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I have edited my post a bit in response, 'cause my first go honestly didn't focus on what it should have, so I hope now it focuses on the important part of support.

I think, honestly, it makes sense to not understand. It's that difference between sympathy and empathy - one requiring a personal connection that can be hard to have sometimes. Like, I 100% sympathize with bi people, but not being bi and not having had to deal with biphobia, I can't really empathize... It's just not part of my lived experience, so I can educate myself, but I can't fully *understand*. I think that's normal.

Honestly, a good chunk of this post was tapping into my absolute befuddlement with the gay trumpers LOL just blows my mind, so I let things cross lines without being clear on where it was coming from. So, another reason why I edited it lol I am, unfortunately, not immune to reactionary action sigh........... maybe one day

Thank you for the comment <3 :)

MystBunny

3 weeks, 6 days ago

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I didn't really take issue with your journal. To be fair this is something I've never encountered before. I notice patterns in people's behavior, sometimes without realizing it, but this seemed to defy ALL of them.

Alfador

3 weeks, 6 days ago

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I felt that something like this was true from the beginning, which is why I'm determined not to leave Inkbunny. GR's actions are not those of someone who has an actual dislike of trans people, but someone who just has misinformation on the situation. Like treating pronoun use as "perpetuating a falsehood"—that's something I've heard from other people who seem to have internalized right-wing propaganda. That's why I tried engaging in a comment thread, asking him if he insisted on using people's legal names instead of fursona names, because the latter is just as much a "lie" or "falsehood" as using pronouns other than for one's legal gender. But I never got a response; I suspect it was just lost in a large volume of replies at that time rather than any malice or deliberate ghosting.

I find myself extending Hanlon's Razor a LOT these days. The original is "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" but I prefer to extend it by saying "never attribute to general stupidity that which is adequately explained by specific ignorance or misinformation." This way I'm not still implying a character flaw on the part of the person being talked about, but pointing out that it's a specific information-based situation that can potentially be cured by corrected information.

lavilovi

3 weeks, 6 days ago

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@ Alfador

"	Alfador wrote:
	asking him if he insisted on using people's legal names instead of fursona names, because the latter is just as much a "lie" or "falsehood" as using pronouns other than for one's legal gender.

Oh! That's actually a really excellent comparison!

Alfador

3 weeks, 6 days ago

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Thank you!

SpoonFox

3 weeks, 6 days ago

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Lavi, you're a sweet heart. I've had groups of queer folk try to de-legitimize my queerness because I'm Asexual many times, saying "You're part of the problem" or "You're not oppressed!" Oh boy, let me tell you about the breeder mentality of conservatives, and how "if you're not breeding you're worthless", as well as people who have no clue what asexual means and still try to pressure sexualities on me "Oh you've just not found the right person." I. DO. NOT. LIKE. SEX. I have my reasons for this. I don't even like being touched in person. And this also flabbergasts people who see me being a kinky RPer and shit online... I'm a writer. I like writing. I'm not fapping/gooning to your RP with me... Sorry. It takes a lot to even arouse me, and even then, these days that doesn't always work anymore...

Sorry, Ranted about my stupid shit... *cough* Regardless... Asexual people are being abused in different ways. They're not having their rights taken away (yet), but they're ousted and turned into outcasts in many communities because 'they don't fit'.

As for what the bunbun says, that's the same perspective I have. And HOLY FUCK the number of queer trumpers in the fandom hurts me. "The leopards won't eat my face" as there are currently 9 bills to revoke Gay Marriage right now. *ugh*

lavilovi

3 weeks, 6 days ago

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It's fucking DIRE.

I genuinely don't understand the weird Suffering Olympics some people try to play as a card to legitimize this and delegitimize that. Suffering and oppression shouldn't be a prerequisite! It just so happens.... it's a commonality for the Queer community lol And we should be working to stop that from being a thing, for everyone's sake! It just makes me shake my head. I sincerely don't get it.

But seriously, the ace/arophobia is hogwild. "Corrective rape" is literally still a thing. Forced coercion certainly is too!! And the fact that we, as a society, will put babies in onsies that say things like "Future Stud" or "Dude your wife keeps checking me out" is FUCKING WILD, GUYS (and more than a little gross).

There's infinite room in this community, we're not lacking for space. If anything, we need a stronger collective to stand up to the shit those in power are pushing. The more the fucking merrier!!

