Welcome to Inkbunny...
Allowed ratings
To view member-only content, create an account. ( Hide )
GreenFur

The Right of the People To Keep And Bear Arms...

The Right of the People To Keep And Bear Arms...

just a thought experiment on the future of one of our fundamental rights that protect our way of life. I realize that posting this here might not be the most receptive audience but i DO want to know your thoughts on a subject most of you probably have never thought about. or are actively fighting against.
--GF


I was thinking of what the future holds for our right to keep and bear arms. And the more I thought about the question, the farther out in time I began to contemplate it. So, what's the future of the Second Amendment in 15 years? In 50 years? In 100 years? In 500 years?

The cynic in me eventually came to the conclusion that the Second Amendment is fated to go the way of the dinosaurs. Total extinction! That's right, in the future, say 500 years from now, one's right to keep and bear arms will be a thing of the past, a mere vestige in time when men and women could really keep a government in check, protect themselves in the public square, shoot a buck during hunting season, hit the local range to destress, you know, all the things we need our Second Amendment rights for.

How is this going to happen? Well, here are five future developments that will indubitably lead to the revocation of one's fundamental right to keep and bear arms.

1. One World Government

At one point or another, all of humanity will be united under a one world government. A U.N. on steroids. It's sorta the de facto state right now when you think of the international oligarchs, industry elites, and private bankers that pretty much control the vast majority of wealth and commerce in the world.

The only difference between then and now is that currently there's a tacit understanding of hegemonic rule, but eventually that will change and the ruling class will go public with their scheme to unite control the world.

Once it's made official, the NWO (I guess I'll call em that) will make no bones about its main priority, ensuring its reign of global domination goes unchallenged. What is the biggest threat to those in power? Armed resistance from a civilian militia. Consequently, a massive effort to disarm the citizenry and promote a "guns for me and not for thee" agenda rolls out.

Since most of the civilized world have already willingly (and in some cases enthusiastically) given up their right to keep and bear arms, I'd argue that the wind is at the backs of the gun-grabbing NWO power elites. Sure, there will be some resistance in what was formerly known as the good old USofA but ultimately resistance will prove to be futile.

2. Orwellian Surveillance

Persistent Survelliance Systems exist!

Eye-in-the-sky technology is already a reality. But when it goes mainstream and becomes a permanent staple in every town, city, state and country around the world is anyone's guess. Conservatively speaking, I'd say in the next 50 years government drones will be as common as street lights.

What this technology brings to the table is a world in which no crime goes unsolved as the government will have the capacity to track down and watch everyone at all times. When a crime is committed, the watchers will be able to zero in and track the criminal as he or she leaves the scene, they'll also have the ability to go back in time (via the recorded tape) and discover where the criminal was just prior to the incident, who they were with, what they were doing, where they live -- all the necessary information they need to apprehend them.

Given the widespread adoption of this technology, the government will brainwash people into believing that it -- and not the individual -- is responsible for one's safety. What follows is the complete decay of personal responsibility (and personal privacy) and an abrupt increase in government dependency.

You can see the banners now from the Ministry of Safety (an agency within the NWO) promoting the surveillance state at the expense of the Second Amendment and other fundamental rights, "Disarm yourselves. We will protect you. You have nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide."

3. Universal Doping

Low T?

What's the best way to control a population?

Not physical slavery. Enslaving a population by force is too much of a hassle. For one thing, cracking the proverbial whip is a messy business that only hardens the resistance and deepens the hatred for those in power. For another thing, it's expensive as it commands a lot of time, energy, manpower and resources.

Don't get me wrong, our overlords will use force when they have to but in the majority of cases they will rely on something infinitely more powerful and effective to keep us in line: drugs!

We're already way over-drugged. I'm not even talking about the controlled substances we consume recreationally, I'm talking about the stuff Big Pharma shills constantly. I mean, when was the last time you watched a nightly news telecast that didn't have commercials advertising the latest and greatest wonder drug to treat a disease or affliction that probably doesn't even exist? "Low T," for example, is that even real? Why do I need a pill for it? Can't it be prevented or cured, like almost everything else, with a healthy diet and exercise?

Long story short, the drug culture that exists now is only going to get worse. As we become more dependent on government for our personal safety, so too will we become more dependent on Big Pharma (which will be subsumed by the NWO) to make ourselves healthy and happy. In short, we will become a global nation of addicts. As such, we will do just about anything our overlords want for a quick fix of whatever it is we've become hooked on.

