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KevinSnowpaw

NO MORE CENSORSHIP!

SO I'm sure some of you are aware recently VISA/MASTERCARD Gave STEAM a LIST of games they HAD to remove from there platform because the payment providers...disagreed...with the games content...


this is because the games contained porn. Meny MENY other games on steam that contain porn were not ON this list but it is still a dangerous and STUPID precedent.


Steam of Corse FOUGHT this but they were, in the end, forced to relent or VISA/MASTERCARD would have pulled service from steam and effectively prevented untold numbers of gamers from being able to buy video games on there platform...



Now some of you might rightly be upset and some of you might be thinking "it's mostly just shitty AI slop" and your right lot of it WAS shitty AI slop..but not all of it...and thats not the point.


PAYMENT providers should be be Dictating What you can and cannot BUY especially when they control damn near a monopoly on non cash payments.

event he ACLU is up in arms about this shit and While I am not always the bigist FAN of every cause they support this is one of the good ones.


So for those of you who realize that this censorship president goes much deeper the porn games...it effects anime, hentai loli/shota and yes even furry! you may be asking, Kevin! Shut the Hell up you pedantic fuzz ball and tell me what I can do about it!


WELL!


.... not much DX BUT were not powerless!


First off you can sigh a Petition at change.org which can be found here.

And you can Sign the ACLU's Petition which can be found HERE! Full Disclosure this Second Petition is for Online Sexwork...Which I'm not sure I Agree with, but If I claimed to gold Fre emarket and Libertarian values, wich i do, and then turned around and said FUCK THE CYBER HOS!!! I would be a Hypocrite...and this issue effects games, art and Media as well...so here it is.



Lastly and by far NOT the least, for those of you who want to make maximum impact, you can contact your government Representative!

Let me help!

you can go HERE!

It gives you a handy prewritten Statement, you may feel free to use it and links you to a tool to find the right person to contact in your state, assuming your in the USA were this is mostly being fought.


Finally...Consider reposting this information, or linking back to it, visibility is important here.


This fandom is HUGE and it relies heavily on Adult content, this effects furry artists and game devs, and shit like this is the reason paypal keeps killing artists accounts.


Thank you for your time and for whatever ways in wich your choose to fight this.
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Added: 3 weeks, 4 days ago
 
NonnyFox
3 weeks, 4 days ago
The payment processors were pushed in to it by a negative feminist group that goes by Collective Shout. There are a couple of Youtube videos out by a gamer girl that goes by Madam Savvy, here's the link to a 30mins video she made exposing them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVLctwaqosg&t=1s

ConoStudios
3 weeks, 4 days ago
It goes way deeper than just this feminist activist group.
KevinSnowpaw
3 weeks, 4 days ago
good to know about this man :( what is it dried up Nasty fucks need to ruin shit for everybody.
Teddy
3 weeks, 4 days ago
They're testing the waters for CBDC, and the ability to decide what you can and can't spend your money on.  This started with PayPal years ago, and the single reason why I refuse to use them for purchases.  Unfortunately, it's also meant I can't support commissions from those who only accept PayPal as means of payment.
zander
3 weeks, 4 days ago
Yeah... I seriously hate the payment processors in this country...  Several times I've gone to buy marijuana (which is legal in my state) and I haven't been able to because VISA gets to decide what I can and can't buy with my own damn money.... Like, I actually have to walk to the ATM and get my money out that way because I can't just buy it directly with my damn card... These payment processors have really got to be stopped...
KevinSnowpaw
3 weeks, 4 days ago
Payment Processors and the BANKS should NEVER be the arbiters of "Morality" fuck that! XD
zander
3 weeks, 4 days ago
I definitely agree with this 1000%! It's not their money to be able to tell you what to spend it on... but they certainly treat it like it is...

Payment processors like this don't like gun purchases either...  I'm almost kind of hoping they try some shit like that here in the USA... They will get bitch slapped so damn hard and fast they won't even know what hit them... lmao
beforethefall
3 weeks, 4 days ago
I feel like payment processors should be held to the same standard banks are. If I go withdraw 500 bucks they don't ask what I'm going to spend it on... They just fork it over no questions asked. In an increasingly digitized world we really need to hold digital payment vendors to the same cash standard (without having to give up our protections for those transactions by using debit etc,due to the inherent risk of online commerce).

