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RoareyRaccoon

Thoughts RE: Zoosadism Controversy

In the time between my last journal and this I've seen the rar file containing the conversations and revolting content of animal rape and abuse and, honestly, it has knocked me for six. It's just about the worst shit I've ever seen, so I feel the need to air out my thoughts on it. I believe the logs are genuine conversations, the photos and videos are definitely real, the only thing I'm uncertain of are the names attached to those conversations. Time will tell more regarding that, I'm sure. The reason I'm sure the conversations are real is that they fall in line with everything I've learned over the years about abusers and abuse. I've always had a keen interest in psychology, even the most sinister end of it. What seals the deal for me is the language in the conversations, the happy, snuggly, supportive tone of it. It is in the nature of evil that those who aren't psychopathic beyond all empathy have a need to justify, excuse, rationalise and mitigate their actions; the more something terrible is engaged in, the stronger the justification and support is required. If you can just convince yourself that it's okay, that others are like you too, then you can live with yourself. Barely. Every person in that group knows full well what they're doing is evil, which is why they were hidden, secretive. I don't know if these people will all be caught and face justice, but I do know one thing, that they have to live with the knowledge of what they have done. In no uncertain terms, the contents of that telegram group are absolutely reprehensible, detestable and evil. Those engaged in it can comfort each other with lies all they like, pretend it's okay and that they love animals, even that they love the animals they've raped. But there's no escaping the simple fact that they have added immense suffering into a world which already has it in abundance, that they have exploited their power over animals to tear them to pieces, for their sexual gratification. Nobody truly, completely gets away with what they've done. I hope these sickening bastards live a long life, living with the knowledge of what they have done, and that they are tormented by every short little life they've ruined.

This isn't about the furry fandom, which on the whole cares for animals immensely, it's about the same thing it always is, the basic human capacity for evil and those so weak of will that they commit that evil, then try to hide from the consequences. Well, there's no hiding from them, one way or another.
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Added: 6 years, 10 months ago
 
Danjen
6 years, 10 months ago
a.) Its going to be a black mark on the fandom for a long time and arguably, rightly so - he identified as a furry so he has the baggage that comes with it

b.) "It was already dead" is a hilariously flimsy argument
chandgrit
6 years, 10 months ago
I think fucking road kill you found is not really morally wrong if you did not have any part of it's death, it would be like skinning a dead creature to sell the fur, using it's body for your own gain so it's up to the person if they think that's really a bad thing to do or not. i would not suggest anyone do it though cause it is gross, makes you seem creepy and most importantly who knows what disease you could get from doing such a thing
Ninetails2000
6 years, 10 months ago
As someone who has a morbid curiosity for investigating things like this I have to ask, is it worth it in this case to look these things up? Because it sounds like both the most fascinating thing to dig into and something that I absolutely should NOT be within ten continents of.
RoareyRaccoon
6 years, 10 months ago
Not really, it certainly isn't shit I'm happy to have seen.
smblion
6 years, 10 months ago
isn't it better to do something fun? Real life tragedy as entertainment is a problem, I think. If people are being honest about the direction we want our societies to evolve, then craving the misery of random victims and the fall of random villains is never going to get us there. That kind of bloodlust isn't healthy for the soul either, I think.

Is it really you who craves it? Or are you being convinced to crave it by people who want to see you fall? Some people make villains of dog humpers and some people make villains of those who crave suffering as entertainment.

in my humble opinion, it's a thorn bush I'd prefer to stay out of. there's a lot of safe entertainment... video games.. movies.. books.. music.. learning new things... whose got time for misery?
mickhead
6 years, 10 months ago
Well I hear there is a video in that rar file that has someone fucking the severed head of a puppy.

I'm into watching weird shit on the internet. I've laughed at someone being killed while doing "the kiki challange". That rar file is not on my list of things to gawk at.

Other videos include kuro fucking a dead deer while blood runs down his legs. A puppy tied to a log then fucked with the wide end of a baseball bat until it dies while convulsing. Repeated raping of a dog that kept trying to run away.

I have laughed at some sick and twisted shit. Okay. I will even admit some of my fetishes should never leave the play ground of the mind. I am a believer that humans are animals. But after hearing what were in those videos I can no longer believe we are animals. No we are something darker. Animals are more pure. The fact that we humans have such intelligence grants us greater access to evil. No dog could ever be as evil as humans.

We humans are monsters. I take comfort in the fact that most of us chain up the inner Id. But those fucker friends of kuro, the zoosadists. Well I hope they get to see just how monstrous humans can be. Because make no mistake in the end they all will pay.