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Agreed, friend.

And be wary, you're starting to get some of the assholes in your comments. Including an infamous conspiracy theorist who comes up with the worst fucking takes.

CubbyH

3 weeks, 6 days ago

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well said! <3

lavilovi

3 weeks, 6 days ago

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@ CubbyH

uwu <3

Lumite1000

3 weeks, 6 days ago

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Forcing someone to speak in an unnatural way isn't being "nice", they can ask for it, and there will be people who find it easy, but I'd like to say that there is a but. This is an issue that they always wanted to reach an agreement on, and the LGBT community always refused any discussion or negotiation on the matter. They didn't allow for a point where both sides could agree, and now that the other side has won, they won't give them a... I'd say a second, but really, it would be like opportunity number 8790135

I understand that they want to be treated in that special way, but honestly, they haven't done anything to deserve that respect. The number of journals and comments I've seen wishing death on him makes it pretty clear which side I'm on, because no matter how much trans people say they're being harassed, what you see is the complete opposite

When the controversy involving Dylan Mulvaney or Ellen Page happened, you'd go to their social media or pages where people talked about the topic, and the very few people wishing them dead were random accounts created a few days ago

But when the JK Rowling or Juegagerman thing happened, it was strange not to find a comment of that kind, and even stranger to not see a comment of that kind coming from a trans or a trans activist, most of them on their main account

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I think that it's interesting you begin by referring to respecting other people's identities as "unnatural," as well as stating trans people want to be treated "special." In my experience, they just want to be treated like people, without assumptions or expectations, something I think we all deserve.

I find that, in these moments, it's easy to be reactionary (hell, I've edited this very post to better express my intentions and not be too much of a bitch about it lol), especially in today's online environment. I'm not immune to this! It's a very human reaction to respond to perceived threats. I don't think this excuses it, mind, but rather we all need to be better aware of it.

Now, with that all said, I am genuinely sad you feel that way. I can very safely say that every trans friend I have has experienced horrific things due to their identity, from threats to actual action. And here's the crux of the issue for me: How should the ideal victim act in this situation, in your opinion, when someone is (at best) denying their identity or (at worst) campaigning to remove their existence? In what way do you think the good person should react to being told "I don't think you should exist" or "I think you're just trying to rape people" or "I think you're a pedophile"?

I, personally, believe no trans person is beholden to grant respect to someone denying their identity.

This is obviously touching on topics much farther than the GR thing. In his instance, I presume ignorance over malice, but at the same time, in a political environment in which those in global power are advocating for the erasure of entire minorities, the line between those two grows indistinct to me.

SpoonFox

3 weeks, 6 days ago

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I have lost 4 trans friends since January. One is MIA and presumed dead. Two took their own lives because their families pushed them too far. One was murdered by her own father (They have since been arrested, but it was politically motivated "Doing his job for his country, getting rid of his own 'tranny son'") I only found out about these because the first one's neighbor was part of our group, and she isn't at her house anymore. The second two had local friends who shared their strife. The last one I found out because the late individual's sister was a friend of another friend of mine, and she nearly took her own life because she was scared their father would come after her too, but their mother called the police on him and he was caught. (He was considered an estranged father for being a drunken misogynistic mess.)

"Death Threats" my fucking ass, they're telling him to stop being transphobic, and that he's being a tight ass about it, nothing more. If there are 'death threats', then those are a minority that this individual is using as a way to frame the ENTIRETY of the trans culture. By that logic, since we have a literal MAP on the site who wants to abuse RL children, then all people on IB must be pedophiles. That's the same logic the puritan fuckwits use, and the guy is using that logic on Trans people.

To say "Transphobes don't deserve the hate" is the same logic as "Nazis don't need to be hated, just understood!" Fuck off. We don't tolerate intolerance of any kind. This is the bigotry we're fighting against.

Lumite1000

3 weeks, 4 days ago

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Okay, there are many reasons why people are increasingly less supportive of these movements, and you exemplified some of them in your response.

There is something called intellectual honesty, and you showed such lack of it when it comes to your response.

First of all, I never said that their identities are unnatural; you're making that up. I specifically talked about the issue of speaking, because all of this comes from pronouns.

