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Well seeing as there are artists' stuff being removed what do you have to say about that? I have a hard time trusting you as two 2D artists have decided to bounce.

Kadm

4 months, 2 weeks ago

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Inkbunny does not generally delete submissions outright unless they are completely inappropriate for the site. What we do is lock submissions and give the user the opportunity to correct what is deficient and then we unlock the submission. For some 3D users, all they need to do is update the submissions to meet the new attribution requirements, and the submissions can be unlocked. There will definitely be some submissions that are still out of scope for Inkbunny, but those would have been against the rules before anyway. They basically existed flying under the radar because 3D works don't get that much viewership or exposure.

It's my hope that feedback from those impacted and data from the new attribution requirements will allow us to craft rules that help include some of what is currently being removed. There is definitely still going to be some impact, as there are some things that we're not interested in being here, that have always been against the rules, even if that was unclear for end users.

Neos8

4 months, 2 weeks ago

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"Inkbunny does not generally delete submissions outright unless they are completely inappropriate for the site. What we do is lock submissions and give the user the opportunity to correct what is deficient and then we unlock the submission"

Ok and have you talked to them about what is wrong or waiting until the person realizes and THEN talk to them about it? Is there a note explaining what is wrong?

"There will definitely be some submissions that are still out of scope for Inkbunny, but those would have been against the rules before anyway. They basically existed flying under the radar because 3D works don't get that much viewership or exposure."

And what do you mean they were against the rules anyway? Also what does it matter if they aren't given much exposure? Those that follow will surely notice and seeing them locked isn't helping that "exposure"

And this "Attributed Requirement" is what exactly?

And is AI getting the same treatment?

Reading what you are saying is being vague in my perspective and your "hope" doesn't give me anything reassuring as you think its being. And why is it only you thats responding? Where are the other admins? Do they not care?

Kadm

4 months, 2 weeks ago

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"	Ok and have you talked to them about what is wrong or waiting until the person realizes and THEN talk to them about it? Is there a note explaining what is wrong?

When we lock something, we give the user a notice as to why it was locked, and what they need to do to correct it. A number of 3D users have chosen to simply leave rather than follow the requirements.

"	And what do you mean they were against the rules anyway? Also what does it matter if they aren't given much exposure? Those that follow will surely notice and seeing them locked isn't helping that "exposure"

I mean exactly what I said in the first post. SFM/Blender content using third-party models that were not made by you or specifically for you has always been against the rules on Inkbunny. We have not allowed that content. The new rules actually loosen that a little bit and allow you to use them in conjunction with models that you've done work to, but before that, the content was simply not allowed.

"	And this "Attributed Requirement" is what exactly?

The new rules, the changes, and everything else were detailed in a Site News item. https://inkbunny.net/j/579097 All members that are opted in for site news receive an email when we publish it.

"	And is AI getting the same treatment?

AI works already have significant attribution and documentation requirements for each submission.

"	Reading what you are saying is being vague in my perspective and your "hope" doesn't give me anything reassuring as you think its being. And why is it only you thats responding? Where are the other admins? Do they not care?

You can see on the discussion on the News item that several staff members have been actively discussing this with users. I am probably the only person responding to your journal because I just happened to notice it. You posted it less than an hour ago, did you expect a swarm of staff members?

Neos8

4 months, 2 weeks ago

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To be fair, I just wanted to express how the site has become in my time of being here. It seemed great and welcoming, but only when AI slowly came to be here I noticed the cracks that formed. Seeing artists leave cause of it and then the 3D stuff just made it more and more noticeable. No I shouldn't expect any admins if I am honest.

Kadm

4 months, 2 weeks ago

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And personally, I think the reaction to AI is overblown. AI submission are generally less than 10% per day of submissions (in the last 3 days there were 119 AI submissions vs 1925 submissions total). It's not a flood. It's unlikely to ever overtake traditional art on Inkbunny. It's extremely restricted.

And we don't make decisions based on whether or not they'll be popular. If we did things would probably be a lot different, and noticeably worse in my opinion. Half the content we host is not 'popular' to most people. So we look at what the site was made for an what we intended when we made it, and try to hew as closely to that as we can.

I'm personally pretty distressed at how much pushback we've gotten from 3D creators even on basic attribution. I feel like crediting and acknowledging the people who made what you're working with is the bare minimum. I can understand some people being upset at the model requirements, but I thought the attribution requirements were extremely reasonable.

axlegear

4 months, 2 weeks ago

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I feel like this journal is getting out of control.

