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RoareyRaccoon

Inexcusable

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Edited because Inkbunny have a problem with swearing aggressively, and therefore clearly don't come from Northern England.

This isn't the first time I've come across this stuff, not even close, and frankly it's despicable. Context: I'm selling a dakimakura design via a website, stripes is one of the people who runs it, he shared the daki on his gallery to advertise it. I only just found out about these comments now, nobody told me about them, I found them myself. Two people have commented on the upload to try and bully and guilt stripes for daring to host something by me.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xq92ru7golxfbec/g6fjtg.png?dl=0

Now it's one level of pathetic to be so weak you can't deal with someone having opinions that offend you, so you go out of your way to contact them and vent your spleen at them. Another level is then trying to paint that person as being an irredeemable, evil scumbag for those opinions, like they're as bad as criminals who actually hurt people. This, though? Going after someone else entirely, giving them a nasty piece of your mind for having even the slightest connection to the person you're smearing?

It's not just sad, to be so unable to cope with contrary views that you have to see someone as being evil just so you don't have to think about anything, that you also need to go try to manipulate others into thinking the same way you do. It's deeply unethical. How does anyone justify this? I'm serious, what process in your mind makes this acceptable, makes you so unaccountable that it's just fine to screw with people? I draw cartoons you find offensive, tough titty witty woo woos, deal with it like an adult.

Harassing people for having the slightest connection to someone else you don't like is just plain shitty. End of. Even I don't do it and I'm supposed to be the bad guy.
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BlaueRatte
BlaueRatte
5 years, 2 months ago
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That's the fandom how I know it. You associate with someone they don't like and they pull stuff like that. Character assassinations, threats, guilt tripping, blackmail, dirty laundry. The fandom is one big kindergarten. And if you don't concede, they'll make you the next un-person.

You and stripes got my deepest sympathy.
RoareyRaccoon
RoareyRaccoon
5 years, 2 months ago
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Aye, indeed, and it needs to stop. It will undoubtedly kill the whole fandom off.
SidneyKenson
SidneyKenson
5 years, 2 months ago
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Hello in the fandom. I mean yes, you might do something I don't appreciate, but heck, that's your business. I don't have to like it. I may say to you "Well, I personally don't find it good" but what you do with that is your part then.
RoareyRaccoon
RoareyRaccoon
5 years, 2 months ago
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Exactly, perfectly reasonable attitude, if you don't like an artist you can simply not support them, buy from them or follow their content. Nothing remotely wrong with that whatsoever. Trying to screw with their business or reputation because one doesn't like their political views, though? That shit is bananas.
TheRevengeX11
TheRevengeX11
5 years, 2 months ago
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" I draw cartoons you find offensive, tough titty witty woo woos, deal with it like an adult.


This got a sensible giggle out of me.
ScottySkunk
ScottySkunk
5 years, 2 months ago
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I think they got bit by the cancel culture bug. Not the first time i've heard of people attacking others business partners, sponcers (youtubers often) and other money sources. It's fine to not like someone else, but that doesn't give them the right to harrass others for it.
RoareyRaccoon
RoareyRaccoon
5 years, 2 months ago
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Oh aye, I've seen it many times. Even a couple years ago I did some adoptable character auction thing, and one of the buyers asked me to take it back, because people were giving them shit that they had a character I'd designed. That's just me though, I've seen a great deal of it directed at other artists. Usually because they draw cub art.
ScottySkunk
ScottySkunk
5 years, 2 months ago
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Ouch. That's terrible.  Well as a someone who enjoys furry and cub art, i learned to separate politics and lewds. I dont HAVE to agree with everything someone says and i dont need to be outraged... I wish more people would do that but people seem a bit more politic crazy these days.

That said. No one is perfect, especially not me. Lol.

I am curious what the character was. I bet it was a cutie. XD
RoareyRaccoon
RoareyRaccoon
5 years, 2 months ago
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I think really it isn't even political, the motivation behind the behaviour is simply resentful spite and a will to abuse language and authority to mess with other people's lives. With a big political banner on the front of it to pretend like disgusting behaviour has an important cause behind it. But what cause worth fighting for is served by cowardly means? I say none.
ScottySkunk
ScottySkunk
5 years, 2 months ago
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You make a solid point. It really does seem like people using politics to try to get their way via spite.

