And that's, aside from the entire ai thing. Really, I still love Inkbunny, but these new technologies and old methods of using backdrops, I'm thinking both could be handled more gracefully, leniently.
Rakuen
4 months, 2 weeks ago
That is exactly what happened; they weren't deleted. They were hidden until the situation could be sorted out or the submissions altered; that's how all disputed submissions are handled.
Meowz
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Oh. Hidden in such a way that they can be altered by the person managing the gallery thingy? So they can make an edit, and re-publish? I think that's helpful. Thank you.
TheGiantHamster
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Forget it, I'm not going to edit about 250+ pictures. (I roughly counted them now).
They were deleted as a message to me and I'm not going to move a finger to spend a minute of my time for this.
You can consider them deleted.
Meowz
4 months, 2 weeks ago
:( I feel with you. Don't know what to say. I'm glad I have theme saved, all of them, on my own computer.
Bachri
4 months, 1 week ago
MintSalt23
4 months, 2 weeks ago
IB really stays glazing AI over anything that requires actual skill. Sucks this is like the one site that allows all of the stuff it does. Good and bad.
HalcyonWinter
4 months, 2 weeks ago
I like AI but still feel it needs a separate site, not mixed in with everything else like on here. I've used screenshots for backgrounds too. Some MOD just has a grudge. I barely use this site anymore
denjar
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Where can I see your work? I haven't seen you on baraag.net for a while, nor on allthefallen. It seems we can't expect any new work on IB?
HalcyonWinter
4 months, 2 weeks ago
if you visit those galleries you have seen my work. i am not currently drawing or posting drawings
BinxLink
4 months, 2 weeks ago
I am just glad you are still around i remember when you were still going by Comp5
BlightHound
4 months, 2 weeks ago
But they allow AI but somehow screen cap BGs are bad, ugh. Ai is literally theft, stealing from artist and isn't even real art.
astralHaze
4 months, 2 weeks ago
wait so a machine generated image entirely composed of other people's art is fine, but not a background somehow?
TheGiantHamster
4 months, 2 weeks ago
I know I sound like just a hater by making only negative journals. I guess that's psychology. People are ready to leave negative feedback while just writing nothing when everything is alright.
Yes, I hate ai because it's ruining artists' lives and careers. Is it something surprising?
I don't go searching for ai images, I just got maddened by a very specific case of ai coming to my gallery. In fact, this tag is blocked in my profile a long time ago.

I prefer to think that I speak through my drawings, and I hope my gallery doesn't look like it's about spreading hate.
SpyroBeddingCynder
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Dam.    : (
Zazel
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Selective retalitory rule enforcement has been the name of the game on this site for a while. Every time someone has a disagreement with site staff they suddenly find their gallery under extreme and petty scrutiny. Bonus points if you spot kadm in other people's journals running defense pretending they've never heard of someone who is regularly in the popular section and they totally would have enforced these rules if they knew before.

If you really pay attention you'll notice that every time they update the rules it's just to make it easier for the mods to pull this kind of stuff.
InsaneProxy
4 months, 2 weeks ago
What the actual fuck?
LilJames
4 months, 2 weeks ago
The hypocrisy continues of IB mods banning content because it had "a background" versus how much ai-slop they allow that's blatantly stealing everyone else's art.
FlyingFox
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Oshit you still got that avatar XD
LilJames
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Oh yeah dude, loved your work, you drew my li'l guy cute as hell how could I not keep it?  <3 hope you doing well despite all this current nonsense.
rooshoes
4 months, 2 weeks ago
This smells like some AI derangement shit from the mods.
douglas0828
4 months, 2 weeks ago
kinda reminds me when e621 mods/reddit moderators go on a power trip and this is why I don't talk to people especially mods, getting into furry drama is just a pissing match,
Teisu
4 months, 2 weeks ago
TheGiantHamster
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Not spared, most likely misclicked and forgotten among the pile of others.
ZwolfJareAlt306
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Just checked; these are currently hidden.
Chipples
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Man, they really want to kill their website, huh?
Mistzz
4 months, 2 weeks ago
The enshitfication of ib is real
HiddenLurk3r
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Clearly retaliatory for standing up to them about AI garbage. Glad I don't have any skin in the game here so I'm free to speak my mind.
Tikkity
4 months, 2 weeks ago
"Clearly"
Clearly huh? So it wasn't about actually harassing another user, or breaking longstanding submission rules.
I swear, as soon as it's about AI, all bets are off and everything is permitted including harassment. Excellent take.
CPCTail
4 months, 2 weeks ago
"Stop liking what I don't like"
That's basically the attitude in a nutshell
Cheets
4 months, 2 weeks ago
nice going IB. the enshittification continues.
IgneousSnoot
4 months, 2 weeks ago
I was about to say it can't come as a surprise to anyone on the moderation team that you used screenshots as backgrounds sometimes, given that you are among the biggest artists on the site... but then I checked, and you are nowhere on the top 250 artists list, even though you absolutely should be given the number of watchers you have. Someone up high has really got a stick up their arse about you :P
TheGiantHamster
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Interesting. I can't believe anyone would be willing to edit that manually. That would be crazy, right? :D
Probably nuking the best half of the gallery broke the algorithm somehow?