4. Flesh Farms

In the near future, no one will hunt. Why? Harvesting a living animal will be considered a crime. Animals, it will be decreed, are entitled to certain inalienable rights, like life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness -- a novel and bitterly ironic idea that will sound vaguely familiar to our descendants living under the NWO.

Yet, while animals are awarded all these rights, they lose the very thing that has kept them alive all these years: the tax revenue generated from hunters and gun owners. That's correct. The vast majority of conservation efforts are funded by hunters and shooters. And as a result, the decision to kill hunting will ultimately kill all the wild game in our "forests" -- which thanks to government geoengineering, massive deforestation, rampant pollution and anthropogenic climate change will be nothing more than small plots of land with a few emaciated trees.

It's no matter, though, instead of meat, technology will be implemented to produce a meat-like substance in laboratories known as "flesh farms." Basically, they're test-tube steaks! It's not really known how the NWO procures this meat (Soylent Green?) but it's adequately spiced and artificially flavored so no one really raises an eyebrow.

5. The Rise of the Machine

The rise of the machines is inevitable. Be they terminators (T-800s) or Matrix machines or HAL 9000s, they're emergence is unavoidable.

Technological singularity is inevitable. Pretty soon, computers will have an intelligence that is not only superior to our own, but a cerebral capacity to create future systems that are increasingly intelligent. Couple that with the potential emergence of artificial consciousness and what we have is a recipe for the "Matrix," as in that classic film starring the inimitable Keanu Reeves.

Crazy talk? Maybe, but if anyone or anything is going to take down the one world government, it won't be the proletariat. It'll be the machines. And, let's face it, to preserve their own future they're not going to want their subjects walking around with weapons.

Yes, the machines will disarm everyone. The human leaders of the NWO may conscript the proletariat to fight this new war, but because the masses will have become so drugged up, undernourished and hyper-dependent on government, they just won't have any fight left in them. Machines will win the war, and win it convincingly. It'll be the end of humanity.

Conclusion

The good news: in the future, we'll all be dead. The bad news: without a means to defend against tyranny, citizens will be enslaved by the powers that be. But eventually, our enslavers will be enslaved by machines. What follows the machines? It's anyone's guess.

So what is the main takeaway from this article? Enjoy your Second Amendment rights while you have them, because who knows what the future holds.

What are YOUR thoughts on this subject?

Viewed: 40 times
Added: 6 years, 7 months ago
 
moyomongoose
6 years, 7 months ago
It is a common folly to think that if guns are outlawed no one can hurt any one. Even if they did succeed in getting all the guns away from everyone, including taking every gun from every criminal, that would open up a whole new set of troubles;

1. Society would become the survival of the fittest....Law of the jungle...The strongest Tarzan rules. An uncle of mine when he was still alive was able to put three or four men in the hospital at one time. He was one of those 'strongest Tarzans'.

2. Defencless women can not defend theirself from being raped...Just like life in the monkey kingdom.

3. A hot head with temper issues gets cut off in traffic. And then drags the driver of the other car out and pound his face in right there in the intersection without risking getting himself shot trying it.
Oh suurrrre you can "roll up the windows and lock the doors"...But it isn't hard to smash out that rolled up window, reach in and pull up the lock, and fling the door open.  
Soooo, your only recourse in a situation where you don't want that angry hot head rearranging your face to look like a Picasso, is to floor it and flee from him as he gets back into his car and chases you down the road...Of course, that might mean speeding through town at speeds well over 110 mph, blasting through red lights and school zones along the way, trying to loose him.

4. Another group who will have a leg up without fear of their actions getting themselves shot are violent street gangs...Street gangs fight in numbers. And when they come after you with steel pipes, broomsticks with razor blades, motorcycle chains, and knives, you will wish like unholy Hell you had a gun...If you have to rely on running from them, you better hope you can run like Ussain Bolt...In reality, most of us can not run that fast.

5. Then there are the karate nuts running around out there. They learn some martial arts, then they randomly pick someone out they want to try it out on. There is a saying that goes, "All the karate in the world will not stop a bullet" (don't believe what you see on those Bruce Lee movies when Mr. Lee dodges and deflects bullets). But with no guns being around anymore, that saying no longer has any meaning.  
GreenReaper
6 years, 7 months ago
Actually the big new weapon that has really come into its own in the UK (where for some reason we are not yet ruled over by Tarzan) is acid-based domestic cleaners, which turn out to be widely available and incredibly dangerous. They're still working on that one. Not sure if it's caught on in the USA because you guys still have guns.
moyomongoose
6 years, 7 months ago
I guess it's called improvising for what is not available.

