Inkbunny

No, I don't know where else to post

AutoSnep

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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Previously I'd recommend Telegram, but it's become a shitty place with random unpredictable censorship. 😟

AllTheFallen Booru seems to be the most popular AI-friendly and cub-friendly place currently. It hides furry porn by default, unfortunately (its primary focus is humans), but its audience is large enough that a lot of people add furry images to favorites. Other than that, there're rule 34 image boards like Rule34.xxx and the like, but they restrict content to rule 34, naturally.

JinxMcKenzie

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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maybe on a mega.nz link ? XD

torchlight

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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Hopefully the admins/mods will help you with what you have to do to get it fixed. I hate when people tell you there's a problem, but won't go into specifics.

Cayuse

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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@ torchlight

They did provide a rationale, it's just difficult because I thought I had met that criteria. The issue is going through *every* submission in my gallery to see what's wrong is a massive task I just don't have time for to be honest.

druge

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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I don't recall how you had prompt info posted. Did you have it posted in the description or in a txt file at the end? Also did they say exactly WHAT was missing from what was posted?

Cayuse

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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@ druge

Yes, I used txt files that included prompt details, the model used, LORAs, upscaling used, etc.

They said I was missing the original image for images that had inpainting workflows, and that I failed to list the generator used.

druge

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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So they want us to have the original image, with the errors that were fixed, if we use inpainting?

Cayuse

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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@ druge

Yes. My understanding is anything that is not the original txt2img has to have the original txt2img plus the img2img, plus information about what img2img was used and what inpainting was used.

I don't know why they've chosen to make it *easy* to upload txt2img slop and *difficult* to upload harder effort works...

Balmung

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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IB unfortunately invented their rules early on, back when txt2img was the predominant way of making stuff. So I believe that in order to find some sort of compromise and to keep the site from being overrun with junk, they decided the current rules would be a good compromise.

It means uploading AI isn't trivial, everyone is forced to share their tricks which hopefully pushes quality up, breaking the rule of not using LoRAs made on specific artists becomes obvious, etc.

I think that as a first approach it was actually quite clever. The problem is that the software improved, so the more control you apply, the harder it becomes to make a compliant post, ironically making low effort content far easier to submit. Inpainting is tricky, you could have 50 layers of it without much trouble.

Maybe one day somebody will make a tool that records every sequence of steps and just uploads all of that to IB. Or perhaps recording the process on video might be a viable option.

Cayuse

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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100% agreed. It seems low effort is a lot easier to upload, which... just doesn't make sense. Dang.

Ssurgul

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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Can I ask what tool you use for generation?

I had the identical problem with how ... let's call it "convoluted" to be polite, the posting regulations were. I'm using InvokeAI now, and that made posting the initial a super-easy breeze, that also kind of punishes the mods. When I load the workflow for each image (kept in the UI memory for each image generated) on the Workflow tab, I can just export the entire JSON to a text file and upload that. Now, I've not played with the Inpaint yet, so I don't know if it's the same capability of simply exporting all the JSON for each subordinate image, but I have high hopes.

scroumf

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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Yes IB's rules incentive low effort images.
And then people complain about AI slop.

AutoSnep

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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"	Inpainting is tricky, you could have 50 layers of it without much trouble.

I've made that claim myself in AI debates and I'm yet to see anyone on Inkbunny get anywhere close to that workflow. So not, it's not happening and it's a bad argument. 😐

"	Maybe one day somebody will make a tool that records every sequence of steps and just uploads all of that to IB.

You can see what happens with images requiring complex tooling in this submission, for example:

That's 3 original gens, 3 img2img inputs, 3 region segmentations, and a 1000-line long info file 😆: https://inkbunny.net/files/full/4936/4936655_AutoSnep_f...

What I'm doing is dumping metadata of all images I've generated using a tool I developed for this exact purpose. My workflow is built around Inkbunny restrictions, basically. When I use a file in editing, I put it alongside others so that info from it will be dumped when I'm generating the info file.

Balmung

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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AutoSnep wrote:

"	Inpainting is tricky, you could have 50 layers of it without much trouble.

I've made that claim myself in AI debates and I'm yet to see anyone on Inkbunny get anywhere close to that workflow. So not, it's not happening and it's a bad argument. 😐

What I was getting at is that it's very easy to build a huge stack of inpainting, masking, regional prompting, controlnet, and whatever else that would then near impossible to sort out for IB.

