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To say that I'm dissatisfied with the current state of the babyfur community would be a dramatic understatement.

(Yes, I'm whining again. I have not yet BEGUN to whine!)

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male 1,185,762, diaper 77,240, bear 48,757, babyfur 38,730, brown bear 1,668, lobotomy 67, vapid 2, mandatory happiness 1
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Published: 1 year, 7 months ago
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BlazeHeartPanther
1 year, 7 months ago
Fune times we're living in for sure XP
FriskyWoods
1 year, 7 months ago
Not particularly.
SweetieSlushy
1 year, 7 months ago
truly the dystopia of our time
ShadeKoopa
1 year, 7 months ago
Heha, funny pic.

Though, I'm out of the loop. What is going on with the community now?
FriskyWoods
1 year, 7 months ago
Babyfur is too safe, too stupid, too vapid, too willing to accede to the demands of increasingly advertiser-driven art sites. It's boring, it's empty calories, and nobody seems to care.
Meters
1 year, 7 months ago
Are you talking about babyfur arts or FA, 'cause Imma don't remember a time babyfur anything is advertiser friendly D:
Even the "SFW" label doesn't apply very well to babyfur content, since it's inherently kink based* (there's a difference between drawing baby animals and babyfur content)
Babyfur will never get to be generally-socially-acceptable (not a bad thing) since it's a social quirk (not a bad thing, variance does not inherently mean bad)
As long as there's someone drawing babyfur stuff, it'll always be weird

What exactly are you looking for Frisky? Is there some kinda content or mood you wish is more seen as acceptable or something?

*Disclaimer: Imma not here to define what being a babyfur is to you, your definition of babyfur is valid and you are allowed to enjoy the content however you like, that's not for me to decide. If you like babyfur content even for non-kink related reasons, that is fine, again it's not for me to decide what's your business, please don't take this as an attack on your definitions, such variance should be allowed and encouraged
FriskyWoods
1 year, 7 months ago
Put simply, babyfur art is unsatisfying in its current state. There's no expression, and little character development. I'm hungry for something meatier.
Meters
1 year, 7 months ago
Well, what kinda content or topics do you feel has been restricted in the current community moods that you would like to see more of?
FriskyWoods
1 year, 7 months ago
I think you can readily understand the kind of artwork I like just by looking through my gallery. I want people to post art that provokes thought and discussion, and a cute standing pose without any meaningful context doesn't do that. The responses are all "aw, that's cute," because what else is there to say? It's cute. And nothing else.

Put bluntly: babyfur is too dumb. I'd like it to be slightly less dumb. We wear diapers for kicks so I'm not expecting Masterpiece Theater or War and Peace, but man, give me at least a little scrap of nutrition.
Meters
1 year, 7 months ago
Is that really discouraged? I mean, Imma not really around much so you kinda have to let me know
Don't people use babyfur arts as a form of expression/exploration of self, desire, safety, acceptance, a chance to start over, a loving parent, a protective sibling, what it means to grow up or grown up, space for learning without judgement, separation of private/public lives, etc
Like these are common topics in babyfur content, and probably a few (or lot) cute pictures here or there
But like, you can use babyfur as an expression for more avant garde discussions (or any topic of your choosing), I really don't think anyone is gonna stop you, you are allowed to express how you like

Is there something that's giving you an impression that you can't? (or am I missing something)
FriskyWoods
1 year, 7 months ago
Most people don't do this, and the people who do have a funny habit of "disappearing" from FurAffinity. That's the point I'm trying to make. Yes, there are other options for posting artwork (I'm on one of them right now), but FA gets the most traffic, and when you're suspended or forced out of the site with intimidation, that's a major point of distribution you've lost. Losing FA as a distribution point means I've lost a significant chunk of my audience, to the point where I feel I've been excommunicated from the babyfur community... after being a part of it for over twenty years.

Look, I'm not going to spend the whole day jousting with you on this. It's clear you're seeing things from a different perspective, but I'm just trying to help you understand mine.
Meters
1 year, 7 months ago
Ah sorry if it seems like Imma jousting with you, Imma really just trying to understand what you're trying to say, I have a habit of overexplaining and asking weird questions (which is why I usually don't talk much), Imma sorry if I made any offense

It's hard losing access to an account you've worked hard on and cherish (and over unfair circumstances especially), that Imma understand
You're still you Frisky, you're more than just your arts, people will come if you keep making them
I wouldn't say all (or even majority) babyfur activities happen on FA, plus the "community" is more like a collective of cliques rather than a whole, you have your niches
People will find you where you go Frisky, 'cause they like you
ShadeKoopa
1 year, 7 months ago
Your not wrong. That's kinda what Babyfur art is to a degree. Maybe it's time for someone to fill that niche, hmm?
FriskyWoods
1 year, 7 months ago
I have no idea how to fill that gap in my life. I'm still trying to figure that out.
ShadeKoopa
1 year, 7 months ago
I have no answer for that. I can say you seem to fill the niche in question pretty well with your artwork. Whether that's enough is up to you. : P
purrito
1 year, 6 months ago
I get that to a degree, but I also just kinda want to do dumb things and look at dumb art to look at with my dumb brain after having to do smart work all day and night. Most babyfur/abdl stuff fits that criteria and brings me enjoyment.
FriskyWoods
1 year, 6 months ago
I guess it's all just different needs for different people. You live a stressful life and need comfort... I live a boring life and need mental stimulation.
purrito
1 year, 6 months ago
You should try programming, very stimulating, it's what I do
Spud117
1 year, 7 months ago
what the babyfur doing?
Reizinho
1 year, 7 months ago
Part of why I dropped the label myself.
FriskyWoods
1 year, 7 months ago
I've effectively been excommunicated from the babyfur community at large, due to its insistence on supporting a site that does not have its best interests at heart, and has demonstrated this repeatedly over the last two years.

