From now I'll not use this website anymore, little by little this website is going to become another AI Art dump like DeviantArt, simple as that. #SupportHumanArtists #NoToAIArt
I know I probably sound dismissive but come on, nobody is forcing you to use AI to make art. And if you join our community you'd see more than one popufur using the new medium to enhance their work, not replace it.
Support human painters, say no to digital art! Or if you'd like to explore the new medium with us f
AI art programs "sample" (steal) from human artists in order to function. Yes AI art does force it's self on human artists, just not in the way you present. AI art is a cheap knockoff created at the expense of real human creativity. What you don't mention is, most people are not using it to enhance their art, they are using it to straight up do 99% of the work. Poses and fakers, who don't mind undercutting and exploiting the hard work of real human artists. The fundamentals of operation for AI technology is exploitive and violates intellectual rights/laws. "just use it responsibly bro" is a cop-out excuse that a lot of us see straight through.
AI art programs "sample" (steal) from human artists in order to function. Yes AI art does force it's
Instead of being afraid of AI, how about exploring it and seeing what you can do to harness it as a creative tool. Not trying to be harsh about this. But the cold hard reality is AI is bringing seismic changes to creative industries regardless of your feelings about it. This is because the economy, which does not care about people's feelings, is demanding AI to happen due to the fact that utilizing AI increases productivity by orders of magnitude and reduces costs by orders of magnitude. In the case of art it will become a matter of "Why should I pay an human artist, hundreds or even thousands of dollars and wait anywhere from a couple of weeks to a couple of months to get my art when I can simply ask the likes of Chat GPT 4 to do it and it gives me comparable results in just a few seconds and at little to no cost to me?" That's what AI brings to the table rather people like you like it or not. So I don't know about you, this artist *points to myself" instead of being afraid of being tossed in the dust bin of irrelevance by AI, I'm doing everything I can to learn about it and see how I can harness it as a creative tool...you know give myself a fighting chance to remain relevant in the AI driven world we are heading into.
Instead of being afraid of AI, how about exploring it and seeing what you can do to harness it as a
Also, if AI art gets your panties in a twist, maybe you should complain about self driving cars. Self driving vehicles will literally put 10% of the workforce to the unemployment office (while only 2% work in an artistic profession).
You can do both, you know. Also, if AI art gets your panties in a twist, maybe you should complain
Literally every comment here is supportive of AI art, and it is genuinely disturbing. Like people, just grab a pencil and start sketching and practicing. People are less and less fooled by AI, as its become more recognizable, and it is CLEARLY hated.
I know my account is blank, but thats only because I've put everything into storage myself because of this garbage dump of AI art amongst other things.
Literally every comment here is supportive of AI art, and it is genuinely disturbing. Like people, j
Literally this, I don’t understand why people think this is “progress”, they seriously don’t understand what art is even about with those kinds of mindsets
Literally this, I don’t understand why people think this is “progress”, they seriously don’t underst
they seriously don’t understand what art is even about with those kinds of mindsets
Art is about expressing yourself through whatever medium you choose. AI art is enabling many more people to express themselves. I feel like it's a huge improvement that more people can express themselves, and I love what I've seen expressed here.
Please note I still love and support traditional artists too! But I'm never going to deny someone a tool that enables someone to express themselves.
~~~ Quote by nekospal: they seriously don’t understand what art is even about with those kinds
That is untrue. As someone who's art disabled as myself, who can't even draw flies, as I've pointed out elsewhere, I try to use a i r to visualize my character concept, and then provide it to a traditional artist to get a commission from them. And yet continually I am turned down because I use AI art to create the initial concept. It is good at conceptualizing and translating someone's text into an image, however imperfect.
A good example, one of the characters I wish to get drawn is a king cheetah. No matter what AI generator I put that into, the either put a crown on the cheetah, or just ignore the king part altogether and give them traditional cheetah spots. So I have to use this flawed image, to go to an artist, and get real art done of this character that no AI can do.
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Expressing what exactly? They literally aren’t even doing anything lmfao
That is untrue. As someone who's art disabled as myself, who can't even draw flies, as I've pointed
"The fundamentals of operation for AI technology is exploitive and violates intellectual rights/laws."
Yeah, how about fuck that noise... Do you know how unreasonable copyright is in the United States? It lasts 70 years after an author's life, or 120 years for a work by a corporation. Wanna talk about stealing? How about rights holders stealing culture from generations to come. My fucking children's children's children aren't going to be able to watch Game of Thrones legally without paying for it. The public domain has been bastardized.
What's this talk of your rights over imaginary property? The only reason we have this exception to free speech is to encourage the production of new media, and ultimately the enlargement of the public domain. Copyright is not a human right, it is monopoly granted to you by the government. And IP holders have consistently warped and extended it over the years.
