Inkbunny

Yet no one provides a counter argument, just hollow insults and inappropriately timed lol's.
Ironically many of them echoing the exact alleged stereotypes hes attacking.
Kinda like you did here by trying to write him off as "insane ramblings" when the last issue he brought up is absolutely happening.

CuriousFerret

7 years, 10 months ago

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Everyone has a right to rant now and again. And the fequency of Roarey's soapbox pics and journals are rather spaced out.

I would urge you to reconsider you own irritations with him. Try to look past the sharp statement and see what prompted it. Sometimes it justified and a good point is buried in there. Sometimes not and a counter argument on the topic can be made.

Dont just walk off because he's taken on some conservitive bielifs.

Wolfblade

7 years, 10 months ago

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He denounces a set of behavioral patterns he sees - validly so - as being damaging and harmful and making shit worse for people under the guise/excuses/justifications of people thinking they're fighting to make things better. They're not.

He's not insulting people. People who ARE the kinds of stupid and wrong and misguided that he denounces get insulted and take it personally.

Then THOSE people are not simply not "eating up his shit." The ugly responses he gets ARE people going directly to being insulting to him as an individual. They're not arguing his points, they're not defending the behaviors he trashes, they're just attacking him because he does not support what they've been brainwashed into thinking "good" people are supposed to do.

There's no reason or argument, he voices a general objection to general bullshit, and people who are part of the fucked up mindsets that lead to that bullshit ACT like he's insulted them personally, and ACTUALLY insult HIM personally. There's no discussion or explanation or attempt to explain their viewpoint, it's just damning him for not sharing theirs.

The side of shit he rails against is ALWAYS doing this crap. Behaving disgustingly, declaring themselves virtuous, then declaring anyone who has the slightest criticism of them as being supporters of whomever and whatever they've declared their enemies. Someone says they're against nazis, they scream like anyone who has a problem with them must be FOR nazis. Maybe people hate nazis AND the dumb fuck idiot child generation that's currently doing the exact same horrible bullshit that brought the fucking nazis to power in the first place, and people are screaming at the "shut up or we'll punch you" people because that's how you make the fucking nazis stronger, and we don't want that.

Roarey does not express hate or ill will towards people who are not behaving damagingly towards others. He doesn't shit talk people because of race, sex, gender, nationality, any of that shit. He shit talks people who are choosing to be shit in how they act towards others.

So it's telling about the kind of person someone is when they see that and attack him in response.

Icestorm

7 years, 10 months ago

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This is what i don't get about him. He post things like the last two shit storms.. knowing people will come at him with a different view point. He gets just as heated at them. Because he doesn't believe anything should silence him and then he belittles and silences them?

how is this logical. This makes it look like you need a giant Hug box of people who agree with you. Just like the SJW on colleges.

I have no doubt you will just call me stupid and block me , but come on man. You are better than this.

RoareyRaccoon

7 years, 10 months ago

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@ Icestorm

If you don't get it then you haven't thought about it. Its perfectly simple. I will talk to and discuss things with anyone unless they begin by attacking me as a person instead of making an argument against what I've said. Lumi brought up nothing about my argument and just criticised me as a person. That isn't discussion, it's being a cunt. If you be a cunt, you get blocked, because nobody has to put up with it. Its funny you making the same point to people who act like assholes to me as if you want to garner their support before you put the point to me, because you're the one wanting a hugbox, free reign for people to be as shitty as they like with zero consequences. If you stopped and thought for a few minutes you might realize something, you might be able to consider a position that isn't your own and wouldn't that be a miracle.

asthexiancal

7 years, 10 months ago

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Ha ha ha, brilliant move.

Since you allow yourself to put so much opinions online, lemme tell you mine, for once. Yes, for once, since I personnally never interfere in that kind of things, but that's just too BIG for me to pass this one.
You see, you do not give your opinion, you criticize. You criticize, again, and again, always having something (bad) to say because somebody did not go the way that pleases you, and often insult and patronize those persons (those "assholes" who dare not going your way). And I suspect, you do nothing else than criticizing, never actually doing anything for situations to change. And you constantly change your own decisions. At least these are the only things I can extract from your numerous journals (and some pics, many lately) I see coming on my journal submission list. Just looking at the first lines and I say "oh, ok, that's this guy again", without having to look at the icon (and certainly not reading the whole text full of sneaky serpents and venimous toads). You are two or three good artists I am watching of this kind, always the same ones, always having to criticize something, regularly, very often.

If you still read me after those few lines, let me tell you one of the rare good truths on this Earth: you often get what you deserve. You are a troll magnet, a constant arguings generator, all by your own doings. So when you say you've got enough, that it destroys your health, but you will continue doing that, I am split between a monstruous need to laugh, and a bottomless sorrow and pity for you. That's just all I've got to say personnally. Do whatever you want with it.