Bachri

4 months, 1 week ago

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"	When we lock something, we give the user a notice as to why it was locked, and what they need to do to correct it. A number of 3D users have chosen to simply leave rather than follow the requirements.

No you fucking don't, liar. I never got any remedy in my notice when my entire gallery was locked earlier this year.

Inkbunny Support Team
30 Apr 2025 11:23 PDT
Acceptable Content Policy Violation - Screenshots
Your 3d renders have been removed due to violating the Acceptable Content Policy regarding screenshots.

No screenshots from games or other software unless they show your own artwork or creations. Your creations in the screenshot must be original and not just modifications of standard avatars, models, templates, etc that come with the software or that you purchased from other creators.

If you have any questions please reply below.

Thank you.

Kadm

4 months, 1 week ago

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At the time the policy offered no remedy for your submissions. They were simply not allowed at all. In cases where there is no cure for a submission, we generally don't offer that. Do note that we paused enforcement of the policy after interacting with you, and restored your entire gallery for you. You made the choice to keep it hidden (and then eventually delete it yourself). Your works were explicitly a part of the discussion and in the scope of things we were looking to allow.

Bachri

4 months, 1 week ago

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"	At the time the policy offered no remedy for your submissions. They were simply not allowed at all.

Yes they were, liar. The screenshots policy does not cover 3D renders, for they are not screenshots. You can make the false claim all day that they fell under the policy; they did not.

"	In cases where there is no cure for a submission, we generally don't offer that.

So don't lie by saying that you offer cures. Because we all know there is no cure for the new policies. "You made everything in the piece or it's deleted."

"	Do note that we paused enforcement of the policy after interacting with you, and restored your entire gallery for you.

And then your overlord did this: https://gyazo.com/ab784dc1684edfd21492e9c3e90f2a0e
So honestly you can all kick dirt.

"	You made the choice to keep it hidden (and then eventually delete it yourself).

You're talking like this is some sort of secret. My actions and reasoning are sitting right there on my userpage, dude, the last two Journals I ever made. This is hardly the 'gotcha' you think it is.

"	Your works were explicitly a part of the discussion and in the scope of things we were looking to allow.

So when was I part of that discussion? You talked over my works on how best to suppress them, but it never occurred to you to get any input on how suppressing them might work out when you rolled those same suppressions to the rest of the community? Very smart.

Neos8

4 months, 1 week ago

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Geeze thats crazy he thinks 3D art is messing with sliders. I barely touch 3D and I know there is more work put into em.

Bachri

4 months, 1 week ago

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I can provide the conversation where that happened if you'd like. It's long and detailed and shows that the staff were WELL AWARE of the backlash that would come from all of this.

Neos8

4 months, 1 week ago

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Sure send it to me please.

Bachri

4 months, 1 week ago

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https://inkbunny.net/j/556551-LITTLEFisky--urgent-inkbu...

It all gets crazy a little later on.

Neos8

4 months, 1 week ago

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Damn I can see it even before reading. Its pretty sad honestly cause this could be possibly solved if the admins just allow both than all the red tape for 3d

Kadm

4 months, 1 week ago

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"	Yes they were, liar. The screenshots policy does not cover 3D renders, for they are not screenshots. You can make the false claim all day that they fell under the policy; they did not.

Ultimately as the ones enforcing the policy, we get to decide that. It doesn't matter how often you repeat 'but it doesn't apply'.

"	So when was I part of that discussion? You talked over my works on how best to suppress them, but it never occurred to you to get any input on how suppressing them might work out when you rolled those same suppressions to the rest of the community? Very smart.

Your works were a part of the discussion. You were not. I was under the impression you would not be active here, and even if you were, you don't seem like the sort of person to provide reasonable feedback or have a discussion unless everything goes your way.

Bachri

4 months, 1 week ago

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"	Ultimately as the ones enforcing the policy, we get to decide that. It doesn't matter how often you repeat 'but it doesn't apply'.

Your policy only applies in so much that it is policy. Policy cannot mean what it does not say. To willfully misinterpret policy, as an enforcer of policy, amounts to arbitrary enforcement, which has no legitimacy.

