Inkbunny

Not so much that the community itself is entitled, but that there is a lot of entitlement within it. You're far from the only artist I've seen encounter this problem, and I know of at least 4 different websites that share paid works and full Patreon archives free of charge. They largely don't do takedown requests. The comments people make about artists that take issue with having their products stolen is disgusting.

Zeromegas

4 years, 8 months ago

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Some people enter to patreon to put Patreon only comics/pics to post its in E-Hentai.

GraceTheGoldenFurred

4 years, 8 months ago

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I'm so sorry someone decided to do that to you. There's absolutely no reason to do a thing like that except to screw someone over, and I don't blame you in the least for stopping the comics. There's so much art provided for free already, from yourself and from others on this site, and it's a shame some folks can't stand the thought of an artist being properly compensated for their hard work. And it is hard work. Fuck the people who belittle you for "doodling".

Thank you for creating the comics you did, and for sharing your art with us. And I hope that, in future, people will treat you with a little more respect. Without the artists and creators who post their hard work to sites like Inkbunny, this community would be much, much less fun.

Bunnybits

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ GraceTheGoldenFurred

I really pity them for trying to put me down...
Being an artist full time is such a far out concept for their little brains to comprehend, i hope they don't get a headache thinking too hard about it

eeveefan

4 years, 8 months ago

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no job is easy. and people have no right to tell you what job to do. you love art then do it, you love mechanical stuff then do it, you love flipping people off going down the highway for 5 bucks per middle finger then do it (i wish lol).
but yeah youll have people here who help support you. art isnt easy and its tough, but you got alot of people here to support you bunnybits. i just hope youll keep doing more art for us. dont let these people bring you down <3

eeveefan

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ GraceTheGoldenFurred

but thats why pirates do that. to screw people over. they dont care about the artist, they care about themselves and getting attention. "oh look im a douche bag and stole this comic that im posting on these sites for everyone to read hurhurhurhur! gee i accomplished so much in my life, my right hand will be so proud of me cause thats the only love ill ever get"
thats how i see pirates / douchebags who steal from artists.
it sickens me that people do that crap.

Bunnybits

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ eeveefan

i think there are people who feel like heros for providing the comic for free, like as if i'm a vilain who stole all the good bunny content and they are returning it to those who are in the need lol

eeveefan

4 years, 8 months ago

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yeaaaaah like there isnt enough bunny smut out there already lol

Aogami

4 years, 8 months ago

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That's unfortunate, but it's a sad reality of this industry. If you paywall something it WILL be stolen and put up for free. You'll have better luck with a different monetization strategy if you want to continue making comics. Clara takes donations and puts out new pages when she reaches certain dollar amount milestones, that works pretty well. You could also set up a subscribestar account and try the early access method, where the pages are released publicly after some time but subscribers get them as soon as they're done. I've seen a number of artists making that work.

Bunnybits

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ Aogami

I've been thinking about it, and tbh it seems like the best solution for me
my only issue with this idea is that it's not fair that some people will put down a lot of money to get the comic done while others just wait around to see if for free. But i'll probably have to do it this way from now on...

AAS

4 years, 8 months ago

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would surprise you how much users only want to support you because of your art, not because of the comic, im really sure that if you use that same tactic people will support you, some of us did it when you asked for support to release the Pêcher Mignon, we had on mind that in one point it would come to internet, that's the matter, it was a true, most of us knew that it would end up on the internet for free, but at the end decided to help you because we wanted to help you not because we wanted the comic, I think you should consider continue in this form (good option Aogami)

Bunnybits

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ AAS

That's very sweet, really, but I don't want people to send money for me, I want them to have something nice in return.
And I don't want them to feel ripped off cus a couple of months later they can read the comic for free somewhere

Rathsari

4 years, 7 months ago

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Check out how funkybun and others are releasing comics, modest subscription to get the newest pages and occasional standalone bits, then releasing them 1-2 months later. Less pressure to make a whole book at once and you can adapt the comic or other uncommissioned art to how much time you can spare, the people who can't pay get to enjoy your art eventually without resorting to piracy, people who leak art regularly won't care because there's no reason to buy stuff to leak if it's going to be given away later anyway.

