most people don't understand that you spend a lot of time on drawings :/ even people in the real world sell artwork for 90+ and its not strange there is a thing called 'labor costs'
*gives you a knife* just make sure if anyone says this to you you slipped whilst cutting a cake :)
most people don't understand that you spend a lot of time on drawings :/ even people in the real wor
I am a writer and I charge 1-2 € per standart page and people love it because it is so cheap. I write because I like it and I relax when I transform my thoughts on paper. Its a hobby not a living. When you make a living out of hobby it becomes something... less enjoyable and the value and quality drops too IMHO. I am really freaked when someone makes a template for YCH auction starting at 90$ per char. which at the end actually raises to 150-200$ per char. Either people who actually buy it are too rich and I am too poor, or they are crazy. Not to mention those who would draw anything for a price. They may not like the subject, but commissioner paid him so he/she has to draw it. They can always say no, so why...
I am a writer and I charge 1-2 € per standart page and people love it because it is so cheap. I writ
its more so the feeling of when someone tells you you're not worth the amount you've asked for. It makes you feel worse than you are. Some say an artist is his/her own worst critique so when you question the price that he or her has set you basically stab them somewhere deep. People have their own reasons for making an artwork piece the amount they make it as you do with your writing, its rude to tell someone they aren't worth what they've asked and its better to just decide not to spend the $90 if you personally feel its too expensive rather than say "I don't think you're worth that much"
its more so the feeling of when someone tells you you're not worth the amount you've asked for. It m
I've seen this one guy who draws with crayons and doesn't have very good anatomy but asks for $90 solely because he only draws on real paper and therefore claims it's "more authentic", but... y'know, thats a completely different topic x'D
I've seen this one guy who draws with crayons and doesn't have very good anatomy but asks for $90 so
All artists go through this, my logo's go for $250+ depending on time spent, and people think it's crazy because 'It's just a logo!' My prints sell fairly cheap though :b
All artists go through this, my logo's go for $250+ depending on time spent, and people think it's c
well yes...but your selling ALOT MORE then just a logo =p your selling a symbol people will equate to something it drives sales or circulates information about something your allso selling the rights to that logo so that a person or company can use it as intended, to represent themselves a company, corporation, product, group or cause. if that is secsessfull or at least operateing as expected said logo pays for itself allmost right away. It is a bit different then me handing you fifty bucks to draw my charicter in wich unless we agree otherwise I cannot Resell or in meny cases even ALTER the image without violateing your copyright.
if I need something to represent myself or my bussness that is 100% mine I need a profesionaly down Logo, that I own full permission and copyrights to. It is totaly different X3 then camission work
though I do see why people would not see it that way I could just give you 20 bucks to draw up a cute little logo for Bunnytech Inc. TM XD but if I slaped that ON ANYTHING i would owe you a royalty, a big one! becouse it's for profit, it's on things im selling and on my buildings.
well yes...but your selling ALOT MORE then just a logo =p your selling a symbol people will equate t
True that I'm selling all my artist rights to the logo, however, the same thing should apply to all pieces of artwork. Time + Materials = Price, and it's very important for people to understand that being an artist is a feat that is beyond difficult, therefore, shouldn't be cheap. Otherwise, everyone would be an artist. :b
True that I'm selling all my artist rights to the logo, however, the same thing should apply to all
Also think about this, you do design, here is the same, furrows who think that drawing porn is the same that drawing art, is true, this is some kind of art, but a very cheap... I know furries who now do they art outside fandom and they sell pretty expensive, an average of 800-2000 with authenticity documents and signature, some even have they works curated.
Drawing porn is cheap, doesn't matter you sell a draw for 200, that's cheap in the art world and its a big difference between us drawing porn and then drawing art, also a different world...
Btw, As I always said, if you can't sell your work that expensive you have two chooses, don't to sell, or sell it cheap... 99% shoots for the cheap ^^!... It's so tempted to take that easy money instead of hard working looking for someone who wants to spend that much and apply sales and close techniques on them... It's more easy to stay at home and do nothing but move your hand and draw all via Internet.
Also think about this, you do design, here is the same, furrows who think that drawing porn is the s
I'm a huge stickler about my prices, if someone isn't willing to pay for my design, then they obviously can't afford me and should look elsewhere. Especially in design, you get what you pay for.
