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Roksim

May I ask advice for a weird feeling I get??

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Hi folks!

So, this is something of a weird thing to talk about, but I feel like I could really use advice from someone who may have a neutral perspective on this
Basically!!
Sometimes, I encounter people online, whether in Reddit comments or something, that are just... Horrible, and invasive, and just clearly so completely ego-fueled that it makes me angry and upset
And like, they're maybe trying to start an argument for some sort of awful philosophy thing or something, like, with someone, just throwing out a bunch of loaded questions and pretending like they have this "insight" that makes everyone else a sheep, and like "nobody has ever been able to logically present a compelling argument against my position" and stuff, you know, just a complete jerk

But, the problem with me is... Somehow, someway, I get really taken in by that
Like... I feel anger about that person asserting themselves and harassing others, like, a lot of anger
Especially if they're upvoted and are treated like they have something to say, maybe it's like a small community that's mostly composed of people like them, or maybe it just so happened that they got a couple of upvotes, and let's say they're at three upvotes
And I just get sooo insane over that!! Like, how could that be!! Eughh!! I feel like entering an argument with them pointing out how their whole "position" is fake, and they just fabricated it to egofarm and frontloaded it with strawman stuff to be "undefeatable", and it's always like, an "anti" position too, like, let's say FOR EXAMPLE "The Lord doesn't exist. All the evidence points to the Lord not existing. Do you know of X? Do you know of Y? Don't these things contradict each other? Concede now." like it's a debate, when THEY're the ones just flying up to people that don't know them at all

But then something else happens
Someone likes them, and they start chatting... And you see that the other person is maybe not crazy, or they don't sound crazy
And all of a sudden they're like, "oh cool cool! yeah that's cool haha" like they're normal people, and this guy is not an insane jerk
And it feels to me like... That's so gross
This guy just like, acts all friendly all of a sudden while just a second ago he was bullying another person into "conceding" for no reason

And what happens is... When I walk away, and try to like, do my own art, or enjoy my own experiences... I think of them acting all friendly, and I think: "they could be enjoying this exact thing I am doing right now, and also smiling and laughing and stuff"
And it just drives me crazy!! Like, I can't enjoy my stuff or my art on MY OWN in my own way
Like, it's kinda like self-judgement
"You have to concede that they can be enjoying this too, while being such an insane venomous person"
And the thing is, it's like
I don't want such awful people who make me swear outloud, I don't want them to be enjoying stuff like I do!!
I feel it takes a good person to enjoy stuff earnestly
And I don't want to imagine them having my own experiences like I do, it feels disgusting to picture
But there's something that wants me to do that... Like, it's some sort of self-judgement or something, like, something that shames me

And what that usually makes me do is go back and see how that person talks, again, to "prove to myself" that NO, they definitely ARE a turboa-hole! Like, oh my GOSH this person is such a douchebag!!!!!

But, that obviously exposes me to more stuff that makes me mad
And it's like a cycle
I walk away, I start getting zonked over this "oh, they're drinking hot cocoa right now having a ball while being SUCH a piece of crap!!", I go back and check and confirm that no, no, they're insane, they can't be having MY experiences
And get more mad seeing their new posts or something
And then again
And again

And it's like... I can't reclaim personal space from them, they're like, in my head
So, I wanted to ask you folks - what do you think is going on here?? Maybe you're familiar with the feeling, and you can tell me how you managed to get in tune with yourself and overcome it and be at peace?? It's almost like, I can't self-validate that "yes this person is a total awful f---ing a---hole, you don't need to even give them another thought, live your life", like, I start to judge myself, "heheheh they're probably not even as bad as you're making them out to be, it's YOU who is judgemental" and that obviously makes me want to go back and check their awful posts, and that makes me consume MORE of that vile energy they're obviously still exuding...