Bunnybits

4 years, 7 months ago

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@ Rathsari

Like I said, there wouldn't be enough crowd to fund the pages, they would take forever to get funded if at all.
"Modest" funding by like 10 people don't get me anywhere, and in fact it will end up costing more for them if they keep funding each page than just paying once for the whole comic

Kellyn

4 years, 7 months ago

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Honestly I really like the crowd funding approach. As for the whole people will wait around to see it for free thing that’s how commissions work already for anyone who posts their commissioned works to their public gallery. Big difference with this is people are funding your idea rather than their own. Many people are more than ok with this and prefer this though. Some people have money to give but would rather read someone else’s story than make their own.

eeveefan

4 years, 8 months ago

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pirates have no life, it discusts me that people have to do that shit to ruin other artists ways of living.
i myself dont do the whole "paypal subscription" thing to access additional art or patreon exclusive stuff. i think its just kind of a ripoff tbh. but im not hating you for that, i get the whole "we artists need to eat and stuff" to. and i get you work hard on your stuff. but theres always the issues of pirates, thieves and low lives who try to constantly try to bring you down.
im not saying "give me free stuff", i just dont do the patreon support thing, id rather commission someone and get something for myself rather then just hand people money for... random art or something? what im trying to say is i prefer to support them by getting something for myself from them rather then shell out like... idk 4 or 6 bucks per month for not being able to get an art.
i wanna support you as much as i can but... i dont have alot of money to toss out. -w-
i hope my words werent to jerkish or anything, i dont wanna bring you down or sound mean.

Bunnybits

4 years, 8 months ago

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I don't use patreon, i do have a kofi subscription but it's not for exclusive art (although sometimes they get a doodle that i dont post on IB), they get to vote on a monthly poll and have their own queue for commissions, that's pretty much it
I don't like censoring art and paywalling it, but 90% of my content are commissions anyways so i can just publish it for everyone

AAS

4 years, 8 months ago

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that's a really great point of you and your art

LordChaos

4 years, 8 months ago

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As soon as I saw your post I went and purchased the comic. Love your work.

Bunnybits

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ LordChaos

Aw thanks a bunch, i hope you like the comic!
I'm not trying to make people buy my stuff more, what i want is for people to steal less xD
again thanks for getting the comic, you know one comic sold is one meal you get me! :3

LordChaos

4 years, 8 months ago

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Loved the comic and worth the cost.

Izelith

4 years, 8 months ago

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I'm really sorry to hear someone did that to you and wish I was good enough with computers to make a virus that could set there PC on fire. =T

Bunnybits

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ Izelith

Someone actually asked me if I wanna Ddos those websites... I mean, I wouldn't really be too sad if it happens

Keeran

4 years, 7 months ago

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that's what happened to KissAnime/KissManga before it got taken down.

Bunnybits

4 years, 7 months ago

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@ Keeran

a bunny can dream lol

KaiBun

4 years, 8 months ago

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I wish I had some more ideas as far as solutions go. Only thing I can thing of is having a goal for each page and once you hit that, then release it. That or maybe add some cameo type slots to your comic and have an auction for those slots? Or maybe a combination of the both?

In either case I hope your able to figure something out. In the meantime you have my support ^^

Makogrey

4 years, 8 months ago

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Sorry to hear that. Damn shame what people do to people that do this as a living. I know yiffparty has done this to a few artist I follow

Floofy

4 years, 8 months ago

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If you want it removed you can send a DMCA to the web host. That the people who are being paid to run the machines, rather than the people who are running the website.

AAS

4 years, 8 months ago

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I think your comic was so great, and think that if you think on release a new one, not import if some one publish it on other place, I will pay for it because I not pay for the comic, I pay for the hard work you did

NeksusCat

4 years, 8 months ago

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That's understandable, though sad.
In Russia, most of the people used to treat artists like some kind of beggars, eager to draw masterpiece for food or even for free.
And when artist asks for support or outright ask people to pay them to keep receiving new content, these people would go into eage fit, cause some "petty scribbler has the nerve to ask for money!"
Guess, in other parts of the world it's not that different.
Shame on those who steal from hard working artists..
Best wishes to you!

OsTin

4 years, 7 months ago

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@ NeksusCat

That's why most of the freelancers there are focused on first world countries more. I mean just one digital copy of 3d asset I sold on the UK website, is paying almost 5 times more than it will on some local assets store(if it also ever will).

Bunnybits

4 years, 7 months ago

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@ OsTin

i dont even focus on any particular market, it just happens that 95% of my custommers are from the US and Canada

OsTin

4 years, 7 months ago

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I'm about Russian market in general. Sorry if it sounded judging or anything.

Bunnybits

4 years, 7 months ago

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not at all, i was just saying that i really don't care much where i sell my stuff. I use american websites just cus i know them, but if i could also sell it somewhere else i would

FumblingFoxpaws

4 years, 8 months ago

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Rawr! Little bunny loving fox kits sent some meals your way.

The reviews have been good, but I've been putting off the purchase decision over and over again until now.

Bunnybits

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ FumblingFoxpaws

big thanks and much love~~ hope you enjoy it!