Of course IB posters aren't going to do it. To post here you have to approach the picture from the lens of "this is for IB" first of all. And for that it helps a lot to simplify the workflow as much as possible.

"	AutoSnep wrote:
	What I'm doing is dumping metadata of all images I've generated using a tool I developed for this exact purpose. My workflow is built around Inkbunny restrictions, basically. When I use a file in editing, I put it alongside others so that info from it will be dumped when I'm generating the info file.

My point exactly, you can't do whatever you feel like doing, you have to target IB specifically.

I also have to wonder whether you won't run into trouble here eventually. It's your tool so whoever is checking your post for rules compliance might not understand it, and be unable to reproduce your workflow.

AutoSnep

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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Edited 2 months, 4 weeks ago by Owner

From what I've heard, the author of the AI analysis tool added support for my metadata dump format specifically. 😆

UncleJock

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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Oh, that sucks. I really love your content :(

Cayuse

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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@ UncleJock

Yeah :(

I had a LOT of folks reach out enjoying my ABDL content and other themes. I'm kinda sad, I'm not sure what to do or where to go.

annoidBeing

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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Tantabus.ai

Cayuse

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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@ annoidBeing

I wish they allowed more than just MLP!

TravisCoon

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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Wish they left your pics up, sorry about what they did.

Cayuse

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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@ TravisCoon

I understand they have to enforce site rules, but I also don't understand how *every* image in my gallery - that I have been uploading AI images to for over a year - suddenly did not meet the rules :(

TheGamerPainter

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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This site is turning into e621 which denies ai art

Cayuse

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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@ TheGamerPainter

There is e6ai.net but they do not allow young or cub art.

Balmung

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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I vaguely recall an e6 style site with both AI and cub, unfortunately I can't seem to remember what it was.

Maybe somebody else knows

AutoSnep

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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AllTheFallen?

Balmung

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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Probably!

Dagnarus

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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They should have cited what rule you broke, in which case rectify those things if possible. They are generally pretty responsive, but will take down ALL your art as a safeguard till fixed.

Cayuse

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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@ Dagnarus

They sent me a message saying I was missing the original image for images that had inpainting workflows, and that I failed to list the generator used.

Dagnarus

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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Thats not too hard to fix,maybe a few hours of tweaking. Better than loosing it. Generator is inportant as it needs to be free source. Img to img to prevent art theft

GarryMouse

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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Edited 2 months, 4 weeks ago by Owner

Your options are:

Pixiv: [Pros] You can upload literally anything. [Cons] It must be censored.

Twitter/X: [Pros] Less discrimination against Ai art. [Cons] Ai art doesn't trend there, so you'll get less followers.

Telegram: [Pros] Can post any Ai art uncensored. [Cons] Automatic compression.

Not ALL your options but if you want to take your followers with you, these are your best bet. Anything else would be like starting over.

Cayuse

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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@ GarryMouse

Thank you so much!

AutoSnep

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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@ GarryMouse

"	Twitter/X: [Pros] Less discrimination against Ai art. [Cons] Ai art doesn't trend there, so you'll get less followers.

Doesn't twitter hand out bans randomly? Especially for AI-generated porn of underage characters.

"	Telegram: [Pros] Can post any Ai art uncensored. [Cons] Automatic compression.

No, you can't post uncensored on Telegram anymore. Quite a few channels and groups were banned.

And no, compression is irrelevant, you can always post images as files.

GarryMouse

2 months, 3 weeks ago

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For Twitter, yes but I assumed that they were not posting that type of Ai content.

For Telegram, in my experience, it is still holding strong. I am in many groups than have been running for years and the ones that do go down, already had a couple backup groups ready.

And yes, you are right about the compression, I was just letting them know that it does that by default. But yes, you can work around that.

AlexHusky47

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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atfbooru allows AI and cub

Cayuse

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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@ AlexHusky47

Good to know, thank you!

AutoSnep

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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@ AlexHusky47

If only it didn't have "furry" on default blacklist. 😟

JinxMcKenzie

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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how hard do you think it will be to fix the submissions ? i loved your gallery :0

Cayuse

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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@ JinxMcKenzie

It's impossible going back more than a few months if I need to find the original txt2img. :\

PawPatrolRecon3102

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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Do you still have all the posts saved somewhere, such as on your personal computer at least?

