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RoareyRaccoon

Bit of a change.

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So I've had a long hard think lately about how all this online arguing is affecting me, lol. Every time I put up an opinion cartoon or journal I typically allow for the fact that the response to it will be so venomous that I'll be ill for a week or so (anxiety disorder, yay!). Well now I'm sick of it, I'm sick of the patronizing, tone policing and verbal garbage I get every time I say anything. Well I won't be stopping speaking my mind, that's far too important to me, but I will be stopping engaging with responses. Any abusive comments will result in a block, any bullshit will be ignored.

People talk about "consequences" a lot, as though being angry at a general idea or general behaviour warrants personal attacks against me rather than basic discussion. I don't buy that for a second. I don't ever go to people to be a dick to them for what they've never said to me, a general point deserves a general response. You disgusting fuckers are bad for my health, you don't deserve my response, my time or respect.

For all you assholes who have decided I'm your verbal punching bag ever since I changed my views, you can fuck yourselves, I'm never taking an ounce of shit from you ever again. For those of you who have engaged me with respect and actually give a damn, I thank you sincerely for your decency. Much love to you guys.
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EvanSKVRL
EvanSKVRL
6 years, 10 months ago
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You can always disable comments entirely on those submissions so you won't have to deal with that at all.
RoareyRaccoon
RoareyRaccoon
6 years, 10 months ago
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Yeah, I don't want to prevent everybody from responding though, then there's no feedback or discussion whatsoever. Its a bit too "putting the whole class in detention because one kid won't own up to being bad", for my taste XP.
EvanSKVRL
EvanSKVRL
6 years, 10 months ago
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Fair enough. Just try not to get too stressed out over idiots.
RoareyRaccoon
RoareyRaccoon
6 years, 10 months ago
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Haha aye, I'm just going to block them.
soggymaster
soggymaster
6 years, 10 months ago
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Sounds like a [mediumthumb]1121191[/mediumthumb] moment to me.
RoareyRaccoon
RoareyRaccoon
6 years, 10 months ago
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Pretty much!
soggymaster
soggymaster
6 years, 10 months ago
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Honestly though, that is one of my most favorite pieces of art ever done.  So appropriate to a number of situations!
RoareyRaccoon
RoareyRaccoon
6 years, 10 months ago
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Haha, glad ya like it dude XP.
KenEldrick
KenEldrick
6 years, 10 months ago
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Good for you, don't let the haters get to you. I just ignore drama causing furs.
TheChoate
TheChoate
6 years, 10 months ago
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It's just a shame that people go from "wow you're so great!" To "Oh I'm going to punch you, you cis dick!" Just because you say something like "You know, that's kind of hypercritical guys."
Basically it's just this.
Lumi
Lumi
6 years, 10 months ago
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You just provoke people and go on rambles where you aim to insult people who are against your views, talk loud and big and then play victim when people don't eat up your shit. I followed only for the art and I find it absolutely fucking ridiculous you're using cub porn site as platform on your inane ramblings. I'll gladly fuck myself, you can also fuck right off buddy.
Stratus
Stratus
6 years, 10 months ago
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Yet no one provides a counter argument, just hollow insults and inappropriately timed lol's.
Ironically many of them echoing the exact alleged stereotypes hes attacking.
Kinda like you did here by trying to write him off as "insane ramblings" when the last issue he brought up is absolutely happening.
CuriousFerret
CuriousFerret
6 years, 10 months ago
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Everyone has a right to rant now and again.  And the fequency of Roarey's soapbox pics and journals are rather spaced out.

I would urge you to reconsider you own irritations with him.  Try to look past the sharp statement and see what prompted it.  Sometimes it justified and a good point is buried in there.  Sometimes not and a counter argument on the topic can be made.