FumblingFoxpaws

4 years, 7 months ago

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I've been your watcher for long enough that I know you won't disappoint me. :)

AntonColt

4 years, 8 months ago

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Some people just see art as a drawing and don't think of how much time it actually took ..Or how by what they are doing it will screw an artist over. An artist can just make more art, right? So it shouldnt be an issue! ..That of course is no way at all to go thinking about it. A lot of time goes in to making art and being screwed over like that can make some just not want to make art anymore. I had that opposite issue, I have been drawing for most my life, I do it for myself however, Never wanted it to be any form of career and the moment it started becoming that I lost interest for many years. Just that stress of drawing for someone else and hoping that its something they will like, just not something I could deal with. Only recently have I taken up art again and its great I have fallen in love with it all over again, I couldnt imagine someone just up and stealing my art that I have put so much time and energy in to. To make a rambley long point short, I completely understand doing what you have decided. Hopefully you can continue doing what you love to do and get commissioned a bunch. ^ ^

Bunnybits

4 years, 8 months ago

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It takes time sure but all i really want is for people to see my work as any other job. I don't go to someone's store, just take a product and leave. I bet they behave like that cus they never had a real job anyways, so they have no clue on how the real world works

ZephyFoxy

4 years, 7 months ago

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Joke's on them, I'm increasing my patreon pledge to combat their piracy
8U eff you, you entitled brats. Artists need to eat too.

Chira

4 years, 7 months ago

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wait, you punish your current patrons because of other pirating your stuff. even tho they arent not at fault? well, atleast not all of them. just that one black sheep which did it. i dont think punishing everyone isnt a good choice x3.

ZephyFoxy

4 years, 7 months ago

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..........what the actual hell are you on about??? I said I'm increasing my pledge to Clara. How is that "punishing patrons"? I'm not even a creator on patreon. You need to re-read what I said.

Chira

4 years, 7 months ago

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1st. you said with no word in your comment that you mean clara.
2nd. i understood it as like that you increase your own pledge tiers on your patreon. not everyone on the internet knows you well and is aware of it that you might not be an artist and having not a patreon etc. sorry that i didnt spied inmediatly through your entire twitter, facebook, telegram, fa, ib and whatelse for medias out there exist 'w' ( if you have any of them ^^)
3rd. missunderstandings happen =w=

ZephyFoxy

4 years, 7 months ago

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But I said "I'm increasing my pledge" not "prices". A pledge is what you're giving to someone else. So that's why I'm not understanding such a mis-interpretation of what I said.

KevinSnowpaw

4 years, 7 months ago

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It's going to happen eventually in a way it can even be good advertisements for artists and it's a way for people who cant afford the luxury to eventualy see the comic...but honestly...yeah it REALLY pisses me off when I see people pirate work that was JUST released! Like it's just fine! And then artists end up doing this..they stop releasing comics ect. It ROYALY pisses me off. Hell I've seen people pirate work that would be publicly released anyway in two weeks time or so or that's released over time one page a day but you can pay for it all at once..its disgusting

Yeah piracy will happen and if you remain positive about it and it pops up on a few sites a month or two down the line mist of your sales are done by them...but your right the lack of respect is staggering

Bunnybits

4 years, 7 months ago

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well that's the thing, luxury isnt for everyone, or it wouldnt be luxury, right?
If paying for something you consume is considered luxury, i'll just go steal food or maybe i'll stop paying my internet provider but i'll be entitled to still be able to use it.
I wasnt planning on publishing the comic for free, btw, so waiting in that case wouldnt solve the problem.

It's really simple tho, can't afford it? Go check something else that's published for free, stealing, no matter when or how is stealing anyways

KevinSnowpaw

4 years, 7 months ago

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Oh im not justifying it, It's just inevitable, and once upon a time, people had the tact not to leak it for a while, let the artist make some money off there hard work.. now I find shit up on websites like the day AFTER it goes up for sale... it really makes me angry :(

Chira

4 years, 7 months ago

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i say to the part "being an artist is my job" just one thing. turning artwork nowadays into a "job" often leads into a chore. the pressure on it that YOU NEED to draw to eat, having a roof above ya head and keeping that roof warm too isnt good for the artwork either. artists which often force themselfs to draw decrease in their quality. tldr. drawing stuff should stay in my opinion a hobby ... not a job o-o but ... nya ... thats my opinion >-<

tho iunno what to say about the rest. i agree with aogami on the whole matter. just do the milestone thing, maybe it works, maybe not.

Bunnybits

4 years, 7 months ago

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what do you consider to be a real job? is your job safer than mine? what if you get fired, especially during this pandemic? Don't you feel any pressure when working?
Is my job so different than anyone elses? Being an artist full time is being a business owner before anything else.

DoomMaGeddon

4 years, 7 months ago

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I, personally, consider a job whatever activity that has a stable income. I do think art can become a job, but I think it's pretty much like YouTube. It's not really a job until you're well known and can win your bread every single month.