This shit has been... Just hurting me. Ever since I saw the mrMetokur video. Just the things that are in those videos. The things that were done. How they we cutesy and snuggly about what can only be described as the actions of the most twisted evil.

That fucker has money. Fur suits are not cheap. That fucker has a trampoline. He has land. He has money to go to cons. He is the kind of person that should only know suffering! But from what I could see his life has been charmed. How can twisted evil like him be given such a blessed life. Why is my life worse then the life of that demon? Will he even see jail time? Will he even suffer at all?

I... I just can't suggest anyone subject themselves to what is there.
RoareyRaccoon
6 years, 10 months ago
I've seen the videos, there's no evidence that kero is in them. No faces are shown at any point. There is a fursuit in one of the videos and it isn't Kero's.
mickhead
6 years, 10 months ago
I was told that the one where he fucks the dead deer was confirmed to be kero.
RoareyRaccoon
6 years, 10 months ago
How they "confirmed" that is a mystery, lol.
SpoonFox
6 years, 10 months ago
What amazes me is that the 'confirmed' guy just has a slight facial structure similar to kero's and his eye color. The guy has a tattoo that Kero does not, Kero's face is slightly rounder, and his body structure is much less muscular. Any investigator will take that in account when the video is reported. The dumbass actually showed parts of himself that could lead to identification. If you're doing dark shit, rule one is not to leave identifiers like tattoos or even anything above the neck. Hell, even teenagers know that when shoplifting like the idiots they are. But eh...
Ninetails2000
6 years, 10 months ago
Aaaalright then, that's why I asked. It's one thing to look up the story behind psychologically unhealthy people and the situation they're involved in, but it's quite another to dive headfirst into something so ghoulish and wrong. I will be staying FAR away from this. This sounds like it would be actually nightmare inducing and I will have no part of it.

I'm not fueled by a craving for misery in order to have fun, but out of curiosity to learn from the failings of others. To try and find their point of view and how they could come to the conclusions they do but from what I've read from those who HAVE seen it, there's no justification, no lessons to be learned, just deranged individuals getting off on the abuse and suffering of others and that isn't something I can ever even begin to tolerate enough to even discover the facts behind it. If this ends up blowing up then it would be a severely damaging mark on the furry community and god knows we don't need any more marks on our record.
mickhead
6 years, 10 months ago
Agreed.
smblion
6 years, 10 months ago
In my 22 years as a participant in the furry fandom I've heard what I think is everything that needs to be said about this subject. But allow me to offer some ramblings...

Here's one facet which never seems to enter the conversation: How are real furries supposed to have sex if they aren't having sex with animals?

"But furries aren't real!" The SJWs would say, at which point they're not only attacking our sex lives but our dreams too. At least some of us.

"But furries are impossible!" Perhaps, but history has shown us that millions of people have been proven wrong about whats possible or impossible repeatedly, despite KNOWING deep in their very beings that they're right! They weren't. There's more to life than meets the eye, so I remain hopeful that human beings is not the end of evolution. Especially when I think about how stupid and insane most of them are.

Obviously there's a moral line drawn somewhere, but unless you personally witnessed the crime then you don't know any more about it than anyone else. How can you know if the line was crossed if you didn't see it.

You know what you can't be thrown in prison for in the United States? Saying "I fuck dogs" in a telegram message. That is not enough evidence to convict a person. People say shit all the time that isn't true. Even if you present a photograph of a guy fucking a dog you'll have to prove that it wasn't staged or photoshopped. People make convincing photos of fursuiters dryhumping all the time and you'd have a difficult time proving penetration took place.

The SJWs need to fucking die. They need to climb down from their arrogant pedestals where they judge everyone around them and realize they don't know a god damned thing about the world and they are living in their own repressed mind-bubbles. SJWs are a far greater threat to society than dog humpers.

Look at what happened in the 2016 election cycle. I can't speak for everyone but I was living a relatively peaceful life and suddenly people I thought were friends are endorsing physical violence and murder, just as long as the victims are nazis. I don't want that shit in my life at all! They're hypocrits and short-sighted and they don't know a fraction of what they think they know. Their parents have failed them by not teaching them to keep their stupid ideas to themselves.
west415bill
6 years, 10 months ago
AMEN TO THAT!
ZwolfJareAlt306
6 years, 10 months ago
With you 100% on this!
mickhead
6 years, 10 months ago
You shut your whore fucking mouth. Furries do not fuck animals. We fuck other humans. You are thinking of zoophiles. Second off they shared a video of someone fucking the severed head of a puppy!