RoareyRaccoon

7 years, 10 months ago

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@ asthexiancal

Right, so I'm supposed to be working to make changes and not just criticizing things. I've never made an argument before with any sense behind it, I just pointlessly rail at the sky. Never mind the people who have been telling me for years how much entertainment and thought they've gotten from my work, only critics of my tone are correct. If I don't want to take personal attacks from people who took my general opinions directed at no individuals as a personal attack and invitation to fuck with me, I'm a coward who silences dissent. I've never done a thing like have a discussion with people, haha. I don't have to take shit from people who do nothing but attack me and never state their own views so I can't argue with them. I don't have to take shit from anonymous cowards who hide behind a screen name with no real face. I don't have to take advice on how to communicate from people who never do it to the point of having an audience. Its a brilliant move for my personal sanity because people who go out of their way to be cunts to others because they have a different point of view don't deserve to be engaged with. Your batshit argument only applies if you misrepresent everything about me, in other words set up a straw man.

Speaking my mind when I'm angry does not invite people to spew baseless bile at me instead of making a counter argument. It invites people to argue with me. Just because a lot of people are bastards doesn't obligate me to put up with it. I don't see an opinion that irritates me and then go and harass the person who made it, so I'm not going to tolerate it from others. Treat people as you wish to be treated, ever heard of that? Laugh it up.

Stratus

7 years, 10 months ago

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Just don't delete their comments, their opinions may be... different... but they still deserve to be out there, and everyone else deserves to see what they say. If it really is something stupid let people see it for themselves. But yeah the block feature is there for a reason, absolutely use it if you feel you should, just remember the best counter attack to a bad idea, is letting the world see how bad it is.

RoareyRaccoon

7 years, 10 months ago

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I won't delete comments, I want people to see them. I'll just block the person.

Stratus

7 years, 10 months ago

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@ RoareyRaccoon

good on ya!

BrokenPupper

7 years, 10 months ago

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Coming from someone who's deleted comments of those that don't 100% agree with them. But sure only showcase them to show how "dumb" people are because that's all that matters, eh?

Stratus

7 years, 10 months ago

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You didn't submit any ideas, you just flung general baseless insults. Really should learn the difference before challenging other peoples maturity and merits.

Which is made even further ironic because in said journal i said i wouldn't deal with said people, and then you swoop in, and do EXACTLY what was described.

BrokenPupper

7 years, 10 months ago

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Oh did I now? Well I'm sure that can be proven if I can just find my baseless co- oh that's right not only that you erase it but you PM a big fuck you before blocking me, all over a journal where I was the only one to comment. Yet you go out of your way to tell someone else how to hold a debate. Seriously kid? As if you know a damn thing about challenging other people's maturity and merits.

"This is honestly why iv just resorted to trolling, it seems to be all they are good at, so i still will do it better."

Ladies and gentlemen, the expert of public discourse!

Stratus

7 years, 10 months ago

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Hey Vappy I know you think you're hot shit but resorting to calling me kid just shows the pompous ass hole you are. Yeah I cleared your worthless comment. If I wanted to get in a dick waving contest like that id do it on my shit hole of a twitter account. And yeah, you are essentially just a troll. Attack people directly, add nothing constructive to any conversation. Just sit back and make snarky comments at people and then pretend you're some kind of intellectual bad ass. Being called kid by you makes me want to shower. Its gross.

BrokenPupper

7 years, 10 months ago

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"just shows the pompous ass hole you are. Yeah I cleared your worthless comment."

Kid you're falling apart in one sentence alone, can you at the least own up to what you actually do?

"And yeah, you are essentially just a troll. Attack people directly, add nothing constructive to any conversation. Just sit back and make snarky comments at people and then pretend you're some kind of intellectual bad ass."

*cough*

"This is honestly why iv just resorted to trolling"

Talking (or typing) to a mirror I see. Still, admitting to such a cowardly move shows that you have no say in how someone else should debate (which is even more pompous when you don't even take into consideration that Roars have done conversations for a long time now), not that you ever did. If this was in your journal I bet you a grand that you'll erase my statements in a heartbeat.

Stratus

7 years, 10 months ago

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So I troll people on twitter. I have the balls to admit I'm being an ass hole, you on the other hand are stuck in a dillusion that you're better then me, then everyone you don't like. But you are a god damn coward yourself. Anything you say being a deflection, a uninformitive insult, or just snarky bullshittery. Aka a troll. You don't stand for anything, or are at least too much of a pussy to be foward about it. Not to mention you have absolutly no room to judge anyone else for trolling given your tendency to go to other people's journals looking for a fight. Lastly you left out the rest of my quote. "I honestly just resort to trolling. It's all they seem to be good at and I'll still be better at it then them"

I tried tollorance. I tried letting things go. I started off this path saying I didn't care to hear from people that only had attacks and insults to add to a discussion and some little shithead baby fur had to come along and act like the exact self absorbed egotistical fuck boy I was talking about. So Vappy which is it. Are you just a better troll then myself or just such a shitty person that you drag others down with you?