Bunnybits

4 years, 7 months ago

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You know it's not just youtube and art that are unstable when it comes to income.
Go check your local market, that dude doesnt have a stable income, if everyone decides to stop buying from him, he starves. Art is a business, i pay my taxes like any store, online shop, service you can imagine.
There is no such thing as stable income, if you earn a salary, you're always at risk of being fired.

I work my ass off everyday of each week to make it through life, i dunno why it wouldnt be considered a real job

DoomMaGeddon

4 years, 7 months ago

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Well, but if we go technical, Amazon is not a job. But an enterprise. Your local shop is not a job, but a bussiness. However, the cashier that works at the local shop IS a job, for it has an stable income. When it comes to art, YouTube and that stuff, I think it's best to complement it with a stable job until art becomes a stable job. I worked my ass every time I made a video for YT but it still couldn't be considered a job, as I had no income whatsoever.

Bunnybits

4 years, 7 months ago

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well here's the thing, i own a company, here in france we call it "auto entrepreneur" which is a business run by one person. If that business goes down, i go down with it.
Don't get all mixed up just cus some people do art or YT as a hobby, doesnt mean others can't do it professionally.
Take for example sports, some do it for fun, others depend on good performance to make a living out of it.

DoomMaGeddon

4 years, 7 months ago

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I know it can become a job and you can dedicate professionally to it, I said it before. I just said that I think it's best to do that when you've got a stable income from it. Otherwise, all you'll be making is journals saying you need money to survive and overwork yourself just to barely make it, in exchange of your physical and mental health. I've seen too many of those, and it worries me...

Bunnybits

4 years, 7 months ago

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dude, please, i think you don't understand the point of this journal.
first of i never complained in 3 years about my situation, and second it's not what i'm doing now. I'm not asking for more money from you guys, i'm asking those who steal my paid content to stop. It has nothing to do wiht my mental or physical health.

Now if you keep thinking being an artist isnt a real job, i won't try to confince you otherwise, i'll just ask you that if it crosses your mind to go check out my comic for free somewhere, remember what i think of people who do that.

DoomMaGeddon

4 years, 7 months ago

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Bruh you're taking my words completely out of context. I never said you complained nor that art isn't a job. If you don't understand what I'm trying to say, well it's not my fault, so please don't blame me for it.

But whatever. I know what you mean with this journal. Just keep doing your thing, and good luck with it. As I said before, I hope you'll be able to get enough to survive and more with your job.

DoomMaGeddon

4 years, 7 months ago

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Why so hostile, too? I never said art isn't a real job, never said people should get for free what you sell, never said you complained or asked for money. You got it all wrong and yet come at me all aggressive and stuff. Please calm down, I mean you no offence. I do agree with this journal, as I said down there in another comment! I agree with all you said, I do think art is a real job, and I do think it's pathetic to steal, as it's not only stealing but also disrespecting your art.

Kellyn

4 years, 7 months ago

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You are getting hung up on definitions and ignoring literally everything else. It doesn't matter if it's a job or not. If you don't think it's a job fine. It not being a "job" doesn't change the fact that she still gets all of her income from it.

All she is asking that when people are enjoying her content they understand and respect that this is how she is currently paying the bills. Something a lot of people straight up can't comprehend is when an artist has to get a "real job" the "real job" ends up making it way harder for an artist to art simply by eating up all their time and exhausting them.

It is VERY beneficial for anyone who enjoys an artist's content that the artist be able to make enough money to NOT have a "real job" cause the more time and energy they can put into their art the more art and the higher quality art they can produce.

Btw back to the "what can be considered a real job?" discussion... Yes being an artist is a real job.

Chira

4 years, 7 months ago

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but ... for that need peoples to have money ... from a job ... to support an artist ... which is at the moment not really a thing. so ... relying right now as artist ONLY on the artwork income is not a good idea o.o cause this pandemic affects everyone snd causes that peoples loose their jobs. without job cant they comission/support artists --> artists loose income. you know ... those chains. =w= its just not good to just rely on this at the moment.

Kellyn

4 years, 7 months ago

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People keep saying “you aren’t making enough money you need a job” she has made no indication that she is in any way having trouble sustaining herself on off her art. If she is able to make a living off her art right now then why the hell would she go looking for a job in the middle of a recession. A job would only make it HARDER for her to sustain herself doing what she wants to do with her life.

At the end of the day it doesn’t matter if being an artist is a job or not. What matters is that at the end of the day you are able to pay the bills. Save the “get a real job” advice for when she actually says she is having trouble paying the bills off her art and don’t assume her economic situation.