And I want to continue emphasizing this before moving on to the next point. People usually find it annoying when you misinterpret what they said to seek an attack on those words when there wasn't one. One aspect of intellectual honesty, is the principle of charity (I don't know if that's the correct translation), which is based on interpreting what is closest to what the person meant, and you did the exact opposite.

Another lack of intellectual honesty, and a very serious and childish one in my opinion, is thinking that everyone who doesn't think the same is reactionary and/or ignorant. Yes, there are people who are like that, but it's a lie that they're the majority, and our side completely rejects them.

about your question, it's already on a poor foundation. Not using pronouns doesn't mean all those kinds of things, which no one on our side has ever said. Just like the previous one, yes, there are people who are like that, but it's a lie that they're the majority, and our side completely rejects them.

about "I think you're just trying to rape people" and "I think you're a pedophile," that has never been our argument, and you would know that if you had the intellectual honesty to listen to what we have to say. And what we have to say is that the measures the LGBT movement is taking can be used to do those kinds of things without consequences, or that end in those kinds of things.

Look at the latest case: the LGBT movement in California is against considering paying a minor for sex a felony.

In Spain, the collective stated, AND MAINTAINS TO THIS DAY, that children have the right to consent to sexual relations. In Argentina, they featured a pedophile as the main face of an event attended by more than 40 LGBT organizations (almost all of the country's organizations). In Chile, the collective approved a thesis in favor of pedophilia.

And the worst thing about these last two cases is that both had been going on for some time, and no one within the collective reported them. It was by chance that someone on our side saw them.

How do you expect people not to think like that after the movement makes those kinds of decisions? For that same reason, there are so many of us gays who are constantly against the collective so that we are not put in that bag.

RainbowSquirrel

3 weeks, 4 days ago

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Thats a lot of words to say "i cannot respect my fellow man."

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I must also accuse you of being "intellectually dishonest," if that is truly what you're accusing me of. You explicitly stated that being "forced" to use preferred pronouns is "unnatural" (quote: "Forcing someone to speak in an unnatural way isn't being "nice""). To (knowingly) not use someone's preferred pronouns is to literally not respect their identity, which is what I said in return (quote: "you begin by referring to respecting other people's identities as "unnatural,""). How, I must ask, am I misinterpreting your own words? You even say in your response that "I specifically talked about the issue of speaking, because all of this comes from pronouns." To my eyes, we are stating the same thing: use of words to respect or disrespect other people. Or is this, too, going to be called "intellectually dishonest"? ;)

As for your second count of "dishonesty" on my part, you have issue with my comment about reactionary responses (quote: "Another lack of intellectual honesty, and a very serious and childish one in my opinion, is thinking that everyone who doesn't think the same is reactionary and/or ignorant."). I'm a little confused, and I apologize preemptively if I was unclear in my original statement. To clarify, I was not accusing any one side of being reactionary! I quite literally said it was a human issue and one that I was guilty of when I first made this blog post (and have since rectified because I want to be better as a person)! I stand by my words still. We, as a species, are reactionary and it's a difficult instinct to ignore sometimes. Again, I am more than guilty of this myself! I hope that clarifies my original intent and can be seen as "intellectually honest" now.

Now as for the rest of your comment, I think I can roughly be described as "But there have been queer pedophiles/rapists/etc before therefore it's reasonable for that to be used as an accusation against the entire queer community." I may be misunderstanding your point, in which case I am genuinely sorry and would appreciate clarification on your intent. But if I am correctly reading your words, that's an absurd argument that can be applied to every demographic, yet is consistently aimed and used to deny civil and human rights to the queer community, which is a skewed application, in my opinion. When will it be applied to Youth Pastors and Matt Gaetz?

And I'll be honest, I have no idea what California law you're talking about, because in September 2024 a law was signed that explicitly increased the penalty??? I see no queer group denouncing that law? Unless you're talking about the 2020 law? Which also wasn't about legalizing minor/adult sex (at least in no different way than other state's Romeo and Juliet laws, which tbf are fucking gross)???? So I gotta say I don't have reason to trust this fact.

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I wouldn't say it's an accusation. Objectively, there are things that are considered intellectually dishonest.

And you keep doing it. One thing leading to another through mental gymnastics only means you're looking for a way to find offense in those words. I repeat, I said "speaking." Don't make things up just to attribute a lack of respect to me that doesn't exist. Besides, it's hypocritical. You feel disrespected because someone doesn't accept being forced against their will into something that only a political movement thinks. Diversity is good, except when it's diversity of ideas, apparently.

