I like your stuff what ever people get freebies or commissions from you. I agreed with you that those who are whining about it needs to cut it out and accept that you do what you want to do. I will always respect your choices and you as an artist and person.
I like your stuff what ever people get freebies or commissions from you. I agreed with you that thos
tbh I really don't understand the hate. It's like... yeah, maybe some artists work behind paywall now. Maybe entirely behind paywall, but that's up to them. Yes, it can suck if you can't afford it. But in the end, the artist is the only one who gets to chose how they run their business!
tbh I really don't understand the hate. It's like... yeah, maybe some artists work behind paywall no
Yeah, me neither. If it works out for the artisis, then that's great, no need to get all pissy simply for not being able to see what's not intended for you since it's a reward for supporters.
Yeah, me neither. If it works out for the artisis, then that's great, no need to get all pissy simpl
Yeah i see nothing wrong with Patreon. It's already hard enough for artists to make money with their hard work. What the heck is wrong with trying to do something to help that? It's not like they're required to pay for certain perks or art. Honestly I think Saucy should sort of see it as a compliment that people would get that bitchy and whiny for your art. People get THAT emotional for your work.~
Yeah i see nothing wrong with Patreon. It's already hard enough for artists to make money with their
Y'know what? At least they have the opportunity to see the artwork that they see. Jeez. Insolent twits. >8(
I'd just tell 'em to shove their entitled heads deeper into their entitled asses and disappear into an endless void, an anal vortex, replete with ungrateful fuck-knuckled greedy goddam dweeb-wads like themselves. ;P
Besides! Patreon isn't the end of the freaking world. Goodness gracious! lol
So I read the, uh... unpleasantness. Evidently, somebody needs to disinfect the BULLSHIT from their TWAT asap. XD lmfao
Y'know what? At least they have the opportunity to see the artwork that they see. Jeez. Insolent twi
Hey, what can I say? I'm an extreme writer of sorts. ;P lol
*sigh* just... brush 'em off and keep on doing what you do best, fellow artist. There's more support than spite among your fellow +watchers, I suspect! <3
Hey, what can I say? I'm an extreme writer of sorts. ;P lol *sigh* just... brush 'em off and keep
You should draw cashews arguing at each other over the exact same idiocy that you had to face tonight. XD Just as a way to vent out some of those excess frustrations. lol Or not? Sorry that had to happen to y'all. :/
You should draw cashews arguing at each other over the exact same idiocy that you had to face tonigh
For me I don't like Patreon because I don't want to say I'll pledge x amount of dollars to y number of artists and something come up or I screw something up and I get the pledge reward but got a new card or whatever and accidentally screw someone out of some money, I read some artists said people would get the pledge reward than pull their pledge and they couldn't do anything about it. That said if an artist wants to do patreon or paid exclusive art or have people wait to see it here or pay to see it there early I have no problem with that, I don't like when artists do pure paywall because I don't like setting a certain amount aside each month and getting scatterbrained, but I try to do donations and commissions and all that every now and then so I don't feel like a mooch. But it's your art so do what you feel is best and screw those who want everything for nothing.
For me I don't like Patreon because I don't want to say I'll pledge x amount of dollars to y number
I will ask though, do you do a thing for individual pictures, like if I saw a patreon exclusive but just wanted to see that drawing a one time payment of a dollar or something?
I will ask though, do you do a thing for individual pictures, like if I saw a patreon exclusive but
o: I do monthly donations thing. So I guess it would be totally possible to just pledge for one month, and access everything for that month, and remove the pledge the next month!
o: I do monthly donations thing. So I guess it would be totally possible to just pledge for one mont
That's fucked up. It's your patreon, you publish free art, what's wrong with having art put aside for those who pay? JFC, I swear artists get no respect, no respect at all. =(
That's fucked up. It's your patreon, you publish free art, what's wrong with having art put aside fo
Not sure how a stable income through supporters is a long-term negative impact.