Now me.  I want some fox butt lol
taurex
taurex
5 years, 2 months ago
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you don't deserve to have an income, a life or health if you wrongthink.
Salmy
Salmy
5 years, 2 months ago
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That is the furry fandom lately for you :S I actually feel dissapointed by those who, being into the 'most despicable of kinks' according to the social justice movement, they try so hard to be one of those by calling others out, in a feeble attempt to fit in a movement that will kick them out sooner or later because of what they like.

I really hope these things wouldn't affect Inkbunny, but they do o.o

You and
Stripes
Stripes
have my full and unconditional support. I know you both in person, and I know you're good people. That's what really matters to me.

As for ... too much swearing censorship here? Really? wow :o Sorry to hear that too >_<
Stripes
Stripes
5 years, 2 months ago
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Thank you SO much! That's very sweet of you, and your support is much appreciated :3

Despite everything I still think InkBunny is one of the friendliest sites I'm part of. Every fandom has its share of people like this, its not easy to escape, though InkBunny's culture seems to contain the more accepting portion of it.

Either way, thank you again for your kind words ^^
KevinSnowpaw
KevinSnowpaw
5 years, 1 month ago
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Love him or hate him your running a business roary is a customer not every fucking thing needs to be about politics a social groups. I'm sorry some people are upset that your helping distribute a product with roary art on it but I proud of you for being professional throughout and keeping things simple.
Stripes
Stripes
5 years, 1 month ago
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Thank you for that ^^

I try to maintain an air of professionalism with my business. I also try to be open and understanding as a general principle. Not sure why people think its okay to pull this kind of stuff, nut they do and we just have to deal with it the best we can.
KevinSnowpaw
KevinSnowpaw
5 years, 1 month ago
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I dont like FURRIES and GAY PEOPLE! REEEEEEEEEE DONT SELL THERE SHIT!!! HOW DARE YOU YOU SUPPORT X Y or Z!!! You monster you know what you DID!


Infantile bullshit....if people dont want to support Roary dont buy his crap.
Stripes
Stripes
5 years, 1 month ago
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Simple solutions are, well, simple. gotta be really abstract and convoluted to make a statement I guess xD
TravisTRetriever
TravisTRetriever
5 years, 1 month ago
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That last visible line from Roarey's screencap from you: "I don't get involved in politics, I just make art and help others with theirs."
Fuck me, I could kiss you irl for that.  If the furry fandom was all people like this, it would actually be what the folks making those lame attempts at furry 'memes' whining about the haters make it out to be.

You are a gentlemen and a scholar. :)
Stripes
Stripes
5 years, 1 month ago
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Why thank you! I appreciate that, tis very kind of you to day :3

I try. Just being open and honest, its important to be true to yourself and what you believe in.
Ameinias
Ameinias
5 years, 1 month ago
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That's very good to hear. Do you have any plans how to deal with the likes of Kubok who spread left-wing hate towards other users on IB?
Salmy
Salmy
5 years, 1 month ago
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No, because we believe in free speech. It's sad for me, having known kupok for a long time as well to see how him and other cub fans around have become like this. It's not left or right anymore, it's the fucking social justice movement, which yeah, was born on the left wing. You can't be a leftist anymore without abiding to all of their 'culture', which is a shame. Very polarizing and intolerant. Hope most of them will come back to their senses and learn that you can be leftist or right-ist without being totally intollerant to the other position.
Delquea
Delquea
5 years, 1 month ago
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" Salmy wrote:
Hope most of them will come back to their senses and learn that you can be leftist or right-ist without being totally intollerant to the other position.