This journal is about calling out whatever disrespectful piece of garbage decided they were entitled to illegally share her comic. Its not about asking for help or saying she can’t pay the bills.

Kellyn

4 years, 7 months ago

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Sorry. After re reading your journal I came off way more aggressive than I should have. I stand by the overall message of my reply but falsely assumed you didn’t think art was a job. All you were saying is it’s not a very good job to have right now cause others are losing their jobs and don’t have as much money to spend on porn.

I apologize for the aggressive tone though she has yet to say she is in financial trouble so don’t worry about her. She is just mad some ass illegally uploaded her hard work and people getting it for free being unfair to those who paid.

Chira

4 years, 7 months ago

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nya, i never claimed that bunny is in trouble owo.
all i say is. "having a backup plan is good" for situations like this. i dont say that he/she needs to jump now and getting in an instant a job xD thats their call to make anyways.

DoomMaGeddon

4 years, 7 months ago

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Eh, where do you even take this from? I even said I do think art is a job, for Cthulhu's sake. I know what the point of her journal is, and I did state I understand and support it. But then I saw her asking "what do you consider a job?" and found it an interesting question, so I replied with my own opinion about it. I was even showing concern, worry, about her in case she doesn't get enough to pay her stuff, I've seen a lot of journals from artists desperately asking for money in exchange of overworking themselves. It makes me worry.

And quit quoting "real job" as if you're implying I said art is not a real job. I could even copy-paste parts where I say that I do consider art a real job. And please, calm down a bit before replying. I can feel hostility from your words, all because you didn't understand a thing from my comment.

Chira

4 years, 7 months ago

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ooh god calm a bit doooown. dont turn this into a fight x.x i only stated an opinion and bunny asked what i really mean, i replied to bunny that it is only an opinion which everyone has. if bunnybits handles it as her job, so be it o.o all fine here.

this discussion is already over o.o if i had known that someone would attack (i see it as an attack tho) bunnybits so openly cause she says "artwork is my job!" had i never poked about it =w= tho, i hope bunnybits knows what it means to say "that is my job" for me means it basicly that she draws atleast 6~8 hours per day (except for weekends and possible vacations in between that) and here is the point about "it would turn into a chore" if something turns into a chore stops it to make fun ... an artist which has anymore fun to draw something decreases rapidly in quality or rushes their work which is aswell a decrease in quality. oh ya edit, before someone missunderstands that. no, i didnt seen any decrease in quality on bunnybits artworks yet. all isay is "it could happen" x3 which may never happens so~ =3

and THAT is the reason why i say "artwork should stay as a hobby and not turning into a job" if i had known that this turns into a huge discussion with kind of agressive results had i talked in private with bunnybits about it =w= so and now, ask i ya both, end the topic about this now? pretty please? thanks ^-^

DoomMaGeddon

4 years, 7 months ago

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This subject should be cut down, yeah. But I don't think someone involved here thinks art isn't a job >.>

Keeran

4 years, 7 months ago

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Buddy, anything where you offer a product or service in exchange for money is a job. All income is taxable. As someone who has done single day construction work for pay straight out of grade school, I wholeheartedly disagree.

Just because you may not be guaranteed work at some point doesn't make it any less of a job. Just means you don't have job security.
Plus, some jobs especially in retail are based on commission. your income is dependent on what you sell or make tips.

DoomMaGeddon

4 years, 7 months ago

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Yeah, I guess you're right ^^

Chira

4 years, 7 months ago

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oi bunny 'w' please calm down >w> it is only my opinion xwx.
what i basicly mean is. you should have somehow a backup thing like ... how to explain it, here comes my amazing english @w@ ... ehm *coughs* like example. one of ya months runs not that well... so your "normal job" may saves you over the month etc.

like you would have a money source where you can say yep, i get this every week/2 weeks/month (depending where ya live).
being only an artist gives you certainly no stable income. you have to rely on it how many peoples support and/or comission you. (or buying your products/comics etc. owo)

bringing youtube in here is a bad thing to do. you (and i am sure you did) seen probably often enough how youtubers fell into their ruin cause they relied too much on youtube.

and since you mentitioned the pandemic, its nice from you that you care but, i doubt it that i get fired. am in home office and the stuff which i do is lots of paper stuff which needs to be handled. but leme say this, let me say i loose my job. now let me say i am a bunnybits patron/supporter. BUT! now loose i my job. do you think i could keep my patron support up? and now apply this to everyone (cause the pandemic affects not only me). if peoples loose their jobs cant they support artists cause they have no money. thats why i said, being only an artist at THIS TIME and rely too much on it that others comission you or support you might be a really bad choice.

