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Toastlog 011: "This is just wrong"

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Toastlog 012 Q&A: Mukos Influences

The Toastlogs are a side-product of my comic "Furry Fight Chronicles". I dont always talk about the comic in the logs, but also about general themes concerning art, stories, and creativity.
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Published: 6 years, 2 months ago
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SuihtilCod
6 years, 2 months ago
This… this, right here…  This is something that I've been saying for years.  But, you?  You put it far better than I ever could have.

Thank you.
Kagemusha
6 years, 2 months ago
that´s nice of you to say!
talon2point0
6 years, 2 months ago
The toaster goes deep today...

Idk if I can give you a good answer to be honest, but I want to try.

My best friend loves this comic called "johnny the homicidal maniac" and it's by the creator of Invader Zim.

That said, it's pretty sick shit. It's heavy on the dark stuff and goes through violence, life, death, and a whole slue of twisted stuff I'd rather not want my mind to think about.
My friend and I have pretty similar tastes, so I was baffled why he was into this sorta thing I couldn't stomach.
He told me that it's not ment for me, that it's ment for a certain kind of person. Those words struck me, I hadn't considered there was a difference from something being bad and something just not ment for certain people. He explained that Jonny helped him mentally, that it's darkness took him down weird paths that served as a cathartics for his troubled thoughts.

I still look at it as deprived, but I don't think it's wrong for certain people. At the same time I wouldn't be on Inkbunny if I didn't have tastes some would call wrong. The only way to know is it to try and understand.
Kagemusha
6 years, 2 months ago
thanks for the interesting reply!
it´s understandable people can get baffled when they learn what kind of stories or art their friends can enjoy. there´s an impulse to think that if someone reads a lot about tales of murderers that person has the wish to kill someone. or that if someone reads rape-comics that the reader wishes to turn into a rapist.
thinking over it more calmly it can soon become clear that this is a fallacy.
if someone gets really troubled or needs to know how the person he or she thought to know well really ticks there´s nothing wrong to ask and talk about it. similar to your experience oftentimes other people see something completely different in the story you dislike, and in the end things aren´t as bad as feared.
XanderGreene
6 years, 2 months ago
I just don't understand how a ton of people out there take this concept you've explained so well and go even further and assume that if someone isn't instantly mortified or repunged by some of the themes in a fictional work that the person viewing it must be supportive of those themes in real life.
Chirmaya
6 years, 2 months ago
I think it depends on how contentious of an issue it is in our culture and how much it feels like an author is trying to push a specific view. For example, if you have a story with a character that hates people that have abortions, then that is just the character. But when, throughout the whole story, most of the people in the story are against abortion, and if the abortion side's arguments are lacking, incorrect, poor generalizations, etc., then you start to pick up that the author is very biased in one way and that they are trying to promote a specific view without presenting an argument in good faith.
Kagemusha
6 years, 2 months ago
sure, we can disagree with opinions authors clearly put into their stories. i just think opinion can´t be grasped only by hearing a stories premise. you gotta see how things turn out to get a feeling for how the author stands to certain things.

strangetales
6 years, 2 months ago
Yup, this has been my outlook for many years :)
MrGillbert
6 years, 2 months ago
Interesting. I've never heard of this anime. I'll check it out.
Elazul
6 years, 2 months ago
I heartily agree with your philosophy on this subject.

In relations to your questions at the end. I don't think stories always can be, or are meant to be 'enjoyed'. Because of the subject matter, I cannot enjoy the movie Grave of the Fireflies, but that doesn't mean I think its a bad movie or that I think it shouldn't exist, quite the opposite.

Cheers. :)
Kagemusha
6 years, 2 months ago
that´s right, many stories aren´t fun, or are meant to get the audience depressed. though i can´t watch this stuff very often, sometimes it can help to see my own life in a different light, or still learn something. it´s an antique thought that the suffering and death of fictional characters has a catharsic effect on the audience, almost as if you learn from someone else´s mistake or tragedy.
i wouldn´t want to miss my dramatic or depressing stories here and there. most of the films i really love most often are dramas or have a tragic component. i´d get suspicious of people who only watch or read stories with no conflicts whatsoever.
Belizer
6 years, 2 months ago
The only James Bond film I don't enjoy is the 1967 Casino Royale.
Wolfian18
6 years, 2 months ago
Definitely depends on how things are handled and personal tastes, even to the point of not giving something a chance because of the premise, that's also personal taste in a way. There are some things I don't want in my head-space no matter how they're handled, but most of them I've given one chance before deciding that. Unwanted memories will fade and lose impact over time while things I enjoy will be refreshed and strengthened! Thanks for the thought provoking post!
TheViktor
6 years ago
I like to think that it rather goes multiple ways so to speak. There are some story tellers who simply wants to tell a story and either entertain or provoke us in many ways like how Stanley Kubrick made his movies to be as gloom and deep with depressive themes and feel into them or Michel Gondry who really knows how to make us feel good with his flawed yet good hearted characters manages to keep up their struggle for a happy ending with his unique manipulation of "mise en scène" and dreamlike scenarios like "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind" that really looked like looking into a dream based on a man's memories and not to mention Guillermo del Toro who to my impression seems to make his movies based on his own nightmares mixed with dark fantasy themes like in "Mimic" which is at its core a monster flick with dungeon crawl RPG themes into it or "Pacific Rim" that is a live action mech anime fighting Kaiju monster which is awesome. The keyword is that these movies are stories, made by visual storytellers.
But then there are those who really enforces their own personal views, ideals and political opinions into their stories. Take Jay Naylor for example, I have written a very long journal about him where I dubbed him as the "Frank Miller of furry porn comics" in which he pretty much preaches the readers about his views on things in life as a Objectivist where his female characters should be submitted to his idealistically stronger male characters while the in his mind the "weak males" should only be subjected as cuckolds to the stronger female characters. It is a mess really if you dissect his stories but he doesn't really go beyond that but the point is that he has never really explored other themes and storytelling than his own ways and refuses to listen to reason and constructive criticism and from what I have heard from people who met him in person, you'd think that he was related to Klaus Kinski at how rude he tends to be. Hell, I even did a rewrite of one of Naylor's comics just for laughs to see if I could any better and OH BOY did I get a lot of responds to it and eventually a flame war against each other started. It was hilarious. Sad but hilarious.
But then I also realize that it is up to the reader's impressions as well, for better or worse to be honest. Like in one of the issues of Superman, Supes saves a group of illegal immigrants from a far-right extremist who wanted to kill them with a UZI because he accused them to steal jobs from him and "good people of America". Sounds like a nobel thing to do, right? Protecting innocent lives and such? But because of that, far-right politics has accused Supes of being socialist or a social justice warrior.
It is just a sad state of humans in general when they want to point out every single wrong thing into everything no matter how good of a intention you want to tell the story. I'm sure that you have experienced the same way when you did BLTN, when certain individuals started to troll you and the comic because in their mind, you only postponed what they wanted to see thus cockblocking them.
So can you satisfy everyone? Hell no, it is impossible. I like The Last Jedi, even though I feel like the minority of doing so because I just felt that it was a entertaining yet flawed epic story with unexpected turns in the story. Hell my ex thinks that the Godfather movies are boring as hell and that has gotten a lot of bad reactions, just because she just felt that the movies were overly hyped while I'm like that I feel that the movies are pretty good but just that.

Well, with that said, maybe I can post a question for your next log comic?

"What other personal ideas for comics did you work on before you got to FFC?" or "Do you plan for your next comic after FFC?"
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