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NotASpoiler: Zootopia is Amazing!

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It's not just a fun and funny talking animal Disney film, but a legitimate buddy cop movie with suspense, mystery, and heart, with an actual ability to talk about actual issues facing actual people today, but within the context of the world the film inhabits. It's intelligently written and wonderfully fun, and I recommend you see it asap! Enjoy! :3c

Edit: Here's an important point about the film as described in the An Aesop entry on the TvTropes page: "Well-intentioned people can sometimes make mistakes out of ignorance. If you're the one offended, you should realize that they're doing their best and forgive them. If you're the one who made the mistake, learn, and don't stop trying."

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Keeran

8 years, 1 month ago

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Yeah, it rung out at me about the whole race issues to me. It actually did point out a solid fact that the tables can turn around and that you just gotta treat everyone with respect.

Kepora

8 years, 1 month ago

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@ Keeran

Basically a warning to SJWs. XD

chimangetsu

8 years, 1 month ago

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@ Kepora

Yeaah, no. I think you missed the mark there. Andre here hones on a major point here in his spoiler review. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya-8q5_QERs

Kepora

8 years, 1 month ago

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@ chimangetsu

I mean the tables being turned thing, the "oppressed" becoming oppressors and whatnot.

chimangetsu

8 years, 1 month ago

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@ Kepora

I know what you meant. That would be about intersectionality.

Kepora

8 years, 1 month ago

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@ chimangetsu

I've always wondered, what the fuck do people mean by "intersectional"? All I know is that it's a feminazi/SJW buzzword.

chimangetsu

8 years, 1 month ago

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@ Kepora

Give this a read: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Intersectionality

Kepora

8 years, 1 month ago

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"Intersectionality is a theoretical framework which describes how individuals and groups can experience oppression or privilege relative to one another, depending on their supposed position within various social categories, such as gender, ethnicity and sexuality"

...So, basically, SJW crap. Gotcha.

chimangetsu

8 years, 1 month ago

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@ Kepora

Yes, because acknowledging, say, problems with women's suffrage where women of color were all but ignored is SJW crap. Open your damn mind, you might learn somthing, but given your obstinance thus far, perhaps you won't.
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=intersec...

Kepora

8 years, 1 month ago

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@ chimangetsu

In non-first world countries? Of course, by all means. But any time I see people using terminology like this, it's for made-up bullshit, like saying that first-world countries like the US and England have a "rape culture ".

chimangetsu

8 years, 1 month ago

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@ Kepora

Women's sufferage as described above is in the context of first world countries. You're falling into the fallacy of relative privation (aka appeal to worse problems). Do you identify as an MRA? Because you sure love spouting their talking points. So full disclosure: I'm a straight male with an above average active sex life, and years ago, I was raped by a sexual partner. She stayed over in a different room and I woke up with her on top of me, pinning me to the bed. I've been told that men can't be raped by women, asked "But did you enjoy it?", told it wasn't rape because we had fucked before, etc. etc. Just because you don't understand the term and just because it overwhelmingly harms women more than men doesn't mean it doesn't exist. People deny systemic racism, police brutality, and the fucking holocaust, but it doesn't mean they don't exist, that it didn't happen. Just because something doesn't or hasn't affected you personally doesn't mean it isn't a part of others, affects others. You can say something doesn't exist because you have no dog in the fight, but it doesn't make you any less clueless.

Kepora

8 years, 1 month ago

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"	relative privation (aka appeal to worse problems)

No, I'm pointing at things that are actually problems.

"	Do you identify as an MRA?

Absolutely not.

"	Because you sure love spouting their talking points.

Perhaps they have valid talking points, then?

"	Just because you don't understand the term and just because it overwhelmingly harms women more than men doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

I'm not saying it doesn't exist. I'm saying that a rape culture doesn't exist, at leas tin first-world countries. If we lived in fucking Saudi Arabia, then you'd have an argument. Also, btw, according the most feminazis/SJWs, you can't be raped because you're a man.

"	People deny systemic racism,

Because it doesn't exist.