I'm in a deep red state that's championed a lot of this av/censorship bullshit in the discourse so I doubt my petition will do any good, but I'm going to call anyway. This state literally has had ballot initiatives pass by an overwhelming majority and turns around and says "nah we don't want to do that though" and just refuses to enact or fund it, sometimes just outright vetoing it... Sadly in certain places, our democracy is already failing
zander
3 weeks, 3 days ago
I very much agree with this. Payment processors should only be doing just that. Processing the payment. None of this crap where they can tell you where and how you can spend it. And yeah that's part of the problem. People don't really carry cash around much anymore either. Some places won't even accept cash anymore as well...

Yep, seen that here in our state too a bit recently where the voters want one thing and vote for it and then they government just say "hmmm, yeah don't think we're gonna do that because the voters just didn't know what they were actually voting for" it's insane how bad things have started to become here in the US now.
Fleetpaw
3 weeks, 4 days ago
VISA/MASTERCARD could've been countersued for business obstruction, and they would have to come clean as to WHY they are trying to stop a business from using their payment system, which Steam could've done because they run a business, and with games that have porn in them are a part of that busines,s which means VISA/MASTERCARD can be on the hook for billions if they lost via a counter lawsuit for obstruction of business
KevinSnowpaw
3 weeks, 4 days ago
wish that they had been
Etis
3 weeks, 4 days ago
The problem is that Visa/MC are weaponized by USA government. And it means laws effectively do not apply to them.
Fleetpaw
3 weeks, 4 days ago
true, which would mean the government would be in trouble for business Obstruction
Etis
3 weeks, 4 days ago
The thing is that government can't be in trouble. Government is the trouble.
MarcusKoopa
3 weeks, 4 days ago
Hi there! Welcome to Lawful Evil! It's the alignment ALL major governments eventually get to! The entire point is to have one set of rules for you and another for your lessers. Your goal is to see how many of your own rules you can break until you rise to a higher level!
Oddscreen
3 weeks, 4 days ago
I swear it's so strange having so many things in place to control how your own money is spent or made.

I enjoy making money only for many things to tell you:

That you can't make money the way you want.

You can't spend said money that way.

You made a lot of money- now it's suddenly ours- because you made a lot of it.
KevinSnowpaw
3 weeks, 4 days ago
those in power ill allways seek to control acsess to said power I suppose.
Netreek
3 weeks, 4 days ago
You have that for years with paypal. For in my country you don't get those XXX-Rated games. if I wanted to have them I needed to get them from a different place. Steam as platform for those sort of games just not works for me. In other words no XXX-Games, but later get the XXX-patch elsewhere.
ShySketch
3 weeks, 4 days ago
*re-REET*

I have been unemployed since the "vaccine" mandate and this was already done to me over that issue.  I dunno maybe I'm just stupid, but the ACLU's activism on internet prostitution is completely a different thing.

*oink*

I mean do you actually want payments to be payments or do you want them to be social credit scores?  The ACLU was not helping anyone having their career ruined over the "vaccine."
MaximilianUltimata
3 weeks, 4 days ago
1: It's not all porn games that are being delisted. Just ones that involve incest. This has also applied to normal porn always, hence why all incest porn videos involve stepparents and siblings. Loli/shota stuff has always been a no no on Steam. Some worked around it for years now by making all the porn/incest stuff as a "mod" you download from their website.

2: This has been the case with credit card companies for years about stuff they find objectionable, like loli, hence why we are having this conversation on Inkbunny and not FurAffinity (though considering the growing dumpster fire that FA has been forever the mass exodus was inevitable.
ShySketch
3 weeks, 4 days ago
It has been a problem since fiat became a thing in like 1971.  It's also when all the coins stopped being made of precious metal (an art supply I can melt down and make into something or sell).

Essentially the individuals in power when that system was the system were given the "full faith and credit" aspect.  So if they like you, then you get all the magic money loans out of thin air, borrowed with "interest" that can not be paid back as the money is only created when loans are given to special interests of the individuals in charge.  College is the avenue by which it is transferred onto teenagers after brainwashing in mandatory public school.
KevinSnowpaw
3 weeks, 4 days ago
doesnt really matter that it was explicitly just the incest and bestiality games or any game with a IFFY title...it's all entirely irrelivent. What IS Relivent is a payment processor should have no more right to determin WHAT i buy, then You do XD or I do to decide what YOU may buy.