So is the UK still allowed to have smaller caliber guns, or is all guns outlawed in the UK now?
GreenReaper
6 years, 7 months ago
It's complicated, and subject to interpretation by local forces, but essentially most of the things you'd consider "handguns" are forbidden, while shotguns and sporting rifles are allowed. Perhaps more importantly, you need a clear justification to legally own anything, and it may be an offence to let other people touch it, which tends to cut down on distribution.

England and Wales averages only one person dying every other week from firearms, and maybe ten to fifteen crimes involving firearms a day, out of 56 million people. If you're in the city or the suburbs, you might never see a gun in years, or at all - and so it was a shock when police started carrying them around openly in some areas (including ConFuzzled!).
moyomongoose
6 years, 7 months ago
And God help us if a race war breaks out after the government outlaws private ownership of guns.
It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out how THAT will go down;

Typically, the majority of one race of people don't want to break the law...They don't want to be viewed as rebels...Afraid of being labeled "a terrorist" or "a sicko" or "a supremist" if they don't comply with the law and surrender their guns.
A higher priority on "obeying leftard laws" than survival...Quite honestly, I despise having to admit to being 7/8 of a race with a mentality like that...Besides that, I'm 1/4 Polish with some Syrian descent (mom's side), some Scottish descent, and 1/8 black (dad's side).

Where as the majority of the other race of people say, "FUCK those mumma fuckas! They ain't gettin my fuckin' gun! Fuck they stupid ass law! All the shit goin' on out there?!...An' I'm suppose to be without a gun?! They can kiss my ass!".
Here, survival outweighs "obey the leftard laws"...Although not perfect...no one is...here are those who have some common sense actually.

Well, if a race war breaks out (and with the way things are getting, it could happen), and one race has all the guns, and the other race has no guns except for very very few members of "hate groups" who held on to them (too few of them to amount to anything), it would pretty much be open hunting season on the race of people who are rendered defencless, and with no bag limit...A race of people could easily go extinct in a scinario like that...It's called genocide.

And in a scenario like that, the government needs to stay the Hell out of the way and leave things alone. If everyone of all races has guns, no one race would be brazen to go out and begin shooting up the other race...They keep each other in check.
GreenFur
6 years, 7 months ago
Thank you for your very thoughtful response. i VERY much appreciate it,
i was not really expecting such an educated level headed response, but more the flaming  harrangs of the more left leaning members of the community, which i may yer  garner if this journal "falls into the wrong hands" (LOL)

the one big problem with outlawing firearms is... anyone that wants a gun, will have gun. a quick trip to any "Home improvement center" and you can purchase all the supply you need to make a very serviceable pistol, rifle, shotgun or semi automatic machine gun. as well as the tools needed to manufacture said firearms. let's not forget about  the "Old School" black powder shooters out there,  with a Black powder set up you don't need ammo, for you can cast your own shot and make your own powder. meaning that the idea of disarming a population becomes virtually impossible.

the information is readily available online and I would suggest anyone with an interest in educating them selves  take some time to research it while it is freely available,  I am NOT saying go out there and make a bunch of guns, No, all I am advising is that education has it's rewards, just knowing how can be a real comfort, for you never know when this information may come in handy.

 not to mention the fear inducing paranoia  of the gun grabbers is the home 3D printed guns, yes, they are a real thing,  i see them more of a novelty rather than a real threat. but once again the academic point i am making here is if you want a gun you can make one, or 3D print one, most of the ones I have seen are not accurate,  and prone to rapid self destruction without a metal sleeve barrel but the point once again is if you want one you can make one it really is not an issue  to anyone who believes in freedom. that aside there are other weapons on can craft at home like Bows, slings, crossbows and all sorts of deadly weapons if one whats them, just look through history to see what folks have come up with in the past.

call me a freedom loving greymuzzle if you like, but i place a high value on education and Learning from the past, i like teaching the next generation how to be more self reliant you can pick up a lot of life experience on half a century if you keep your eyes open and mind sharp with a healthy  inquisitive mind that seeks out how things work. remember, the most dangerous weapon anyone can possess is an educated mind and the will to use it.