People ask me why I'm bitter, and my response is, "Why WOULDN'T I be? Why SHOULDN'T I be?" I've put fifteen years into FurAffinity, only to get the bum's rush out. If it weren't for the art practice, I'd ask myself if any of it was worth it.

I haven't abandoned babyfur entirely, but I'm an outcast, a ronin, and it's clear my presence in polite society is unwanted. I'll just sit here in this cave, sharpening my sword until I find something that deserves to be cut to ribbons with it.
Reizinho
1 year, 7 months ago
As you feel, I feel.

*hug* I'm just on Inkbunny now.  I left all other sites. I have spent 12 years here and the rules only changed twice: to clarify photography restrictions and to add conditions to AI art. I think the owners of this site are more committed to keeping the furry fandom as it was way back.

I like you, buddy, I know you since you were on Deviantart and I feel that this drama on FA is approaching us, despite our differences.
FriskyWoods
1 year, 7 months ago
Yeah, I'm not... well right now. I've been on the internet for so long that I don't know how to live outside of it, but the recent social media collapse is forcing me out into the real world. It's aggravating.
Reizinho
1 year, 7 months ago
*nodded*
I get ya.
DiaperedPingas
1 year, 7 months ago
I've been dissatisfied with the current state of the entire fandom, let alone babyfurs, for years.  It also feels like the alternative to the "sterile" side is the cub-porn side you see all over this site.  I'd take a Tavi pic over sexual stuff any day.
FriskyWoods
1 year, 7 months ago
Kind of unfortunate that there's nothing between the two extremes, though.
DiaperedPingas
1 year, 7 months ago
There is.  Stuff that isn't squeaky clean, but doesn't feature sex or genitals.  I could list a few artists I know who dabble in that category.  Only thing is, it seems the majority pick an extreme and don't go for a middle-ground.
kromelazarus
1 year, 7 months ago
I am honestly not fond of the growing Clean Market with the Babyfur stuff lately since it is a kink no matter how you look at it. It's cute yet you can't honestly say that it has no heavy sexual undertones for it.

I'd rather have a thick skin and make it an open secret for myself. It has been part of me like this and want to present as it is.
FriskyWoods
1 year, 7 months ago
I've reached a point in my life where I'm not interested in compromising my artwork for the sake of someone else's bottom line. Where's the benefit to me? You get ad revenue, I get nothing.

There's lots of crap on InkBunny that I personally do not enjoy. I just ignore it, because I have that option, and I don't want to limit the right of free expression to others when I know how it feels being denied that right myself.
kromelazarus
1 year, 7 months ago
Nothing. You and I get nothing and I am glad I am not part of that. I have no idea what people been through or what they think should be presented as, I am not gonna budge nor support the idea that I have to compromise for everyone at all times.

I feel yah. Despite everyone telling what is right or wrong, I am not that type of guy. Circumstances are not created equal. I'd honestly feel more offended if people try to replace my kink with something else just to fit in.
Reizinho
1 year, 7 months ago
Even if it there was no sexual intention in the artist, we can't guarantee that there's no sexual intention in others, including those who draw other things. Anything can be a fetish, depending on the person. If a person want to ban things because someone could find them arousing, then that person will eventually want to ban all art.
BasedSqueaky
1 year, 7 months ago
This new-age obsession with marketability and a squeaky-clean image isn't especially far removed from what Burned Furs were seeking back in the day with the removal of sex from the fandom. I fear that things will eventually start going that way; people are trying to make "babyfur = pedophilia" a thing right now, and "anatomically accurate furs = zoophilia" is probably the next stop on that train, with "nsfw furry = zoophilia" a few years after that.

I hope mainstream furry comes to its senses before all that.
PinatasNPampers
1 year, 7 months ago
Burned Furs?
Reizinho
1 year, 7 months ago
Was a cringe group of puritanical furries.
PinatasNPampers
1 year, 7 months ago
Okay...
FriskyWoods
1 year, 7 months ago
Well, you keep seeing shitheads in this country pit Americans against other Americans, whether it's the current witch hunt against the LGBT community, or the open disdain for Democrats. If they can get that much anger and invective directed toward them, it would seem that we are particularly ripe for the same exploitation and abuse.

Humans will continue to hunt and destroy other humans who don't fit within their parameters of normalcy, until those boundaries shrink to the point where the entire species is choked out of existence. Good riddance.
DiaperedPingas
1 year, 7 months ago
"Open disdain for Democrats"

I've literally been blocked by people for being Libertarian, don't act like the blind, ignorant hatred is one-sided.
Reizinho
1 year, 7 months ago
This is stupid. People seem to no longer get along, because they expect people to be "perfect" and are willing to sever ties with anyone who does something they dislike, ignoring all other things they have in common. And then they complain about feeling alone. I'm not a libertarian, but we have things in common, that I cherish. I would sever ties with you over political stance.
FriskyWoods
1 year, 7 months ago
You mean wouldn't?
Reizinho
1 year, 7 months ago
I mean I would not, correct. Made a mistake while typing.:V May you forgive me.
Reizinho
1 year, 7 months ago
I meant to write "I would not sever ties with you over political stance", may you forgive me. o.o
PinatasNPampers
1 year, 7 months ago
Me? Advertisement-friendly? My ass.
BogdanUrs
1 year, 7 months ago
disown those who disown you <3
Teddy
1 year, 6 months ago
That's super-de-duper.  And remember to take your colourful pills like a good citizen.
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