And now that the masses finally have a tool to bring their ideas to life that doesn't involve you or your property, you're threatend. Now you're saying you suddenly have rights over things that have never been copyrightable, abstract things like 'style'. Or some insane idea that I need to pay you because an algorithm processed some jpegs you made. Even though you can't tell me how much to pay you, or how much your images actually affected the algorithm. You're trying to claim ownership over studying art to learn basic facts like composition or color theory.
No! Fuck that! Rights owners have enough fucking power! We as a society don't need to give them more by limiting fair use even further. You're pissed off because you recognize that you're obselete. That this skill you spent years developing doesn't earn you a wage or more importantly make you special anymore. If you're self worth is tied up in this specialized skill you developed, O can see why that would hurt. But it doesn't out weigh the immense benefits AI delivers to 99% of people who don't have that skill.
If AI is really inferior then people will continue to rely on human digital artists and you have nothing to worry about. But we both know that's not true is it? People are making amazing things with AI and it's just going to keep getting better. So instead of thinking we need to ban it so that artists can make a living maybe you should start thinking about how for the first time in human history you and I might live to see an age where work as a whole is completely optional.
I mean, fuck dude, isn't that worth being excited about? Isn't that worth fighting for?
"The fundamentals of operation for AI technology is exploitive and violates intellectual rights/laws
You people don’t see the problem with it because you’re all unskilled hacks, no one would ever consider stealing from you because you produce nothing of value
You people don’t see the problem with it because you’re all unskilled hacks, no one would ever consi
I am really tired of this narrative that AI generation is just typing a prompt and clicking a button. If that were true there would be no difference if quality between people in my community. When some people vastly outperform others. We sometimes have competitions on a given theme and I remember someone casually telling me that they probably spent around 16 hours on a given picture. It's not just prompt engineering, there is the process of creating your collection of custom LoRAs, impainting, figuring our your negative prompts, and constantly iteraring.
Saying that everyone who makes AI artwork is an unskilled hack sounds like it comes from the same ignorance as a a painter saying that there is no skill in photography and it's not an art form because all you are doing is pressing a button. Imagine telling everyone photography should be discouraged because early photographs were inferior to portraits and it threatens the livelihood of portrait artists.
...of course photography is incredibly useful, and eventually led to the medium of motions pictures and after that, videogames. And since generative AI is still in its early infancy I am super excited to see what new mediums come about from it. I would encourage you not to be short sighted. You know lowering the skill level of entry for creative works is a really positive thing. Imagine complaining about critically acclaimed indie games on Steam because the designers didn't have to write their own game engine, or they used Python instead of a lower level more tedious language like C.
Also have you bothered to look at the Best of Cub Club channel? How can you possibly say among absolutely all of those images there is nothing of value? I found some to be genuinely breathtaking. And if you're really feeling cocky about it why not unhide your gallery and we can go through both sets of images and compare. After all, if our community really produces nothing of value it should be an easy win for you.
I am really tired of this narrative that AI generation is just typing a prompt and clicking a button
It’s incredibly funny how delusional you are, you love to use other art forms to try to defend your point when you just look stupid. Photography is not the same as AI even if you think it is. Why should artists feel threatened by photography, it’s not like photographers are stealing their work like you people. Same thing with your comparison earlier, why should traditional painters be offended over digital artists? They’re both still skilled and do actual work, neither steal from either and most I’ve seen have respect for each other. Also why would we be critical of indie games? Using a game engine isn’t stealing? The entire point of game engines are for them to be used by others. An artist’s work isn’t, it’s still protected by copyright. Just because you’re uncreative and unskilled doesn’t mean you get to take people’s art and use them how you please. Seriously why do you feel entitled to the hard work of others?
Why should I look your channel? I already know it’s AI art? Nothing there is worth my time, it’s all made by people who are incapable of understanding what peoples’ art means to them and see them only as “oooo pretty” and to be used as fodder for your datasets. You don’t understand because you’re not an artist, if you were you’d realize why you’re wrong. Besides cub isn’t my thing 🤷
It’s incredibly funny how delusional you are, you love to use other art forms to try to defend your
Look, it's one thing for you to debate me with points I can discuss. I can appreciate us having differences of opinion. It's another to flat out reject the artistic merits of our community, but then refuse to examine any of the artwork claiming you don't need to because you have already rejected its artistic merits. What if another artist said all furry art was trash and then when you tried to show them good furry art they responded with 'I don't need to look at it, why would I? I already know it is trash and those people have no talent!'
Of course photographers steal the work of artists. Before the invention of photography you had to pay an artist to paint your portrait. That entire line of expertise was basically wiped out except for very fringe cases. How many people pay for a family portrait rather than photograph these days?
