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A Panda Proposition 10

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Second to last page! The last page is already up on bizyvore.com a couple weeks early. You can see this one on a site that respects actual artists https://www.furaffinity.net/view/52782420/ or https://aryion.com/g4/view/909288

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Published: 1 year, 2 months ago
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Kupok
1 year, 2 months ago
On October 17th 2010, Fur Affinity Staff was made aware of a great number of critical security issues. None of them were addressed, the person who made the staff aware resigned from their position in development for the site, and was subsequently banned. Predictably, in December of that year, the FurAffinity database of passwords and private notes were hacked and released to the public.

(The slight good news from this is that a child molester was caught well... molesting children in private notes and was forced to be banned despite having been a close associate of Preyfar.)

No. Fur Affinity had lost respect for it's userbase at that point. It is still plagued with unaddressed security problems.

Your grievance with the AI Policy on InkBunny is very valid, do not get me wrong. I do not wish to try to make out that Ink Bunny is good or correct in any way especially in regards to AI tolerance, I simply do not want to hear that Fur Affinity "respects its artists" unchallenged.
BizyMouse
1 year, 2 months ago
Well as soon as they take the sensible option and ban ai I'll return to posting.
Kupok
1 year, 2 months ago
Hmm? I am in no way compelling or advocating or asking you to post to InkBunny at this time.
BizyMouse
1 year, 2 months ago
I've spent 11 years advocating for this site I would sure like to be able to use it again.
Kupok
1 year, 2 months ago
Then do so.

It is impossible to use a service you are not in direct control of without compromising your principles in some way. We place the weight of our principles in different values. The value of good opsec and the value of artistic integrity are both important values, and I respect you placing heavier emphasis on artistic integrity.

I do not have any problem with your decision not to post to inkbunny. Or anywhere. It is your works, your heart.

I just had to speak up when I heard something as absurd as the suggestion that FurAffinity respects it's artists.
It does not. It is okay if FA's disrespect is not enough in the ways that you personally value to stop you from posting there, I just strongly, STRONGLY disagree with the notion that FA respects it's userbase in any way, shape or form.

"FA is shit, but it has the right idea about the role of AI in an art based community" is a perfectly okay thing to say. Agreeable even. "FA respects it's artists" is not.
BizyMouse
1 year, 2 months ago
You will have to come to terms with the fact that inkbunny's actions here have placed their respect for artists below that of furaffinity. Sorry, but it is that grievous.
Somerandomcat
1 year, 2 months ago
I'm not sure how else I could say it, been sitting here thinking for a while, but uh... Here goes I guess?
With this, I don't think it could be considered a fact, it's an opinion. With both they have their own downsides (of which both are of a varying severity). I understand that you're well... VERY upset, but still, opinion not fact. Tried to be as respectful as possible here, sorry almost preemptively (because the apology is *after* everything else) if what I said upset you.
Kupok
1 year, 2 months ago
"Below Furaffinity" is a fine term, there is nothing wrong with it. It is not the same as "FurAffinity respects it's artists."
PrinceJoshuaRyuken123
1 year, 2 months ago
well i guess that guy is gone.
axlegear
1 year, 2 months ago
FA respects it's artists?  Right now, during the 'cute-art style' ban?

FFS, I quit with these people.
Silgon
1 year, 2 months ago
"on a site that respects artists" then puts a link to FA where they are randomly banning pokemon and digimon and cute/small looking characters... If you think FA respects artists then you my friend are sorely mistaken. Whatever gripes you might have of AI art does not mean FA somehow does just because of their stance on it.
BizyMouse
1 year, 2 months ago
Well one site is full of ai and one is not. Which should an artist choose to use.
Silgon
1 year, 2 months ago
the one that doesn't ban entire fandoms? the one that doesn't ban art styles? sucks that there is AI here but your entire work isn't randomly being threatened because some random mod decided that whatever IP or style you are using suddenly isn't acceptable. You can blacklist what you don't want to see and people who do so won't see it which means they get to see everything else.
guestmuk
1 year, 2 months ago
Somebody's gonna die. And not just the boy in Mei Mei's stomache.
DraggyRaida
1 year, 2 months ago
Did you know that you can train an AI locally by giving the images and pre-filtering them by a human, that makes mean a human can enter the insecure FurAffinity (or anyother website like in your case) and take the image and use it to train the AI, the problem is that this takes much longer but it is a way to circumvent putting things like "NO AI" in images.
We have no escape... sadly.
Trooper036
1 year, 2 months ago
Look up Glaze, it's a program developed by the University of Chicago which has been developed as a very hard to see overlay on artwork that causes AI models to spit out faulty results. Its probably not a total solution right now, but its a step in the right direction.
BizyMouse
1 year, 2 months ago
All I'm looking for is a ban on posting ai work here. Nothing more.
Trooper036
1 year, 2 months ago
I'm with you there. I've not seen anything truly promising results from AI generation that can't be done either by the artist themselves or a procedural tool like 3d models/brushes. If an artist of any stripe doesn't have a direct hand in it, it shouldn't be allowed on the site.
DraggyRaida
1 year, 2 months ago
interesting, I will look at it, thanks,
BlackLynx
1 year, 2 months ago
Ah yes, show me the last respectable oil on canvas painting you did, before you dare call yourself a 'real' artist. I remember when 3d rendered art was under the same scrutiny a few years back. FA nearly baned all of it cause you didn't know if someone build his own models or 'just' placed them. Everyone went here and for a while the Frontpage was flooded with cheap view grabs. And now? The bad has been mostly filtered out since people lost interest in looking at or creating bad 3dcg stuff. I would expect the same happening with ai when the interest diminishes.
BizyMouse
1 year, 2 months ago
shutup loser
CanopicJar4
1 year, 2 months ago
This is why I don't claim to be an artist and don't consider my job to be that of an artist. Video games aren't considered art. And when the first games came onto the market. The business industry stuck them behind the porn industry. Meaning in order to find the first video game cabinet. People had to walk past the porn section of the business con to find the small pit that was the video game cabinet. And then e3 and all that was born so that games had their own place and wasn't just shoved into some dank cum crusty hole.
charyoshi
1 year, 2 months ago
I'd rather see artists paid a universal basic income than the art machine being poopoo'd away because it's better than people at stealing. Lots of technology is better than people at things, it happens all the time. It's only a problem when it eats into livelihoods.
BizyMouse
1 year, 2 months ago
It is very easy to just not allow ai on inkbunny. This is a site for artists, not a dump. There are already innumerable websites to dump ai onto.
GreyMaria
1 year, 2 months ago
"website that respects artists"
>cites Furaffinity

The salary of a clown is $51,000/yr. And you're doing it for free!
BizyMouse
1 year, 2 months ago
And you're getting banned for free
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