I don't really know how to work that feeling out
It's like a dark coal in my soul, it's smoldering up my focus and not releasing me
Any advice, folks?? If you can help me out with this, I will finish my game very quickly, because this feeling is like, a huge stopping point for my mental engagement with it (it actually only needs me to do a second pass on the dialogue, but to do that, I need to be locked in and with a clear head and heart and soul)! I am sure the answer lies somewhere outside this box... Like, a change of perspective or something

Thank you for reading, even if you don't really have much to say!!
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Added: 1 week, 4 days ago
 
Demesejha
1 week, 4 days ago
Oh no no, youre totally reasonable in these feelings. This is why i block people so often
DripTRat
1 week, 4 days ago
I have feelings akin to these all the time. Part of life and living in a world where we are all connected to each other via the internet is learning to deal with people of all types. Part of what helps me is realizing that this is the kind of reaction they want from you, to always be on your mind and to be an invasive voice in your head. They know they can't get people's care or attention through their own talents and efforts, so they do it through being an excessive douche bag. People are really social animals and they will look for the attention of others through any means possible, and they will see a large journal post like this one as validation "He's talking about me! I got to him!"

I find the best response is the old internet axiom "Don't feed the trolls" Some one saying things you don't like? Put them on block. They talk to you in a disrespectful manner? Treat them like they don't exist. Starve them of that attention they want from you. Naturally this strategy doesn't translate to IRL encounters, but on the internet, you don't need to acknowledge the existence of people who would harm you to get their fix.
Roksim
1 week, 4 days ago
Ohhh thank you very much for your response sir!! I like the thought "treat them like they don't exist"
Like, yeah, you're totally right, they actually want to induce that feeling that they "owned" someone, just any random person who might be seeing their posts randomly

It's not worth paying any attention to, people must earn other people's attention through actually wise words and good deeds, not through trying to force their way into my mind just to feel important
ShySketch
1 week, 4 days ago
sounds like anxiety caused by dehydration and hunger, perhaps exacerbated by stimulant (sugar) offset.  u gotta frontload the hydration and food to mitigate the offset.  It's easy to confuse these normal sensations (experienced suddenly due to the metabolism rate dropoff) for anxiety instead of dehydration and hunger.  Drink water.
Farrel
1 week, 4 days ago
The important thing to remember with the internet is that if something is upsetting you, step away.

The loss of your own mental well being is not worth any likely impact you will have by responding to it, and may just lead to folks sensing that you've taken a hit and seeing just what happens if they push harder.

Heck, that's pretty much what the term 'trolling' started out as.

A lot of folks hold unreasonable positions on some topics and are very lovely people in other aspects of their lives.. Let them be wrong on some things... If you're prepared for a debate, by all means voice an opinion, but be aware, that they may not be planning a debate so much as an excrement flinging session...

A lot of online discussion is just the worst, too... Sometimes it's just folks having fun blowing off steam and goofing around, and sometimes it's just genuinely someone being crappy to someone else... Again, try to limit the amount of your brain power that's taken up by stuff that's not worth reading.

If someone else is upset by them? Advise them the same... If something is not worth the energy to take to read? Consider not reading... If something is clearly wrong, sometimes it's just simpler to let someone be wrong and move on... People are allowed to be wrong.

This includes you... Don't let folks make you feel bad about the things you enjoy... If you can objectively look at something you enjoy and see that it's wrong? Well, you can either address that, or accept that.. "Yup, I'm wrong in this." And accept that... and move on.

You don't have to fix the world... Sometimes the fix will cause more damage than the problem does... And you're allowed to just look at something, think "welp, that's a whole steaming pile." and just let someone else go find a shovel.

In short, the world and people in it can be poopy... And sometimes you just gotta accept that they're gonna do that than get yourself all messy trying to clean them up.