I hope so too, problem is, sooooo many right-wings here have pretty much convinced themselves that a single leftist opinion is "Evil" and "Anti-American"  which bothers me in more ways than it should (Is a Conservative but also have left-wing views as well)
alistair
alistair
5 years, 1 month ago
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" Delquea wrote:
I hope so too, problem is, sooooo many right-wings here have pretty much convinced themselves that a single leftist opinion is "Evil" and "Anti-American"  which bothers me in more ways than it should (Is a Conservative but also have left-wing views as well)


Yeah, but it's hard to blame them.  I know there are many like myself who started on what one might call the "left," and without any of our personal values changing, suddenly started being treated as though we were on the "right" by everyone else claiming to be "left."  A purity spiral began, and the line delineating what values constitute "the left" contracted faster and faster.  For several years, it sure looked like it was only the "left" behaving so atrociously to everyone not in ideological lock-step, even family members, and regular people caught in a social conflict they didn't understand started getting a very reasonable knee-jerk emotional reaction.

I'm only now starting to see small pockets of moral authoritarianism from what could legitimately be called the "right" starting to appear again.  Years of being treated like dirt, and now they're hardened.  Which is exactly what many of us predicted was going to happen when the Social Justice ideology started to take over everything.

Personally I think, so long as we keep an eye on things and fight back for righteous principles everywhere we can, against whoever is behaving poorly left or right, we can prevent or mitigate the next cultural swing from being the nightmare it could become.  An advantage of so many of us former "left" folks have now is we're awake to the danger, and we're learning how to resist both sides when they go wrong.
Delquea
Delquea
5 years, 1 month ago
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Edited 5 years, 1 month ago by Owner
Which brings up my next point, the fact some people successfully deluded themselves to where the argument "Both sides have some negatives" is treated as an opposition argument and is to be ignored. We basically made it to the point where any valid and logical argument is treated as an "agenda" to where you really can't express anything without someone claiming you're in the wrong. I say that because I've encountered people on both sides who are so deluded its why I became apolitical. It use to be amusing to me but now its just annoying, especially when it comes from people obsessed with politics and can't seem to mentally function without getting political.
Salmy
Salmy
5 years, 1 month ago
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Yeah, with 'them' I included both left and right-wingers. It's an escalating war that won't have a happy ending if it continues.
Ameinias
Ameinias
5 years, 1 month ago
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According to the left, free speech is only about what the state does, not what a company, an organisation, an individual or a website does. According to them it's not anti-free-speech if you were to ban them. So ban them.
Salmy
Salmy
5 years, 1 month ago
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That'd mean we'd have a bias towards the 'other side', and we're not going to take sides, but to try to keep the balance and, hopefully, the debate as civil as possible.
joykill
joykill
5 years, 2 months ago
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Haters got to hate. Sad but true
GreenFur
GreenFur
5 years, 2 months ago
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" joykill wrote:
Haters got to hate. Sad but true

I like to say "You have the right to be "offended" but I have the Right NOT TO CARE" if they have a problem with my art then THEY are the ones with the problem; NOT ME
--GF
Stripes
Stripes
5 years, 2 months ago
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Not gonna lie, the way you worded parts of this got a chuckle out of me. The opening about Northern England and swearing, titty witty woo woos, and such made me smile and I always enjoy when someone can sprinkle in some light-heartedness into serious topics ^^

As for the topic itself, I agree. Its bad enough when people come after you just because they don't agree with what you have to say. That I could let go depending on the action taken, because an opinion is an opinion and not everyone is going to agree. Its when you start trying to hurt or defame someone that I start taking offense, because that person wasn't doing anything but speaking their mind. Disagreement is no reason to try and oust someone, regardless of what the opinion is.

That's speaking nothing of going after people associated with the person you disagree with. You can't rattle the person you actually have a problem with, so you go after people they know instead? That's several levels of messed up, and I'm not a proponent of that. Its an underhanded notion that's not okay, and it shows you lack a certain sense of decency.