As for the negative impact on customers, that's entirely up to the artist. When people open commissions their commissioned work becomes a service. The same goes for patreon, but it also depends on what they're using it for. Not all patreons are managed the same way, and while some may charge monthly in request for support to continue their hobbies, others may be using it to fund a long term project. Ultimately, it's up to the artist to treat their customers with respect and care in the service they provide, and if they choose not to it's up to customers to learn when to not support someone or something they don't like. (egads! What a wild concept!)
Either way It's not bad for customers when that artist does something a little special for their direct supporters in their own unique channels. It's really no different than an artist doing extra gift work for commissioners who give them the most support, or commissioners who want to keep their requests private.
People who complain about not getting to see art are often super anal collectors who don't realize that art isn't exactly a trading card collection; You don't get to see everything unless you're everywhere and directly supporting the artist as a fan, and even then, if an artist just decides they don't want to post something, one may never see that picture or know it exists. People just have to accept that. It's life.
Not sure how a stable income through supporters is a long-term negative impact. As for the negativ
perfectly made, more furries need to realize if they dont like the way an artist runs their patreon then don't buy in and just except what you can get. If the community really doesn't like it then likely they will change it, hopefully by asking what people would like. I'd love to see more artists run their patreon via timed exclusives, high rez files, and WiPs as I see nothing that can be complained about, and thats the kind of artists i plan to support when i have a stable income. but im not going to trash talk an artist for how they run their own, and will leave them well enough be unless they ask for such opinions
perfectly made, more furries need to realize if they dont like the way an artist runs their patreon
Except it really isn't stable. Most of the artists I know end up burned out on patreon rewards, fail to meet their goals, losing customers bit by bit. Even worse, a huge number of people pledge then pull out at the last minute, tricking the artist and netting a lot of free stuff.
It really is a terrible replacement for traditional payment methods and donations, and harbors a culture of bait-and-switch tactics and theft.
Except it really isn't stable. Most of the artists I know end up burned out on patreon rewards, fai
Burn out is an issue that all artists face when taking on any kind of commission work. I suffered from it myself when I first opened even simple ones, and patron wasn't involved at all. It's unfortunately up to the artist to find their comfort zone so they don't burn out, and they have to do that long before even opening a Patreon.
As for schemers, they will always exist anywhere. I don't know if you've heard of people who force refunds on PayPal after receiving art, but that's a thing as well. There will always be more honest people than switchers, however. Other wise Patreon wouldn't be in business today.
Burn out is an issue that all artists face when taking on any kind of commission work. I suffered fr
As a person who watches and supports many various patreon campaigns, I think we see different "norms." The norm I see is stability, with a bit of falloff here and there as people may not have the funds one month, but come back to support as long as the content is still coming.
Have you watched or supported patreon campaigns that suggested otherwise?
As a person who watches and supports many various patreon campaigns, I think we see different "norms
Numerous. Of the 17 or so I started to support, only 5 even remain, of which only 4 are active (Gregtech, Ultraviolet, Gateways of Reality, and an artist I removed for other reasons). People tend to see only what they want to see that supports their position, it's a common cognitive bias.
Numerous. Of the 17 or so I started to support, only 5 even remain, of which only 4 are active (Gre
I see, well, rather than looking at the number of failures I rather observe what makes failures or successful campaigns... It helps that, Of the 18 I supported, 13 still remain and are active. Of the ones that have fallen off, 2 were because of artists being overwhelmed, the rest were due to project completion and other reasons.
Half of the ones I support are ongoing productions (Limit Break Radio podcast, the Jimquisition, etc.) that follow a model that release free content and are just accepting support. You know, actual patronage. The rest follow a similar model and either eventually release their work to the public or do so immediately because they're providing their art as a service or a production as well.
All of the ones I have supported that went down due to artists being overwhelmed were artists who use the site as an exclusive art gallery. And that has told me that success on Patreon depends on your ability to manage a production schedule or project. .... AKA work it like a job of some kind, being professional about it or at least being consistent; Something that some artists simply aren't ready for in the slightest.