thank you again for starting off the conversation on a very positive note. your observations were in my mind spot on. i for one do not seek civil /race war, but  being a student of Pre SJW history, I see the writing on the wall and  am taking prudent steps to safeguard my family and friends in a worst case scenario. and advise everyone with that rare gift of common scene to lay in a good stock of supplies (at least 3 months worth)  because once the feces strikes the rotary ecumenism, the store shelves will be stripped bare, and you will be on your own.

 humans are social creatures by habit and tend to form up into packs, gangs, tribes  don't be a lone wolf. for you have to sleep some time. my advice is to get out of the major city's, for thy will be the flash points, if you can relocate to a more rural area learn to become more self reliant ideally you would go in with a group of like minded folks and set up a safe harbor that you can market your collective skills and become more self reliant there is a deep seance of contentment that comes form being able to grow your own food and producing what you need to live comfortably. You may want you put some thought into what you do for a living and can you do it without the internet, what practical job/life skills do you possess that you can use that would make you an asset in a grid down scenario? for in a time of civil unrest you may not be able to access the internet you would be either reliant on some government authority for your needs or bunker down and ride it out.
--GF

moyomongoose
6 years, 7 months ago
I live on 10 acres of rural land I own in Arkansas. There is a creek I have been drinking out of for years with no problem. And I have cooked and eaten cottonmouth snake and road kill deer. I have fruit trees on the property. And I have a 12 gauge.
I store up some food such as canned goods, rice, and dried beans...Should it get stolen, I believe I can still find stuff like road kill, and snakes and stuff most folks wouldn't eat...The creek often has small crayfish in it.

About home made guns, I saw some make a shot gun out of a pipe inside of another pipe with a plug and nail in the smaller pipe. You just put a shell in, ram the inner pipe so the nail hits the shell cap, and the gun fires.
GreenFur
6 years, 7 months ago
yes that would be  a firing pin inside the larger pipe  and the smaller pipe holds the shell,
we humans are pretty ingenious  and inventive creatures,  i like to run with the adage that  "Always weapons can be found"
A prime example of this is the Ice Age "Atlatle" a precurser to the bow.
i can craft a servicable atlatle in about 10 min, and use it to throw a spear that can drop a bison at 50 yards, so someone in kevlar body armor is not going to be much of a challenge, as Kevlar is not spear proof and the kinetic impact of the atlatle driven  spear equates to about 300 pounds of force, so chalk one up to ancient technology,
not to mention good old fashioned Black Powder  which frees you from  any and all  "Ammunition Bans" that those in power may choose to enact,
 My point here is that no matter what, if you want a "Gun" then you can have one, all it takes is the know-how to build it, and That is what the second amendment is all about, for an armed society is  polite society, contrary to popular culture.
--GF
BrokenPupper
6 years, 7 months ago
So basically this boils down to crackpot theories based on the mistrust of humans that "theorists" do not have the mental capacity of socialising with. What's next, The Purge being possible?
GreenFur
6 years, 7 months ago
i believe these 14 words sum it perfectly...
" The Right Of The People To Keep And Bear Arms, Shall Not Be Infringed."


--GF
CuriousFerret
6 years, 7 months ago
Speculation of what it's going to be like 500 years from now is spotty at best.  I can't really say one way or another if any of us will be around by then.

Considering the amount of tension and issues world wide and here at home, there is cause to be wary.  Sensible precautions can be taken, including gun ownerwhip which is as safe a right as possible  at the moment.

I urge restraint on any full scale doom saying, better to keep our heads about us then and look for constructive means of discourse over scape goating or finding ways to give up on peaceful cohabitation.
GreenFur
6 years, 2 months ago
well said, forewarned is forearmed. statistically crime goes down in an area where criminals  know their potential victims may be armed.
and i still maintain the best form of 'gun control'  is hitting your target with the first shot (double tap center of mass to be sure)
--GF
GreenReaper
6 years, 7 months ago
I don't really disagree, but nor do I necessarily see any of this as a bad thing. >_>
GreenFur
6 years, 2 months ago
Thank you my friend.
glad you took the time to comment
have a happy new year!
--GF
GreenFur
6 years, 7 months ago
my thanks to everyone who has commented on this journal so far.
it has been a very good discussion and i wanted to thank everyone who participated.
--GF
Makroth
6 years, 2 months ago
You will never be able to kill and injure hundreds of people with a melee weapon. At least not in one go and not nearly as easily as you can with an automatic rifle. And none of your guns will protect you from drones or missiles. Methinks you gun fanatics have a VERY limited view of this situation.
GreenFur
6 years, 2 months ago
"...And none of your guns will protect you from drones or missiles."

true, but you can shoot down drones with a good rifle and a scope.

