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Description of an Alternate Universe

Imagine, if you will, a world like yet unlike our own, a fictional place you, dear reader, should not confuse with our reality...

In this world, a responsible young woman is walking down a street in a neighborhood of the town she works in.  She does not live in the town directly, but she has family there and commutes in a few miles away from home for her part-time job.  Being a responsible citizen of the community, she has been in town since earlier in the day to assist with a community clean-up project.  She knows this place is potentially dangerous (due to a recent spike in violent crime), but as a strong, independent young woman she knows she has the right to be there.  She is dressed attractively, not specifically provocatively but showing a sense of style, which she also has a right to.

On this night, the young woman has been verbally accosted by angry men who threaten to rape and kill her.  She does not immediately react to these men; there are many other people around, and she is cool-headed about such things.  While she has been walking through town, she had encountered other hostile groups, who she either avoids or successfully de-escalates conflict with.

Then, this responsible, level-headed young woman notices some trouble ahead, down the street.  Perhaps she has seen someone fall down, injured, and being trained in basic medical aide she rushes forward to assist.  Maybe she has seen a fire that she hopes to help put out before it grows.  Whatever it is, she acts with alacrity.

But, just as she is approaching the trouble, one of the angry men who earlier threatened her with rape and murder jumps out and ambushes her, his face concealed by his shirt.  Knowing the danger, she attempts to flee.  The man chases, yelling and throwing things, and corners her as she hears a gunshot behind her.  The man reaches for her.

She knows she is in imminent lethal danger, and having the right to defend herself, she does so, killing the attempted murder-rapist.

But as she is stunned at what she has just had to do, she hears other men cry out, indicating that they are going to kill her.  The immediate danger gone, she again flees.  As she is running from her attackers,  one strikes her and she stumbles to the ground.

Three men pile onto her, beating her with implements, kicking, one even pointing a handgun at her.  By some miracle of fate, she successfully defends herself yet again, killing one and wounding another.

She continues to flee.  She tries to immediately let the police know what has happened, but in the chaos she is waved away.  The following day, she turns herself in, behaving consistently as an upright citizen.

Now, can you imagine how the media, the government, and a bewildering number of people treat this young woman?

They have the unmitigated gall, the absolute lack of humanity, to accuse this woman of premeditated murder.  They say that she should not have been there, that she should have stayed home, that she shouldn't have been wearing those clothes she was wearing, that she had no right to assist people in trouble in a town where she has a living interest.

They say that she should have expected to be raped and murdered, and therefore she is guilty of defending herself from said murder-rapists.  They say she should have been a Good Woman and never left her home.  They say that she brought it on herself.  They mock her when she breaks down in tears on the witness stand.  They scream indignant fury when her assailants are not permitted to be referred to as victims.

Can you imagine that world, the depth of evil in the hearts of the people so angry that the young woman lived?  This imaginary alternate universe where the State prosecutors suborn perjury from witnesses and violate Constitutional protections in a desperate attempt to ensure this young woman is punished for successfully defending herself from violent, murderous rapists, thieves, and abusers?

I can't believe it.

Can you?
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Added: 3 years, 1 month ago
 
KevinSnowpaw
3 years, 1 month ago
Maybe in this fictional reality this women's case is also being made for her as the prosecution has shit for dick and keeps putting witnesses on the stand that only make her self defense case stronger?

not that any of that is actualy happening mind you this is all clearly fictional but PERSONALY I think she did us all a god damned favor...
GreenPika
3 years, 1 month ago
happens all the time in this reality, only, to a different profile of person.
alistair
3 years, 1 month ago
Certainly, no one will ever catch me saying that the justice system in the United States isn't an enraging politically-motivated, the-process-is-the-punishment, media-mob perversion of the core principles upon which this Republic was founded.

I'm patiently waiting for some enterprising people to spend the resources looking into how jury pools are selected.  There was a quickly-erased documentary a couple years back claiming that the software used to populate the pools is corrupted, that it uses machine learning to pre-select people most likely to agree with the State's charges and only fills the pools with those people.  This would make jury selection a completely worthless exercise, because no matter who gets picked, the fix is already in.

I don't know how much the claim is true, but I do know it is entirely possible with existing tech, and everyone should be aware of it.

Justice! (tm) (By way of technological sleight-of-hand card forcing.)
GreenPika
3 years, 1 month ago
ah, so you are aware. Hard to doubt that jury thing. I was told decades ago that if on the paper work before hand, if I chose a critical thinking type job as my profession, I would likely be booted from a jury, because the system already was set up to choose the most easily manipulable people.

The problem with our system is, it's based on the lie that, laws need to be complicated and people never violate oaths in favor of conspiring. It's a joke.
alistair
3 years, 1 month ago
A much easier guarantee of escaping jury duty is to merely say the words "Jury Nullification."

The Masters really don't want the citizenry to know that they are the final arbiters of the law.
GreenPika
3 years, 1 month ago
ooo do tell?
alistair
3 years, 1 month ago
The basic idea is: a jury of one's peers, composed of free citizens, is intended as the final check against a tyrannical governance.  No matter what laws the Legislative branch passes, no matter what laws the Executive enforces, no matter how the Judicial branch rules on the legality of those laws, at the end of the day it is up to the citizens to decide what laws are just or unjust.

When a person serves on a jury, they are under no obligation to return any guilty verdict if they choose not to.  They might feel that the given law was indeed violated, but if it's a stupid-ass law they can simply nullify it by refusing to convict.

Judges will tell you that you must return a given verdict.  They can hand down directed verdicts.  The prosecutors will tell you that you must convict if the evidence shows the defendant to be guilty.  They will play every word game and spin every bit of semantics they can to convince you that you don't actually hold the power that you do.

But absolutely none of that matters, because the jury gets the final say, period.

The takeaway, in our horribly corrupted justice system, is that because judges and prosecutors don't want you to have this power, if you merely mention the existence of the power (called, as above, "Jury Nullification"), they will rapidly dismiss you from the pool.  They will even go so far as to arrest you for tampering if you were to, say, try to educate people about this in front of a court house.  Defense attorneys can get in trouble if they try to tell jurors about it, too, depending on the judge in question.

So if you ever want out of jury duty, just mention it during selection.  Easy-peasy.  So it goes.
moyomongoose
3 years, 1 month ago
There are such worlds that do exist, and you don't need to board a rocket ship to go find them...
...They are called; California, New York City, New Jersey, Chicago, Virginia, Seattle, Portland.
TheDeinonychus
3 years, 1 month ago
Let's be honest here. If any of this had happened to a woman, no one would even consider suggestion that it wasn't a case of self defense.
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