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There was an online community I was a member of from 2005 through 2021. A few months ago I got tired of their abusive behavior and left, and they keep begging me to return so they can abuse me further. Except they keep begging mostly in passive-aggressive ways, like pretending they don't know why I left, or talking about maybe sending me a message on one of the DOZEN platforms I'm known to use, but chickening out and never doing so. They call me a racist and even a Nazi, wishing I'd die with one breath but then crying because I'm not playing with them.

No. I've had enough.

And yes, since I'm still posting on InkBunny that does mean I view the pedophiles of InkBunny as less schweinhunds than the OHRRPGCE game developer community.

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alistair
2 years, 11 months ago
To express a common sentiment of today: Quit giving money/attention to people who hate you and want to see you dead.
Spoonweaver
2 years, 10 months ago
Hi Nathan.
I take it the pig is Tim-Tim the mighty Gnome?
I saved it in the fan art folder I have for him.
Thanks!

As far as the ohr and you, we've all been pretty clear that you're welcome there as long as you don't just start posting walls of text full of hate speech. It's a forum mainly for discussing game development.
Now if you would like to discuss your political beliefs or debate them or whatever, I'd have no problem with that. You can message me on discord, or on slimesalad, or email me (though my emails tend to get over looked). There are a number of different ways I can offer you to get in contact with me if you would like. As you can see, I've gone out of my way to come and address what seems to be a misunderstanding or possible injustice. I don't normally come on this website nor do I really want to. I'm reaching out because, even if I don't agree with your beliefs, you are still a person and you seem to be upset with things as they are. So, I'd like to help with that if possible.
You of course don't have to speak with me, nor anyone else.
It just seems like you were active in the community for a while and then stopped after what we refer to as Nathan.txt where you posted a laundry list of personal beliefs you have on a game making contest forum thread.
If you don't want to come back, that's of course fine. But if you feel like people are keeping you out, or being unfair, let me know and I'll do what I can do help resolve that.
UnstableSable
2 years, 10 months ago
" we've all been pretty clear that you're welcome there as long as you don't just start posting walls of text full of hate speech

" hate speech


Shows once again that you never paid any attention to anything I said and I have no reason to even consider returning.

" But if you feel...

" ...or being unfair...

Shows you have never seriously considered that my grievances might potentially be valid or even sincere.

Funny how the broad-based response of the OHR community to their perception that I suffer from a "persecution complex" was to start persecuting me even harder to...prove that I'm not persecuted or something?
Spoonweaver
2 years, 10 months ago
Oh you replied!
Hi Nathan!
I'll admit the term hate speech is a bit broad. Let's just call it, bringing up uncomfortable topics.

Regardless, I'm just offering an olive branch, you can take it however you like.
This is not the response of the "ohr community"  it's just me, and I'm just looking to see if we can talk things out.
If you would like to be left alone that if fine, just say the word and I'll stop replying.
If you would like to share some of the things you're specifically upset about, we can do that too.

We can move this to PM's if you're more comfortable with that.  Either way is fine.
UnstableSable
2 years, 9 months ago
" Spoonweaver wrote:
I'll admit the term hate speech is a bit broad.

The issue with the term isn't that it's "a bit broad", its' that it's specific and inaccurate, ascribing absent intentions to my speech in a manner to dismiss them out of hand rather than examining them.

" Spoonweaver wrote:
Let's just call it, bringing up uncomfortable topics.

"Hey everyone being gay and trans is super duper awesome and the only drawbacks are that some meanie-heads say mean things and I want to kill myself if I'm not placated to 24/7"
"...Can we just not?"
"You are a horrible bigot who wants the poor oppressed gay and trans people to commit suicide. You're basically murdering them by stating anything other than emphatic support and this cannot be tolerated in any way! Intolerance is evil and we cannot tolerate it! Also you're racist."

I'm not the one who "brings up" these "uncomfortable topics", I just have an even slightly different perspective on them than the singular allowed opinion. In your own words, "Slime Salad is pro gay in every way", so the only way to not discuss it would be for literally nobody to include gay romances, openly gay protagonists, etc. in any of their games forever. Which would be a stupid ask, but saying everyone needs to either praise it fawningly or shut up is even stupider.