"...Methinks you gun fanatics have a VERY limited view of this situation"
 'Gun fanatics' is an interesting term for someone who only wishes to exercise their Constitutional RIGHTS.  But than again ir is part of my very American culture that help make this country  what it is and a beacon that draws others to our shores from all over the world.
Nowthen, what Exactly do you think the 'situation' is, that i fail to see  my friend?
--GF
Makroth
6 years, 2 months ago
Less guns = less gun crime. Better regulations are required. How many more shootings? How many more people have to die before you understand that?
Makroth
6 years, 2 months ago
The right to own guns is intrinsically linked with the ability to literally shoot down a tyrranical government. The entire premise is flawed. If you want to fight tyranny you'll have to do it with something other than guns. If you can't, you're no different.
Lapsa
5 years, 4 months ago
Its rather odd, you seem rather fond of the tyranny we have now. You are more interested in the 'identity politics' you claim to be against than seeing it happening.

Trump just put someone in charge of the Mueller Probe who has made plans to end it. Voter suppression has taken place across the South. Mass Shootings and Paramilitaries supported by the government are rampant. Massive corruption in the government and an unsustainable economic system and a decline of democracy in the US and across the globe. All by the people you will staunchly defend, because you've been told 'we' are evil.

No, instead the guns are turned against the very people asking for government accountability because of internet memes and rumors created by a cult obsessed with the past too much to see any future.

“He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster . . . when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you”
GreenFur
5 years, 4 months ago
Tyranny? you have No idea what you are talking about.unless it is the Tyrinny if the left?
"mass shootings". where? oh right mostly in these GUN FREE ZONES you are so fond of where no one can shoot back, when I was in highschool  people had guns in their cars and no one shot up the schools.
"Voter suppression has taken place across the South." look back on the history of that and you will find it is mostly Democratic in nature. and has been going on for Decades. the KKK was backed by the Democrats.it was a Republican administration that Freed the slaves.
"because you've been told 'we' are evil. "  not told, just watching the actions of communests who wish to tear down this country when I hear leftie NPC's chanting things like "No Trump, no wall, no USA at all" there is something called treason  the sentance is public exicution. Antifa is already listed as a terrorest group, like ISIS. Ever notice that they never have their riots in Texas? it is always in Democrat controled citys like Berkley or Portland or Seattle.
the constitution is NOT a "living document" subject to change.
"The RIGHT of the PEOPLE to KEEP and bear ARMS shall NOT be Infringed"
if it was the imagined tyrinny you say you would be rounded up and tossed in a prison camp. for all it's faults it is the freeist county  on the planet. if you think differently than please explaine WHY everyone is trying to flood our borders to get in?
 --GF
Lapsa
5 years, 4 months ago
Ah yes, Tyranny of the left; Legalization of cannabis (You're welcome~), legalization of gay marriage, legalization of abortion, voting rights for women and minorities, and the creation of the United States!

For someone opposed to some vague dystopia you sure to seem to want to turn public life into a literal warzone. I'm not for the complete banning of guns, but I believe that we need to do more to curb semi and fully automatic weapons and have states cooperate - which they don't always now - when it comes to law enforcement letting one another know if someone is not allowed to buy guns due to some felony or a diagnosed illness.

The Democratic and Republican party lines have shifted significantly. Its why most Southern conservative Democrats joined the Republican Party - like Strom Thurmond. In fact, it wasn't conservatives who freed the slaves...if you do any research its rather easy to find out that Lincoln and Marx shared letters, many Marxists had joined the early Republican Party, and some members of Lincoln's cabinet themselves were Marxists!

The whole 'things never change and I refuse to learn history' argument gets a bit tired. Where once there were Southern Democrats there are now Conservative Republicans casting people off of ballots.


