I'm not enjoying it. I could lose my Medicaid DX and you watch, they're huffing and puffing now, but every single Republican Senator will probably vote for it, and some of the corporate dems as well.
I'm not enjoying it. I could lose my Medicaid DX and you watch, they're huffing and puffing now, but
Eh, I look at it this way... Social Security, Welfare, Medicade, all the government assistance programs are teetering on bankruptcy anyway. Might as well pull the band aide off fast.
Eh, I look at it this way... Social Security, Welfare, Medicade, all the government assistance progr
I look at this this way.. You've got a crap ton of old people and no young people to support them since the oldies didn't decide to have kids. Who's going to take care of their mummified asses?
I look at this this way.. You've got a crap ton of old people and no young people to support them si
wait wait wait, you've lost me on this completely, but let's go back to your first point, because, assuming it's even remotely true, what you're basically saying is that I shouldn't have access to healthcare (which I would have without having to find a good non-profit law firm and fighting the system for 2 years if I lived in any modern country except the US) because the government isn't funding it enough.
wait wait wait, you've lost me on this completely, but let's go back to your first point, because, a
I don't think you SHOULDN'T have access to it. I just view the governmental screwing of poor people without lube as an inevitable. It's sort of what a government DOES most of the time. But they did explain something about the whole trumpcare thing... essentially if you can't get them to agree to every single point, they will filibuster the bill to death. That is utterly insane. But you CAN get the government to agree to cutting things pretty easily, particularly if you can get them to redirect the money into their own pockets or as tax cuts to people who will fund their campaigns. Hence, the lack of lube in our future ass rape.
I don't think you SHOULDN'T have access to it. I just view the governmental screwing of poor people
And I believe that, due to the fact that old people pretty much vote in unison, it's more profitable for them to kill young poor people to keep old voting people alive and happy.
And I believe that, due to the fact that old people pretty much vote in unison, it's more profitable
Yeah, I'm sorry about that... I shouldn't comment politically while operating essentially on sleep deprivation, political burn out rage, and 100 proof grain alcohol.
Yeah, I'm sorry about that... I shouldn't comment politically while operating essentially on sleep d
Also, Frustration I suppose. Because everyone complains now.. but there's nothing anyone can actually DO about it. Unless you're a millionaire, a million people, or one of the talking heads, what effect can you possibly HAVE on our system? You're going to end up taking that spiky governmental dick no matter what and if you can't become one of those three things, it's not going to stop fucking you.
Also, Frustration I suppose. Because everyone complains now.. but there's nothing anyone can actuall
god healthcare is just so fucked, im stuck with an auto immune disease, poor income, im just in the margin where its hard for me to work, but not quiet disabled either, and when i flare my treatments can get expensive...
god healthcare is just so fucked, im stuck with an auto immune disease, poor income, im just in the
Oh man.. I actually had the government TELL me I'm disabled. As in, will likely never be able to work... and then deny me ANY kind of help. Basically "Hi! We know you're crazy. Go fuck yourself."
Oh man.. I actually had the government TELL me I'm disabled. As in, will likely never be able to wor
its really frustrating, I want to work, but my capabilities are so limited at times, and i have no way to get through college to learn a trade that i could possibly manage, and most the work without it is to hard on my physically...im really at a loss right now what i am to do
its really frustrating, I want to work, but my capabilities are so limited at times, and i have no w
i'll be frank I hated obamacare I thought ti was stupid and fineing people for not haveing it was LITERALY theft! SO fuck it im glad it's gone!
that bieng SAID I am not a big fan of "trumpcare" either what i have seen of the bill is literally just Obamacare light with no real fixes or changes to the problems Obamacare HAD! If my understanding of this instead of a borderline unconstitutional law that helps some people we have a far more constitutional law that helps almost nobody.... ok? great so nothing useful is being done here >.>
they need to take it back to the drawing board and rebuild if you ask me.
i'll be frank I hated obamacare I thought ti was stupid and fineing people for not haveing it was LI
Only real way to force the health industry to even try and be competitive is to turn to single payer health care like Canada did.
Give people the option to pay an extra seven percent on their federal income tax going to Medicare and let them start receiving the benefits now.
You'll see an immediate drop in deductibles and premiums as the private sector stuggles to match the all encompassing coverage the federal government can give.
Only way to force them to care about their customers.