The problem continues if you keep thinking about "be better as a person." If the narrative is that using pronouns is being a good person, that implies that anyone who doesn't use them is a bad person. When the reality is that it's just a normal person who speaks naturally without pausing to change their words because of what a political movement demands.

Yes and no, your simplification of the argument leaves out important and fundamental nuances.
What I'm saying is that representatives of the collective (organizations, groups, societies, public figures, etc.) have done or supported these kinds of things, and the collective has never spoken out against them.

Like, do you know how many people support this political movement? If at least a quarter of them were against it, these kinds of things wouldn't happen. And yes, as individuals, obviously, the vast majority don't support these things, but as a collective, their actions show that they do support it.

And I don't know who "Youth Pastors and Matt Gaetz" are, since I'm not from the US, but by pastors and the context, I imagine you're referring to the issue of pedophilia cases within the Catholic Church.

Yes, they're wrong. What do you expect me to say? That it's right? I don't understand why you're using those cases when 99% of Christians are against it and condemn it, both individuals and representatives (something that can't be said about LGBT people)

Furthermore, another reason why it is an absurd argument is that, in percentage, the cases of LGBT people doing these things are muuuuuuch higher than that of Catholics. The same Spanish government made public an entire investigation on the matter trying to make the church look bad, but they only found that of all the cases of child abuse, only 0.03% belong to the church (being the country with the highest percentage). And just to add, the number of Jews is, depending on the country, about 17 times higher than that of Christians.

And about California, that's from this month, they're holding a vote to see if that crime is considered medium or serious, and LGBT representatives are publicly announcing that they will vote no

lavilovi

3 weeks ago

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"How dare you say I said x when I really said x." Talk about intellectually dishonest! lol

Stay cool and have a great summer :)

Makroth

2 weeks, 3 days ago

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1. Being trans is a poltical movement? Is being gay also a poltical movement? Or have they stopped being one after the stigma against them is mostly gone?

2.Can you actually prove that the LGBT community actually supports pedophilia? Also, aren't you gay?

3. Show me text of the Spanish law that says you can fuck children if they consent. Or that it says they're capable of consent at all.

4. The Catholic Church is the world's biggest pedophile ring. I can show you the receipts to prove that. Every Catholic that supports it in any way is supporting pedophilia. Most Catholics support it.

And no, changing what pronouns you use for someone is not unnatural. For fuck's sake, you dipshits respect the pronouns of cats and dogs more than you do the ones of people.

Pepelebabysitter

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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1 no, it is a topic that has been extremely politicized to the point where I can safely say that 98% of transsexuals and transgender people are so for political reasons and not because they currently have the condition of gender disparity

the only people who maintain that being gay or trans is the lgbt movement itself. gays like me, lumite, and thousands that there are around the world, have always wanted to separate ourselves for many reasons, starting with the fact that being gay shouldn't be synonymous with belonging to a leftist ideology

2 in the other comment, I gave you an example.
what does being gay have to do with being against a group? just because they claim to defend us (which they don't do much of, to be honest) doesn't mean we're part of it and can't question it

3 is not a law, it is an idea that the government and several parties (all lgbt) are promoting, they even spend public money on making a billboard with a similar phrase

4 that's straight up lie on the same level as a flat earth and it's downright stupid. in the country where cases of child abuse by Christians are the highest in the world,(which is Spain, coincidentally), it's barely 0.03%, literally, cases of Jews abusing children are 17 times higher

also because does that relieve the blame for the other cases? are you justifying them? are you downplaying the other cases? are you falsely assuming that we support those cases even though many against lgbt aren't even christians?

you can't name a major Christian organization saying pedophilia is okay, but I can name several lgbt organizations, about 40 in Argentina alone

Makroth

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Is has been politicized the same way being gay used to be politicized. It has been politicized by the same monsters who want trans people dead. The same people who politicized this are also the same people who politicized being gay and wanted them eliminated. They're using the same arguments against their new victims, for crying out loud!

Being gay or trans or asexual or gender-noncorfiming has always been left-wing and always will be. Because the right wing has never been OK with such deviations and never will be. Ernst Rohm also believed himself to be safe if he bowed down to the right. He was wrong.