That sounds like something you read somewhere and didn't hear. The 'evil lefties' don't want to abolish the US, sad to say for your narrative that paints the right as heroes standing against some tyranny. Also you may want to check your information, Texas actually has a lot of us 'evil lefties' (we prefer the term fellow American, though I know that is too much to ask from someone who unironically thinks anyone who disagrees with them is pure evil or stupid).

Also the constitution IS a living document, that AMENDMENT you cite was added after the fact. It has been amended repeatedly to expand rights, and always to expand rights. Intentionally misunderstanding what gun control means by buying into fear-mongering isn't going to change that.


Also, because organizations like Reporters without borders, Freedom House, and Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty have noted declines. It is still free - our democracy is a durable one despite the best efforts of the right. People come here because they think its a beacon of liberty - that is how the world used to view us and how parts of it still do.
https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-world/2018/unit...
https://rsf.org/en/united-states

We have a President that proclaims that Media needs to be heavily regulated, that news that disagrees with him is fake and that reporters he doesn't like are the 'enemy of the people'. That seems like more a violation of the constitution than wanting some restrictions on guns or cooperation between local communities.
__
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
MOTHER OF EXILES. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

__

Ring any bells?
Lapsa
5 years, 4 months ago
While you are attempting to muster up a reply perhaps you should also look into the practice of 'conversion therapy'.
GreenFur
5 years, 4 months ago
i believe in many things, among them are Borders, Language and Culture.
i denounce your attempt at unamerican "Conversion Thearpy"
Lapsa
5 years, 4 months ago
It isn't me that supports 'conversion therapy'. Its the far-right you hail as heroes. I denounce your bullshit Orwellian nonesense.
Lapsa
5 years, 4 months ago
GreenFur
5 years, 4 months ago
congradulations you have just convinced me that this is now true.
your revisionest history would be laughable if it wern't so pathetically sad.
The Furry Community Is Worse Than You Can Imagine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDa9w_XoP7Y

Deny this if you can,  but this scathing video came from one of our own, so enjoy the mirror
though i doubt if you posess the intestinal fortitude to watch it, but i tend to look on the positive  side of things you may learn something it may provide insite.
Lapsa
5 years, 4 months ago
Revisionist history? Can you back up that claim with anymore than an unrelated video from someone who unironically believes that the right-wing doesn't exist and who makes facetious videos mocking things he doesn't agree with without having done any research into those things (Not a good debate tactic!)?

 You've convinced yourself that the people that gave you all your rights are the bad guys. You've convinced yourself that any information that disagrees with you is wrong, and worst of all you've let yourself be manipulated into not even acknowledging information that contradicts your world view. Its called delusion - so full of yourself and your own self-righteousness that facts themselves are beneath you.

You can look up any of this, click any of those links...but I suppose that would require integrity and honesty. It seems you #Walkaway from both of those too.

Also here is a tip for life; being able to make youtube videos doesn't make you right. You still have to back up your claims, and when you lie you can't just cry or pretend your fame protects you.
Lapsa
5 years, 4 months ago
Alright, well its abundantly clear that without deflection or conspiracy you can't defend your claims. History and reality stand against your world view. There is no shame in being wrong - the shame is in refusing to admit and own up to it.
GreenFur
5 years, 4 months ago
you seem to think this is some kind of Debate, it is Not. for when you devolve to disparaging comments and character assanation, where you all but call me a "Fascist" or a "Not-C", I just walk away.

"you seem rather fond of the tyranny we have now" --we do not live under tyrnny, no one is breaking down your door in the middle of the night throwing a bag over your head and haulling you away. wake up.

"You've convinced yourself that the people that gave you all your rights are the bad guys. You've convinced yourself that any information that disagrees with you is wrong, and worst of all you've let yourself be manipulated into not even acknowledging information that contradicts your world view." -- Wow are you projecting here?

"Legalization of cannabis " i have been involved in that fight since the early 1970's Kid,  so you get no points here. you do know that we are the only industrial country that is PROHIBITED from growing it, Right? widespread industrial henp production would revolutionize this country, but no, that would run afowl of the "strategic interests" of the government that is in bed with the oil industry and hemp would be a strategic THREAT to thet interest. Growoing hemp was so vital it was mandated in the early colonial period and again durring WW2 See "Hemp for Victory" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3rolyiTPr0
Madicinal use, (you may Not have noticed my icon?) is something i have been backing since the 1980's so your point is moot
in the end you have made no points just tossed accusations and aspersions on my character, as i see it you Have no moral high ground to stand on, and have done nothing but prove that Social Justice is Cancer.
why else would it be attempting to roll back all the gains the civil rights movement made? Fighting FOR Segrigation? are you INSAINE??? but that is "Social Justice" now isn't it? "Equality of outcome" rather than "Equality of Oppertunity"
--GF
Lapsa
5 years, 4 months ago
" GreenFur wrote:
you seem to think this is some kind of Debate, it is Not. for when you devolve to disparaging comments and character assanation, where you all but call me a "Fascist" or a "Not-C", I just walk away.