I'm absolutely sure they only pretend not noticing such a huge violation on my side for a decade.
Kadm
4 months, 2 weeks ago
The view you're looking at is Top 250 members with submissions in the last 30 days. Since TheGiantHamster hasn't submitted anything in 30 days, they're not going to show up in it. None of their removed submissions have an impact, because their latest submission is older than 30 days.
IgneousSnoot
4 months, 2 weeks ago
I see, I wasn't aware of that extra condition. My apologies
dsc
dsc
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Hmmm. ive been fermenting a response for awhile, cuz this is a delicate situation... but also kinda stupid in all regards.

Like dont get me wrong, i got AI blocked, its steals art to create art.. its bad all around... but..


COME ON! You literally broke TOS. Doesnt matter how everyone wants to paint this situation as "Mods being ass!"  OR "Mods at it again!"

The terms of service are there for a reason... other wise the site wouldnt function at all because everyone would be at each others throats all the time... or would ya ALL rather have censorship up the wazzu like FA or SF and be forced into the censorship?

Also... it was EXTREMELY stupid of you TheGiantHamster to even engage AI users to begin with, knowing full well your multiple statements above that you cant help yourself but lash out at them. You literally painted a bullseye on your back with you breaking the TOS to begin with.

It was really stupid of you, plain and simple. You can have opinions, nothing is wrong with that... but if you are purposely going out of your way to negatively engage with others because they use something you dont like... word of advice? Keep it to yourself. Some battles are best not fought because most people have already decided what they wanna do.

Now i said my piece, take it as you will. But please for the love of all holy.. READ MY POST FULLY before trying to attack me or engage me because of my post.

Thank you very much :)
TheGiantHamster
4 months, 2 weeks ago
I don't argue with the deletion of my drawings and don't demand their restoration. I didn't know they weren't allowed and considered it a grey zone like the whole R34 artwork. No one is reading walls of text of every TOS.
It's just this funny coincidence that I turned out to be a huge violator right at this moment.
dsc
dsc
4 months, 1 week ago
Well never said you argued with the deletion or said you demanded their restoration either. I also agree that reading text wall TOS can be taxing and exhausting and not worth it a lot of the time.

But the coincidence of your violations kinda goes out the window when you put the factors of your own actions into the equation and your own admittance of said actions. Again, painted a target on your back with your own actions. There are better ways to protest stuff then to go out of your way to harass others.

That was my whole point, and i agree with a few of your statements on AI, don't get me wrong on that. But going out of your way to harass others and cause a ruckus is just plain stupid. We ain't in kindergarten anymore after all.
Spuug
4 months, 2 weeks ago
That's just stupid.  By adding characters to a background, it makes enough of a difference so that it's a new work.  It's a fair use of the background.   It's like Andy Warhol using Campbell's soup can labels in his art.  I don't recall Campbells suing him for that.
Lloxie
4 months, 2 weeks ago
Wow. Just... wow. I am so glad I've saved so much of your stuff over the years. And thank goodness there's copies on e621. God, we desperately need an alternative to this dumpster fire of a site.
CargieWeasel
4 months, 2 weeks ago
this is some absolute horseshit - inkbunny is doing its level best to drive me away. its saying something when fucking FA has better policies than this dumpster
Tydaze
4 months, 1 week ago
Wtf, so when it comes to fair use parody of a corporate IP in the background your stuff gets removed, yet they allow wholly AI generated shit that nonconsensually plagiarizes independent artists in our own community. What hypocrisy
TheGiantHamster
4 months, 1 week ago
I agree, it's so wrong.
I can understand why movie backgrounds can be problematic for the site owners.

But that ai stuff of all kinds, images, music, writing is so much inconceivably worse that it becomes difficult to grasp and express with words. It feels like generative ai breaks not some kind of written laws, but something naturally fundamental, something so big that almost no one had to think of it for the entirety of human history until 3-4 years ago.
That's why I believe the site's owners shouldn't have given space to a technology that breaks and distorts the whole meaning of creativity and harms real creators.
FluffSneppy
4 months, 1 week ago
What absolute idiocy
browniesnsfw
4 months, 1 week ago
This really sucks.

I know it was technically against the rules, sure, but I can't help but find it interesting that they'd hide half of your gallery but are fine with AI-generated "art" flooding the site. This site just keeps becoming more and more hostile to actual artists.

It seems like all art forums and websites have been enshittifying over the last decade. I know it's difficult to run a website and you can't make everyone happy, but between the increasing censorship (of artists, not prompt engineers), draconian payment processors, harassment and dogpiling, the increasing popularity of the fandom, outdated websites (*cough cough* Furaffinity), etc. it's getting harder to actually want to create and share art.
thecooler
4 months, 1 week ago
Its incredible they have the audacity! to delete real made art work for the "background" been to similar to actual scenes in a movie for "copy right infringement" and still allow AI to exist in Ink bunny, (its FAR BEYOND from HIPOCRITICAL!) (even fucking disney is sueing AI generative software for it cause they know its and always has been art theft!!) but since it give the site views I guess or what ever its still in here, and to think this place was made cause FA was to square and did not allow cub stuff any more. I guess ink bunny is now one of those other you live long enough to become the villain you fight over situation story here.

its ironic and sad... not to say pathetic in a way.
R3DRUNNER
2 months ago
just generate the backgrounds with AI this somehow makes it okay. slopsite lmao
AccentSeasoning
1 month, 4 weeks ago
You didn't deserve this. On an unrelated matter, your hand done backgrounds I often preferred as they held the same unassuming, graceful style even when as just sketchings.
EthanSeville
1 month, 1 week ago
I mean, if you’re using screenshots from the movie from a copyright perspective, you’re technically using someone else’s property without permission
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