Regardless of your answer I'll see it tommorow. I got work and won't be starting my day with whatever "that's where your wrong kiddo" style shit you lay out next.

Stratus

7 years, 10 months ago

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Actually vappy scratch that. Say whatever your gonna say. I'm done with this argument. In a petty ass hole contest between us, I can't win either way. This isn't going anywhere and the braincells I'm losing would be better spent drinking.

BrokenPupper

7 years, 10 months ago

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You don't know shit about either of us, you never presented isn't discussion, you demand respect after spitting on the face of people that were upset about the election, and now you wanna pout because your getting scolded instead on munching on popcorn to enjoy drama made by someone you only like for said drama. Your judgements mean shit, boy. Take your fill to Reddit!

Stratus

7 years, 10 months ago

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1) made it clear I was upset about election choices in general
2) you know as much about me as I do you
3) I follow roary for art and any drama on his post is from people like you

Have a nice fucking day Vappy.

RoareyRaccoon

7 years, 10 months ago

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Get out of here you waste of space. Coming to my journal to fuck with someone else, its pathetic.

MaximilianUltimata

7 years, 10 months ago

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I try to take the high road and avoid character attacks in my responses to people. I had one person come to me after throwing his pseudo-nihilistic weight around a few weeks ago and was surprised at how level-headed and civil my response was to him, that I didn't devolve into vulgarity, racial slurs and personal insults.

I am a researcher at heart, which is why when I REALLY get my dander up, half of my response or journal will be blue and break the puny 4000 character limit. I'm also a fighter filled with endless anger, but I don't lash out recklessly, perhaps because I have real physical scars from a time when I did do that.

Now if only more people could be as civil.

KimaSaiyan

7 years, 10 months ago

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I have to say, I enjoy a good debate too, as long as both sides act mature and show they're well informed, I don't have anything against others having another opinion, and I love to know why and compare.

But yeah, it can get frustrating when your's is basically attacked just because it differs,

RoareyRaccoon

7 years, 10 months ago

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Debates are indeed a lot of fun. I'm simply burned out from everything I say becoming a debate, everything resulting in twisted backlash from people who consume my art, never commission me and only interact with me to tell me I'm a sack of shit who deserves every nasty thing I get.

Foozene

7 years, 10 months ago

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*Claps and cheers*

kiwakiwa

7 years, 10 months ago

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i personally am glad that you decided to keep on doing said rants and journals, to me , they have always been a delight to read, many having insights to given issue from a new perspective and a different range of experiences than i have, and , even in the rare case i disagree with something you have said, i have found them highly entertaining and educational points of view :)
So, to reiterate, i'm glad that your ramblings and arguments have been there to brighten my days and given me things to think about, and i'm glad those will also be there in the future, cheers :)

RoareyRaccoon

7 years, 10 months ago

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It means a lot when someone gets anything positive from the shit I do on the internet, so thank you XP.

AlexanderPony

7 years, 10 months ago

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Well like said on FA i agree with you Roarey love ya !!!

Gobby

7 years, 10 months ago

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Life is too short to take shit from people~

KennyKitsune

7 years, 10 months ago

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I dun wanna be a meanie like these other jerks.

DerpBowlWelf

7 years, 10 months ago

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Though oftentimes I don't agree 100% with everything you say, you seem to know what you're talking about and I respect that. Debates are always fun long as they're kept mature, free from insults. You do, however, have a rather agressive way to express your arguments and say things that might be seen as insults. I believe that's the main source of the backlash you get, can't say I'm completely though, since I find myself talking like that during my rants.

I'll wrap this up by saying I do like reading your rants and you're doing the right thing by ignoring those who preffer a personal attack over enlightening you with counter-arguments. As already said on the comment section, life is too short to be annoyed at those people.

RoareyRaccoon

7 years, 10 months ago

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I'll never deny I'm aggressive in how I put things across, its true. I think the crucial difference is that my anger and stern attitude is directed at a behaviour or idea rather than a specific person. When people get pissed at my opinion they attack me personally, something I hadn't done to them. So they justify being a piece of shit to a person because they were upset by a general statement and they are never accountable for it. I'm supposed to be accountable for my opinion but they aren't for their abusive behaviour, haha. The only consequences they get are how I respond to them, but they don't have a few dozen people shouting at them.

Stratus

7 years, 10 months ago

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I just took the bait from someone and I'm sorry for spamming your comments with nonsense

RevampSkunk

7 years, 10 months ago

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