I'm a huge stickler about my prices, if someone isn't willing to pay for my design, then they obviou
no puedo opinar mucho sobre esto, pero supongo no debe ser nada agradable que le pongas todas tus ganas cuando dibujas, te empeñes en que el resultado sea de lo mejor y satisfactorio para ti y ese tipo de comentarios de la "realidad" realmente em.. ouch!! : /
no puedo opinar mucho sobre esto, pero supongo no debe ser nada agradable que le pongas todas tus ga
I've seen pieces go for over 5k in auction at conventions before. Considering the amount of time that goes into a lot of work out there a lot of artists make less than minimum wage.
I've seen pieces go for over 5k in auction at conventions before. Considering the amount of time t
Also art is a luxory, not a need. Anyone needs a piece of art for their own, or a customized art for him/her. It's not that you need it as you have to buy food or pay the rent, but artists we have that need too, so we live of people and brands who can afford that, fortunately we put for free our art on internet galleries to everyone can appreciate them.
Also art is a luxory, not a need. Anyone needs a piece of art for their own, or a customized art for
People don't understand that art, too, is a type of labor, and so is writing (which I get a lot of crap about). Artists have to make money, and people can't just expect them to sell for the material price.
Ugh... People infuriate me. Well, at least there are people who do understand. :)
People don't understand that art, too, is a type of labor, and so is writing (which I get a lot of c
Some YCH auctions go high as hell in bids, I'm like you're spending that much on a pic? It makes me wonder about the fandom. I look at the quality of art to base the price.
Some YCH auctions go high as hell in bids, I'm like you're spending that much on a pic? It makes me
i tend to faver the camissioner in the artist camission debate XD but even I must admit in this scenario, 20 USD is an entirely unrealistic expectation i like your work and for what you do your worth alot more then 20 bucks XD
i tend to faver the camissioner in the artist camission debate XD but even I must admit in this scen
That's why I can't afford more art - the last pic I commissioned was 65, and my tip is going to be much more, as soon as I can cover it, because I love art. That, and that specific pic exceeded my expectations :3
That's why I can't afford more art - the last pic I commissioned was 65, and my tip is going to be m
Haggling and bargaining is a big part of most-any kind of business. Remember that value is only reached with consent. Stand firm on your price or, if you really need the money for a "drawing", learn to haggle down as little as possible to get the most for it. Also, learn the trick of retail: give a face charge of like $20 over what you actually want, and then haggle down from that high. An abridged example: "Actually, I wanted to sell it for $110..." "$110? It's just a drawing!" "A drawing that took me twenty hours total to produce. Look at the work in this drawing. All hand done." "$110 is too much!" "*sighs* $105? How about $105?" "I'd give you $80." "Naw, man! Twenty hours of careful hand-drawn work up in this bitch! This isn't Photoshopped or traced!" "... $85. It's just a drawing!" "A drawing that you like, and that others are gonna like too. $100?" "$90. I can't lay down three digits for this." "Fine. I can go with $90." Sometimes, art needs some help to sell...
Haggling and bargaining is a big part of most-any kind of business. Remember that value is only reac
You missed one important thing here... It's a digital draw, non tangible things are harder to sell D=... And yes, the price is set according the artist, if the artist doesn't know how to sell, then it's cheap, if the artist have real experience, then he can sell it pretty expensive. Same old art story, not only furry.
Good thing you put a price on a comish so people and artist set it from the beginning.
You missed one important thing here... It's a digital draw, non tangible things are harder to sell D
Art are not the materials, not the brushes or the canvas, it's the expression that the artist is putting on the drawing/painting, doesn't matter if it's digital or traditional.
Art are not the materials, not the brushes or the canvas, it's the expression that the artist is put
We need to separate between a commissioner or an high artist.
Draw something you like and try to sell it here that's maybe near to impossible to sell.
I don't like this draw cause isn't accurate at all, an artist, a real one is more active, they know his prices, they sell his art and if someone don't buy it, then another person will... If you change the tiger and the wolf from places then you see how the same work he wants to buy for 1600 doesn't cost more than 90... And the bad thing is if a high artist sells one of his works for 1600 then he can't never sell a work for less. Pretty complicate how it works but that's why curators spends most of his time looking for new artists.
But I like the theme, I like some answers and what people think ^^, also enjoy your draws, don't misunderstand me plz.
We need to separate between a commissioner or an high artist. Draw something you like and try to s
I completely agree with you in this... even though the style is amazing if you're an artist that has no huge fame like others... normally people will come claiming you should sell your art in less than is worth or even ask it for free... It's really sad and something the fandom needs to improve, we have to start seeing the drawings by the worth, not by the artist fame!