Dont just walk off because he's taken on some conservitive bielifs.
Wolfblade
Wolfblade
6 years, 10 months ago
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He denounces a set of behavioral patterns he sees - validly so - as being damaging and harmful and making shit worse for people under the guise/excuses/justifications of people thinking they're fighting to make things better. They're not.

He's not insulting people. People who ARE the kinds of stupid and wrong and misguided that he denounces get insulted and take it personally.

Then THOSE people are not simply not "eating up his shit." The ugly responses he gets ARE people going directly to being insulting to him as an individual. They're not arguing his points, they're not defending the behaviors he trashes, they're just attacking him because he does not support what they've been brainwashed into thinking "good" people are supposed to do.

There's no reason or argument, he voices a general objection to general bullshit, and people who are part of the fucked up mindsets that lead to that bullshit ACT like he's insulted them personally, and ACTUALLY insult HIM personally. There's no discussion or explanation or attempt to explain their viewpoint, it's just damning him for not sharing theirs.

The side of shit he rails against is ALWAYS doing this crap. Behaving disgustingly, declaring themselves virtuous, then declaring anyone who has the slightest criticism of them as being supporters of whomever and whatever they've declared their enemies. Someone says they're against nazis, they scream like anyone who has a problem with them must be FOR nazis. Maybe people hate nazis AND the dumb fuck idiot child generation that's currently doing the exact same horrible bullshit that brought the fucking nazis to power in the first place, and people are screaming at the "shut up or we'll punch you" people because that's how you make the fucking nazis stronger, and we don't want that.

Roarey does not express hate or ill will towards people who are not behaving damagingly towards others. He doesn't shit talk people because of race, sex, gender, nationality, any of that shit. He shit talks people who are choosing to be shit in how they act towards others.

So it's telling about the kind of person someone is when they see that and attack him in response.
Icestorm
Icestorm
6 years, 10 months ago
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This is what i don't get about him. He post things like the last two shit storms.. knowing people will come at him with a different view point. He gets just as heated at them. Because he doesn't believe anything should silence him and then he belittles and silences them?

how is this logical. This makes it look like you need a giant Hug box of people who agree with you. Just like the SJW on colleges.

I have no doubt you will just call me stupid and block me , but come on man. You are better than this.
RoareyRaccoon
RoareyRaccoon
6 years, 10 months ago
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If you don't get it then you haven't thought about it. Its perfectly simple. I will talk to and discuss things with anyone unless they begin by attacking me as a person instead of making an argument against what I've said. Lumi brought up nothing about my argument and just criticised me as a person. That isn't discussion, it's being a cunt. If you be a cunt, you get blocked, because nobody has to put up with it. Its funny you making the same point to people who act like assholes to me as if you want to garner their support before you put the point to me, because you're the one wanting a hugbox, free reign for people to be as shitty as they like with zero consequences. If you stopped and thought for a few minutes you might realize something, you might be able to consider a position that isn't your own and wouldn't that be a miracle.
asthexiancal
asthexiancal
6 years, 10 months ago
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Ha ha ha, brilliant move.

Since you allow yourself to put so much opinions online, lemme tell you mine, for once. Yes, for once, since I personnally never interfere in that kind of things, but that's just too BIG for me to pass this one.
You see, you do not give your opinion, you criticize. You criticize, again, and again, always having something (bad) to say because somebody did not go the way that pleases you, and often insult and patronize those persons (those "assholes" who dare not going your way). And I suspect, you do nothing else than criticizing, never actually doing anything for situations to change. And you constantly change your own decisions. At least these are the only things I can extract from your numerous journals (and some pics, many lately) I see coming on my journal submission list. Just looking at the first lines and I say "oh, ok, that's this guy again", without having to look at the icon (and certainly not reading the whole text full of sneaky serpents and venimous toads). You are two or three good artists I am watching of this kind, always the same ones, always having to criticize something, regularly, very often.