I called you neither. Try again. Also your first comments about the 'lefties' were disparaging and based on memes and have repeatedly railed again 'social justice' (a meaningless term that is applied to everyone left of far-right). Try. Again.

" GreenFur wrote:
"you seem rather fond of the tyranny we have now" --we do not live under tyrnny, no one is breaking down your door in the middle of the night throwing a bag over your head and haulling you away. wake up.


We do, we have a President that calls any news organization that goes against him the 'Enemy of the People' and a government that is fighting against any effort to hold it accountable to its actions. This is the germination of tyranny. Wake up.

" GreenFur wrote:
"You've convinced yourself that the people that gave you all your rights are the bad guys. You've convinced yourself that any information that disagrees with you is wrong, and worst of all you've let yourself be manipulated into not even acknowledging information that contradicts your world view." -- Wow are you projecting here?


No, I'm not. You have told me I'm wrong and your only evidence is some right-wing youtuber saying furries are shit. Try again.

When I make a claim I can back it up with evidence, you have refused to do so multiple times.

" GreenFur wrote:
"Legalization of cannabis " i have been involved in that fight since the early 1970's Kid,  so you get no points here. you do know that we are the only industrial country that is PROHIBITED from growing it, Right? widespread industrial henp production would revolutionize this country, but no, that would run afowl of the "strategic interests" of the government that is in bed with the oil industry and hemp would be a strategic THREAT to thet interest. Growoing hemp was so vital it was mandated in the early colonial period and again durring WW2 See "Hemp for Victory" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3rolyiTPr0
Madicinal use, (you may Not have noticed my icon?) is something i have been backing since the 1980's so your point is moot
in the end you have made no points just tossed accusations and aspersions on my character, as i see it you Have no moral high ground to stand on, and have done nothing but prove that Social Justice is Cancer.
why else would it be attempting to roll back all the gains the civil rights movement made? Fighting FOR Segrigation? are you INSAINE??? but that is "Social Justice" now isn't it? "Equality of outcome" rather than "Equality of Oppertunity"
--GF


Its legal in some states, however! Those states which are controlled by more liberal-minded local governments. And countries outside the US governed by more liberal minded governments. Most of the forces in the US fighting against legalization are right-wing or corporate-aligned centrists.

I agree that legalization in the whole - i.e. somehow convincing the central government to make it legal throughout the US - would be very good for our economy. There is no real good reason why something like Cannabis is banned but you can freely buy much more dangerous and less useful things.

Left-wing movements have been advocating for the legalization of it since before the 70s, so your point is moot. Left-wing movements have also been fighting against the oil lobby since forever too.

Also would you back up that claim of fighting for segregation? Any evidence to back that up?
GreenFur
5 years, 4 months ago
"Also would you back up that claim of fighting for segregation? Any evidence to back that up?"

Be GLAD to, in case you missed it, here are a FEW of the headlines from About 6,090,000 results ...

Segregation is making a comeback -- on college campuses
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/segregation-is-makin...

"Segregation was outlawed half a century ago, but some want to bring it back, at least on college campuses. And those seeking to bring segregation back are African-Americans — the very group hurt most by it in the early part of the 20th century.

Across the country last fall, college students began protesting alleged oppression and discrimination by white administrators and students. Most of the grievances centered around a lack of black professors or the names of certain buildings, but some protesters are asking for "safe spaces" where whites aren't allowed.

A website called TheDemands.org details the 76 demand lists from protesters across the country. The College Fix has noted that many of the lists call for segregated sections of campus.

For instance, protesters at the University of California, Los Angeles, demanded a new housing center, called the "Afro-House" for black students only. "

...how about this?
Black students demand segregated spaces from white students
https://www.thecollegefix.com/black-students-demand-seg...
"Segregated ‘safe spaces’
Black college students across the country have demanded that they be segregated from white peers, calling for “safe spaces” on campuses meant only for so-called students of color."

or this:

PROGRESS? IT'S BACK TO SEGREGATION AT U.S. COLLEGES
'This can only be described as dumbing down of the population'
 https://www.wnd.com/2016/08/progress-its-back-to-segreg...