If anything here helped? Great :) If not, feel free to hide lego in my shoes sometime.
Roksim
1 week, 3 days ago
Ohh, awww
That's very thoughtful of you, thank you very much
You're genuinely so right, like, I should allow people to be wrong, even if it is about a touchy subject for me
The only way to help someone is if they want help, right? If they don't, then that's just not going to work, and it is okay
BiteSizedCookie
1 week, 4 days ago
I think solitude may be a good answer.

Take care of yourself.
You won't put your hand into the public toilet full of poo because you care about your health and it is just disgusting.
Being mad about the poo won't make it any better.
It's the same for the internet. Avoid stuff that makes you sick.

Enjoy yourself
When you are alone, don't waste your energy on bad thoughts (I know it’s hard; it takes practice and patience).
Be there for yourself. Savor your treats and truly enjoy your rest by actually resting.
Eat healty food and drink enough water.
Roksim
1 week, 3 days ago
That's so normal and wise!! Oh, and also hanging out with friends is good too!!
BiteSizedCookie
1 week, 3 days ago
I mean, if you need to be with friends to feel good (extroverted), you'll still have the problem of thinking bad stuff when you are alone.
I had an extroverted friend that needed to be alone in far, far away for months 'cause of his job. He almost went nuts xD
axlegear
1 week, 4 days ago
Can confirm, people do in fact suck.
Stitcharoo
1 week, 4 days ago
Oooof. That super sucks. People can be such douche bags :( sorry you gotta deal with that noise. Though do keep up the fantastic work you like doing. Love seeing your creative stuffs!
LoZeed
1 week, 4 days ago
This occasionally happens to me, my personal trick is to care less about ego driven shutins online.
Don't let some weirdo live rent free in your head, leave them to rot in their toxic echo chambers.
lock444
1 week, 4 days ago
i find that its helpful when you do meet someone toxic to stop engaging with them but then talk about it with your friends who understand the toxic behavior. laugh with them about it as you vent but try not to engage with people whos only goal is to get a negative reaction out of you for their own fun.
DownThePipes
1 week, 4 days ago
I go through similar feelings all the time and its not a fun experience
Issarlk
1 week, 4 days ago
People are people. They feel, have fun, are sad sometime. No reason to be stressed at the idea that they are not monster somehow.

They don't agree with you and are pushy about it ? Well, maybe they mean well ?
I see it plenty on internet ; people argue on subjects, and guess what ? Both sides believe to be in the truth and be "the good guys". The truth is the result of looking at reality with our personnal "reading grid", there are different "truth".
Let's give an example: A saboteur making a bridge blow up in a country occupied by a foreign army to make it hard for them. It's a "freedom fighter" for the inhabitant, but it's a "terrorist" for the occupying army ; both are true in their point of view.

Of course there are also trolls who don't believe what they say and are out to get strong reactions from people. But even trolls are people who can be nice the rest of the time, I don't see a problem with that. Nobody's perfect, some are mean, others are spineless, others cowards or perverted, so what ?
You mention "the Lord" (assuming it's Jesus) in your journal, well he said to love your enemies ; and that's a good advice, removes plenty of stress.
I hope you'll get rid of that slight problem that seems to torment you ^^
worstofbest
1 week, 4 days ago
It sounds like you're struggling from feelings of resentment—which, as the saying goes, is like drinking poison in the hope that the other person suffers. It's certainly frustrating when people argue in bad faith, especially when they assert their views in an arrogant and condescending manner. At the same time, that kind of person is unlikely to convince anyone or be convinced by anyone. From what you've said, resenting them has just been a distraction from more important matters like your game.

You've identified the harm this resentment causes to your mental health and, by extension, your work. Though I'd like to be friends because I have great respect for you and your body of work, the truth is that I don't know you that well—I doubt many in the comments here do. So, we're unlikely to know what, specifically, you need to break out of this pattern.

If you have close friends or family you feel comfortable speaking with, I recommend discussing it with them further if you haven't already. If the alternative's available, you could try voicing this frustration to a therapist or other mental health professional, who could give you more specific advice. Other commenters have pointed out that this is a common frustration for netizens (I've felt it, too), but it's not usually one that's as so aggravating as to disrupt your daily life.

