Inkbunny

They said they don't normally take these actions against artists who just don't produce, and I've never seen them do it before, myself, but they suspect this was intentional, and they seem to have something behind that suspicion.

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At the same time don't you think that even if this artist is untrust worthy it's up to us the community to decide for ourselves about these matters and not the admins.In situations like artist beware related admins shouldn't dig their nose where it doesn't belong. Do they have the right to be suspicious yes they do but they shouldn't tell you because then that raises some eyebrows. I remember

RottenRobbie

I commissioned him a year ago in August for a pic of me and his character. It took his a year to do it and he never did it, so May 2014 I asked for a refund, I didn't get it til August, but you didn't see any admins going"Robbie is an untrust worthy artist you should be ware of him he's also being suspended for not being trust worthy with his commissioners etc. no they didn't do all that they just sat back and let the tide flow. So now all of the sudden they're taking action againt these artist they may be having a hard time and trying to get back to you but IB takes advantage of it and says their a bad guy I don't agree with how they can suddenly says someone is a bad guy, they may be going thru something and are unable to contact you but to just assume that someone if artist beware after 2-3 months and I waited 1 year for a pic is just uncanny. Everyone is entitled to their opinion don't get me wrong if you think he's untrust worthy go nut. My point is admins shouldn't stick their nose where it doesn't belong.

MystBunny

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To be perfectly honest, I had the same thought when they sent me the first message, but this really isn't about just an irresponsible artist. I don't know what evidence they have, but if evidence does indeed point to Swizzle purposefully taking money from IB users only to return to FA with no intention of completing those 30 commissions, that goes a bit beyond just unreliable. I'm not going to pretend I know for sure that they're right about this. I don't know what they know.

All I know is that my personal experience, the fact that Swizzle didn't post that same journal on IB, and that he claimed several times to have had some work done on the image, yet never once showed it to me, seems to suggest that they're right about this.

As for Robbie, from what you've told me, he seems too risky to commission myself, and it's certainly frustrating when someone keeps your money for so long without producing, but he did give it back, so it seems it wasn't a possible scam, just an artist being irresponsible.

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Oh no, it was a discount special all you had to do was commission a pic of your character and his for 1/2 the regular price *witch at the time was $85 but he told me to pay him $40* I waited and asked him about progress 3 months later he told me it's coming along but he was really busy. I thought nothing of it til it took another 6 months so I asked for a refund and he didn't return me right away but 3 months later in August he got back to me and I got my money. So I'm not sure what took him but all I know is he gave me a refund so he's semi trust worthy I guess. That doesn't affect me commissioning him in the future. I might if I'm able to get the money.

MystBunny

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Yeah I maybe would commission him if I didn't have such a low income, it's only that it's a bit higher of a risk for me than if I had more money.

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It's a good thing for College Rebate checks because I could use a portion of that money *in 2 months when I get paid* to fight between him and furry bob for commission. because their both kick ass goo dbut I dunno who I'd want first.

Skunket

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Is they site so they can stick the nose wherever they wants XD.

For the records, they have done this a few times, the first I remember was zeriara.

I feel bad another artist take money and run, if they have problems people always is on line to help.

MystBunny

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"	Is they site so they can stick the nose wherever they wants

Well I wouldn't quite go that far. If we apply that logic to IB's admins, then we'd have to say the same of FA's. I certainly don't think we're quite to that level yet though.

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Least their out front about it posting directly on the users page.

MystBunny

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@ Kiffin

Lest=Least?

Kiffin

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fixed thanks

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I don't think FA goes that far... that's probably the most positive thing I can say about them...

MystBunny

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Oh no, FA's admin just defends legit rape threats and admonishes people for speaking up against them, even after he's finally forced to take action =P
#notaboutzaush

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lol I forgot about that XD, then I guess they do 8P

MystBunny

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hehe X3

Skunket

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In order to maintain the order in a site sometimes people (admins) need to do things near the cliff. The big difference between here and FA is on FA admins don't really even care about people and they don't reply to any ticket, I'm still waiting to get a answer on mine... Maybe 3 years now.

I never though swizz was one of those. rotenrobbie, the vale, and a few more are of those artist with a bad past but they are trying to get in line.

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I shouldn't have mentioned him... he's actually not bad when it comes to commissions... just with mine and 2 others as I recall

MystBunny

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Ah, lemme clarify that. By "we" I meant IB. What I meant to say is that I don't believe IB's staff is overstepping NEARLY to the level of FA's, if they're truly overstepping here. I consider this a reasonable decision, if even a bit unusual. I've really only disagreed with three decisions (one rather intensely, involving fursuit submissions) by the IB staff so far.

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but not tell people who commissioned them :/ that's kinda defeats the purpose of an investigation and it's borderline wrong. It's up to us to determine if someone is trust worthy or not but it's up to the admins to enforce it if they find the acts are true. Not to go to every page and go "X artist is untrust worthy don't commission them"

Kiffin

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Unless like in this case they seem to have information that we do not. And are not slandering the artist by putting it out there, just informing them to get in touch with the artist on his journal.

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@ Kiffin

Well I haven't commissions him, so I wouldn't know what PMs people got but even if I we're one of the people who wanted a refund it's my decision not the admins to say he's untrustworthy. I'm starting to be convinced he may be because so many are coming forward but that's supposed to happen but not because the admins told you to.*also someone gave me a link to his journal so yes I read it already*

Kiffin

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Okie. won't argue. I think information is always good. The admins are people to. And so far no misinformation has been disseminated.

Klandagi

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And this is why I continue to say:

NEVER pay in full up front.

RepoFox

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@ Klandagi

Easier said than done.

Most of artists demands full payment upfront.
And if you dont pay full, you can just say goodbye for your commission slot.

Klandagi

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Easier done too. I just don't bother with such artists.

RepoFox

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@ Klandagi

So, it is like saying "never take any commissions" :P

Klandagi

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Please take your words out of my mouth.

MystBunny

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I never minded paying up front, I just don't like paying for a slot they might not get to for weeks or months.

edit: Unless of course I've gotten some commissions from them before.

Yusufa

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its sad to see this cause i used to be friends with him, and he was always pretty timely with getting things done when he could back then, granted this was 4-5 years ago. i do hope he can come around and fix these issues though

MystBunny

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@ Yusufa

So you've gotten commissions from Swizzle before with no problems? Was it on FA though?

Yusufa

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yeah, this was years ago when i first started on FA
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/4014826/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/4058376/
he would also stream quite often back then, i dont really know what happened but he slowed down and eventually stopped steaming and poofed now and then and we stopped talking

RepoFox

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Yeah my mate commissioned and paid a 3 character commission about 3-4 months ago.
He always got updates "your commission will be next!"

My mate never saw the commission, even tho he had made/uploaded dozens of art to his gallery after he said "I will make your commission next."

This "promises after promises" was going long time, until suddenly Swizzle totally stopped answering any messages.

MystBunny

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He told me those posts were old stuff he just never got around to posting before, but yeah, seems pretty similar.

RepoFox

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Well even when Swizz said that he will return back to FA, and promised to start making all owed commissions, still he have not posted any new art there for almost 2 months after saying that.

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