You sick retarded fuck! How dare you even comment on this in the manner that you have. You belong inside of a bon fire! How dare you insult everyone that is against tying a puppy to a log, fucking that puppy with the broad end of a baseball bat until it convulses and dies! How dare you act like this is just a bunch of killjoy SJW's trying to be the "no fun police"

You're a sick fuck. I hope you feel ashamed of yourself.

Fuck you
Fuck you
Fuck you.
Delphinidae
6 years, 10 months ago
My oh my, aren't we offended today.
Zagroseckt
6 years, 10 months ago
hold on i recognise that description.

That video made the rounds like a decade ago.

sick as shit but old.

was kind of used as a shocker video.
if memory servs
mickhead
6 years, 10 months ago
Excuse me? "MADE THE ROUNDS!!?"

WHERE I COME FROM THAT VIDEO NEVER SHOWED UP! WHAT KIND OF SICK SHIT DO YOU JOIN IN ON!? DON'T YOU FUCKING SAY YOU SAW THAT SHIT ON 4CHAN BECAUSE I KNOW BETTER. A DECADE AGO IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT WAS POSTED TO 4CHAN THE PERSON WHO MADE THE VIDEO WOULD HAVE BEEN INTERNET HATE MACHINED TO DEATH!

YOU STUPID SICK FUCK! YOU HAVE JUST ADMITED THAT YOU ARE A VILE MONSTER! GO FUCKING DIE IN A FIRE!
RoareyRaccoon
6 years, 10 months ago
The fuck are you doing? Quit looking for people to vent your spleen on like the way someone words a sentence can make them scum. It bloody well doesn't. People do in fact use horrendous content as shock images, I remember some months back when someone spammed FA with images of dead children, killed in extremely violent circumstances. A few people I know saw child porn spammed on twitter. The most vile content can indeed "make the rounds" when disgusting motherfuckers spam it to shock the hell out of people.
Zagroseckt
6 years, 10 months ago
Wow caps much.
if memory servs it was a bunch of shit posts... or a fake torrent.. dont remember the exact ran into crap a few times try not to preticurly mark the time and date and what i was doing when i saw it like some sicko.

i'm guessing your around early to mid 20's and this is the first time youve run into sick shit.

you'll run into more. Welcome to the internet.
Where everything exsests weather you want it or not.

4chan / 8 chan has ben hit with the worst before so dont act like you know. when thy find it they obletorate it.
it's why i stopped going there.

now controle your rage. before you blow a brane vessel..
Zagroseckt
6 years, 10 months ago
Well well just as some one looking at this as a third person i'm suprised at your vitrial regardless of content
blowing up the way you did at me becos i ran across crap that most active serfers run across at some point in there websplorations the emediut blame and shit then i find this buty of a post YOU made on your one and only post

"This place has become a place of joy for me. Other people may look upon what kind of things get posted here and see it as the worse kind of filth. They can no understand what kind of place this is. Granted what goes on here isn't for every one, but it is a safe place none the less. We are good people here, we may have our demons but we seek to make what is dark in us a place of light and safety. We are not monsters and we don't want to be monsters. This is my first post and it has nothing to do with porn and thats alright. In the end I hope others share my viewpoints no matter how depressing they may be"
https://inkbunny.net/s/661183

i do agree with the Last line tho.

"Stay safe and try to enjoy life where you can."  Or try to anyway.



smblion
6 years, 10 months ago
> You sick retarded fuck! How dare you even comment on this in the manner that you have. You belong inside of a bon fire!

wow. I feel obligated to let you know I'm an American and I carry a gun.

You should probably seek psychiactric help.
DevilKrin
6 years, 10 months ago
Well I dunno about all of the claims are being true or not, but one of my good friends was targeted on that list, and this would be my only rebuttal to the "proof" submitted by the Zoosadist person-guy-thing.

"Screenshots" are kind of hard to be cited as 100% definite proof for your accusation. Why? Well, lemme provide an example. This can be easily done without the need of Photoshop:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/htvxds9qyo3c3zo/Example.png?dl=0

Not claiming you personally, but just in general, that's why I always implore people to do their research before jumping on unfounded accusations that lead to these stupid witch hunts.
smblion
6 years, 10 months ago
> Not claiming you personally, but just in general, that's why I always implore people to do their research before jumping on unfounded accusations that lead to these stupid witch hunts.

The historic lesson of witch hunts is that people should not engage in them at all, whether they've done "research" or not. We have spent millions of public dollars training many thousands of real life investigators who know how to do these things properly, and who are capable of controlling their moral outrage enough to back down from an investigation when the evidence does not support a conviction.