"An Illinois college has defended its restriction of portions of a mandatory course to black students even though part of the stated goal of the class is to teach students “an appreciation for diversity.” But the case appears to be part of a larger trend of “black only” zones on U.S. college campuses."

Or This:
50 Years After Loving v. Virginia, Colleges Embrace Segregation
Students have demanded free tuition and housing for blacks as well as black-only dorms.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/50-years-after-loving-v-vi...

and finally this...
Self-segregation: how a personalized world is dividing Americans
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jan/13/self...
"It’s a fact: while Americans have countless tools with which to connect with one another, we are also watching fragmentation, polarization, and de-diversification happen en masse. The American public is self-segregating, tearing at the social fabric of the country.

Many in the tech world imagined that the internet would connect people in unprecedented ways, allow for divisions to be bridged and wounds to heal – a Kumbaya dream of sorts. Today, those same dreamers find it quite unsettling to watch as the tools that were designed to bring people together are used by people to magnify divisions and undermine social solidarity.
. . .
I am not going to beat you over the head with it but I think you get the idea.
--GF
Lapsa
5 years, 4 months ago
Lets start with the Guardian Article, since its the longest by far and covers a broad range of topics.

First, it doesn't back up your claim that the 'evil lefties' are trying to bring back segregation. It talks about three big topics, the first of which and the one you focus in on in your quote is Internet Balkanization - a phenomena that existed before 'social justice warrior' became a meaningless slur used to justify ignoring different points of view...in other words, before it was used as part of internet Balkanization.

This phenomena plays into psychology more than ideology. Its the tendency of people to group together and isolate themselves, sometimes to an extreme. Social media platforms allow people to block people, choose which news articles they see, and the like. An overabundance of choice goes unused and there is no real simple answer for how to address it. The linked article shows that forcing people to read from the other side isn't a solution, especially with how much polarization has seeped into everyday life. I mean, you talk about the left as if they were evil sociopathic monsters devout of emotion and refuse to admit even factual examples of when they did stuff that you claim you hate them for not doing which is part of the reason why I put so many snarky remarks in my comments back - you seem to unironically think anyone who disagrees with you is incapable of real thought.

But just to preempt anything, some examples of right-wing groups which are subject to heavy balkanization; altfur (which interestingly but unsurprisingly turned out to actually be openly fascist), Stormfront, OathKeepers (this is also a real life group though they organize via the internet), infowars, GLP (I think they changed their name), and many more.

Pardon my use of the word since its so often misused by people, but I think its a bit disingenuous to claim that Internet Balkanization is a leftist plot by linking to a website that doesn't make that claim at all, especially when on top of that I am not the one who was refusing to speak to you and you are not the one that went outside of your bubble to find differing opinions. My ideology is about self-improvement, not definite absolute unchanging truths, nor do I think my ideals are so good that if implemented they would not need to be changed. You've come across thus far as the exact opposite.


Now getting into the other things, which is a phenomena of self-segregation as well, which I didn't ask for but will respond to.

First off I was hoping you'd be able to show some evidence of the Democratic Party Platform, the Socialist Party Platform, or the Communist Party Platform - all of which I am sure you have read and not just assumed through memes, being pro-segregationalist. The reality is that none of those three groups support this, and they don't support any of these small movements (The Socialist and Communist parties were actually extremely active in the Civil rights movement, whose leader - MLK - was a Christian socialist). Some even offer critique of these smaller groups as being sectarian and utilizing race as a restricting factor - me included. Part of their limited scope actually does play into internet balkanization as well.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/02/clinton-chelsea-mann...


These groups tend to be due to a feeling that the nation doesn't represent them or that they are oppressed in their local communities due to a lack of actual addressing of issues facing them. They've seen an uptick though in response to an uptick in white nationalism. Though its also important to mention that the largest two Black Nationalist movements are far-right.

You cannot use this as evidence that the left is the cause of racial animosity and wants to establish a black ethno-state as a lot of the left does oppose them and their existence is due to policies of the right - I am sure you know the truth about the war on drugs beyond oil.
New Comment:
Move reply box to top
Log in or create an account to comment.