Only real way to force the health industry to even try and be competitive is to turn to single payer
this isent actualy all that bad an idea. I need to learn more about the single payer system before I can render any real opinion on it but it seems to be working for people.
this isent actualy all that bad an idea. I need to learn more about the single payer system before I
Obamacare has saved people's lives and wasn't even slightly unconstitutional. No part of the US constitution says that affordable healthcare for those that need it most is illegal. I don't even remember the part of the constitution that deals with healthcare - I'm pretty sure there isn't one.
Obamacare has saved people's lives and wasn't even slightly unconstitutional. No part of the US cons
im not talking about the healthcare bill itself Im talking about the way ti was handled and the fact that they would FINE you for NOT useing it...
basicly either I had to pay something like 70-100 a month that the government seems to think I can afford becouse I had a shitty job at the time. or lose a shit ton off my tax refund in fines..
yeah, fuck you Obama.
were suposed to be protected against the government stealing from us =p Not everybody liked or benafited from Obama care, that being said I dont find the GOP's version much better
im not talking about the healthcare bill itself Im talking about the way ti was handled and the fact
Really? Because from the things you posted I would've guessed you lived in a tower made out of marble. You don't seem to really care that people could die from not getting coverage - including the person whose journal you are commenting on. The fine is there to make sure people use the system, because if you don't use it then it becomes less effective.
But since you seem so well versed on Obamacare and 'The World's Greatest Healthcare plan of 2017' let me ask you - what is an acceptable healthcare system?
Really? Because from the things you posted I would've guessed you lived in a tower made out of marbl
Single-payer, like everyone else in the civilized world. Also to be clear, if I lose Medicaid, I probably won't die, at least not from my current problems, though I have been told that it's possible I could have died from the infection I had to have surgery for, which I could only get done through Medicaid. There's no way I could have paid for it before that. Still, I won't be able to talk to my therapist anymore if I lose Medicaid, and get prescriptions for my anxiety meds. Kratom helps a lot, but I wouldn't put it past Texas to make that illegal eventually.
Now, I don't think it's fair to say that Kevian doesn't care if people die, it's really just the fine for not buying insurance, which pretty much everyone including people in favor of Obamacare don't like about it. Without that fine, there would really be no negatives, except that it's still not catching up to other modern countries with single-payer. It also doesn't help that many Republican governors, our beloved Rick Perry included, refused to implement the medicaid expansion, for no other reason than "OHMAHGURD OBAMA!"
Single-payer, like everyone else in the civilized world. Also to be clear, if I lose Medicaid, I pro
And maybe not intentionally, but that is a consequence of being against healthcare. People die if they can't get healthcare, that isn't an opinion, that is a fact.
So you could've died without it! And maybe not intentionally, but that is a consequence of being a
im not super well versed it in it, I used it as little as possible and still ended up paying into it like everybody else via the fines leved against me and everybody else for chooseing not to have it, or being unwilling or unable to afford it.
There are meny reasons not to like obamacare, and im entitled to my opinions.
Im tired of people on the left ATTACKING anybody who doesnt join in with there nice neat little echo chamber.
IM allready STATED that I dont agree with replacing obamacare with something just as broken or worse, but instead of makeing me an ally, your requireing I defend myself simply for stateing that I found the old bill disgusting in that it forces me to pay for it's existince weather I want to or not.
Trust me I wish i lived in the marble tower you mentioned, sleeping on my cushy Silken matress stuffed with wads of thousend doller bills, but sadly Im an Unemployed retail worker with a highschool level education. Not some millionaire even saying that, I still hated Obama care.
I shouldent be forced to participate, or else! Even if the system is less effective for it. Besides it was bullshit from the outset. Obama started in with free health care for everybody! Wich i was on board with and even one of the reasons I voted for him twice.
THen it turned into Affordable healthcare...wich turned out to be to expensive for me...wich would have been FINE if not for the fact Oh WHOOPSIE!!! You STILL gotta pay if you DONT have the healthcare. Why? no reason.
i AGREE that the tax ciuts for the ritch in the new bill is bullshit XD I agree that the incrreased cost toe Medicade and medicare is bad as well.