If you still read me after those few lines, let me tell you one of the rare good truths on this Earth: you often get what you deserve. You are a troll magnet, a constant arguings generator, all by your own doings. So when you say you've got enough, that it destroys your health, but you will continue doing that, I am split between a monstruous need to laugh, and a bottomless sorrow and pity for you. That's just all I've got to say personnally. Do whatever you want with it.
RoareyRaccoon
RoareyRaccoon
6 years, 10 months ago
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Right, so I'm supposed to be working to make changes and not just criticizing things. I've never made an argument before with any sense behind it, I just pointlessly rail at the sky. Never mind the people who have been telling me for years how much entertainment and thought they've gotten from my work, only critics of my tone are correct. If I don't want to take personal attacks from people who took my general opinions directed at no individuals as a personal attack and invitation to fuck with me, I'm a coward who silences dissent. I've never done a thing like have a discussion with people, haha. I don't have to take shit from people who do nothing but attack me and never state their own views so I can't argue with them. I don't have to take shit from anonymous cowards who hide behind a screen name with no real face. I don't have to take advice on how to communicate from people who never do it to the point of having an audience. Its a brilliant move for my personal sanity because people who go out of their way to be cunts to others because they have a different point of view don't deserve to be engaged with. Your batshit argument only applies if you misrepresent everything about me, in other words set up a straw man.

Speaking my mind when I'm angry does not invite people to spew baseless bile at me instead of making a counter argument. It invites people to argue with me. Just because a lot of people are bastards doesn't obligate me to put up with it. I don't see an opinion that irritates me and then go and harass the person who made it, so I'm not going to tolerate it from others. Treat people as you wish to be treated, ever heard of that? Laugh it up.
Stratus
Stratus
6 years, 10 months ago
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Just don't delete their comments, their opinions may be... different... but they still deserve to be out there, and everyone else deserves to see what they say. If it really is something stupid let people see it for themselves. But yeah the block feature is there for a reason, absolutely use it if you feel you should, just remember the best counter attack to a bad idea, is letting the world see how bad it is.
RoareyRaccoon
RoareyRaccoon
6 years, 10 months ago
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I won't delete comments, I want people to see them. I'll just block the person.
Stratus
Stratus
6 years, 10 months ago
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good on ya!
BrokenPupper
BrokenPupper
6 years, 10 months ago
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Coming from someone who's deleted comments of those that don't 100% agree with them. But sure only showcase them to show how "dumb" people are because that's all that matters, eh?
Stratus
Stratus
6 years, 10 months ago
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Edited 6 years, 10 months ago by Owner
You didn't submit any ideas, you just flung general baseless insults. Really should learn the difference before challenging other peoples maturity and merits.

Which is made even further ironic because in said journal i said i wouldn't deal with said people, and then you swoop in, and do EXACTLY what was described.
BrokenPupper
BrokenPupper
6 years, 10 months ago
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Oh did I now? Well I'm sure that can be proven if I can just find my baseless co- oh that's right not only that you erase it but you PM a big fuck you before blocking me, all over a journal where I was the only one to comment. Yet you go out of your way to tell someone else how to hold a debate. Seriously kid? As if you know a damn thing about challenging other people's maturity and merits.

"This is honestly why iv just resorted to trolling, it seems to be all they are good at, so i still will do it better."

Ladies and gentlemen, the expert of public discourse!
Stratus
Stratus
6 years, 10 months ago
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Hey Vappy I know you think you're hot shit but resorting to calling me kid just shows the pompous ass hole you are. Yeah I cleared your worthless comment. If I wanted to get in a dick waving contest like that id do it on my shit hole of a twitter account. And yeah, you are essentially just a troll. Attack people directly, add nothing constructive to any conversation. Just sit back and make snarky comments at people and then pretend you're some kind of intellectual bad ass. Being called kid by you makes me want to shower. Its gross.
BrokenPupper
BrokenPupper
6 years, 10 months ago
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"just shows the pompous ass hole you are. Yeah I cleared your worthless comment."

