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by atrocity

I spent waaaaaay too much time on this but yeah, 24/7 you can now watch the scripts run, and they glow if the content changes too, and you can see how many people are watching too. I spent too much time on this :/

http://fenrirmedia.dyndns.org/viewer/

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Added:	10 years, 10 months ago 10 Jun 2014 01:20 CEST

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GreenReaper

10 years, 10 months ago

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I think it needs something to stop it visiting the same page in the same session. I've seen duplicates of popular users pop up way too frequently, sometimes just two or three afterwards.

Perhaps you're just picking one link and then discarding the page? Harvesting all the links at once would be more efficient. Of course, even more efficient if you're looking for a big number would be using the sitemap.

I'm curious as to what your goal is. Certainly, it's possible to watch every user on Inkbunny, or a sizeable portion of them, but that doesn't seem worth the effort - it simply causes load on the site as it has to deliver submission/journal notifications to you and watch notifications to those you have watched.

Lars

10 years, 10 months ago

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@ GreenReaper

There is no reasonable goal to justify causing an unnecessary load on the site. It's just a big waste of time that seems to somehow fool a lot of people into thinking this user cares about their account.

atrocity

10 years, 10 months ago

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@ GreenReaper

Okay okay I gave in with my laziness and told it to iterate through each page of the user index and not to recurse to find new users, it should be faster and more efficient now.

also I am not sure what my goal is, I just kinda enjoy doing this for some reason, it's interesting to see peoples reactions and to meet people and stuff, and this is probably not the best way to do that but its the way I started doing it... I guess I will have to find a new hobby anyway, one day I am either going to be banned from every art site ever or already be watching every user ever heh

atrocity

10 years, 10 months ago

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@ atrocity

wait... its not doing it right... *checks code again*

GreenReaper

10 years, 10 months ago

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Edited 10 years, 10 months ago by Owner

@ atrocity

Perhaps you could focus on providing interesting information about websites, rather than the watching which a) creeps some people out, and b) ultimately just wastes lots of time.

People seemed to like your species graphs on FA. We don't record that here for users, but there's a lot of information available via the API - you could look at the most popular keywords for a user's submissions, for example, or patterns of +favs and views per keyword, or . . .

MaDrow

10 years, 9 months ago

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@ GreenReaper

Given this:

"	atrocity wrote:
	(...)also I am not sure what my goal is, I just kinda enjoy doing this for some reason, it's interesting to see peoples reactions and to meet people and stuff, and this is probably not the best way to do that but its the way I started doing it...(...)

In combination with what he said here.

Concerns me. A lot.

What would withhold him to pass the crawled data to other people with less good meanings, or advertising company when he found a different hobby?

Just the fact that he just crawls the data and keep it like forever with no anonymization or opt-in/opt-out system, plus even that he doesn't know what to do with it, made me stunned that you didn't kickban him already.

GreenReaper

10 years, 9 months ago

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@ MaDrow

Nothing he does is anything that could not be done by you (or anyone, if they bothered to register). Watching just provides notifications for submissions and journals that he already had access to see as a member of the site - and it would be easy to run a bot under an innocuous account - several people do. The only private thing he can see is private messages sent to him.

There is already an advertising company which scrapes public data from the site and uses it to make money. It's called "Google". We recently made it easier for them to do so because it largely benefits the site and its users to be well-indexed.

MaDrow

10 years, 9 months ago

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@ GreenReaper

Still, the Google bot has a Guest status, while atrocity has not.

Which means that submissions, journals, etc with "Block Guests" marked, get included in atrocity's crawled data.

In my optics, it's still a breach of permissions.

GreenReaper

10 years, 9 months ago

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@ MaDrow

I don't think he's even looking at such things. From what I can see, his accesses have been to user pages, which are all public (perhaps something we should change, but that's a separate matter), with the goal of finding links to other user pages.

That said, there are members who are already indexing the site via our API, in one case for the purpose of providing a furry image search engine. Such conduct is not forbidden by our terms because it is in accordance with copyright law. Outright copying an entire submission or journal would be forbidden, as it is a violation of copyright.

MaDrow

10 years, 9 months ago

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@ GreenReaper

"	GreenReaper wrote:
	I don't think he's even looking at such things. From what I can see, his accesses have been to user pages, which are all public (perhaps something we should change, but that's a separate matter), with the goal of finding links to other user pages.

The thing is that he doesn't use an API, and that he could still use other data on the profile page than watchers of the user without you having control on it on which kind of data he gathers.

You think that he won't use it, but you can't confirm that he doesn't use it behind the scenes. Assuming "bright skies" is always not a good idea in terms of security.

Don't get me wrong. He won't be the first one who put the an unencrypted dump of the crawled data on a filelocker after he found a different hobby.

Also do you notice that the last targets he crawls don't have any other watchers, nor get watched by other persons except the watchbot?

GreenReaper

10 years, 9 months ago

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@ MaDrow

Bright skies, burning like fire . . . wait, that's something else . . .

Like FA, we have a lot of users who just signed up to have an account to look at art. If you look at members in random order you'll see much the same. To reduce the load on the site I suggested he use this list rather than random links from user pages. Since he had already watched many of the people who were active, it's even more likely that he would be watching non-active people now. Or rather two weeks ago, since the bot seems to be inactive.

InstantFennec

10 years, 10 months ago

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@ atrocity

I'll repeat what I said on Weasyl when someone asked why you did it:

"Why are you climbing Mt. Inkbunny?"
"Because it's there."

wolfstar124

10 years, 10 months ago

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@ GreenReaper

or, OR, maybe there could be way to opt out of stuff like this? hmm? maybe a "this user can't watch you anymore" option?

keesh

10 years, 10 months ago

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OMG! This is a very good way to market a website or anything rather!!!

Hmmm....could you post this cute video? http://youtu.be/Fqnrdc39NF8

It will help raise money!! :D

Lonewoof

10 years, 7 months ago

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