"	police brutality,

A problem, but one that's blown far out of proportion, and often only ever told from one point of view nowadays.

"	and the fucking holocaust

What the fuck does that have to do with any of this?

"	Just because something doesn't or hasn't affected you personally doesn't mean it isn't a part of others, affects others.

I'm not saying that. I'm saying that I'm skeptical because a lot of what they have to say is, quite frankly, bullshit, and I don't tolerate bullshit. If these bitches were to go to fucking Somalia and fight for women's right sto not have their fucking cunts carved out, then I could have some respect for them. But I'm not going to sit idly by and let people try to paint folks like you and I as "privileged" and "sexist" and whatnot by virtue of what we were fucking born as.

"	You can say something doesn't exist because you have no dog in the fight, but it doesn't make you any less clueless.

No, I can say these things don't exist (in FIRST WORLD COUNTRIES) because, simply put, they don't fucking exist.

"Systemic racism" falls flat on it's fucking face when you look at the motherfucking president of the motherfucking United States.

"Rape culture" falls flat on it's face when rape is, you know, a CRIME. A SEVERE CRIME at that. One that can get men fucking castrated. because, you know, mauling a woman's genitalia is a horrible thing, but it's totally fine to do it to guys.

And the "wage gap" myth. That has nothing to do with "sexism" or "patriarchy", and simply due to the fucking difference men and women tend to voluntarily make regarding their education and careers. It's as simple as that; nothing more, nothing less.

It isn't an "MRA" thing to point out fucking reality.

chimangetsu

8 years, 1 month ago

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@ Kepora

So sticking with relative privation even though you've clearly been told that you're propping up a fallacy as if it were a Trump card, eh? Not sure why I'm bothering with someone who already clearly knows all they want to know about sociology (i.e., nothing).

RedPiller, PUA, what's your poison?

Any valid talking points they have they don't actually have any interest in besides pointing out in earnest since shock of shocks, feminists are actively involved in improving rape classifications, draft challenges, and custody disparity.

Again, you are woefully limited on your sociological depth here, and still leaning on appeal to worse problems. A few things: 1) feminazi is a term coined by Rush Limbaugh, so unless you are a fan of his rhetoric, maybe stop pretending that that sort of strawman represents most feminists or your favorite snarl word SJW since acknowledging men as capable of being raped both and prison and in relationships has been a feminist led effort for years. Aaand go fuck yourself. Seriously.

You're an idiot.

Nope. Not much different than it ever was, now just actually paid attention to by more people than those directly affected.

Same people that deny the previous two tend to deny the holocaust in equal measure.

It's cute how you pretend that people can't concern themselves with a number of different issues and focus the "triage" with things they can actually effect. It's great to decry FGM, but are you fighting Boko Haram tooth to nail? No? Then shut the fuck up, because you're doing the same amount of not helping. Probably less. Privilege is about understanding unconscious and sometimes conscious biases people within and without your personal experience react and treat you. It's essentially empathy actuated, but to this extent, I don't know why I'm bothering; it's not as if anything I say will pierce your prejudices.

Was wondering when that was coming. Because the first half-white president is elected, racism magically disappears! How's the weather there in Bizarro-world?

Fun fact: the people who denied my experience wouldn't be caught dead calling themselves "feminist". I've met teenagers who families made them pariahs because they outed a family member or family friend who abused them and other children their age, denying their experiences in favor of protecting the molester. I know women who could point out their abusers but would lose friends in an attempt at getting justice for themselves, who have been ignored by police for not dressing or acting like how a victim should dress or act. Your reality is fucking warped if you can say you don't know a single persn who has experienced this in their life. Or maybe you've never asked. Or maybe they've never felt comfortable enough to share. I can't see you being all that supportive of their experiences, to be perfectly honest.

Except, you know, all the ways it isn't so simple: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gender_pay_gap

No, it certainly is not. It is an MRA thing, however, to deny the experiences of others as if anything on the anti-fem/SJW check list mentioned even tangentially is somehow emperically incorrect. Fuck, I must be a goddamn anomaly for that crowd.

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