Show me that billboard.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67238572

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/obituaries/article/2025/04/21...

https://www.france24.com/en/france/20211003-thousands-o...

https://www.iicsa.org.uk/reports-recommendations/public...

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6676731/

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/10/5/awful-truth-ch...

IT.

IS.

A.

PEDOPHILE.

RING.

It is the world's largest and most succesful pedophile ring. Anybody who supports the Catholic Church is supporting pedophilia. Full stop.

Every accusation is a confession. The "righteous" are the the true monsters. And no, it doesn't matter one bit if the church says child-rape is not okay. Because their actions say the opposite. Their protection of pedophiles says they believe it IS okay.

Now it's your turn. Show me LGBT organizations that even come close to that kind of horror. I will genuinely surprised if you find even one that's not just the lies of murderous, pedophilic right-wingers.

Makroth

2 weeks, 3 days ago

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Before we continue, i'm gonna need you to prove that that was an actual pedophile supported by more than 40 pesophile organizations. The reason i don't believe you is because lying is the right wing's bread and butter.

Pepelebabysitter

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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he can't answer you because Lavi has already blocked a couple for not taking the same view (the tolerant ones)

here's the video that explains the whole thing, including sources
t's obviously in spanish because that happened in Argentina

https://youtu.be/HzB2_ewuRvQ?si=KjRbefIq4ilJ36XF

lavilovi

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@ Pepelebabysitter

That video has nothing about pedophilia that I can see, so... not sure why you thought it relevant (like, okay, it's wrong to assault someone in general? I'm not sure what you were expecting)? Also, yikes, no one else had yet brought out antisemitism in their comments! So honestly, I'm just gonna save us both time. Please tolerate this:

:) Stay cool and have a great summer!

Makroth

2 weeks ago

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@ Pepelebabysitter

That's not what that video is about.

Caballofinoyclasico

4 days, 4 hrs ago

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Unfortunately, he is right about the video, you may not have understood it because of the language difference.

Makroth

3 days, 21 hrs ago

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Can you at least give me names?

Caballofinoyclasico

3 days, 15 hrs ago

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Names of? The person who made the video? The rapist? Or the organizations?

Makroth

3 days, 13 hrs ago

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The rapist and the organizations.

Caballofinoyclasico

3 days, 12 hrs ago

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The Main organization: https://www.instagram.com/la.disidente/

A resume of the situation: https://x.com/TraductorTeAma/status/1723599185386041581

The LinkedIn of the rapist: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cristian-godoy-garcia-61b11...

And the name of some organization that supported the rapist to be face of the movement in that march: Futuro trans, Nuevo encuentro géneros y disidencias PBA San Martin, CCC (Corriente clasista y combativa), La Mella, Bisagra activismo bisexual, Red prisma, Frente patria grande (This is actually quite serious because the biggest reference to LGBT and feminism in Latin America is among its participants), cooperativa cannabis cultural (pro drugs and lgbt), El Teje de San Martin, and a lot more

All of these associations are either primarily LGBT or include LGBT in their fight, and the worrying part and the reason why more and more people are against the LGBT political movement is that none of these associations are private and they did not come out to repudiate the rapist's actions.

Makroth

3 days, 10 hrs ago

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Where's the rape? Also, would you say that because the straight community does not condemn and apologize for Harvey Weinstein makes them complicit in his actions? Or the fact that they do not condemn and apologize for child marriage? Is that the actions of a community that truly deserves all the freedoms it's currently enjoying?

Caballofinoyclasico

2 days, 12 hrs ago

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In the second link, the first video

There's no heterosexual community; no one ever put him forward as a representative of anything like that. However, in the case of this Argentinian, the LGBT community did put him as the face, literally on the posters.

Where do you get that we're in favor of child marriage? Could you show me where that appears in the Trump, Milei, or Vox campaigns?

Makroth

2 days, 7 hrs ago

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Everyone in favour of child marriage is right wing. Also, yes, there is a heterosexual community. Just because it's the "default" community does not mean it's not a community. So where's their denouncement of Matt Gaetz? Where is their denouncement of Epstein? Of child marriage. That's not a good look, wouldn't you agree?

caballo2

2 days, 4 hrs ago

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And all black people are thieves according to your logic. I asked for arguments. Show me a statement from Trump, Milei, or Vox, the largest representatives of the right, saying that this is okay. Or are you just saying that because 4 randoms who are in favor of it, and who most likely come from those countries where you can't eat ham? I ask you, can you give an example of a MINIMALLY RELEVANT Christian or right-wing organization, FROM THEIR OWN PAGE, of them saying that is okay?