so back to the opinion stuff.
if you feel safe with being an artist is that totally fine. if you want to do that as your job is that totally fine too. it is your opinion and the thing which you want to do. but to be fair, i give you that point. at the moment is it not safe to rely on anything money income wise xP. but still, imagine you would´ve had just a lil part time job. the pirate stuff maybe wouldnt impact so much on you like it does now. sure its an asshole move to pirate and its sad that it happened. still, a job would clearly help you out now.

by the way, who is that robin hood o-o? (maybe i should google it)
i hope ya stay well and find a solution to all this >.< and let ppls have their opinion 'w'

Chira

4 years, 7 months ago

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ok ignore the robin hood thing, i just seen in the comments that you explained it to someone else owo

soulgryph

4 years, 7 months ago

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The sad part to me is without artists furry art wouldn't exist the way it does today. Almost every furry says at least one Disney film in the past that got them into furry or yiff art (for those who are in it for the porn). Yet none of them took the time to realize that if Disney never paid the artists they wouldn't ever have enjoyed the films. Each film that helped mold their life took a ton more artists.Without their art we would be a less developed community and Id venture to say that reaches out to the world as a whole.

Art as been around for Thousands of years for a reason. It portrays what we feel whether that be happy, sad or horny. Showing our emotion helps us cope better with everyday life.

As someone who's also trying to make it as an artist. It saddens me to see blatant piracy (even when I'm a consumer of said piracy) If the community would help us get threw life we would probably be okay with scratching their back with free content all the time.. I for one would be more than happy to provide all of my work free of charge if I could reasonably survive off my art in the process.

You all want art *Including me* but you don't realize that we spend 50-60 hours working art a week on average. to be paid the equivalent of minimum wage. I worked 2 - 70 hours weeks this last month and was so utterly tired of it I took the last week of the month off. If that's not hard enough work to respect the grind. None of the people complaining really deserve what they have either.

soulgryph

4 years, 7 months ago

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I really needed to vent my feelings... please dont take this too far... none of what I said was a lie though.

Bunnybits

4 years, 7 months ago

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@ soulgryph

And not only drawings but any art form suffers the same fate, saddly

SentinelX

4 years, 7 months ago

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Does this mean it's the end of the New Bonds comic?

KaiBun

4 years, 7 months ago

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@ SentinelX

New bonds is still continuing as its commissioned ^^

FrumpyDelight

4 years, 7 months ago

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Robin Hood? Is that like a well-known pirate or someone just using the moniker?

Bunnybits

4 years, 7 months ago

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@ FrumpyDelight

what i call robin hood mentality is when someone steals goods (like comics or patreon exclusives) to then publish it for free thinking theyre doing the community a favor.
I would imagine they think like this:

"How dare that snobby artist paywall something from us? I will release it for free, so those poor plebians can enjoy something they are entitled to"

meanwhile those same "poor plebians" earns 3 times what an artist does every month...

DoomMaGeddon

4 years, 7 months ago

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Except me lol I am an actual poor pleb

Bunnybits

4 years, 7 months ago

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as long as you don't steal, we can both be poor plebs together

DoomMaGeddon

4 years, 7 months ago

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I can't steal as I can't pay for that lol, I wouldn't pay for something to post it for free either. So we can make a brotherhood of poor plebs xD

FrumpyDelight

4 years, 7 months ago

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Thanks for the explanation.

Chira

4 years, 7 months ago

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i would fight against the word

"	meanwhile those same "poor plebians" earns 3 times what an artist does every month...

there are ... some artists which ... charge like 150USD per picture. thats about 140€ here. ALONE WITH THAT could i easily live for 1 month. food wise. (cause i live alone) so now leme say i do 4 more comissions ... and my month is bill wise fully paid.

and ... i know that if an artist has the skill and is motivated can he/she draw MULTIBLE pictures during 1 day.
so, i would say ... if an artist takes leme say 100USD per comission and ... draws ... let me say 1 picture per day are that at the end 2800~3100USD at the end of the month. thats like ... twice as much what i get from my rl job Ö.Ö. yes i know, an artist would need to buy equipment like pc, tablet etc. but even then ... artists often have that already.

so i totally say that artists like that probably earn more then someone with an average job.
i seen it often enough (i watched many artist streams) that a really good picture (if the skill is there, like i said before) can be done in 6~8 hours. you work irl 6~8 hours too.

tho my theory is "if you live alone" it looks ofcourse different if you have a family with a bigger home etc. THEEEEEN looks everything suddenly different x3 but ... living alone with an income of 2800USD+ is ... wao OwO. tho i doubt that an artist ever gets 28+ comissions @w@ my theory is aswell an OPTIMAL comission month xD

Bunnybits

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I'm far from making 3k per month and also where I live Im able to save a tiny bit of money but it all goes to pay bills and food.
Let me also remind you that there are taxes on top of that, and that I earn my money in USD that I have to convert to Euro losing 15% just on that, and also after giving PayPal its cut.
It's not as simple as making 100€ and keeping it all for myself.