" Spoonweaver wrote:
Regardless, I'm just offering an olive branch, you can take it however you like.

Do you realize how much of a slimy abusive ex you come across as here while trying to signal your "virtue" as a diplomat? Or when you desperately plea for my return on the forums so that I can continue to be harassed and abused by a community that never welcomed me in sixteen years of my presence? I offered you the olive branch within days of my initial (unjustified) ban from Slime Salad by literally showing you screenshots of the things I actually wrote after Mogri tacitly called me a Nazi and literally Hitler before he erased the post and banned me (funny how he was literally waiting around to ban me within minutes of that but would ignore the forum otherwise for months at a time. Priorities). You know, the "Nathan.txt" as it's called.

And your response?

" Spoonweaver wrote:
This is not the response of the "ohr community"  it's just me, and I'm just looking to see if we can talk things out.

And you couldn't just leave me to have fun and rant to myself while reviewing ancient games on a dead forum literally nobody else was using, or just join in the fun and do similarly irreverent revivals of old threads and serious responses to the decade-dead discussions? Nah, instead you and a couple of your soy infused allies start actively posting things based on my presumed prejudices in an attempt to incite me to rage. Using the dead forum not for fun, but out of spite because I had no interest in continuing to interact with the main active forum after years of abuse there.

And earlier, in Slime Salad itself, you said some disturbingly obtuse and unaware things. "How about you go to a place online where other conservatives hang out?" - when basically any space right of Bernie Sanders gets shut down quickly by goon squads. "Why don't you go to Church?" when the government literally forced shutdowns of in-person church attendance for a year and a half.

I hear leftist voices and arguments all the time. Not just the strawmen, the sincere versions. Why is it that hearing literally a single slightly right of center, porn addicted libertarian was enough to send you guys into a dead panic to the point of wishing death upon me? Well, your extremism did have a positive effect of waking me up a little and making me even more conservative, so I'll give you credit there.
UnstableSable
2 years, 9 months ago
" Spoonweaver wrote:
If you would like to share some of the things you're specifically upset about, we can do that too.

I could go back a little further and point out that it was you, Spoonweaver, who encouraged me back in the early 2010s to stop resisting my sexual nature and embrace porn games. I made the bad choice to take your advice so it was entirely my fault for going for it, but it was still your suggestion.

I could also point out how you got so incensed at me starting to post about my own games and preferences with even the slightest confidence or bravado. You know where I learned that? Literally I was copying your schtick as best as I could, figuring it seemed to be working well for you and maybe I could fake it until I make it. Turns out I'm just really not the self-aggrandizing type, and prefer to let the quality of my work speak for itself.

I could also point out how the spike in hostility against me came exactly when I needed help from the community - when I was cleaning up my act, treating game making like a full time job, had a complete clean, copyright infringement free, and polished game ready to publish on multiple platforms for which I'd have needed community aid, etc. Of course, the community was always passive-aggressive seething at me even when I was just sitting in my corner and quietly looking at bizarre furry porn without sharing it and without stating my firmly held convictions about marriage and heterosexuality.
Idontknow200
2 years, 10 months ago
Thanks for the fanart, wish you would have told me though lol
Spoonweaver
2 years, 8 months ago
" @ SirNathan
" Spoonweaver wrote:
If you would like to share some of the things you're specifically upset about, we can do that too.

I could go back a little further and point out that it was you, Spoonweaver, who encouraged me back in the early 2010s to stop resisting my sexual nature and embrace porn games. I made the bad choice to take your advice so it was entirely my fault for going for it, but it was still your suggestion.

I could also point out how you got so incensed at me starting to post about my own games and preferences with even the slightest confidence or bravado. You know where I learned that? Literally I was copying your schtick as best as I could, figuring it seemed to be working well for you and maybe I could fake it until I make it. Turns out I'm just really not the self-aggrandizing type, and prefer to let the quality of my work speak for itself.

