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InsaneProxy

Pro-para? What is that?

Ok so I've seen the term pro-para/pro-paraphilia thrown around here and there around the internet and to this day I'm not even entirely sure what it means. Are any of you familiar with it? Could you fill me in? If you want to keep it private you can DM me here or DM me on Discord or Telegram.

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But anyway yeah, I'm just trying to make sense of this term and online discourse can be very confusing. I apologize for being a boomer in this regard lol.
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JinTheCatfox
1 month ago
pro-para - supportive of paraphilias in general

InsaneProxy
1 month ago
But...in what way are they supportive? In the case of zoo and pedo, does that mean they're pro-contact or anti-contact? Do they treat paraphilias like mental disorders and support these people getting therapy? That's what I'm curious about.
JinTheCatfox
1 month ago
Actually that's  variable, some pro-para people are anti-c, some are pro-c. the former support people getting therapy, the later are the crazies that want to push for their paraphilias to become legal
muu
muu
1 month ago
paraphile here: pro para just means u are OK with people who have paraphilias. Ideally this also comes with recognizing that attractions/thoughts/feelings arent inherently harmful (and dont predispose one to "act" like a vast majority of vocal anti paras claim -- this is the important part). it also has nothing to do with whether you support any associated actions, thats its own thing. (u can be pro-zoo and anti bestiality for example) its just to do with people who have the attraction itself

this label is helpful for us to see because it is of course very popular to make fun of and villainize paraphiliacs based on assumptions and misconceptions/stereotypes and whatnot (ie that we are all sick or guaranteed to abuse someone) and knowing someone is not going to have our heads for simply being into something weird (on a internet landscape where wishing death on us is the norm) is nice lol.

its kind of the same thing as being "pro fiction" in the way that it signals u arent going to be a dick about what people are into, just more related to ppl with irl attractions that are commonly demonized instead.
InsaneProxy
1 month ago
Hmm, I don't believe anyone chooses what they're sexually attracted to (whether it be sexual orientation itself or something as specific as a paraphilia or fetish) but I can understand why some people wouldn't want to associate or be around certain paraphiles. In my case, because of past trauma, I don't feel comfortable around people who call themselves pedophiles/MAPs (as actually attracted to kids and not loli/shota/cub.) I've also seen some self-ID'd pedos and zoos claim their paraphilia is just as valid as the rest of the LGBT which I strongly disagree with. Is that a pro-para thing? Or does it depend on the person?
muu
muu
1 month ago
this is correct pretty much. i think the general consensus is most sexual interest features are innate, or at least not chosen (like i think there is room for influence e.g there are a lot of people who develop kinks thru related trauma, etc, so there is some environmental factor for some). i think it's kind of cruel to want to punish someone based on circumstances out of their control, so even if i wasn't one myself i'd still be an ally lol. Obviously you don't have to be friends with every para you meet and your situation is 100% understandable (and you're certainly not the only one).

i think how someone treats their attraction is very subjective and personal. i'm sort of 50/50 on the "it's lgbt" thing -- i do think it's queer to be para, of course, in the same way that general kink is associated with queerness; so in that way i could see intersection with the lgbt community similar to the way the current kink community is (i mean, really kinks are just socially acceptable paraphilias, the only real difference is stigma). And i'm sure there are a number of para orientations out there that may even end up categorized as "regular" sexualities one day(though which ones would be on this list i couldnt tell you). i actually think homosexuality went this route -- used to be a paraphilia, got normalized, now it's good -- so i guess it IS possible......

.....that being said, the point where the "zoosexuals" ACTUALLY lose me is where they use their "see, not actually a paraphilia, its a sexuality" status to then put down other paras. certain other less-stigmatized paras (fictos, plushos, objectos, etc) do this too -- i assume it's so that they get accepted into mainstream society faster (distancing themselves from the "freaks" as it were), but it seems kind of messed up to weaponize the same stigma/arguments used against you on other people in the same boat as you .... not to mention counterproductive. i feel like it would be a lot better if we just teamed up instead to educate people and end stigma for paraphilias in general.... but i think these guys won't have that, 'cause it also means acceptance for orientations *they* dont like. Very exhausting lol. (sorry for the tangent)
Kupok
4 weeks ago
This will sound like a selfish perspective but.. I'm old enough to know what I like in fantasy and reality both. pro/anti this and that is tiring, and aren't useful search terms to find the kinda art I wanna see.

Since I'm not gunning for any sort of community influence, I don't need to debate, argue, or justify myself in any fantasy, or in any consensual private act with other adults in reality. How tiering it must be for a person to be into something like Tommy Pickles and Spike boning and having to hide that weird, but ultimately harmless fantasy in order to be a youtube or twitch performer or convention staff?
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