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SoulCentinel

Payment system help

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Nothing works.
Paypal, Stripe, Skill, Wave, Wise, Payoneer, Noda etc.
Many of them require info down to my house address. Or require a business to already be set up with information such as a website, references, and a verified national business ID.

Has anyone got any suggestions here? I have tried maybe, 18 of the current suggested ones.
It feels like I am going insane.
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Kamoto
Kamoto
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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Unfortunately, the only one I've tried that seems to not require any personal info outside of just a name is CashApp and it's... kinda sketchy.
ElinQuinn
ElinQuinn
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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Clara uses cashapp, it’s not tooooo bad but yeah definitely feels sketchy sometimes.
DrKow
DrKow
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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Edited 1 month, 2 weeks ago by Owner
One of the problems with CashApp and Venmo is availability, they are only available in the USA and Venmo, USA+UK
If you live in Latin America, the EU, or Asia, you cannot  create an account or send payments since they are designed for payments/transfers from the same country
Kamoto
Kamoto
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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Yeah... unfortunately.
JinTheWei
JinTheWei
1 month, 1 week ago
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Unless if you have a VPN...
DrKow
DrKow
1 month, 1 week ago
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Edited 1 month, 1 week ago by Owner
that's not how it works, you need a valid SSN or a valid US ID + US Bank account
BrithanyBabyfur
BrithanyBabyfur
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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Paypal played a trick on me by permanently limiting my Paypal accounts and now I only have AirTM, Skrill, and Payoneer as commission payment methods. It turns out that those who asked me for commissions have a hard time using these other commission payment methods
Sloss
Sloss
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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I'm talking out of my ass, but can people buy prepaid cards (debit, credit, or store) and give you the account number/pin/redemption code?
Pain the asset to get the money back out into your account/hands, but it's what my brain came up with.
Pain for the customer too..-
Mixterious
Mixterious
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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Artisttree with a sfw account and you can slide your nsfw as sfw under the table
thecooler
thecooler
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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that is odd Paypal never requested me any thing than my Email to open an account with them, how ever they do request me to have a bank account in dollars on the US bank in order to "deposit money there" so I could make them chash but with All now been sold online I don't really use it in cash at all.
SoulCentinel
SoulCentinel
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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paypal banned us.
thecooler
thecooler
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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ugh!!..forgot about that... Fucking Politics!! seriously!
VinaginCain
VinaginCain
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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Idiots on Twitter crashed out on some Helluva Boss art.
GeminiRabbit
GeminiRabbit
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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Cashapp is a good option, i use it alot and to me it seems to works well enough.
SoulCentinel
SoulCentinel
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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Does it work outside of the US?
GeminiRabbit
GeminiRabbit
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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That i am unsure of, im sorry. ^^*
Masterofall
Masterofall
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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I would assume so since they sponsor an Italy base racing team in Formula one, and it's run by Visa, there's that.
SoulCentinel
SoulCentinel
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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They backed out of the UK/EU to focus on the USA apparently.
Masterofall
Masterofall
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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jeez
e254e
e254e
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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Airtm is another option,or crypto too
Dave2
Dave2
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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Could try hipolink.net
SoulCentinel
SoulCentinel
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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It might work.
Still requires confirmation of my home address, a passport or national ID and a verified social media account.
NyotaMwuaji
NyotaMwuaji
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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What about that buy a coffee thing?
SoulCentinel
SoulCentinel
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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ko-fi and the like use other systems like paypal for payments.
NyotaMwuaji
NyotaMwuaji
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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Oh. I thought they just accepted payment from them but was like, a separate entity.
Um...I guess venmo?
Olly
Olly
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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Venmo is owned by PayPal, sadly
NyotaMwuaji
NyotaMwuaji
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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Well frell
YunLang
YunLang
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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you try revolut?
Yury
Yury
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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Amazone Giftcard maybe ?
SoulCentinel
SoulCentinel
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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how would that work?
bobbypillz
bobbypillz
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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" SoulCentinel wrote:
how would that work?


buy some stuffs and sell it for some cash on facebook marketplace?
Yury
Yury
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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I mean you can buy gift cards and send them over to an email address Amazone acc than you got the money on Amazone , but if you don’t buy stuff there it might not work .
SoulCentinel
SoulCentinel
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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Can't pay bills with amazon I'm afraid.
Yury
Yury
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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Yeah sorry was just an idea
ArielCelestia
ArielCelestia
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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Utterly sketchy!
ArielCelestia
ArielCelestia
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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Try Bitcoin, or other well-established, safe and secure cryptocurrencies. Perhaps some Stablecoins.
SoulCentinel
SoulCentinel
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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Few people can pay with that.
And I don't understand a single system on how to use, store or covert to money.
TribalDragon
TribalDragon
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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that's how financial world works everywhere, you won't find a single platform that asks for taxing details. It's just how it works. To prevent money laundering, tax evasion and all that shit.
The only absolutely sanitized way is that you ask people to mail cash directly to a PO box under a fake name, sounds stupid right? And there's no way you can force everyone to buy and use crypto (buying and even sending crypto comes with fees anyways) This wasn't the case 10 years ago until fintech laws started to appear. Otherwise everyone who's looking for anonymity when receiving digital funds is fucked
SoulCentinel
SoulCentinel
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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I don't remember paypal ever asking me half the questions every single other site does.
It really did just let us send and get money however the hell we wanted with minimal security.
I might really be fucked without it.
TribalDragon
TribalDragon
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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That is changed now, paypal US really locks account features until you submit your social security number and a selfie.
Other countries normally just ask to link an actual bank account which makes it less intrusive but fintech laws are forcing everyone to simply reveal their identities for the sake of unlocking the full site
Ultilix
Ultilix
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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Did you try Arty?
SoulCentinel
SoulCentinel
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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arty.ooo?
Ultilix
Ultilix
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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Yep, that. I have Chilean friends who use it and it's based in Australia, I remember trying it once and finding it fairly usable, but I didn't wanna make it my main payment method at the time.
SoulCentinel
SoulCentinel
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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It may be perfect in many areas.
However I dislike that it won't give me money until I complete the art for a client and send it for approval.
It feels very controlling with many back and forth steps just to work. With the dozen clients I take at once, it could become tedious.
Ultilix
Ultilix
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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That was my main reason for not using it as a primary payment method, however if you can't find any other possible alternatives, you might need to accept it as a necessary evil
Detonato13
Detonato13
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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so I ain't the only one ?

