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I think the whole thing is that Life is going about this the wrong way, and she does have to see that her children aren't doing what she would wish, or at the least are so busy bickering amongst one another that the moment that something comes up it will all fall apart.
I think the whole thing is that Life is going about this the wrong way, and she does have to see tha
She is not showing him too much compassion either considering that her meddling got him basically disowned and living on the streets. In fact, she doesnt even want to recognize that fact and just claims she had the best of intentions when she ruined his life lol.
She is not showing him too much compassion either considering that her meddling got him basically di
She didn't ruin his life. If you fail a test and parents disown you, because of that, does it means it's teacher's fault? No, she didn't make them disown you. Luna's best intentions were to keep Nigel from dying at hands of Chaos, cuz he was doing it ffor praises from his parents, not cuz he was devotet to the cause. All he needed to become guardian - find a eason in his heart and realise, that he WANTS it for himself and is ready/willing to protect the weak with his life at cost. There's no right move in said situation, everyone's flawed.
She didn't ruin his life. If you fail a test and parents disown you, because of that, does it means
The key is with why he failed, and the intent does not matter once you have clearly seen that your intentions have produced an even less favorable result. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
To err with good intentions is forgivable. But to remain blind and echo your own good intentions in the face of the damages you have caused... thats just narcissism
The key is with why he failed, and the intent does not matter once you have clearly seen that your i
The road to hell is paved with the best of intentions mom. Not recognizing that you can harm someone even if your intention was good, is a very very narcissistic thing.
The road to hell is paved with the best of intentions mom. Not recognizing that you can harm someone
The fault doesn't lie entirely with her. Nigel's parents are also to blame. Although you then have to wonder about the tree's sphere of influence then. Surely she could have stepped up and stopped Nigel's parents being so self absorbed, so prideful of their heritage, yet she didn't. She can supposedly see the future yet she doesn't try to steer towards better futures. Is that neglect or caution?
I don't know. Future sight is always a tricky can of worm-ass to open.
The fault doesn't lie entirely with her. Nigel's parents are also to blame. Although you then have t
She did talk with his parents, but they didn't listen and did as they pleased anyway. It's not in Luna's nature to force someone to do how she sees fit, so she respected their "free choice", same as she does with anyone. Is that a right thing to do? That's debatable, but that's Tree of Life's thing to do, that's how life works. She may be a Goddess of Life, but it's shown time and time again, that she's not perfect, in fact - she's FLAWED. That's why her followers no longer see her as Deity, no longer see her as Goddess, but rather as a simbol of sorts. They doubt her decidions, they barely listen. And if she had any future seeing abilities, I bet she could've prevented, or at least, tried to prevent, alot of disasters, knew where Chaos might strike, or how people might react to what she says. She's not omnipotent, not allseeing or allperceiving. She brings and aids Life, not makes everyone's life better.
As far as I know, there's no story about such deity, that selflessly makes everyone's life better and everybody's happy about it. Gods and deitys usually selfish, tyranic or at best, ignorant. Luna at least tries to help and aid.
She did talk with his parents, but they didn't listen and did as they pleased anyway. It's not in Lu
Yeah, but if she picked him and he brings about disaster when not ready, then you'd say she should've never chosen him in the first place. Jeopardize the whole world so you don't hurt a kid's feelings? As dubious as it may seem the Tree probably made the best decision she could think of given the circumstances. I don't think Nigel would've wanted to be adopted by the tree too after being cast out if he still couldn't be a guardian. That would drive his jealously and anger up the wall and lead to an even greater disaster like him joining Chaos or something like that.
Yeah, but if she picked him and he brings about disaster when not ready, then you'd say she should'v
with a goody I know what's best for you, while she made Nigel live on the street, I wouldn't be surprised if he will join the chaos. I really hope he does then show her what it is to get hurt. as I said a lot of pages ago, she is just a B. person, and I hope she gets whats coming to her.