"people" don't know any of those things and should stick to their own fucking lives.
DevilKrin
6 years, 10 months ago
Yeah, I definitely 100% agree with you on that. Witch hunts shouldn't be advocated in general, since it's just a form of harassment, especially done in large groups of people trying to metaphorically gangrape someone psychologically, or worse,  based on generally unfounded accusations.

But, more upsettingly, people in general just don't do research at ALL. When it comes to voting, choosing a religion (If they had a choice originally), taking a strong stance on something, people are either stupid or lazy, or both, and will only believe in what's closest to their own ideals and only if "cause the TV said so!" with all of the media's blatantly obvious social agenda pushes.

People don't want to even attempt to analyze what's being shown at them, and just accept it as fact. Orwell is having a dance party in his grave, cause that aspect of Big Brother is fucking dead on accurate. The TV says "This guy is bad" and people just fucking believe it without a slightest bit of hesitance or apprehension on where the info being presented stems from. Fox News could go on the air right now and say, "Reports are in, we're being told that the sky is actually pink, the only reason it looks blue is because humanity's eyesight hasn't evolved enough to see past the blue hue." and people would probably believe that!

I think it stems down to mostly people are lazy and whoever is in charge with this social agenda pushing on Americans is eating this up and advocating Americans to just accept what the government tells them. And skeptics, like myself, are the outcasts/terrorists, because we seek truth, not unfounded claims. X3
smblion
6 years, 10 months ago
> The TV says "This guy is bad"

I make it a habit to doubt everything, and moreso if it originates from the TV or internet.

They lie to us 24/7. It's not like 1 hour of the day is the Lying Hour, all they do is lie. And when you shut down their lies they are prepared with more lies. They have a whole flowchart of lies and they will never say an honest fucking word. Their PROFESSION is to lie to the public for their evil masters.

I just assume they're lying and if the goal of the story is the destruction of a person, such as with the recent flood of accusations of sexual abuse by famous celebrities, I assume innocence.
DevilKrin
6 years, 10 months ago
Oh absolutely! I just wish majority of people would see things that way too and exercise even a fraction of skepticism, instead of just buying everything one source/person tells them as fact. =w=;
ZwolfJareAlt306
6 years, 10 months ago
" Nir wrote:
cause the TV said so!


This is why I advise people, before believing anything the TV says about Trump, Hillary, Jordan Peterson, etc. to watch the relevant person's Youtube channel.
RoareyRaccoon
6 years, 10 months ago
Indeed, tis why I'm not convinced the conversations are 100% genuine, particularly with regard to who actually typed them.
DevilKrin
6 years, 10 months ago
Yeah, and just to play Devil's Advocate, I'm sure some of them are genuine, but my rebuttal is strictly on what I have looked at personally (Including said accused friend). I noticed that all of the evidence the Sadist guy presented was clearly seen as him using the Telegram app (On their website) in his web browser, which led me to think "He just used the console command to fib the <div> text within the HTML code."

Now had he screencapped him using the actual desktop app, instead of the website, then he would have a little more basis to found his evidence. After my friend showed me the original screenshot from his desktop app on what the convo actually said, then I just confirmed that fact that's what the guy did.

You can make anyone say anything within a loaded HTML page, even change the date of the journal/timestamps in general, then take a snapshot, and proclaim that "they must have deleted it" if someone calls you out on where you got your evidence from? "Yeah, well he deleted the journal, but I happened to screencap it before he took it down". =w=;
Stratus
6 years, 10 months ago
A pictures worth a thousand words but a picture of a thousand words ain't worth shit.
Modern times sure are wacky
BrotherPawden
6 years, 10 months ago
I really hope that finds it's way into a booklet of inspirational quotes.
smblion
6 years, 10 months ago
> Every person in that group knows full well what they're doing is evil, which is why they were hidden, secretive.

Does the same logic apply to homosexuals living in abusive regimes such as Iran, or early 20th century America?

Anyway I mostly agree with what you said btw. Despite my protestations about the drama itself.

You know whats true? Life would be a lot better if everyone would stop thinking with their dicks.
Stratus
6 years, 10 months ago
What really gets me is the people using this to attack the fandom are the same people that are usually like "not all Muslims are terrorists because of a few extremists!" Or on the reverse "not all gun owners are violent sociopaths because of a few mass shooters"
This controversy is one hell of a hypocrite detector I will say that
west415bill
6 years, 10 months ago
And that's just the tip of the ice berg if all the recent dramas and etc are any indicator.
smblion
6 years, 10 months ago
I'm not sure those are two sides of the same coin.