I can also speak briefly about what has helped me: I eventually found it in my heart to forgive people who are wrong, even people who are wrong on purpose. I avoid engaging with them more than I have to. Instead, I search for the beauty in my friends and the world around me, and I feel grateful for the good things in my life. I grow plants, I cook soup and make candy, and I volunteer at an animal shelter. Filling my life with joy helped me weather the tides of frustration when they do come in.

In any case, I appreciate your transparency and openness. I'm certain you'll find a way out of this. Best wishes, Roksim.
HiddenLurk3r
1 week, 4 days ago
From my perspective, the heart of your problem is the dwelling on these people. 'Just ignoring them' is probably still the best option, frustrating as that is, since trolls thrive on attention to fill their empty little lives. Saying that feels unfulfilling though, doesn't it? So before you redound to that, my recommendation is to brainstorm what you _can do_ to them first.

Are they on a platform where you can speak with their friends/ family about what a jerk they're being? Are they on a platform with meaningful moderation who could possibly confront them for you if they're being a bully (and not just disagreeing)? Can you reverse engineer their address and mail them an envelope full of glitter? And on top of just ignoring them, can you ban/block/mute them?

Hopefully, after you've explored a few avenues of action, cutting them off will feel more like a capstone on that effort, rather than an admitting a loss, even if none of those actions are successful.

Good Hunting
Filthivore
1 week, 3 days ago
I used to be the same way, feeling the need to respond to everyone that rage baits, at a certain point you start to realize it’s futile to argue with those people. Often times they’re spineless and are only looking for the attention. Other times they’re bots, not even real people. I just block annoying people now.
billmurray
1 week, 2 days ago
there are people who can mask being toxic about something and then there are some people whose mindfulness just goes somewhere else for a while and they don't realize or don't care how the way they carry themselves affects people.  To me, I notice a lot of toxicity from a large number of people and it used to bother me a lot that there were a good number of people "getting along" and using the language of safety and inclusion all the time but still picking "acceptable targets" to just go ham on in a way that it makes it clear they'd do to anyone if it were socially acceptable.

" To be able to destroy with good conscience, to be able to behave badly and call your bad behaviour “righteous indignation” — this is the height of psychological luxury, the most delicious of moral treats.
  -Aldous Huxley

The best thing to do is to not let these people occupy mental real estate, and if they start acting toxic, to disengage. What people want from these things is kudos and attention.  And on Reddit specifically, they want the 'updoots'.  Not engaging in it deprives these people of that.  

Edit:  Sometimes, the most infuriating thing for a person who wants to bait you with bad karma is to acknowledge what they are saying tersely and leaving it at that, without conceding anything.  "Okay?"  "Whatever you say." "If you say so" -- these phrases might sound like you're conceding the argument, but if you do it in a way where it's pretty obvious that what you are actually doing is not taking their argument seriously enough to continue lending them your ear, they will sometimes continue to blather on without any further input until they make themselves look foolish.  Either way, if it's out of your mind (because you're not interested anymore), you just squeezed more out of them than they managed to squeeze out of you.
hexahecta
1 week, 1 day ago
i suppose i just understand that humans have been chaotic for a long time and these biases do still bubble up from time to time, it's probably best to tune them out since those kinds of people would only be one piece of the puzzle to any subject but it can also take some understanding that they aren't the only people who can realize the ideas close to you, there are many others who would be more understanding and to what information you give them rather than people who only really seek to confirm what they already know,
and also it's probably best to quit reddit, there is much anger out there and reddit might be useful at times but i don't think other sites really capture anger in the same way does, especially not with something like the character limits of twitter and bluesky, a discord community would be much easier to cultivate with who you choose to speak to even if it has it's own ups and downs
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