Personally I just brush it off, its just a cheap trick so why let it get to me? Not everyone can do that, though, especially if the people coming for you are those you viewed as close. Even if you think you're doing right by it there are several other ways to go about making your point, and in a less destructive way. People have their own thoughts, feelings, and opinions and that's just how it is.
RoareyRaccoon
RoareyRaccoon
5 years, 2 months ago
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Yah the journal was initially deleted by staff who gave me a final warning because I've been so nasty to people over the years for swearing at them and calling them honest insults rather than being emotionally manipulative and dishonestly, slyly insulting people in careful language. Chances are, because I type like I talk, a working-class northern Englishman, riddled with expletives, because I'm not a university educated champagne socialist, my time on this site is likely limited. It is extremely unfortunate that in an adult site featuring porn, porn pretty much nowhere else in the fandom allows for that matter, we have the same sort of 'everybody not-staff is a baby in kindergarten who needs mommy to intervene in arguments' mentality in how it is run. I don't like reporting people for saying shitty things to me, it feels like I'm an informant for soviet secret police, only it's being played through the medium of interpretive dance on an episode of fucking Teletubbies. So if people are shite to me, I'm shite back, until one of us gets bored or we block eachother. Problem solved. However, they report me, and the staff act on it because I'm not a dishonest little weasel who tailors words so I can say awful things without saying them directly. It is absurd to me that this kind of moderation even exists in the first place, when block functions exist. But hey, a principle is a principle and one of mine is to be genuine, so I guess at some point my ten-plus years on this website are going up in smoke. Fun while it lasted XP.

Anyway, I appreciate the fuck out of you for sticking to your guns and having my silly cartoon shit on your site.
Stripes
Stripes
5 years, 2 months ago
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I can see being offended by swearing, though less so with using honest insults and such. If all you're doing is insulting them for being hurtful and manipulative, they should be the ones receiving warnings. At the very least if you're seen to be in the wrong anyway then you shouldn't be the only one being punished. Seems kinda backwards, you don't punish the person responding to the problem, or if you do for being involved then don't do so as harshly.

Something people often forget is that we're all adults here (I'm hoping anyway, if those underage are trying to take part that's an issue all its own) and we're all capable of acting as such. I can't speak for the staff of this site or any other, but if someone is being rude to you I feel you have the right to defend yourself even if that means being rude back. We're in a fandom that places a high priority on porn, pretty sure we left half our dignity at the door xD

Hopefully your time isn't limited. I don't know you personally, but my interactions with you have been pleasant and I will never fault someone for speaking their mind. Doesn't matter where they come from, everyone should be themselves and different places effect that in different ways. That sort of diversity can lead to unity, and that should be celebrated.

Yeah, with the block function you'd think that'd be enough. Being creative with your words is all well and good, but such tactics should be saved for when making your case to the person you have an issue with; not for going behind their back and complaining to someone of power to get your way. Back in the day blocking was just how you ended something, it meant whether right or wrong things were over. Not anymore apparently, blocking just ticks people off and they use it as an excuse to further their negative indulgences.

Thank you for that! I appreciate it x3 Thank you for standing your ground and working with me as well, both here and on the site. I find it inspiring, and look forward to future endeavors together :)
aeolicservant
aeolicservant
5 years, 2 months ago
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I can easily say as somebody who disagrees with almost all of the stances and opinions you've voiced: that anybody who straight up feels the need to harass you or any of your peers really is a snowflake that needs to get a thicker skin. Bashing somebody because they are acquainted with you is the most high school clique bullshit I've ever seen
RoareyRaccoon
RoareyRaccoon
5 years, 2 months ago
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Innit.
AsherTye
AsherTye
5 years, 2 months ago
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Edited 5 years, 2 months ago by Owner
GIFT in action.

Odd how Kupok or whatever his name is seems to feel his reasons for being offended are just so common knowledge everyone should be able to make the connection.
RoareyRaccoon
RoareyRaccoon
5 years, 2 months ago
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Lol I know, I'm not a particularly popular or well-known artist.
MarcusKoopa
MarcusKoopa
5 years, 2 months ago
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... I kinda hate to say it but.. Welcome to 2020. Until the woke bubble bursts completely and the next wave of kids who make up the majority of the fandom turn conservative, this is how it's going to work.
RoareyRaccoon
RoareyRaccoon
5 years, 2 months ago
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2020? This crap has been a problem for way longer than that XP.
MarcusKoopa
MarcusKoopa
5 years, 2 months ago
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True, but we're reaching Peak Woke Rage
Simic
Simic
5 years, 2 months ago
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That is twilight zone of this year and other stuff. People get petty over nonsense and unprofessional. It makes artstation community look mature.
GreenPika
GreenPika
5 years, 1 month ago
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fuckthefuckingfuckers
ThaPig
ThaPig
5 years, 1 month ago
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The fandom was not like this. It used to all about sharing art and having fun without minding people's opinions on unrelated topics. Only recently it has been infected by the infantile minds that wage war on anyone who doesn't conform to their narrowminded view of everything.