Your capital, your buying power, is the rawist expression of your influance other then your vote and is arguably FAR stronger.


nobody should control it.
rp
rp
3 weeks, 4 days ago
I just use debit side of my card, both €uro area and worldwide. If that ever fails phone call to customer service of my bank will fix the issue. Does rest of the world live in last millenium?
ZufieUsagi
3 weeks, 4 days ago
Already signed a day or two ago, was wondering how long it would take for you to talk about this.
DainenDog
3 weeks, 4 days ago
And this is why more and more countries need to adopt a system similar to the Pix we have in Brazil. If you're interested, you can read about it here.

It's not hard to understand why the US government recently criticized the system, calling it an "unfair practice."
otaking3582
3 weeks, 3 days ago
No, Valve didn't fight back at all. They easily bent the knee instead of taking these credit card companies to court.
MrAnonArtemis
3 weeks, 3 days ago
It's time for payment processors to be regulated like common carriers. They should be having no say on a consenting, legal purchase between two adults.
x45boy
3 weeks, 3 days ago
Well, I know Japan just had an election and they’re going after steam….. and (whether you love or hate the guy, just glad he drew attention to this situation to those who probably weren’t aware of it) Elon Musk commented about visa/mastercard; so there’s that….. but who knows is something like “stop killing games” might have some influence on this as well, however I am aware that that movement is on something else entirely. But who knows, it could evolve in something that tell visa/mastercard to f-off? I don’t know, just thought I share my two cents no matter how flawed it may be/sound.
zander
3 weeks, 3 days ago
Japan isn't going after Steam as far as I know. Unless you've got a source for that. They are actually going after VISA. Going so far as to put administrative sanctions on VISA for this shit.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Finance/Visa-told-by-J...
https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/b68ac34e65ec99559eb02...

x45boy
3 weeks, 3 days ago
Oh, I did mean Japan is going after steam (should have worded that better/edited it before the time ran out) I meant that Japan is going after visa/mastercard. And also heard (again, whether you like him or not I’m at least glad he’s being attention to this situation) Elon Musk tweeted about making his own payment processor to compete with the two monopoly companies.
zander
3 weeks, 2 days ago
I mean... as much as I don't really like Elon for some things he has done like gutting twitter, good on him for doing this if he does pursue it!
x45boy
3 weeks, 2 days ago
That was the exact same thought I had when I heard about it
KevinSnowpaw
3 weeks, 2 days ago
nobody is 100% good or 100% evil its a very bad habit we have gotten into that we go "oh no I dont like his politics on this issue he is the devil!" and we forget the rest, in this instance he is very much right.
DmitriyBagramov
3 weeks, 2 days ago
Censor should be prohibited as crime against humanity on world level.
thecooler
3 weeks, 1 day ago
This is part of that stupid púritan american politics shit we have been going on I bet! we got now a days idiots trying to make "internet pure again" I mean don't they even know how much money they are making from porn? 1 dollar subcriptions from only fans most are payed with visa credit cards! what will happen if I already payed for those games? (I do got a lot of some yiffy games) if my PC dies I won't be able to get them back in another PC if that is the case! are they gonna give me a fisical copy of it? like it was 1996? they must be from the trumping administration cause they are so fucking retards!!
KevinSnowpaw
3 weeks, 1 day ago
Actually this PARTICULAR spat of stupid was sparked by an Australian group of Dried up Hags...not that it couldnet have been an American group hahaha just this time it was not.
thecooler
3 weeks ago
Well as the old's saying said: "haste fama y acuéstate a dormir" = "make your self fame and put yourself to sleep"
It means you will eventually be woken up by some thing similar some one else did and get blamed for it, if that is what you where doing before, that's what Americans had been doing since the 60's and now when ever some idiot does some thing stupid of that magnitud mind goes straight to "Murika" fellows XD

But self Blowing Bigotry and ignorance knows know country barrieres it seems sadly to many idiots in the world to count.
KevinSnowpaw
3 weeks ago
Amen
eliteshyguy
2 weeks, 6 days ago
Now the right time to start playing uprising by muse while protesting this censor stuff.
Kupok
1 week, 4 days ago
The natural result of having confused social stigma with government enforced mandate.
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