I was hoping she changed a bit after reading the last few pages of the comic, but apparently she is not
with a goody I know what's best for you, while she made Nigel live on the street, I wouldn't be surp
I... honestly can't really imagine what she might say he lacks that Chili and Mira have, because those two are flat-out nasty. Arrogant, abrasive, and massively full of themselves. Honestly, he has a right to feel spurned. He dedicated his childhood to becoming one, became spurned and disowned, and what did those two do but grow up into entitled pricks? Honestly, I feel he's far more the protagonist than the girls. They had everything handed to them. He's had everything taken away. Maybe it's twisted him a bit, but he still just wants to fulfill that dream, while the girls go around calling people stupid and acting self-aggrandizing. In his shoes, I probably would have gone full villain and wound up killing 'em off.
I... honestly can't really imagine what she might say he lacks that Chili and Mira have, because tho
A bit of a reminder - he trained hard for praises from his parents. He had everything handed to him from the very start of his life too, but once he failed ONE test, his parents outright abandoned him. It wasn't Luna's fault they did, she tried to change their mind, but they didn't listen and did so anyway. Luna still believes he CAN be Guardian, despite all his selfishness and brattiness, and bitter hate for everyone around, he lacks ONE thing still, and she told him first and foremost what it is, yet he didn't listen. He lacks devotion, he lacks the desire to protect the weak, instead he wanted to become Guardian, for more praises from his parents. Mira and Chilli might be arrogant and snotty, but they apparently have what it takes to put their lives at risk, for the sake of others.
A bit of a reminder - he trained hard for praises from his parents. He had everything handed to him
It's a little difficult to imagine ANY prepubescent child having more "devotion to protect others at their own expense" than "need to gain the approval of those he loves and cherishes." Honestly, if that's the prerequisite, it's unlikely that She'd have any guardians at all being accepted under the age of, say, fourteen or so. That being said, he was genuinely dedicated, and She had the opportunity to nurture that. His story never mentioned ever being told what a guardian's role must be - only that becoming one is Good. She had a chance to hone his dedication and introduce him to the concept - and failed to do so, instead failing him out. Sure, She could not have predicted his parents basically abandoning him, but She should by now have the wisdom to see that TEACHING a child to act selflessly is a far more reliable and consistent method than expecting them to just naturally have that trait.
I don't believe She's to blame for what happened to him - that lies entirely on the shoulders of his parents. But I would expect an ageless "goddess" of her years and experience to have learned that if you want a child to have and show a trait,you train it into them. Nobody is born with a sense of morality, or compassion, or empathy. It is learned by experience and exposure. Any baby is just a bundle of instincts learning to become an animal, and every child is an animal that then learns to become a person.
She had the chance to accept this dedication, and train him in empathy - and flubbed it. In essence, she flunked his parents for not instilling that in him, and he paid the price. Even then, she had how many years in which she could have offered him guidance, a place, shelter, approval? All it would have taken was a few kind words, rather than pointing out what he lacked. "Come with me, child. You have the dedication and will - let me teach you the way to become a guardian."
It's a little difficult to imagine ANY prepubescent child having more "devotion to protect others at
If you look back at the pages where Nigel came to blame Luna for everything, she tried to upease him and tell him, that he may as well be anyone HE wants. The devotion to protect must come from the heart, it must be HIS desire, not desire of his parents. She said that Nigel's family as a whole is a huge mistery even to her - they raised kids the way they did for generations, and all of them turned to be genuinly ready to put themselves to the cause of a Guardian. Nigel is the only odd one out.
And once again, she could do anything in the world, but SHOULD she and WOULD it help in that situation? Nigel hated her guts, he believed that SHE was to blame for everything wrong that happened. He didn't accept any of her words, nor would've he accepted her offer to help.
https://www.furaffinity.net/view/44062585/ Luna been asked if people ever criticised her actions and does she regrets her choices? No, she does not. No matter the choice, good or bad - they're hers. And if somebody makes a choice - it's theirs to make, it's their life to live. As a Goddess of Life she doesn't want to rob someone of free will, as much as it pains her to see someone suffer from it. Life, as a concept, doesn't owe someone anything, as cruel as it is. Luna is Goddess of Life, and it clearly shows. Props to Zummeng for writing her so well. She's no way perfect, and she knows that, but that's what makes her... as she is.