"	Your works were a part of the discussion. You were not. I was under the impression you would not be active here, and even if you were, you don't seem like the sort of person to provide reasonable feedback or have a discussion unless everything goes your way.

https://inkbunny.net/j/556551-LITTLEFisky--urgent-inkbu...
https://inkbunny.net/j/556551-LITTLEFisky--urgent-inkbu...

I certainly have tried to have a reasonable discussion, granted that having eight years of effort removed out of the blue with no warning, no remedy and no way to do a thing about it might have put me just a little bit on edge, I get the sense that anyone would be put on edge by that. But you've shown that reason is ineffective. I may be capable of reason, but I'm also capable of disengaging from reason when I am forced to. You and your team have forced me to.

Screenshots
No screenshots from games or other software unless they show your own artwork or creations. Your creations in the screenshot must be original and not just modifications of standard avatars, models, templates, etc that come with the software or that you purchased from other creators.

No frames or segments (or portions of those) from movies, animations, TV shows, etc that you don't own copyright to.

This is the original Screenshots policy, the one that I followed to the letter. Say it with me now:

3D RENDERS. ARE. NOT. SCREENSHOTS.
A render is not something you hit "print screen" on. It takes hours to compile. It is a generated image, explicitly not a screenshot. It does not fall under this policy, it never did. Enforcement of it, as such, was arbitrary, inaccurate, invalid.

You enacted false enforcement on me. No appeal. No ability to discuss. Not until someone else got involved and lit a beacon on the issue, and your only response was doubling down, misrepresenting policy, and insults.

All I had to work with was what your staff told me, that my eight years of learning, growth, and practice “amounted to moving some sliders” and therefore “meant nothing.” That was the message you sent. So what exactly was I to think when my gallery is suddenly back? With no notice? Not a word of why? Had I been told why it was reinstated, that you'd all retroactively decided that it suddenly wasn't against the rules anymore, maybe it would have gone differently. But no.

No, you all know what you're doing. You weaponize silence, turn lack of communication into a tool to gaslight us. You publicly claim to offer remedies while privately denying them to the people directly harmed. You lie by saying 3D art is banned under an unrelated policy. That's why you didn't make any effort to reach out. You know I'm right, and you can't bear to show any hint that might validate it.

So lets add it up, what you and the staff have done to me:

You nuked my gallery, citing an invalid policy.
You left no room for appeal.
You left no way to fix it.
You ignored my attempts to reason it out.
You doubled down on invalid policy, lying to me and many others.
You insulted me and every 3D artist.
You were told by dozens how wrong you all are.
You went ahead with all of this anyway because you don't care what anyone else thinks.
And now here you are seven months later codifying the thing everybody hates.

If this still isn't getting through: You started this.
You turned a longtime contributor into someone who no longer sees any legitimacy in your authority.
And it's delusional to pretend I'm the unreasonable one here.

Kadm

4 months, 1 week ago

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I'm not gonna sit and write a lot for you at this point, but continuing to be indignant over the fact that the policy was called screenshots is going to do nothing at this stage. It's not covered by that anymore. The policy is clearer, and you can hate it, but the ambiguity was a big part of what we disliked.

The fact of the matter is that we are crafting and expanding policy going forward, and I've got a lot less time for people who just want to rehash their old grievances. If you want to keep finding my comments and complaining, that's fine, but we're going to move on regardless. There are 30000+ users daily on the site, and plenty that have reached out to be productive and improve things rather than just grouse.

Bachri

4 months, 1 week ago

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Let's keep it short then, since you need to get back to nuking more galleries, even though you all sure took your time fixing the issue. Just being another way to gaslight, of course- "look how long ago this happened and he's still mad lol." Disregarding the fact that dismissing a legitimate problem as "rehashing old grievances" while refusing to explain anything. Classic abuse of power. Policy is meaningless when it can be applied or ignored at a whim.

Whatever man. Go blast some more 3D artists and show how unwelcome we are. Just stop lying to people or I'll keep having to highlight it for them so they aren't blindsided like you tried to do here.

Kadm

4 months, 1 week ago

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We fixed your problem. We restored your gallery. Your hurt about the opinions of some of the staff are not something that Inkbunny as a site needs to fix. You have repeatedly lied about the situation and misrepresented it, and at every avenue that we have offered you an offramp, you have chosen not to take it.