I completely agree with you in this... even though the style is amazing if you're an artist that ha
What a rude Creature!!! Your art is so awesome, and fully worth its price, and i am always happy to get art from you :O Never let thos people get you down. You didn't deserve a treatment like that *cuddles the cute Panda*
What a rude Creature!!! Your art is so awesome, and fully worth its price, and i am always happy to
i try to keep my "wow thats too much" to myself and just admire from a distance. sorry i just dont make a lot at my job and the old barter or making payments systems dont seem to work well at cons or with most artists
i try to keep my "wow thats too much" to myself and just admire from a distance. sorry i just dont m
Now... commenting on the actual drawing, I love it. I actually felt bad for the raccoon, I got a huge sense of personality out of the raccoon and cheetah and you obviously spent some time on this with all that detail and subtle shading. Your drawings always have a sense of motion whereas many I seen are more of a pose. Great job Paco.
Now... commenting on the actual drawing, I love it. I actually felt bad for the raccoon, I got a hug
Awrrr thank you very very much. This is the first comment about the drawing and not the topic, hehe. Although I've posted it on all the galleries, pages on facebook and tumblr. *big lick*
Awrrr thank you very very much. This is the first comment about the drawing and not the topic, hehe.
Sad, but true. Most of the buyers tend to throw a temper tantrum at the prices, but you get what you pay for. Especially where quality is concerned. Haggling is one thing. Acting like a baby is another.
Rule of Acquisition #64: Don't talk shop. Talk shopping.
Sad, but true. Most of the buyers tend to throw a temper tantrum at the prices, but you get what yo
Ive done art professional and here for the community and this is something that i cant agree with enough. I drop my prices due to it being a fandom and all but OMG i cant stand the amount of amazing talent on this site and others that are underselling themselves cause of this shit.
Ive done art professional and here for the community and this is something that i cant agree with en
how much the average person is willing to pay for art depends on a factor of things that the artist often doest consider, the quality of the work [duh] who made it [the more famous you are the more money a furson will be wiling to drop on your work, which is why Dark Natasha originals command 1~2 hundred dollars and up and a new artist to the community would be lucky to get 20~30] and content, sometimes but not always if the material the artist is drawing/willing to draw is rarer youll get people willing to pay more money for it cause theres fewer people they can get it from.
how much the average person is willing to pay for art depends on a factor of things that the artist
You can flip the table if you think of artists like Adam Van. It'd be like this: - I'll pay you $500 - What?! Just $500?! I want at least $1500 for it! For I am the Adam fucking Van! I'm the fucking superstar of furry fandom! You aren't even allowed to look at this work for $500! ;)
You can flip the table if you think of artists like Adam Van. It'd be like this: - I'll pay you $500
That's too much ego, but well, that depens of the guy who pays for the artist and not for the piece. Recently a friend paid to a famous artist a lot of money for his fursona drawn by him, and sincerely was a piece of shit X_X Honestly, I'm very nervous when I recieve a lot of money for a painting because I know it have to worth the price they paid me, so I need to be very inspired for that, going out and research exactly what I'll do, that it have to be an awesome piece of art.
That's too much ego, but well, that depens of the guy who pays for the artist and not for the piece.
To be honest (and many people agree), technology has cheapened the idea of art. Now days folks can print off a picture even on canvass and the first one looks like the last. Other than the ideas in a commission, there is no way of getting an original picture using electronic media. Yeah, you can get a nice picture, but since there is no proof of being an original, it feels somewhat less valued than something drawn on traditional media. If I were to buy something to frame on my wall, I would much prefer traditional media compared to electronic. I have a couple 'limited edition lithograph' pictures, but would switch them out if I got an original picture. I know that sucks, but that is what technology has done to art.
To be honest (and many people agree), technology has cheapened the idea of art. Now days folks can
Reminds me of a class we're taking here. Because professionals who really just want to 'help people' end up finding themselves giving in too often, having customers pay 'another time', and find themselves short.
Reminds me of a class we're taking here. Because professionals who really just want to 'help people'
Cracked magazine (defunct now) had a fantasy-reality dept., something like this. I saved several as favorites.
My fantasy is bringing my 1100+ pg fanfic on Casper to Harvey and speaking to them about publishing it professionally. They say "Much is excellent, but - parts are weak. We are bringing in a staffer to work on those parts." She comes in and says "Hello." and I say "give her credit as co-author for any illuminations and it's a deal !"
Cracked magazine (defunct now) had a fantasy-reality dept., something like this. I saved several as
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