If you look back at the pages where Nigel came to blame Luna for everything, she tried to upease him
The devotion to protect must come from the heart, it must be HIS desire, not desire of his parents.
Problem is, Not only was Nigel a Kid when it happened, meaning his Desires were formed from the desires given to him by his parents, but he never had time to develop his own Desires.
Its like Learning how to Meditate, its not something you can do on your own, and downright disastrous if you get the wrong impressions. Nigel was basically given a very Vague set of instructions and then left to figure it out for himself.
To Quote Dasboschitt, "It's like being plucked out of a Kiddie Pool, only to be Thrown into a Lake".
What's more, It wasn't just Nigel that was the Oddball... Nigel's parents maybe the case as well. His family before seemingly didn't disown their children... Up until Nigel's parents were a thing... Which is notably in a Time of great peace.
Nigel's Family before his Parents all had a Common theme: They were ready to engage in Combat at any time, implying a Wartime Period that required a Spartan-esq mindset, where failure meant the difference between life and death.
Nigel was raised in a Time of Peace with only beliefs of his Family's past Glories to ponder on. He had little clue of hefty such a responsibility is.
I feel that a Wakeup call for Nigel will likely Happen... Moreso with how Toby is flying the Deathflag.
~~~ Quote by NeksusCat: The devotion to protect must come from the heart, it must be HIS desire
I am aware of... most of that. And Luna probably treated Nigel believing he wouldn't face any sort of punishment from his parents. You may say they've "exeeded her expectations". Sadly, I can no longer find where exactly was it mentioned that Luna had a talk with Nigel's parents, but it was mentioned briefly, that they listened to her plea not to abandon their son, and did as they saw fit anyway.
My point stays the same - Luna is not fully at fault in that situation, everyone's to blame, a child or not, she gives free will to everyone and stands by her rule. She owes noone a "better life" and doesn't force anybody to live as she sees fit, she only guides and offers. Both Nigel and his parents didn't want her wisdom or help, they were set in their delusuions and Nigel was set in his hate, and blaming target.
"She could've", "she should've" - it already happened. All discussions of what could've been done "better" are mute, cuz she's the way she is, and everyone sees a problem that occured fron their own point of view. I say, there was nothing to be done, without forcing someone to go against their will. But without free will, there's no freedom, there is no Life, which is not her way.
I am aware of... most of that. And Luna probably treated Nigel believing he wouldn't face any sort o
He still refuses to hear her. She told him what he lacks from the get go, but Nigel, among so many of the readers, doesn't want to hear/believe her. He lack devotion and heart to put himself at risk for the sake of others. He only wanted to be Guardian, cuz that would make his parents happy and proud for him. Yet as soon as he failed ONE test, they turned their baks on him. Now eveyone blames Luna for that. She didn't OWE him Guardianship, she didn't owe him "happy life", she's a Goddess of Life, and Life owes nobody nothing "good".
He still refuses to hear her. She told him what he lacks from the get go, but Nigel, among so many o
Taking him in and nurturing his positive growth seems like a smarter move. Not like she's been against adopting kids. Instead she broke his life and made him live on the streets.
Taking him in and nurturing his positive growth seems like a smarter move. Not like she's been again
She didn't break his life, nor made him live on the streets - his parents did. And Nigel didn't want to listen, think, nor get any possible help from her. And she didn't owe Nigel any "happier" life than he already had.
She didn't break his life, nor made him live on the streets - his parents did. And Nigel didn't want
She is just as responsible as his parents. I'm not defending the parents in the slightest, but she allowed that toxic culture to fester. She didn't properly reprimand his parents nor did she take Nigel in to guide him to the right path. Instead she tossed him in the ocean and hoped he'd learn to swim.
She has shown no hesitancy in adopting kids. She could've taken him in and made him a wonderful guardian.
She is just as responsible as his parents. I'm not defending the parents in the slightest, but she a
If you remember, she takes only those who's willing to follow. Nigel was not even willing to listen. And I don't say she's not guilty or not responsible, but I say she's not the ONLY one to blame in this situation, as far too many commenters keen on believing.
If you remember, she takes only those who's willing to follow. Nigel was not even willing to listen.