I SIMPLY said I DONT like Obamacare, and that is the ONLY thing im glad to see go here, not that it's a good idea to replace it with this garbage.
as for my solution if you REDUCE the cost of healthcare OR if you reduce the cost of insurance you can let the free market sort it out. Healthcare is To expensive in this country PIRIOD wich is the whole reason we HAVE insurance companys leeching the life blood out of the healthy and the sick alike the entire CONCEPT of insurance is anoying but apparently a necessary evil.
we need to adress the costs that create the problem not slap a crudly constructed bandaid onto it and call it done. both obamacare and trumpcare are poor salutions.
im not super well versed it in it, I used it as little as possible and still ended up paying into it
Echo Chamber? I'm sorry, that isn't a proper defence. Whining about how I'm challenging your beliefs by claiming I don't want my beliefs challenged isn't a proper defence. Feel free to critique me - though you'd first have to ask what I actually believe since so far its just been assumptions.
And if you are poor, then you should know how deadly it can be to not have healthcare - I don't have it even under Obamacare. But the thing is, a lot of people I care about can get it - and I'll be damned to the darkest regions of hell if I'm going to see those I care about hurt because some rich guy couldn't afford his gold-studded golf-cart or because a few politicians think it somehow violates some vague abstract of morality to have healthcare.
And here is a tip for you - the only way to reduce the costs is government intervention which has to be tax-payer funded. Everyone has to pay into it, or it doesn't work. You don't get to pick and choose what you pay for just like I don't when I pay taxes. You are not going to have a free market solution to a problem created by the modern conception of what a free market is - which is apparently rich men shitting on the poor.
Echo Chamber? I'm sorry, that isn't a proper defence. Whining about how I'm challenging your beliefs
i still should not be made to pay a fine to support something I diddent want in the first place. Obama care worked for SOME people, but it barly did the job it was created to do, it was a horrible mess. Even HIllery and Bernie Sanders spoke about reforming it and makeing adjustments to it.
Fact of the matter remains it's a free country and I;ve every right to say the affordable care act is toilet paper and not need to defend myself or my opinion, At no point have I said im anti healthcare, or fuck the poor sick people let them all die. Just fuck obama care. I think it's poorly constructed, It never helped me, even when I needed help, and to some extent still DO need help medically, so fuck it, im glad to see it go. I hope we can as a nation, produce something more effective.
I do however agree with mystbunnys above remark about how replacing it with something just as bad or worse and slashing funding to mediaid and medicare is stupid.
i still should not be made to pay a fine to support something I diddent want in the first place. Oba
Again, the 'I have a right you are infringing on my free speech arguement' is not going to work here - because I'm not telling you that you are not allowed to say things. You can't just use that arguement everytime I disagree with you - you don't see me going around blabbing on about how you want to shut me up. Getting really tired of it - its hard to have intelligent discourse with people that go straight for the free speech card no matter what.
And having to defend your position isn't me infringing any of your rights - its part of life. Having opinions and being able to back them with evidence is life - everyone else on this planet has to do it granted they are not a world leader or massive corporation.
And yes, reforming it - not getting rid of it and making sure more people are hurt and die because of their own incompetence. Neither of them would've repealed it before coming up with something better. All I can say is that if Trumpcare does pass, I really hope you enjoy not paying a fine, and I really hope all of us stay healthy.
Again, the 'I have a right you are infringing on my free speech arguement' is not going to work here
Great, then if I get sick and can't afford to get healthcare - I can at least take solace in the fact that someone somewhere is benefiting from my suffering at least.
Great, then if I get sick and can't afford to get healthcare - I can at least take solace in the fac
Ahhh, then I will suffer in vain - it seems even the hypothetical death of an anarcho-syndicalist (literally the most left you can be) isn't enough to cheer you up.
But hey - since you said you hate Trumpcare, can we expect to see a 'Fuck you Trump' from you? Or only 'liberal' presidents get those?
Ahhh, then I will suffer in vain - it seems even the hypothetical death of an anarcho-syndicalist (l
I gave Obama 8 years =p far as I'm concerned he really dident go batshit on me untill the final 4 =p I dont tow a party line I'm more of a, common sence kinda person most of the time. The left has just been so batshit lately that it's making a lot sensible people sound right wing.
In fact if i HAD to label myself I would say i'm a left leaning moderate.
dont worry the "fuck trump" is comeing im sure, just waiting for him to fuck up big enough.