Islam does teach it's people to murder non-believers, it does teach it's people that women are subservient and should be killed for various crimes against their husbands, and I've met a lot of gun owners and not one psychopath yet. Most gun owners own guns to protect themselves and their families from actual psychopaths.
Stratus
6 years, 10 months ago
Wasent saying they're equivalent just saying people on opposite ends of the spectrum make those arguments
Halo3ForXbox360
6 years, 10 months ago
I've seen this claim a lot, and I've recently been wondering which specific section of the Qur'an says such things?
smblion
6 years, 10 months ago
Have you read it? Then perhaps you wouldn't need to ask others for that information. I have work to do :)
TwitchChameleon
6 years, 10 months ago
This is why I keep my furry degeneracy to myself.  It only invites further degenerates to creep out of the shadows.
matthegamer
6 years, 10 months ago
Kero is suing his chief accusers for defamation. Any thoughts?
DiogenesShandor
6 years, 10 months ago
I'm betting he either wins or gets gets blatantly railroaded.
BrotherPawden
6 years, 10 months ago
I don't know whether this Kero person is innocent or guilty, and I doubt I'll have the time or the willpower to look through the evidence myself and find out (Not like I can add anything of value to this controversy anyway). I'm just glad this isn't about me, Kero's life is going to be a living hell from now on, that's a stigma I could never live with. I attend meetings at work about elder abuse, and the stories I heard are just...how could someone like that exist? The content others claimed was in the videos has shocked me on a level that almost never happens. The human races capacity for evil is truly unlimited, if we only experience it from a distance such as a history book or a news report, we should count ourselves lucky.
DiogenesShandor
6 years, 10 months ago
Raping animals is bad.

However I don't see how necrophilia with animals is any worse for the animal than, for example, wearing a sheepskin condom; It's just more offensive to people's sensibilities, and people's sensibilities ultimately are not something that matters.
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 10 months ago
Wow i knew the contents were dark....but this....

This isent even beatiality or even rape its reveling in gloryfing the monsterousness of the acts themselves....this is basicly morbid guro snuff porn but with animuls...

What has to break inside a person that allows them to participate in this comfortably?
mickhead
6 years, 10 months ago
I pray that I never know.
GreenPika
6 years, 10 months ago
if everyone knew though, it might actually come to an end
mickhead
6 years, 10 months ago
If you knew what had to break inside of you to enjoy this kind of evil then you would enjoy this kind of evil.

Anything else would be just a guess.
GreenPika
6 years, 10 months ago
the belief that only evil people can know evil, is why evil has been allowed a free pass to own the world.
mickhead
6 years, 10 months ago
Fair enough.
GreenPika
6 years, 10 months ago
iceberg, meet, tip
Jimbear
6 years, 10 months ago
I mean, jesus fucking h santa christ on a christmas cracker.  Well, I'll put it like this.  I'm not watching what's in the .rar, because what was described is way more than enough for me to know what's in there.  On one side of the coin, does the phrase "innocent until proven guilty" mean anything anymore in western civilization?  This means....wait for it....Kero is currently innocent...until proven guilty.  I may be off, but if Kero was guilty, why would he lawyer up and pursue a "defamation of character" lawsuit?  If Kero is guilty, why would he take a risk of the evidence of what he did (most likely through browser history, IP addresses, or even files on one of his computers/mobile devices/cloud storage) surfacing, thereby condemning himself?

On the other side of the coin, from what I know, the US justice system doesn't really give a rat's ass about animal cruelty.  If the sick fucks ARE caught and given a trial, and they are proven guilty due to actual concrete evidence being produced that condemns them, they'd most likely end up with a "boys will be boys" slap on the wrist, or even a simple year in prison and a small fine.  Those would be punishments that don't fit the crimes, where at the very least the actual guilty parties should all be beaten up mercilessly to within an inch of their miserable lives.  Well okay, if they did end up in prison, I'm sure the zoosadists would be considered on the low rung of the caste system right next to the child molesters, and they would most likely receive some good beatdowns (and more) during their stay there.

Back to Kero.  If Kero is proven guilty through concrete evidence, then let him receive what he truly deserves!  Otherwise, leave him the hell alone.
pentrep
6 years, 10 months ago
This whole thing is despicable. I find people are like packrats and are willing to believe anything without a shred of proof. I don't know either party but there isn't enough proof to damn the poor guy. Isn't that what the whole idea of "innocent until proven guilty" concept is for? Apparently, this doesn't apply on the internet. It's nothing short of disgraceful.
StarDreamSoulOS
6 years, 10 months ago
I'm thinking of getting a hold of this .rar file and doxxing the filthy sub-human responsible for those images.
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