I could also point out how the spike in hostility against me came exactly when I needed help from the community - when I was cleaning up my act, treating game making like a full time job, had a complete clean, copyright infringement free, and polished game ready to publish on multiple platforms for which I'd have needed community aid, etc. Of course, the community was always passive-aggressive seething at me even when I was just sitting in my corner and quietly looking at bizarre furry porn without sharing it and without stating my firmly held convictions about marriage and heterosexuality.


tl;dr:cool story bro
lol  no no,  jk

I've actually had several talks with people about the "ohrrpgce community"
I think a lot of people have this incorrect idea of things and high expectations for what amounts to a bunch of jerks that just so happen to use the same game making engine. I know I did my part to sort of build the "community" up into what some might have understood as something other than a pile of jerks, but that's what it is and was.

That said, it's a pile of jerks that you know, that know you. For better or worse, you're a part of things there.
As an example of this, they are holding a contest where people make game based on the "community" members. You seem to be a character in more than 1 of the games being made.
In case you're curious or whatever here's the link:
https://www.slimesalad.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8297

Was surprised you didn't opt out, even JSH came back to opt out so people wouldn't mess about with his likeness.
If you change your mind and want to opt out there might still be time.

BTW: have you play stoat? I'm curious about your take on that game.
here's a link to it:
https://www.slimesalad.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=140380&hilit=stoat#p140380
UnstableSable
2 years, 7 months ago
1. I don't read the forums anymore for a long list of good reasons. It'd be strange to assume I'd continue keeping track of what goes on in my absence, aside from occasionally laughing at your continued desperation to get me to come back.

2. I wouldn't have opted out if I'd cared enough about this contest. Fenrir and Charbile both told me about it and I was amused by the idea that again the OHR community was continuing to desperately plea for my attention.

3. I remember Charbile mentioning that "stoat" game's existence in passing a couple times, but not by name. Nobody sent me a link until you did here. I'd have played it if it'd been shared with me right away, but I wound up deciding not to bother with it once I found out.

" Hate speech is when you speak about a large group of individuals that have nothing in common aside from things outside their control like where they were born, and their race.

Wrong. It's a made-up term that means "I disagree with what you're saying but don't have an actual retort to the substance of what you're saying, so I will instead attack your character by ascribing a motivation I don't like".

" Like it or not this extends to religion too because religion is so ingrained in culture.

Religion is still voluntary and not an immutable trait, so unlike race it's not "a thing outside their control".

" What Mogri and other people on Slimesalad had an issue with in your post were what you were saying about Muslims. They were broad statements all Muslims that were in fact just details about a small group of people that are of the Muslim faith.

Attacking a false religion founded on caravan robbery, plagiarism, and child rape isn't an attack on the people who follow that religion. Pointing out how unwavering, unconditional support of a false religion that demands the violent deaths of homosexuals is incompatible with unwavering, unconditional support of homosexuals is neither an attack on all people following the religion nor on homosexuals, but on the willful ignorance and hypocrisy of people who try to keep both as sacred cows simultaneously.

The fact that saying this got me disowned by James and has triggered you to enact a campaign of following me around to harangue me for over a year is pathetic, but kinda funny too.

It was also an extremely minor aside in the allegedly offending post. Literally I pointed back to another discussion on the forums from a decade prior, said "I was right all along except on this one thing" and the one thing I was wrong on all those years ago was to be too nice to Islam and too willing to say that terrorism is a minor side effect of it rather than a major tenet of it. I've learned more history since 2011.

" seemed to be for no other reason but to spread hate for a specific group of people

The fact that you are unable to separate repudiation of untruth or wrongful acts from hatred of any persons to whom the repudiation may be applicable speaks volumes. And "seemingly motivated by hate" doesn't mean "actually is motivated by hate", the entire hate speech term is a non-starter as I've already said.

" I believe you are incorrect in your suggestion that somehow Slimesalad is openly gay all over the place.

Gay Savage and the Enigma Rip. Surlaw's retroactive "Salom Lancoven was always gay even 20 years ago, I just didn't say so in my old games because it was irrelevant". Lovely Home. You can make characters gay for brownie points, but don't anyone dare not be into it. Discussion in one direction only.

" As an example, I often get told to stop when I start talking about how dumb everyone that supports Trump is.

If your hatred of a moderately effective center-left political figure is so extreme even the other OHR leftsits tell you to shut up, I think you're the problem dude.

" First, I won't apologize at all for reaching out to someone.

You never "reached out" without clear and obvious ill intent.
Spoonweaver
2 years, 8 months ago
" Spoonweaver
" Spoonweaver wrote:
I'll admit the term hate speech is a bit broad.