I gave Obama 8 years =p far as I'm concerned he really dident go batshit on me untill the final 4 =p
If he hasn't yet - I doubt he'll meet your standards. Trumpcare, The wall, The Russian connections, The Racist conspiracies, The non-racist conspiracies, The Twitter-wars, The Media repression and constant attack on media.
If you don't think that is batshit insane enough then I'm really surprised at you getting up in arms about a small fine.
And I don't tow a party line either - Anarcho-syndicalist. I just really care about other humans, they are good people - really. I care about their freedom, their lively hood, their health, and their welfare. I care deeply for the ability of all good men and women to be able to peruse for themselves a life of happiness and freedom so long as that freedom doesn't infringe on others. So when I see someone expressing fantastically racist beliefs or blindingly misinformed 'facts' I really can't help myself but speak up. And unlike some Utopian others, I have to work with what is there - what we had was Hillary, there was no, and is no Magic way to make Bernie the Democratic pick. There was and is no magic way to dissolve the federal government. Things have to be done as they are able in steps. I'm not going to say Fuck those people all hail the new people just because I didn't agree with the old people. If my freedoms were not threatened in this election, I wouldn't have even voted. Jill Stein believes that vaccines cause autism, Gary Johnson is a fucking moron, Trump is a bratty puppet of a hostile foreign power, and Hillary isn't really all that progressive.
Also, if you really want to see which side of the isle is batshit insane I suggest doing more research on the 'left' and right.
If he hasn't yet - I doubt he'll meet your standards. Trumpcare, The wall, The Russian connections,
Oh nonnono I know the rights pretty nutter butters to go to far one way or to far the other and it's all Guano as far as the eye can see. has for trump not meeting my standards...ehh i EXPECT this shit of trump so I supose im a bit more resistent to it. He is a symptom of a much larger issue one I hope a trump presidency will wake america up to.
The bi partisan system has failed us completely.
We arnt so dramaticly opposed you and I I want afordable effective and or free and effective healthcare as well and I agree the way it is BEING handled right NOW is fucking retarted.
i just diddent like the old system any better. Time will tell if it was in fact, better then whats being proposed, I have low expectations of the new health bill it seems pretty shitty honestly.
Oh nonnono I know the rights pretty nutter butters to go to far one way or to far the other and it's
That shouldn't excuse him. I expect the worst out of everyone in a position of power - since there is only one reason any of them are there in the first place. I think what Trump is doing is the most abhorrent bullshit we've seen any politician in the United States ever do - something on the scale of what an African dictator or Putin would do. I mean, he literally repressed the media. If Obama had done what he did there, if Bush had done what he did there, the United States would fracture into more pieces than a jenga puzzle after someone tries to take all three bottom bars.
The Trump presidency has only awakened the most vile, ignorant, and brainless of the American Public. His presidency lets people pretend their opinion is as good as fact, his presidency lets them think its okay to kill or harass minorities, his presidency makes them think its okay to openly attack our allies, his presidency makes them think its okay to limit freedoms in a very real way. You thought 'SJW cucks' were bad? Now we have some in office, but they are not the 'leftists' everyone was always shitting over.
That shouldn't excuse him. I expect the worst out of everyone in a position of power - since there i
I understand your fears but alot of what you said above is some pretty gross over generalizing.
Trump has not opressed the media he has called them out on there bullshit. Alot of Mainstream news media outlets have been getting away for far to long, on haveing zero jurnalistic integrity and over inflateing shit that will get them better rateings. THey are far from unbised like they should be and they dont report the facts and ONLY the facts like they should be. the report conjecture and opinion and often color things a serten way to make them more exciteing.
the US new media is utter crap now and everybody knows it. Trump is FANTASTIC for these people becouse it will force them to fact check themselves, In a weird way we will have a far more truthworthy media by the time this is over with. I stoped listening to the mainstream news long long ago back dering the bush administration XD if you want real news you have to check the sources yourself now you cant trust the media not to lie enbelish or frame things there way.
Trumps presidency has not awakened the most vile people, those people were allready there and would still be there if hillery had one, or bernie.
Trumps presidency is not supporting the murder of minorites.
Trump is not a racist, trump is not a Nazi ect ect ect I am so sick of defending this man.
Lets not call him what angry people who dont like that fact that he one are calling him and lets be HONEST with ourselves.
Trump is a populist, he cares about poeples opinion of him he wants to be adored. At this time in our history that is largly the reason why he got elected, he played to what the majority of people wanted to here.