And I think most of the fandom is still good, I have friends here with all kinds of political opinions that are contrary to mine, but I don't care because I come here for the furry art and I love everyone's art. We can all still have fun here if we have a little maturity.
MarcusKoopa
MarcusKoopa
5 years, 1 month ago
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The average member of the fandom is 14 and American. Our school system is so insanely corrupt the teachers are scrambling to force kids and parents into NDAs about what they're being taught and to essentially ban conservative parents from viewing it at all. Once you do the math, the answer to why furry sucks is fairly obvious.
HeavyHeart
HeavyHeart
5 years, 1 month ago
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Yeah, I notice people get offended easily. I got over that when I quit booze (I am well aware of my own reputation. It was probably well earned, as I was detoxing, ANYTHING could set me off).

Now I have a lot thicker skin. Indeed, I first really began to watch you BECAUSE of someone who thought you were horrible. Me, I am a metalhead, and a misanthrope. I DON'T fucking mind excessive swearing, or controversial opinions, quite so much as I had in my past. Even if I don't agree with an opinion, I figure it's their right to hold their opinion, so I decided I would rather look for someone who's opinions align more with my own, than seeking out those who disagree.
ZwolfJareAlt306
ZwolfJareAlt306
5 years, 1 month ago
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" Even if I don't agree with an opinion, I figure it's their right to hold their opinion, so I decided I would rather look for someone who's opinions align more with my own, than seeking out those who disagree.

With you 1000% on this.
HeavyHeart
HeavyHeart
5 years, 1 month ago
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It took me some pulling my head out of my ass, but I think I am getting the "head removal" process figured out lol.
ZwolfJareAlt306
ZwolfJareAlt306
5 years, 1 month ago
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:)
Soulfire
Soulfire
5 years, 1 month ago
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Ok wow tons of stuff going on.  If i may interject a thought. To anyone who crusades against language and the expression of ideas.  You either have to stand firmly on the line and respect the basis that all such speech is allowable or you have to admit you are taking a stance. You cannot censor any expression as this or that without falling from grace... Once you stray from the position of defending the freedom of all expression you are guilty of being guided not by the noble ideal but of your own moral views on life.

There is no argument one can make for censoring one thing and not another that will absolve you from this fact.  

I see people trying to argue this point "oh our rules, oh our policy" etc etc. Either everyone shares in the censorship of anything that offends or your just cherry picking things that apply to your own code of ethics. Just admit it and move on!

A word on offense. The idea that one should be free from anything that offends in life is laughable and i pity those who do not have the strength to deal with life as it is. Crying " i'm offended" in today's world is intellectually dishonest. Most of it is done to signal to others socially rather than and actual expression of being upset.  But again the same standard applies. One cannot label one thing as offensive and not another without straying from the line.
 
If i were to say im offended by people who take offense i would be ignored. Why? Because being offending by anything other than what a certain segment of society is "offended" at is just either wrong or ignored.  EVERYONE KNOWS AND SEES THIS. Stop trying to pretend otherwise.  

And lastly a word about the difference between tolerance versus acceptance. One maybe able to enforce tolerance, it would be a simple thing to do censor anyone who shows a lack of tolerance for anything.. tolerance means even tho i do not agree with something i am tolerating it to exist and do its thing.

Unfortunately many people try to take upon themselves the role of making things accepted. Not only is this folly it will NEVER happen. You cannot force acceptance of an issue. Those that cannot see that, and there are many that i have seen linked to this issue, you are fools.

Little people do not like the word "midget" they say its offensive. Its not, they are wrong. Why?  What they are objecting to is being perceived by some people a certain way. Anyone can take any word and using tone of speech only can imply meaning way beyond the definition of the word itself. Instead of addressing the issue hey we don't like to be put down it comes out as these words are offensive.
The tragedy of so many groups is you cannot force others to accept you only tolerate you .

anyways i think many here will understand who and what i support

thank you .
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