Cayuse

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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@ PawPatrolRecon3102

I do, I have the final versions that I've posted

JinxMcKenzie

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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you can upload them to e.g. mega.nz and post the archive link here in a new journal for everyone to see~ XD

MorisuZone

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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Sorry to hear about your gallery *hugs*

CamperJoe

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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Maybe on rule34.xxx. They allow ai and i think cub stuff too, but not sure abut that.

AutoSnep

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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@ CamperJoe

AI and cubs are allowed on Rule34.xxx, but it has a limitation which is its name. 😉

NaughtyNerd87

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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What a pain

Kalli9920

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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So what's the deal now? Do the inpainted pics need the prompt and data from the original AI pic? Or do you have to "make up" a new promt and metadata because "the data and the pic are not matching"
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These rules make no sense at all
No matter what you do, it's always wrong

Cayuse

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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@ Kalli9920

I'm not sure. Sometimes I spend hours and hours on one picture. I use Photoshop, I draw, I use img2img, I use InPainting. I thought my efforts produced beautiful generated images that people would enjoy. I don't know how to make my images comply with their rules, unfortunately.

Telain

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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@ Kalli9920

"	You must include the original input as part of the submission We don't require every subsequent hand-drawn input, but a viewer should understand how the end result was obtained through use of the tools

The originals are required, and if they're AI the generation information for them is required as well.

People also frequently leave out what tool they're using.

AutoSnep

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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@ Telain

"	People also frequently leave out what tool they're using.

How many of them provide metadata in the format of Automatic1111 SD WebUI and use something else?

druge

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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There are a few tools that output the meta data in the same or similar format as A1111. The main one being Forge Web-ui. Technically yes it is built on top of A1111 (I don't think it's a fork) but you do get slightly different outputs between them.

AutoSnep

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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@ druge

Original Forge contains too much code from A1111 to not be called a fork. 😁 And it did try to sync with major features of A1111 WebUI while both were active, afaik.

Also, not sure about other Forges, but Forge Neo I'm experimenting with now clearly states it's "neo" in metadata (which is problem by itself, as that overwrites precise version...).

DainenDog

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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Hey, that really sucks, and I can see how this kind of situation can get confusing fast, especially with AI uploads where a lot of the required info lives outside the image itself.

From what I remember of your workflow, you might be using Forge or another A1111-based setup. If that’s the case and you still have the original files saved in your txt2img-images folder, the information they’re asking for is already embedded in the images.

You can try dropping them into the PNG Info tab and extracting the metadata from there. That usually gives you everything the site needs and saves a lot of time compared to reconstructing things manually.

I really enjoy your work and hope you’re able to sort this out. Fingers crossed it ends up being easier than it looks right now.

Rimusk

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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I'm so sorry to hear this. You're creations are some of my favorites of all time on this site.

Stormfrost227

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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For archiving what you had u18 chan could work, don't use the site much but they have sections for cub, feral, and MLP

Ib is getting to the point now where jumping ship is the only rational choice, I understand that we need rules but with how it's been enforced as of late especially with 3d art it's just hurting artist more than anything. Loved your work and I hope to see it again regardless of where you decide to post

AutoSnep

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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@ Stormfrost227

"	Ib is getting to the point now where jumping ship is the only rational choice

Bold words. Inkbunny still remains the central place for cub porn. I'm not jumping any ships if that means being alone on a lifeboat in an open ocean. 😐

FurreyAI

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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I'm sorry, I too had many problems with a staff that was rigid towards AI.
The gallery was darkened just because a used model was no longer online (hey, as if it were my fault, but you know, I was wrong to do what? to warn in the description... absurd)

AutoSnep

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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@ FurreyAI

Huh. I've never accounted for that risk. The requirement to provide models indefinitely sounds close to impossible to follow. 🤔

What was the reason for models being removed, by the way? I know CivitAI is for some random reason against peeing and pooping, for example. 😟

FurreyAI

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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Many users have changed sites due to this decision and others have had their models removed because they had tags like

"	lolicon, shotacon, baby, baby bottles

AutoSnep

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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@ FurreyAI

Amusing, the reply button reappeared. 😁 Okay, back to the topic...

"	Many users have changed sites due to this decision and others have had their models removed because they had tags like lolicon, shotacon, baby, baby bottles

Where do people publish these LoRAs now? I've seen LoRAs for diapers in various levels of use on HuggingFace, among other things, but judging by discussions, the models aren't safe up there either.