It's just as much 'stealing' as processing artist images with an algorithm, the idea that you 'own' information is just an invention to allow creators to make a living off their art. I'm not stealing something from you when I download your art from IB in the same sense of stealing a car because in the former case you aren't actually deprived of anything. I'm just using my computer to move information around.
And you know I sure you think I'm an asshole. But I am not unsympathetic to the plight of someone being afraid they can't make a living anymore off what they love. Workforce displacement sucks. I just don't think the solution is to shame AI artists.
As for the game engine example, you might be surprised to learn that there have been numerous court cases regarding software copyright. Do you think someone should be able to claim ownership over a user interface? Or a genre, like first person shooters? What about a programming API? Like thr Oracle vs Google debacle over Java.
If you think that someone should pay you royalties for processing your art to make something new, why shouldn't we pay John Carmack for his early work on 3D engines. Or Ubisoft for pioneering the 'tower climbing / map uncovering' trope in open world RPGs. Should From Software have a monopoly on thr Souls-like genre? After all, other people are making money off their work. And you're claiming artists deserve royalty for people who process their images, even if the output is completely distinct from the input.
Look, it's one thing for you to debate me with points I can discuss. I can appreciate us having diff
Except AI “artists” genuinely have no talent lmfao. I genuinely don’t care what you think, your “community” is just one of thieves, just because you’re trying to bring in unrelated topics doesn’t mean anything. AI can only work off of datasets and datasets were made with stolen artwork. Simple as that, whatever mental gymnastics you want to do to avoid admitting that art was stolen is irrelevant.
Except AI “artists” genuinely have no talent lmfao. I genuinely don’t care what you think, your “com
Also no one said downloading art is stealing? Downloading artwork isn’t the problem, it’s unauthorized use of the art? No matter how much you want to cry about rights holders, artists’ work is protected by copyright. You can’t just use them however you wish. Seriously stop being disingenuous, if you really cared about artists like you say then you wouldn’t be supporting the thing that the majority of artists have a problem with? You don’t care, don’t pretend like you do. You just want to skip the entire process, you don’t care about art, you just want something now without having to put in the work for it and don’t care who you hurt by doing that. So yea I do think you’re an asshole, you sure are presenting as one.
Also no one said downloading art is stealing? Downloading artwork isn’t the problem, it’s unauthoriz
I used to dislike A.I art, but quite frankly, I have gotten used to it to the point where I'm okay with it. Some people who post AI generated images put more manual input into their images that you might think. It's not a matter of typing a few words and getting an instant result. Sure, it can be done that way, but if you want a really good image, it's not that simple.
Yes, it's sometimes a bit disappointing to see a lot of AI art in the popular tab, when you've worked weeks on a pic that never makes it, but hey, when it does, it makes you feel a bigger sense of accomplishment.
Know that NO ONE will take away the years of learning and experience you've earned as an artist. That alone is something that AI cannot replace. Feel proud about your own stuff and just ignore A.I if it' not your thing. Inkbunny has a lot of tools that help you filter out specific content that you don't like.
And also, I have to mention that A.I art might be the only way some people can express their creativity when the ability or knowledge to produce art is not there. And that is something really cool. Art is something learned through the years, yes, but not all people have the talent that art requires, even after a lot of practice.
I used to dislike A.I art, but quite frankly, I have gotten used to it to the point where I'm okay w
Like a little kid (probably is, considering) rage quitting and having to tell everyone about it. Where will be the joke now about getting ripped off on commissions when people just turn to AI to do their own? Seriously, furry fandom being catered to by the few maybe responsible artists (who knows anymore, anyway) is gone. As so many refer to "artists" within an in-group, I can truly say that when someone tells me to think of the human artists, and in particular furry artists, what am I supposed to think when so many have personal problems, use that as an excuse to rip people off or in other ways just be grifters all the time treating everything like a charity case? AI is going to sort this niche art out real quick!
Like a little kid (probably is, considering) rage quitting and having to tell everyone about it. Wh
AI is not art, it's all garbage. It's taking work and credit away from REAL artists. Lazy, broke, talentless, unimaginative people use AI. Typing in words and getting an image isn't skill, and no one using AI should be getting ANY support, attention or money from anyone!!!!
AI is not art, it's all garbage. It's taking work and credit away from REAL artists. Lazy, broke, ta
Also don't give up on this site. I agree it largely sucks for supporting and not supporting certain things, but in the case of all this ai garbage, I search ai and then ban/block any user that has anything posted with those tags. Simple. Nobodies that use ai aren't worth anything.
Also don't give up on this site. I agree it largely sucks for supporting and not supporting certain