So tell me what this supposed heterosexual community is called, how many millions in public money it receives, and how many members it claims to be openly part of? Or by "community" you're collectivizing a sexuality as if it were some kind of organized group?

It's not a community, since you're collectivists who believe that all homosexuals are LGBT, you assume that others also do that nonsense, but no, a white straight guy isn't going to come out and say "I'm sorry for everything Al Capone did, he killed people because he was straight, the fact that he was a narco had nothing to do with it."

You ask, "Where's the denunciation?" But who the hell do you expect it from? Coca-Cola or something? Answer me seriously. What association do you expect to apologize as if he were their representative because he is straight?

lavilovi

2 days, 3 hrs ago

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Uh-oh, someone's not staying cool and having a great summer!

Makroth

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I don't give a shit if those four are in favour of it or not. It'ss all right-wingers that are in favour in child-marriage. Both Muslim AND Christian. Do you honestly not know how widespread and legal the practice is in the United States? And what the political orientation of the people who engage in and support it is? Is your ignorance willful?

Also, the right-wing as a whole wants the LGBT community and those within it ERASED? Being LGBT and being right-wing is like being a jew for Hitler.

These things are just simple facts that are based on observable reality. Try observing it sometimes.

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I'm not asking you if you care or what you think. I'm asking for proof to see if what you're saying is true or if you're just making it up because you hate people who don't think like you. Although proof isn't even needed to know that something so stupid is false, what you're saying is the same as "all black people are thieves."

So widespread and legal that it doesn't even reach 1% xD

I won't deny that, we want a political ideology that steals money and defends pedophilia (I do have proof to support that claim, unlike you, who still hasn't given it to me) to be eliminated. You're a collectivist who thinks attacking that ideology is attacking you and those who follow it, because you're incapable of having the slightest intellectual honesty to differentiate between ideas and people.

And the question is, did Hitler support the state? Yes, did he support the nationalization of companies? Yes, did he support mandatory propaganda in schools, colleges, and universities? Yes, was he against the free market? Yes, was he a collectivist? Yes, did he regulate the economy? Yes
Sorry, but if we base ourselves on the things that we know from history that Hitler defended and believed, the left is much closer to Nazism than the right, and LGBT is indeed a left-wing movement.

An observable reality that you haven't shown despite my twice request.

And since I know what yours are like, I emphasize, I want you to give me proof from the source itself, not from someone who talks about it on their blog or on a newscast. If you say the right is in favor of pedophilia, put a RELEVANT representative of the right saying they are in favor. Because a case count (which doesn't even reach 1%) is no evidence of anything.

Makroth

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https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features...

https://www.newsweek.com/tennessee-bill-proposes-elimin...

Again, are you really THAT dense?

Also, Hitler was not left-wing. He was anti-union and pro-gun. And the majority of businesses were perfectly happy to work with him, because they still made lots of money. Which is all that has ever mattered to them.

https://history.uwo.ca/news/2024/a_look_at_claims_the_n...

They killed actual socialists.

https://jacobin.com/2023/03/peter-hitchens-nazism-left-...

lavilovi

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I've looked up both group and person, and the articles I see have nothing beyond a couple of screenshots that aren't a good look, but not actual evidence of anything criminal (which the language barrier might be impacting, to be fair)? Still, even if that is the case, if you gotta point to one potential bad person in a group that is based entirely on a couple of screenshots, the argument needs work. Even if an entire activist group is somehow evil, it doesn't invalidate the need for equality for all. Otherwise it feels like an attempt to rationalize hatred as logical, which I cannot agree with.

Caballofinoyclasico

2 days, 12 hrs ago

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It's not even a language barrier issue. In the video and the third image, it's pretty clear what he did. Here it is again

https://x.com/TraductorTeAma/status/1723599185386041581

"she" put his penis and balls in a woman's mouth and kissed a little kid

If the problem is that they are screenshots, then I'm sorry to tell you that the law confirmed that these captures are real and that it can be used as evidence in the case, because are real

lavilovi

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Then... arrest them? I'm sorry that they're being supported then? That's not the fault of an entire minority, right?