Kid you're falling apart in one sentence alone, can you at the least own up to what you actually do?

"And yeah, you are essentially just a troll. Attack people directly, add nothing constructive to any conversation. Just sit back and make snarky comments at people and then pretend you're some kind of intellectual bad ass."

*cough*

"This is honestly why iv just resorted to trolling"

Talking (or typing) to a mirror I see. Still, admitting to such a cowardly move shows that you have no say in how someone else should debate (which is even more pompous when you don't even take into consideration that Roars have done conversations for a long time now), not that you ever did. If this was in your journal I bet you a grand that you'll erase my statements in a heartbeat.
Stratus
Stratus
6 years, 10 months ago
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So I troll people on twitter. I have the balls to admit I'm being an ass hole, you on the other hand are stuck in a dillusion that you're better then me, then everyone you don't like. But you are a god damn coward yourself. Anything you say being a deflection, a uninformitive insult, or just snarky bullshittery. Aka a troll. You don't stand for anything, or are at least too much of a pussy to be foward about it. Not to mention you have absolutly no room to judge anyone else for trolling given your tendency to go to other people's journals looking for a fight. Lastly you left out the rest of my quote. "I honestly just resort to trolling. It's all they seem to be good at and I'll still be better at it then them"

I tried tollorance. I tried letting things go. I started off this path saying I didn't care to hear from people that only had attacks and insults to add to a discussion and some little shithead baby fur had to come along and act like the exact self absorbed egotistical fuck boy I was talking about. So Vappy which is it. Are you just a better troll then myself or just such a shitty person that you drag others down with you?

Regardless of your answer I'll see it tommorow. I got work and won't be starting my day with whatever "that's where your wrong kiddo" style shit you lay out next.
Stratus
Stratus
6 years, 10 months ago
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Actually vappy scratch that. Say whatever your gonna say. I'm done with this argument. In a petty ass hole contest between us, I can't win either way. This isn't going anywhere and the braincells I'm losing would be better spent drinking.
BrokenPupper
BrokenPupper
6 years, 10 months ago
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You don't know shit about either of us, you never presented isn't discussion, you demand respect after spitting on the face of people that were upset about the election, and now you wanna pout because your getting scolded instead on munching on popcorn to enjoy drama made by someone you only like for said drama. Your judgements mean shit, boy. Take your fill to Reddit!
Stratus
Stratus
6 years, 10 months ago
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1) made it clear I was upset about election choices in general
2) you know as much about me as I do you
3) I follow roary for art and any drama on his post is from people like you

Have a nice fucking day Vappy.
RoareyRaccoon
RoareyRaccoon
6 years, 10 months ago
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Get out of here you waste of space. Coming to my journal to fuck with someone else, its pathetic.
MaximilianUltimata
MaximilianUltimata
6 years, 10 months ago
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Edited 6 years, 10 months ago by Owner
I try to take the high road and avoid character attacks in my responses to people. I had one person come to me after throwing his pseudo-nihilistic weight around a few weeks ago and was surprised at how level-headed and civil my response was to him, that I didn't devolve into vulgarity, racial slurs and personal insults.

I am a researcher at heart, which is why when I REALLY get my dander up, half of my response or journal will be blue and break the puny 4000 character limit. I'm also a fighter filled with endless anger, but I don't lash out recklessly, perhaps because I have real physical scars from a time when I did do that.

Now if only more people could be as civil.
KimaSaiyan
KimaSaiyan
6 years, 10 months ago
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I have to say, I enjoy a good debate too, as long as both sides act mature and show they're well informed, I don't have anything against others having another opinion, and I love to know why and compare.