The issue with the term isn't

.....

did have a positive effect of waking me up a little and making me even more conservative, so I'll give you credit there.


Ah I see I missed all this on my initial reply, sorry.
Ok, so rather than line by lining you here, since that was too long for the comment,  I'm just reply in order of things said, I assume you'll get what I'm saying.

Ok so hate speech, I'll address that sure.
Hate speech is when you speak about a large group of individuals that have nothing in common aside from things outside their control like where they were born, and their race. Like it or not this extends to religion too because religion is so ingrained in culture. What Mogri and other people on Slimesalad had an issue with in your post were what you were saying about Muslims. They were broad statements all Muslims that were in fact just details about a small group of people that are of the Muslim faith. They were statements that were off topic and seemingly out of no where that seemed to be for no other reason but to spread hate for a specific group of people, most of whom have very little choice in where they were born or how they were raised. If you would like to talk about those groups, I think specifics help. Say the exact event that concerns you and try to offer a solution to issues around that event.

As far as being gay or trans on Slimesalad, I believe you are incorrect in your suggestion that somehow Slimesalad is openly gay all over the place. Yes there are some members that are gay and some that are trans, but they don't really talk about it much if at all on the forums and only mildly on the discord chat. If you were directly replying to someone that was making broad pro-gay or pro-trans statements I think people would be more understanding, but you're replying to no one really and just making broad statements. We all get that you believe these statements and hold those morals in high regard, but there's a time and a place for those things.

As an example, I often get told to stop when I start talking about how dumb everyone that supports Trump is. How they are all blind, uneducated people that try to pick the "team" that makes them feel like big tough adults.
If the problem was just that everyone was of a single mindset and didn't want people saying things that weren't liberal, then we would all be joining in and chanting Trump hate,  but instead talking politics in general is looked down on.


As far as the olive branch and just leaving you to have fun. First, I won't apologize at all for reaching out to someone. As far as you posting on castleparadox and "joining in and doing my own thing, may I remind you that I made a thread on castle paradox at that time, that had nothing to do with you, that you replied to several times. In those replies you included anti-trans ideas out of no where. Which is what you are accusing other people of doing. You say, everyone is sharing their opinion but you can't share yours without getting attacked. But no one shared their opinion and you just started doing it yourself, out of no where.You say you're not heard but we all read what you had to say. If you're mad that we dislike it, than you don't really get what it means to share an opinion. People don't have to like your opinion and not everything that is possible to be said, is really ok to say where ever you want. The idea of yelling fire in a crowd theatre comes to mind.

To wrap this all up, you seem angry and upset. I'd like to help with that if I can. I'm sorry you feel silenced, I'm sure everyone with strong feelings will feel that way. I'm glad you found a way to share your feelings that seems to be working with your comics. I hear you, I get what you're saying, and I disagree with a lot of it. If you ever want to talk just let me know.
Reizinho
2 years, 7 months ago
Wow, OHRRPGCE. I tried using it only once and never participated in the community, but thanks for the headsup.
Spoonweaver
2 years, 6 months ago
Hello Again Nathan!
Sorry it takes me so long to reply...
I don't check this website very often at all, cause of all the, ...you know...


Anyways!
" continued desperation to get me to come back.

I wouldn't go that far. We're making attempts to reach out every so often to someone we spoke to for years. If you think that's odd I have nothing but pity for that.

" this contest. Fenrir and Charbile both told me about it

You weren't really featured at all. I think RMZ put a character of yours in as an encounter?

" deciding not to bother with it once I found out

That's too bad. I think Fenrir mostly made it to say some stuff he felt after you sort of ranted or something about him? I'm not sure clear on the details.

" made-up term

I mean all terms are "made-up" and it's only our mutual understanding of their definitions that give them meaning. If you understand it was something different then that explains the difficulty in communication.

" it's not "a thing outside their control".

Being accepting of others isn't just being accepting of what they are born as but also their choices. Unless someone's choice directly affects you or someone else, I don't see a reason to really worry about it or make a big fuss. Furthermore, to make assumptions about someone based on unrelated choices and opinions is exactly what some people would do about people on inkbunny, and I'm sure you'd disagree with those assumptions. You can't have it both ways though. Either you shouldn't judge a whole religious group based on the actions of a select few, or being on inkbunny means you are the same way as the worst people on inkbunny.