FurreyAI

2 months, 3 weeks ago

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On hugginface, but it's not very practical, to see what a template is, you have to enter the page, it doesn't have previews
altri siti potrebbero essere:
- Diffusion Arc
- liblib.art (a sort of Chinese civitai, it seems like a good alternative to civitai but being only Chinese and having a registration via a Chinese phone number, it is practically confined there)
- Tensorart

and there are probably others that I don't know about, not counting Telegram and Discord. you understand well that you cannot keep track of all these sites to check if the model is online, but elsewhere, or offline because the author has removed it.

on this at least, the inkbunny staff should understand it and be less rigid towards those who use AI

AutoSnep

2 months, 3 weeks ago

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@ FurreyAI

Pity there's no central place for models disallowed on CivitAI. Diffusion Arc looks promising, but it's tiny and seems to be barely known. HuggingFace is inconvenient and unpredictable. TensorArt is anti-NSFW. Sad.

Checked out where folks from AllTheFallen publish their models. It's all over the place, with lots of stuff being shared via random file sharing services.

That's... not really compatible with Inkbunny's policies. 🤔

AutoSnep

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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Pity

FurreyAI

turned out to be a butthurt kid who got angry enough about his anti-right-click scripts getting bypassed to insta-ban me. Would have loved this conversation on AI to continue. Oh well.

FurreyAI

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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How can I have you banned if I read and write to you? You're just a liar, but that's okay

ezequiell

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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Sucks, please upload it somewhere else if you can, even if just a MEGA folder

Rimusk

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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Instead of punishing AI creators, I think Inkbunny should just make a new site and call it InkbunnyAI. That way people can go crazy with AI and those who never want to see it don't have to join. All this moderation and hiding of galleries really just takes away the fun of why we come here to just simply enjoy creations by others.

Rimusk

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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Also an idea, perhaps when you upload AI content, the site puts up a reminder screen and checklist the creator can check off before the upload proceeds.. ?

AutoSnep

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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@ Rimusk

From what I've heard, there aren't enough devs on Inkbunny team to implement even the basic extraction of metadata before removing it from the image — a feature that's been on the wish list for years at this point. 😟 Whatever tooling exists to analyze uploads is separate from Inkbunny itself.

AutoSnep

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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I'd like to try to help you with sorting this out. Can you forward me the mod messages? I have a dump of your gallery, but it's hard to figure out what's wrong with any of your submissions. Were new or old submissions found problematic?

The mods were developing a tool for automatic analysis of AI submissions, so I assumed this sort of shit isn't supposed to happen for old enough users, who you're, considering you've been active since 2024-09-26.

AutoSnep

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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"	and that I failed to list the generator used

That part is easy, just add "stable_diffusion" and "automatic1111" tags to all your submissions. This is frankly a pointless pedantic requirement as it's the default, it's what most people use, and it's trivial to guess from the version.

If you need help with tagging hundreds of submissions, I have a TamperMonkey userscript with this functionality, as I've had to deal with that bs before.

"	They said I was missing the original image for images that had inpainting workflows

That's more complicated... You're looking for info files with metadata having "Denoising strength" field, but where the first metadata without "Denoising strength" is incomplete (example: 3770680_5831043_Cayuse_ronnosub (Submissive Ronno).txt) or missing (example: 3770545_5830798_Cayuse_brothers (Brothers).txt).
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First, here's a list of submissions without any img2img and with complete metadata, so you can immediately restore them (after fixing tags):

3536954_5412884_Cayuse_kclient (Client's Preference).txt
3538469_5415700_Cayuse_sprompt (Keeping Warm).txt
3551155_5439643_Cayuse_gryphpresprompt (A Midnight Gift).txt
3562432_5460210_Cayuse_tulinprompt (Wet Bird).txt
3643048_5605812_Cayuse_brotherbears (Brother Bear Teaching).txt
3643788_5606955_Cayuse_satisfied (Satisfied).txt
3687106_5682233_Cayuse_raptorreproduction (Raptor Reproduction InfoSheet).txt
3695840_5697385_Cayuse_twilightpadding (Late Reading).txt
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Here's a file with img2img and complete original metadata, so you can immediately regenerate the original file and add it to the submission:

3687106_5682233_Cayuse_raptorreproduction (Raptor Reproduction InfoSheet).txt
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Analyzing other files...

AutoSnep

2 months, 4 weeks ago

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