Bachri

4 months, 1 week ago

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You have fixed no problem relating to me. And yes indeed, you did restore my gallery. I've never said that you did not; on the contrary I've made it perfectly clear that I hid the gallery again afterwards. Again, this is not a secret. Need I repeat myself?

https://inkbunny.net/j/580056#commentid_2884706

"	You're talking like this is some sort of secret. My actions and reasoning are sitting right there on my userpage, dude, the last two Journals I ever made. This is hardly the 'gotcha' you think it is.

In fact, here's the journals in question:
https://inkbunny.net/j/556683-Bachri-theyve-restored-my...
https://inkbunny.net/j/558658-Bachri-my-final-activity-...

And just for the sake of transparency, here's the reasoning from the second journal, noting that absolutely no explanation was given for the gallery restoration:

"	After some time, my gallery was restored. I allowed it to remain for a short period of a matter of hours, then set everything to Hidden, deciding that the insult was enough that I don't want my artworks to be visible here. As such, I made it clear that I am putting it elsewhere.

Again, given absolutely no context for the restoration, having just been wildly insulted by your overlord, what am I supposed to make of it? A joke, perhaps? "You raised enough of a stink that we'll give you this paltry consolation prize, but you're still at risk?" You didn't fix anything. You weaponize silence and bad communication. You've certainly never offered me any offramps, none that I can see.

https://uploadf.com/s/enfshw7new8y3firt6nkw2dynr37qtzev...
https://uploadf.com/s/enosrjpulugo3gs5aufaakpj2wj3rj8yq...

Where's the offramp?

But since you're willing to call me a liar, I challenge you to point out my lie. I've already pointed out yours; you go ahead and tell me what I've lied about. Because I really don't think I have.

Kadm

4 months, 1 week ago

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https://inkbunny.net/j/579097#commentid_2881999

You deleted your gallery after I locked a submission so that you could test for yourself if you could edit. You saying you could not edit is a lie. The code has never prevented editing a locked submission.

Bachri

4 months, 1 week ago

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I deleted my gallery so that you could not further weaponize it against me, yes. And it remains true that I could not edit my submissions at the time. Can I prove this? Of course not, I had no way of knowing you were all this malicious back then, so I didn't have the foresight to try to prove a negative that I'd never again have access to; it wasn't relevant at that time seven months ago. Something interesting though, at the time I was able to see my own submissions, that they were locked, and that they could not be changed. Though, differently, they were marked with a blue symbol. When you locked that one submission, it had an orange symbol. Which is what leads me to my response, telling you that your myriad tools would not be used to gaslight me. Because I know you did something different.

Kadm

4 months, 1 week ago

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In June this year we made a minor change to the gallery display page so that hidden and locked submissions would display differently than submissions that were just hidden (the orange icon). That was the only change to locked submissions in the last decade.

Bachri

4 months, 1 week ago

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Convenient.

Bitcoon

4 months, 2 weeks ago

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I treat AI "art" as image searching. What you get isn't yours, you didn't make it, and frankly it has no place on an art site, period. It would be akin to snatching up someone else's post from Deviantart that popped up on your Google search and posting it like it was yours.

These people should have their spaces to share the stuff they "find" via AI prompts and some degree of AI assistance should be allowed if most of the work was actually done by an artist, but I find generated content to be very distasteful when placed next to real artist's work. And seeing that IB actually has rules in place to limit image spam from Gmod and 3d renders from a million angles which leaned too far into harsh disallowances, it only makes their "anything goes" attitude toward allowing AI slop spam to cover up the work of real artists an even bigger hypocrisy.

Frankly, I expect the worst from this site these days. There's a good reason I have left IB behind as a place to post. They have done a piss-poor job managing the responsibility of a platform allowing the taboo content that other sites banned, allowing years and years of open MAP pride to fester into an unstoppable force infesting so much of its audience, and the staff has deliberately decided to play hands-off with nazis and fascism on this site as well. A lot of people, marginalized people especially, do not feel safe here. I fully blame the staff for cultivating a community where two of the most vile beliefs a person can hold get to feel like they've found their people, and it's on the rest of us to live and let live while sitting at the same table.

Neos8

4 months, 2 weeks ago

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@ Bitcoon

I have only heard about the illegal content via word of mouth and never heard of the pride stuff after that pic tayferret did so i didn't hear much of that so that is concerning if its still happening.

Also i have not seen anything anywhere that showed nazism or facism. Im not sure what to tell you on that one as i not seen it.

Bitcoon

4 months, 2 weeks ago

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