Chira

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well, o.o ever thought about it to say "in € not USD" o-o?
like example; when i do a comission to clynde do i the payment as gift. therefore pay i the fees which comes with the € into USD and the transaction fee o.o. as far as i know takes paypal per transaction 2,50€ ö_ö. i honestly never paid more. the fees from € to USD are aswell already in the transaction aswell. like at this moment is 1€ 1,18 USD but when you look on paypal is it 1€=1,13 USD i asked them in the past why the heck there is such a huge difference between that like always 5~6cent per $ they said that the fees for each $ into € is already in that. so ... it shouldnt really affect you since the person which comissions you pays that already. tho, for the rest. i never did a transaction from paypal to my bank account ... so iunno how much paypal chomps off there ._.

and like i said, what i wrote would be aswell an optimal month (like everyday 1 comission) which is very unlikely. an artist never draws not 1 pic per day due to real life. THO! if an artist says "it is my job" ... and i go that far now x3, is it fair to say "wait, its your job right? so you dedicate atleast 6~8 hours of your day for artwork"+ i took not the weekends into account either >-<! but nya. again, in theory would an artist get more then someone with an average job. peoples with jobs need to pay taxes too. they have their broto and netto aswell. its not like their boss dosnt noms money away from their loan to pay needed things owo.

DoomMaGeddon

4 years, 7 months ago

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I think it's a sad yet understandable and logical decision. I've never been a fan of paying for porn unless it's personalized (i.e. commissions), and I never liked it, mainly cuz I don't think it's worth it (with this I mean paying for something that will stop turning you on/arousing you/serving as mat quite soon) or I just can't afford it. However, I despise when people post for free something that should be purchases. It's directly disrespecting the artist.

Btw you should probably delete that TL;DR part. It's quite unnecessary, and it may just be me, but I find it kinda rude.

Anyways, good luck with your thing! I hope you'll be able to live off your art, if it's your dream, soon enough! =3

Bunnybits

4 years, 7 months ago

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Yeah i mean i post free stuff here on IB once every two days, can't do much better than this, i don't understand why some people feel like they need to have everything all the time.

DoomMaGeddon

4 years, 7 months ago

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I know, I'm not, in any way, saying you should post everything you do for free. I am grateful for every bit of work you do that I can enjoy for free. You shouldn't think too much about it, though. People are stupid. Remember what Karens are. Remember that there are people who believe the Earth is flat. You'll understand why then xD

Bunnybits

4 years, 7 months ago

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i'm not gonna call those thiefs "stupid", i'll call them what they are: Thiefs.

I do have to think much about it tho, cus at the end of the month, if too many "stupid people" keep stealing my stuff, i won't be able to pay my rent

DoomMaGeddon

4 years, 7 months ago

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I mean that you don't have to think too much about *why* some people post your stuff for free or think they're entitled to it.

theallseeingeye

4 years, 7 months ago

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that sucks

RedHerrington

4 years, 7 months ago

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As if 2020 could any worse. The twins' wacky escapades will be missed (at least those in comic form).

BEASTofTURIN

4 years, 7 months ago

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I find absurd that even today, despite the more affordable prices, there are still people who still pirate online comics; without even taking into account the efforts behind it.
I'm really very sorry for what happened to you, and I hope this fact doesn't definitively derail the projects you were talking about.
Among other things, I almost took a hit, because I realized that your latest comic was no longer available online...but fortunately
I misunderstood and it is still available...and I just bought it (and I will also guard it very jealously) ;)

Don't get down on those assh*les, continue with your work, with your passion, and those who follow you will know how to thank and reward you.

Bunnybits

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@ BEASTofTURIN

I am so thankful to everyone who gives value to my work, I'll keep working on more bunny stuff, unfortunately, crowd funded projects take way more time to reach their goal, and not everyone is willing to contribute.

My idea for selling the comics as i do now is that it's a fair price for everyone, and i don't rely on like 5 guys to fund the whole comic, that's really not fair for them.

Clara

4 years, 7 months ago

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Damn that’s terrible, and I’m sorry that happened to you ;;v;
This is what scares me about completing a whole comic to sell, all it takes is one jerk to make months of work basically meaningless. And no consideration as to what that means for you.
I know right now passion for making a comic right now is probably lost, but if you ever felt the itch to do it again in the past I’ve tried asking for donations for certain pages completed.
I always gave 2 pages free a month but donations helped me work on more pages for that month.