I believe this is because not all artists have the same perspective or approach to how they make their art. Heck, I know I'm certainly not ready to take on a regular production; I don't even have a central focus or story. Art is different for everyone, both on the creation and the enjoyment ends, and not all artists are ready to produce a steady stream of content from their galleries; least of all artists who only draw on commission.
But, for artists who want to maintain working on their comics, or build a growing portfolio of work, or maintain a website filled with art, or continue their own personal worlds, it's fine. Self motivation and a strong focus are the keys to maintaining a productive, active, and successful Patreon campaign.
I see, well, rather than looking at the number of failures I rather observe what makes failures or s
I find that time eventually overcomes that gumption, though. Cheat someone enough times and demand more, expect more, enough times- they'll burn out or get sick of it. People seem to just want Patreon to work so badly as a steady income and second-job type of setup that they let themselves get railroaded quite badly before they realize they're half a state away from it being worth the effort put in.
I don't support devaluing artists' time and work to adhere to a mass-manufacturing style of production.
I find that time eventually overcomes that gumption, though. Cheat someone enough times and demand
I don't consider being paid to continue making my work as a form of "devaluation," but I suppose that's more an opinion thing.
As it stands there, I feel it's more up to the artist and their goals, projects and work preferences than it being an absolute constant. If so many others can do it, then there must be some way, even if it's not everyone's cup of tea. It's certainly not mine... As for Sauce-stuffs, we can only wait and see~
I don't consider being paid to continue making my work as a form of "devaluation," but I suppose tha
Ok i read though the crap that happened, while i may agree with the point he eventually made (doing timed exclusives so everyone can eventually enjoy it) he didnt even make the point for half an hour, he just opened up bashing patreon, then bashing you and those that support your patreon.
Ok i read though the crap that happened, while i may agree with the point he eventually made (doing
I dunno man. :U Also, you're releasing the stuff after a delay, with a mild watermark, right? I... don't see the issue. I seriously don't. I know of artists (won't mention any names) who have stuff from years ago that you can only get via torrent or certain galleries because their stuff was a timed exclusive, physically limited exclusive, or similar.
People gonna... peop... le...? I dunno man. :U Also, you're releasing the stuff after a delay, with
Not really a fan of Patreon myself. but It's your art, and your decision on what you're gonna do with it. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a thread on lulz right now demanding for a rip of your Patreon. I probably won't be a Patron because simply: I'm usually broke or up to my neck in bills, so I'm SOoL. Regardless, Your art is cool as heck, and whatever I get to see, I'm happy with.
Also, whoever is throwing a shitfit about your art needs a shot of battery acid to his balls...
Not really a fan of Patreon myself. but It's your art, and your decision on what you're gonna do wit
Wow never knew that any business that tries to promote itself through advertising was actually being a dick and that they should all only have free stuff available! Going to make my next trip to the restaurant/movies/store/any place I've ever seen an ad for much easier!
Wow never knew that any business that tries to promote itself through advertising was actually being
Now see (I don't know if you actually run a Patreon and are referring to it), that's the thing I don't have an issue with Patreon or similar "supporter exclusive" things. It doesn't even need to be a majority of your content that's free to view, there's no problem with having *some* incentive for folks to donate/sub because I know not everyone's like me and would just toss money to an artist for no reason other than support if they have it (if *I* had money I would, as it stands, I don't).
Assuming I guessed wrong though and it's not about Patreon...regardless, yeah, there's no harm in offering something as a thanks to the folks who support you. Especially when you already put up a large sum of content that anyone can just scroll through, there is such thing as entitlement amongst the viewerbase.
Now see (I don't know if you actually run a Patreon and are referring to it), that's the thing I don
omg liek dont even start dat sheet i need yo free arts noaw or ima get my momma after you! XD LOL honestly i dont get people like that either, its your art, NOT theres, if there 'entitled' then they are entitled to a pencil and paper, and entitled to grow some balls and practice and draw there own free shit. XD lol
omg liek dont even start dat sheet i need yo free arts noaw or ima get my momma after you! XD LOL ho