But yeah, it can get frustrating when your's is basically attacked just because it differs,
RoareyRaccoon
RoareyRaccoon
6 years, 10 months ago
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Debates are indeed a lot of fun. I'm simply burned out from everything I say becoming a debate, everything resulting in twisted backlash from people who consume my art, never commission me and only interact with me to tell me I'm a sack of shit who deserves every nasty thing I get.
furryfoot84
furryfoot84
6 years, 10 months ago
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*Claps and cheers*
kiwakiwa
kiwakiwa
6 years, 10 months ago
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i personally am glad that you decided to keep on doing said rants and journals, to me , they have always been a delight to read, many having insights to given issue from a new perspective and a different range of experiences than i have, and , even in the rare case i disagree with something you have said, i have found them highly entertaining and educational points of view :)
So, to reiterate, i'm glad that your ramblings and arguments have been there to brighten my days and given me things to think about, and i'm glad those will also be there in the future, cheers :)
RoareyRaccoon
RoareyRaccoon
6 years, 10 months ago
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It means a lot when someone gets anything positive from the shit I do on the internet, so thank you XP.
AlexanderPony
AlexanderPony
6 years, 10 months ago
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Well like said on FA i agree with you Roarey love ya !!!
Gobby
Gobby
6 years, 10 months ago
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Life is too short to take shit from people~
KennyKitsune
KennyKitsune
6 years, 10 months ago
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I dun wanna be a meanie like these other jerks.
DerpBowlWelf
DerpBowlWelf
6 years, 10 months ago
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Though oftentimes I don't agree 100% with everything you say, you seem to know what you're talking about and I respect that. Debates are always fun long as they're kept mature, free from insults. You do, however, have a rather agressive way to express your arguments and say things that might be seen as insults. I believe that's the main source of the backlash you get, can't say I'm completely though, since I find myself talking like that during my rants.

I'll wrap this up by saying I do like reading your rants and you're doing the right thing by ignoring those who preffer a personal attack over enlightening you with counter-arguments. As already said on the comment section, life is too short to be annoyed at those people.
RoareyRaccoon
RoareyRaccoon
6 years, 10 months ago
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I'll never deny I'm aggressive in how I put things across, its true. I think the crucial difference is that my anger and stern attitude is directed at a behaviour or idea rather than a specific person. When people get pissed at my opinion they attack me personally, something I hadn't done to them. So they justify being a piece of shit to a person because they were upset by a general statement and they are never accountable for it. I'm supposed to be accountable for my opinion but they aren't for their abusive behaviour, haha. The only consequences they get are how I respond to them, but they don't have a few dozen people shouting at them.
Stratus
Stratus
6 years, 10 months ago
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I just took the bait from someone and I'm sorry for spamming your comments with nonsense
RevampSkunk
RevampSkunk
6 years, 10 months ago
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Handle your business. It's all good
Namey
Namey
6 years, 10 months ago
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At least now you'll see more people who hold conservative views not as afraid to agree. With that being said, ideas should always be debated, even if simply for the sake of debate and exposure to differing viewpoints. Echo-chambers are dangerous, and the internet has made it easier to develop them (Tumblr, Twitter, *chans, YT, any place where wrong-think can be "moderated" on a whim).

Everyone should learn how to have proper discussions without resorting to personal attacks; debate lessons should be held in school (not exclusive to a club/team), and participants criticized when they throw in petty, personal insults. They're childish, and no more mature than school yard bullying. Instead of "You smell like poop! Loser! Loner!" it's now "Fuck you you're a straight white male! Racist! Bigot! Sexist!" or "You're a cuck, go look after your wife's son. Fat fucking dyke." or the basic, "You're dumb [because I don't agree with your opinion and can't/won't offer a discussion]."

More power to you, though. Sing your opinion from the rooftops, just back it up with evidence every once in a while to retain credibility, and perhaps enlighten some of those who would shout it down.
Stumpycoon
Stumpycoon
6 years, 10 months ago
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Sounds like you have had run ins with the "freedom of speech means I am free to say whatever I want to you but will cry like a baby if there are any consequences or you use your freedom of speech to defend yourself" crowd.