too bad. we gotta dev our own money transfer app XD

more seriously, I sux
HeroicOnes
HeroicOnes
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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ProFee might be an option. They are an international bank courier and they accept Google Pay on the payers end, which would give you more options. The payer can send money directly to a bank card instantaneously, meaning all you need is a card that works with ProFee. Check their web page, they have pretty solid documentation. Fees are even a bit cheaper than PayPal and since you get it directly onto a card, there would be no transfer fees.

The one obvious downside is that your clients need a ProFee account but that is about the only one I can think of.
Onihidden
Onihidden
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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im pretty sure my paypal adress is like a mcdonalds somewhere

either way these apps are BULLSHIT and i hope you can find something that works
fucking hate how much of a chokehold these payment processing companies have on online art
Seck
Seck
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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Ton Wallet can be tried as an option. We'll all switch to crypto in a heartbeat.
WhiteWhiskey
WhiteWhiskey
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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I mentioned it as an afterthought last time but you could see if Artconomy can work for you. Also vaguely remember hearing about Paymentcloud, but issue is a lot of things are going to require business level information for business set up
whitepawrolls
whitepawrolls
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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Solution is simple. if you're doing this as a business then setup a business address and quit trying to dodge the system. I see way too many artistes trying to do this nonsense.
H1DRAW
H1DRAW
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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paypal also screwed me ... for now I had no choice and I am using wise and soon payoneer ... i have seen other options but they do not give me much confidence or are too complicated or do not work for my country ... it is really not a nice situation
Argentleaf
Argentleaf
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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Have you tried Unifans?
worstofbest
worstofbest
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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Regarding Unifans. I did a bit of digging. It does officially ban lolisho content on its platform. See this article.

> Any drawn, animated, or fictional material depicting characters that appear underage in sexual or suggestive contexts is prohibited.

If I understand Soulcentinel's use-case correctly, it's something like this:

* I need a way for commissioners to easily pay me one-time fees that I can cash out.
* I don't want to provide a lot of personal information.

Unifans might be viable, but only under specific conditions. Likely because the site is poorly moderated and is thus arbitrary. But even if you get banned from Unifans, you could probably remake under a different alias and try again.

The way this would work is basically this process:
* You sign up to Unifans and post some stuff that doesn't violate their content policy. I recommend noting this article.
* You open up some one-time payment system, like paid DMs, etc. Unifans has a few options. I recommend paid DMs as they give Unifans the least information. Then you test with a small amount to see if it works and you can withdraw.
* You use Unifans as a payment method. Customers pay with Paypal, and you cash out your stablecoins using an exchange. Don't post any content there you don't have to.

I empathize, SC, that crypto isn't a great medium of exchange. But in this approach, you'd at least not require that customers use it, too. If you can't find any better option, maybe this is worth a shot.
worstofbest
worstofbest
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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More info on Unifans. It looks like they banned lolisho as recently as March this year. If this article is to be believed (and I would take it with more than a few grains of salt, excepting perhaps the screenshots), they don't seem very interested in enforcing the ban.
Argentleaf
Argentleaf
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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I mean some artists that make 3d loli stuff still use it
Argentleaf
Argentleaf
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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You can also try kazepay.io
Flaminhotcheatoes
Flaminhotcheatoes
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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I wish I have an answer to that, but unfortunately I don't. All I can think about sadly is a "when all else fails" emergency plan where you stop doing commissions, get a job, draw in your off-time and use SubStar as like a tip jar or something.
Yoshifan5690
Yoshifan5690
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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By any chance, have you tried this site?

https://commiss.io/

A certain artist uses it that I know of, and from the sign up seems to imply that it dosen't require that?
Yoshifan5690
Yoshifan5690
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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Any address is what I was trying to say
douglas0828
douglas0828
1 month, 2 weeks ago
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live stream donations? or could just create another account and lie about product services you're giving if all that is required is a note of what the sale is for
Dachimotsu
Dachimotsu
1 month, 1 week ago
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You could always just accept one-time donations on SubscribeStar for commissions. They take a pretty big cut, though.
Pecan
Pecan
1 month, 1 week ago
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This might sound a bit out there, but does your banking app have the ability to cash checks via picture?

If so, theoretically you could accept payment via check, having customers send screenshots of the check which you then take a picture of it yourself to cash it. Unorthodox, but possible.

(Also, if you haven't looked into it, there's always good ol' Western Union. I don't even think the receiver needs an account.)
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