(looking at your above comment)
Oh, I see. If one is bad, they're all bad. There's no heterosexual community, but there is a single homosexual community that must all bear the price. I understand.

I don't know if your intent is this, but from your words, I would assume you do not support LGBT people, and I don't really care to debate why a minority should be allowed to exist. If I am misreading your words, then I apologize, but I also only have so many hours in the day, so....

Stay cool and have a great summer!

caballo2

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To this day, I don't know if he's been arrested or not. most likely not, these types of cases usually take years because, well, in a public system run by Democrats, it'll take three years, if we're optimistic.

No, at no point has it been said that Xhris's case is the fault of gays. It's LGBT who are being blamed for accepting to put him as the face of the movement.

There is no heterosexual community, nor is there a homosexual community. What there is is a leftist political movement that collectivizes all gays within itself. The fact that you feel like I'm talking about all homosexuals because I'm talking about LGBT is because you have a gigantic imaginary enemy in your head and you only read what you think he's saying.

You're right, I don't support a movement that steals money, up with every movie series or video game that touches, accepts to put a pedophile as a representative, and that collectivizes a sexuality.

Okay, congratulations, I guess? At no point has there been a debate about whether gays should exist or not. Maybe you got the conversation mixed up.

Dude, if you're going to block, don't respond first. You're literally just throwing stones and hiding your hand. That intolerant and dishonest attitude is precisely what's driving the right to more and more votes. Not to mention it's also silly because I can always create a new account :u

lavilovi

2 days, 3 hrs ago

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I blocked you after I had posted my original comment - I am happy to explain why I did and why I'm just going to do it again:

I don't see any value "debating" with you. It's a waste of both of our time, and we both could spend our days more productively. :) You can disagree, that's fine! Feel free to make a call-out post on how I won't listen to anyone who doesn't agree that the LGBT community needs to stand together and not gatekeep members of our own community. I promise, I don't mind. :)

So stay cool and have a great summer!

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I do believe the part you don’t want to debate, it is clear that yours do not like to debate because yours do not tolerate someone thinking differently.

I know the rest is a lie, because if it were true, you wouldn't have posted a final comment accusing the other person without giving them the opportunity to respond. Like I said, it's throwing the stone and then hiding your hand. Don't throw it in the first place and just tell the truth. You don't want to hear a position different from yours.

And by community, who do you mean? Gays? Most of whom aren't in favor of LGBT.

lavilovi

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Man, for someone who complained about having to spend all his time going to talks, you sure have a lotta free time lol

"You don't want to hear a position different from yours"
Strong words coming from someone who keeps making new accounts to whine about how mean I am lol :3

Stay cool and have a great summer! ;3

MystBunny

3 weeks, 6 days ago

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You try being the target of an organized and nefarious campaign of fearmongering and scapegoating for a decade and see if you don't feel like lashing out every now and then. Notice this wasn't as big an issue before that. It's a fear reaction. When you back people into a corner, they fight. What we should be doing is rejecting the fearmongering tactics first and foremost.

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3 weeks, 4 days ago

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First of all, we're not in 1980 anymore. If that were really the case, the law would have to intervene. They don't do it? Well, yours've been in power longer than us, eight years with Obama and four with Biden. The fact that the state is ineffective in those cases is yours fault.

As I said before, the right has tried to discuss this hundreds of times, and the collective never gave them the opportunity.

On this side of the continent, we have the perfect example. The number of famous pro-LGBT influencers who access debates can be counted on the fingers of one hand, while those who are against it (it's important to note that two of the most famous are gay) are always inviting to that debate

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3 weeks, 4 days ago

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Dude, scapegoating tactics have never been illegal! The hell are you on about? Roman emperors used scapegoating tactics against Christians, and politicians here in the US have been using them against every minority they can get away with, for as long as they can get away with it. it's the oldest trick in the book and you seem to have been drinking up every drop of it. At this late date, that's just pathetic.

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Okay, let's say what you say is true. The colective is still just as guilty because they've never opposed to that

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You don't need to reach everyone with these tactics, and hell, here in the US, you don't even have to reach a majority. As for whether it's true, go back and listen to some of the segregationists during the civil rights movement, or not even that far back to before gay marriage. You'll find a lot of similarities.

lucashoal

3 weeks, 5 days ago

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"When the controversy involving Dylan Mulvaney"
Budweiser put her face on ONE beer, for marketing purposes. That was the entire controversy. It wasn't even a public release, it was literally just for her to promote them.