" Attacking a false religion...

yikes my dude,  there you go again. I get that your religion dislikes that other religion but resorting to name calling is pretty petty right? People say things about the catholic church all the time too right? Priests touching little boys. Catholics kidnapping native Canadians. I mean I don't think YOU are a kidnapper  or pedophile just because of your religion, so I think offering the same thing across the aisle to other religions seems fair.

" disowned by James

James is one of the most kind hearted and honest people I have known. His comment should tell you more about your comments than you're willing to accept. There's no conspiracy here. There's kind hearted people offering olive branches to people who are clearly rooted in hate.
Spoonweaver
2 years, 6 months ago

" following me around to harangue me for over a year

Bit of a stretch. You sort of opened the discussion by cartooning me I felt. And I was shown the cartoon by other people that use this website that I'm friends with. I promise to make this my last reply as you seem to dislike the attention.
I'm sure you know where to find me if you change your mind.

" the entire hate speech term is a non-starter

That's a bit like arguing against reality though right? I know what the term means, you know what the term means. You dislike the term, but that's not exactly the point right?
Regardless of that. I think honest and thoughtful discussions like that one have their place (however much I disagree with your opinion). But that place isn't an indie game making forum. People generally understand and agree to topics being off limits. For example, I am VERY against your religion. I could go on and on for pages and pages. But I know there are people besides yourself that are of that religion and I don't want to intentionally start a fight with them or alienate anyone. You paint a picture of groups "being ok with this and not that" and put a lot of words in mouths. But the reality is there are off limits topics on all sides and a true debate of those topics leave people alienated, which is something to be avoided. Much like you are feeling alienated now, I wouldn't wish that on other people. I would hope you'd agree to that line of thinking.

" Gay Savage

You should play the game. It's just the character's name and meant to be edgey. It's homophobic is anything.
" Surlaw's retroactive "Salom Lancoven"

I don't think you got the reference or joke there.
" Lovely Home

Your pretty far off the mark here as the character is not gay for the sake of being gay, but rather the game is a personal reflection the developer made. They originally didn't want to release it because of possible backlash. I convinced them otherwise, explaining that I would have their back if anything said something. I'll say this, Splendidland is an amazing game developer and you'd do well to learn from their example if you have any plans to continue the craft.  Her game Fraken has been getting a TON of exposure. You shoudl give it a play. Or just watch the let's play of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2TdptvwVKQ&t=4s&am...

" so extreme even the other OHR leftsits

The thing you over looked here is that not everyone in the OHR is a "leftist" and explaining how the orange guy was a piece of trash that tried to cheat int he election and when that didn't work tried to have a bunch of man children raid the capitol building in a bid to overturn official American regulations is upsetting to the morons that voted for him.

" without clear and obvious ill intent.

I'm sorry it feels that way. It's likely because you're debating me all the time. Cause you enjoy that. If you'd like to stop debating, well, like I said before this is my last reply here.

Anyways, I came here because we have a podcast and some people believe you have a right to be heard as a member of the community. If you would like to be on the podcast let me know. Otherwise, this was your invitation. The olive branch has been extended. The choice is yours. I get that a podcast can be scary and down right upsetting to some people.
UnstableSable
2 years, 4 months ago
" Spoonweaver wrote:
orange guy was a piece of trash that tried to cheat int he election

So pointing out that others are cheating an election against you counts as "cheating in an election" in your eyes? Considering how delusional the rest of your rants have been, it's not a surprise.

" Spoonweaver wrote:
and when that didn't work tried to have a bunch of man children raid the capitol building in a bid to overturn

I know this will be hard for you to swallow, but when a conservative says "Go and peaceably assemble and make your voices heard" that isn't a dogwhistle or coded speech to say "go violently overthrow something and start a riot" the way that the "mostly peaceful protests" out of ANTIFA and BLM for the entirety of 2020 were.

Who am I kidding? You've shown yourself completely impenetrable to truth so far, and nothing you've said here has remotely resembled an apology. In fact, you've hardly done anything but double down on insulting and attacking me for this whole interaction, mixing in a little bit of concern-trolling by pretending to care about my well-being.
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