He is also an egotistical idiot.
I am no fan of him but I still think he is SLIGHTLY better then hillery who was corrupt as SHIT and actualy smart enough to be a real danger. Trumps a fool X3 and a fools blunders can be contained. I hope america learns from this and doesent allow another election between an idiot and an actual soul devouring monster XD
You may proceed to insult trump to your hearts content, I only ask people refrane from echoing the media and far lefts buzzwords about him being a racist sexist nazi who loves david duke none of that is actualy true. X3
I understand your fears but alot of what you said above is some pretty gross over generalizing. Tr
It doesn't matter - freedom of speech is freedom of speech. Whether you are full of crap or not you are allowed to express your opinion. But I am more talking about the preferential treatment of Brietbart and the kicking out of a lot of other news media outlets. That is bad.
Also, NPR and RFE/RL are good news outlets. RFE/RL was actually made specifically to combat censorship and continues, to this day, to fight tooth and nail for that end.
Since Trump has come to office the number of hate groups in the USA that actively operate has increased by nearly 100 - and that is just in this short amount of time. Not to mention that I've never heard about so many fucking racist scandals in such a short amount of time. He is cited so many racist conspiracies and has expressed such an ignorance of our nation that it is disgusting.
And I'm sick of hearing people defend him. He isn't a good person, he hasn't done anything good. He hasn't even set the term limits he promised yet. His 100 days is ticking down and he hasn't done shit except cause problems.
I'm not calling him anything but stupid. You brought up the f-word.
I haven't used any buzzwords, though he is racist and sexist - that...really isn't up for debate. If you hold beliefs that because of someone's skin color or ethnicity they will act a certain way or a large majority are a certain way that is called racism. You can't just say 'he isn't racist because I want to like him' I mean, I want to like everyone - but that doesn't make them good people.
It doesn't matter - freedom of speech is freedom of speech. Whether you are full of crap or not you
Replacing it, yes, but removing it first.. not a good idea to send it back to the free market without something else in place. Also the Trumpcare bill does include changes. It gives big tax breaks to the ultra-wealthy. What a surprise.
Replacing it, yes, but removing it first.. not a good idea to send it back to the free market withou
Apparently all conservatives care about is rich people getting richer. Fuck the sick, poor, and elderly - you know, the people that use healthcare, build the hospitals, and fought to keep them running.
Apparently all conservatives care about is rich people getting richer. Fuck the sick, poor, and elde
Look, I can only tell you about my experience under the free market... actually there's nothing to tell, because I didn't have health care. I could occasionally afford to go to a clinic and get some antibiotics for a serious infection, but what I actually needed was surgery. The free market says I can't have the surgery, so I was forced to allow this infection to grow and become resistant. The only way I could get the surgery was to get Medicaid. To do that, I had to find a good advocate and a non-profit law-firm, fill out forms, and appeal over and over again for 2 YEARS meanwhile occasionally being unable to walk because the infection got so bad, and I had to spend what little money I had to get to a clinic and get antibiotics or a cheap procedure that allowed me to walk again, but it was only temporary.
When I finally did get Medicaid, I got the surgery, and now I have healthcare. Now I can see a doctor when I have an infection and get it treated so I don't have to go through all of that again. So in my experience, taxpayer funded healthcare seems to be working, so I still don't understand how it couldn't be at the very least SOMEWHAT better than what we have right now if everyone had access to something like Medicaid or Medicare.
so for me: free market = no healthcare/expensive substandard healthcare Government funded program = healthcare
So you bet your ass I'm not going to rely on the free market to take care of me. The video also mentions the wait time for ambulances. Where I live, we have a situation where an ambulance service has moved into our area, bought out all of the competition, and now has a monopoly on the entire ambulance system for hours in all directions, creating an even bigger problem of Ambulance workers being forced to adhere to ridiculous, under-regulated, greedy company policies or be fired and spreading itself thinly by attempting to maximize those oh-so-revered profit margins that I had to watch my best friend die while an ambulance was on its way from WAY too far out.
So you bet your ass I don't want the free market handling my healthcare. If that means I have to wait a little longer than I do now to get anti-biotics, hey, at least it's not 2 years for for desperately needed surgery while trying to do it in a way that didn't give me a medical bill I could NEVER have paid off.
Look, I can only tell you about my experience under the free market... actually there's nothing to t