Practice what they preach, they say "there are consequences for your free speech", show them the consequence of them abusing their free speech is getting their comment deleted and their account blocked without further attention from you.

After all, if their only contribution to your points and arguments is hate and vitriol, why waste time listening?
RoareyRaccoon
RoareyRaccoon
6 years, 10 months ago
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Aye, I've essentially put up with it for years to give people back their own bile, but the consequence has been stress and anger, which is just poisoning my life to be honest. So now I'm just going to block rather than fight and have more time in the day for other things.
WeaselNip
WeaselNip
6 years, 10 months ago
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I'm glad you won't back down. Expression, be it through art or by voice, is important. No one should be allowed the power to take that from another. Even if I someday disagree with your opinions, I'll defend your right to have them.
Life really is too short -- don't let toxic people affect your health.
Icestorm
Icestorm
6 years, 10 months ago
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how are they taking it from him by challenging him ? He still has can say anything back to them. This sounds really ... really close to a safe space. And in essence .. he is backing down. Hes silencing the people he can't outright beat in debates. Its like playing a game with cheats... because its too hard for his feelings. This is basically a SJW in a nutshell.  He wants to be surround by other posters here , so they can ass pat him and re-enforce his view point. And if you don't agree ?

poof!*

How fragile can you get ?
Icestorm
Icestorm
6 years, 10 months ago
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wait... Aren't you in essence .. creating a safe space like the SJW then ? You are blocking .. silencing everyone who disagrees with you too hard. But letting stand those who are on your side ? Surely you see this ? You are just becoming what you hate.
RoareyRaccoon
RoareyRaccoon
6 years, 10 months ago
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No, people treating me like shit aren't disagreeing with me, they're treating me like shit, which I have no desire to put up with. I'll never become the thing I hate because the thing I hate is seeking people out to verbally abuse for their opinions. I don't ever go to someone's page, submission, tweet or whatever the fuck and attack them for an opinion they have expressed. Because I can tell the difference between a general opinion and a personal insult. Your argument rests entirely on false equivalence and dishonesty, since you categorize everything people say to me as being 'discussion'  and 'disagreement'. Which it fucking isn't.
RoareyRaccoon
RoareyRaccoon
6 years, 10 months ago
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Actually, look at you. You have a blank profile, no face, no name, no opinions laid bare for people to counter, no body of work, no online presence. My real face is in my fa gallery, my name is easily found and I put my views on open display for all to read and judge. You're a scared child, you don't deserve to be listened to or taken seriously. Guess what that means. B-b-b-b-blocked, bitch.
Alvin
Alvin
6 years, 10 months ago
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Edited 6 years, 10 months ago by Owner
When I first read this journal I thought I wouldn't comment...  but having read through all the comments now, I felt the urge to do so.

I will say I very much agree that instead of attacking people directly, countering their opinions with fact and general opinions or even starting well founded debates is a lot better.  Though from experience it is all in the wording and presentation of such that matters the most.  Some might think they were not attacking on a personal level but are perceived as doing so.  

Either way, more to my point...  in past where I have been hit with such attacks I used to just ask them to explain why they did not agree and if they could do so without attacking me.  I know it doesn't work in all situations and some attacks can just be "that bad" there is no point to trying and there is no other solution other than to block the individual.

Well that's it.  My $0.02 as they say.

Thanks for taking the time to share your views and I look forward to seeing what you post next.  As always I love your art style and blunt honesty.  Please keep being you and sharing your opinions!

PS. this is the longest comment I have ever written and I'm sorry if it seems a bit jumbled.  Had to write it over 3 breaks at work so I might have made some of my own point redundant.
RoareyRaccoon
RoareyRaccoon
6 years, 10 months ago
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Yeah I'm way too sensitive, short tempered and confrontational to calmly remain respectful to people who have no principles or respect. Maybe when I'm in my 40s I'll have mellowed out haha.
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