And right now with my new comic (with adult characters!, I’d suggest subscribestar, or ko-fi like you were doing for cub n stuff) I’m posting 3 pages ahead of public, and taking tips on patreon,where people can see it early. That might help when it comes to someone releasing your full comic.

Either way I hope things flow smoothly for you and your decision <3

Bunnybits

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@ Clara

I will probably focus on commissioned comics but those feature characters that aren't mine and they're not my stories.
My lil buns will appear from time to time on some commissioned pics and maybe kofi rewards but for now the whole comic thing isn't too appealing...

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Thats sad... Disable right click...

I cant support every artist I love.. But I try and support this platform as my income allows as a thank you for what all of you share,,  It sucks that we gotta tolerate this mess..  I do sub work for a guy who invented a device that is used in the Olympics and the NBA..   Has several patents on it too.. A couple of years ago someone tried to literally steal his ideas and patents..
It cost him a lot of money but he got them shut down.. but for how long?  It scared him so bad he re invented everything and applied for additional patents..and received them too...

Again for how long?

It's sad,,,  I wish you luck on this.. and I know you are not alone.

Bunnybits

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Oh i can't even imagine having to fight against thiefs in court, that has to be so stressful :o
Hope it goes well for you and your business partner! As you said, it's a question of when will problems appear again...

blindrabbit

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In the near 20 years I have known him he has literally had his hair turn grey and has to have meds for high blood pressure...

It also has cost him his marriage, and his first home because of stress and constant traveling.. He was never home to keep the maintenance up on the home so he sold it and lives in a travel trailer on his manufacturing plant here in NC,..

Saglinger

4 years, 7 months ago

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You ever want to out someone for stealing paid content, but also don't want to because the artist in question is unstable as fuck, and will probably take it very very badly(NOTE: Neither party in this instance are you. I don't know if this guy stole from you or not, but I know he's stolen content from other artists).

Bunnybits

4 years, 7 months ago

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i have no idea who stole the content and probably never will

TobyBaggins

4 years, 7 months ago

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*hugs Bunnybits*

I am sorry to hear this and more sorry that some people make rude comments like that to you. You have ever right protect your work. It's my dream to find something I can do that I love and make a living with it too, like you.

Keep up your spirits and thank you for sharing your art here.

KillaLotus119

4 years, 7 months ago

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I saw the comic somewhere else but when I read this and saw it was pirated I sent you some money on Kofi. Always love your stuff so you deserve to get paid for it.

king666

4 years, 7 months ago

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sad to hear but understandable.
i thinking having the option fans to fund each pages is a good idea

VoidNameDude

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Piracy is a fact of life. #YouWouldntDownloadACar

What you have to do is find a better way to make money. Maybe make your own site to put your own ads, just like what

lumineko

and Shadman did. Or maybe you can form a subscription group with other artists, cub or otherwise, like Hardblush but bigger. Moving to a country with a lower cost of living is also worth a try, or trying doing a second job as a SFW artist under completely different name.

Whatever it is, piracy is nothing new. Yiff.party is just another Limewire. What you have to do is to find a less invasive way to get $$$. A good thing to focus on is trying to make paid works easy and convenient.

SadisticCra

4 years, 7 months ago

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That sucks that they being pirated and miss the twins comics especially since they were always cute and sexy.

Also reminds me I need to try to commission you at some point

Otlan

4 years, 7 months ago

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Really wish I knew how to hack and make computer Viruses -_- . I'd teach these fuckers a lesson about fucking with people trying to make a liveing -_- .

SpaceCheeseWizard

4 years, 7 months ago

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I loved the comic. Thanks for making it!

WolfeChan

4 years, 7 months ago

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Very sad! Hope things go better for you!

DemonicPigeon

4 years, 7 months ago

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This is awful! Your hard work deserves to be compensated & people stealing your art is just a new low. Pirates ruin everything

Kittymew

4 years, 7 months ago

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The problem with your art is that in some countries, it falls into a legal grey area, and having a paper trail to pay for it is very dangerous. While the ethical thing to do is to simply not buy it, someone will always pirate it.

My recommendation is to talk to other comic artists, because piracy is a 100% inevitability when making exclusive content. It's not a new problem, and many people are doing it sustainably. See what they're doing different in their payment models in order to mitigate the losses? Maybe they're taking better advantage of their launch window.

I've worked in the software industry for almost 30 years. Piracy is a fact of business, and what most people are doing for DRM would land them in jail if they got caught. Even our hardware offerings have had to deal with bootleggers. The best way in our field to continue to make money is to out-innovate them.

I've loved your work for a long time so lemme know if you want to chat about it.

Bunnybits

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what you can do is contact the artist and ask if there's a different way to get said comic:
for example it is available to read on my discord server, all you gotta do is send a payment through paypal and i'll send you an invite.

Kittymew

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