Lumite1000

3 weeks, 4 days ago

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@ lucashoal

Yes, and people reacted as they should, not consuming the product, not going on social media to wish death like they did with JK.

Besides, the problem wasn't that she was put as the face of the brand, it's dishonest and you admit that you haven't listened to what that side has to say if you think that was the main reason why they did it

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JK, you mean Rowling? No she deserves 5x the hatred she puts into the world.

That is indeed the entire story wrt Ms. Mulvaney though. All she did in the Bud story, was be an influencer who had her face put on a can by AmeriBev. There's no more story there.

e- https://inkbunny.net/j/554715#commentid_2816064 what in the kentucky fried fuck is this series of run on ideas with nothing cited trump boy, lmao.

PoorSal

3 weeks, 6 days ago

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Well said <3

lavilovi

3 weeks, 6 days ago

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@ PoorSal

<3 <3 <3

ShySketch

3 weeks, 6 days ago

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"We are in this together, and we need to support each other. No exclusions, no gatekeeping others."

Except me, right? I get accused of "hating" my own sexuality by the usual suspects, many of which say the exact same thing you're saying, right here. See how long it takes for them to make up the most ridiculous claims about me hating my own sexuality, but as though I did not have that sexuality.

It has nothing to do with "sexuality" or "sexual identity" they only care about having power over others and abusing that power for their every emotional whim. They live life as though they think they are "God" and treat everyone else with contempt and slander. :P

lavilovi

3 weeks, 6 days ago

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I'm sorry to hear that

ShySketch

3 weeks, 6 days ago

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Thank you.  I'm sure you'll be getting a few private messages from them soon, demanding that you block me and providing links to the ADL's "hate symbol database."  They use the ADL's because every letter A-Z in English (and other languages) as well as all numbers up to like 5 figures, and a ton of everyday normal things, all have their own direct url "hate symbol" link.  They use these as a slandering tool against me, to make it "look official."  This has been going on for years.  It has absolutely nothing-at-all to do with my sexuality, which they constantly deny I am when they slander me.  They helped me get permabanned from FA, and FA never gave any rule/reason and it was my first ever ban on FA.  From nothing, to a permaban, thanks to their slander.

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My issue with all this is that the "primary concerns" have nothing to do with sexuality.  For example, during the lockdown (I worked in-person until the "vaccine" mandate in late 2021), I was prevented from entering all of the local "LGBTQ spaces" (bars, clubs, etc) on the basis of things like "PCR tests" and "Vaccine Passports."  After about a year, I no longer considered myself "LGBT" because I was not allowed to attend.  Nothing about my sexuality changed, obviously.  A similar thing happened with the furry fandom, because I'm basically "pre-banned" from all the cons, despite never even attending any con ever.

Again, "LGBT" is supposedly about sexuality, right?  But even in your journal, you make a reference to "the fight for equality for all."  I do not "fight."  I do not believe in "equality for all" because that's communism.  He who defines "equality" is inherently not equal, but superior.  I do believe that we have rights, but a right is not the same thing as "equality for all" which implies some kind of centralized "equality institution" which gets to define what "equality" means.

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I don't know who you are or why you feel 'persecuted,' but after reading that schpeel I'm going to guess you're not well liked because you're kind of a narcissistic asshole. It's not about your sexuality. It's about you coming in here trying to highjack this discussion to assert yourself as the main character of 'real life.'

Get therapy.

ShySketch

3 weeks, 5 days ago

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@ StarRabbit

You don't know who I am, but that doesn't stop you from making judgements?

theRapists are a form of religion

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3 weeks, 5 days ago

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You're doing a great job of showing me who you are; a gross, extremely cringe, narcissistic freak.

ShySketch

3 weeks, 5 days ago

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@ StarRabbit

The OP is deleting my comments without given reason.  You guys need to carefully construct whatever narrative you need around me?

Here I'll repost part of it

""Trans" as in "transformation" which is the base, foundational sexuality of "Trans."  Which I actually have as my primary sexuality, but which isn't technically possible in the way that my sexuality is."

The OP is trying to frame me as "not trans"

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Here is another part of my (deleted) comment)

"It's not limited to "gender," and the sexuality has nothing to do with surgery or pharmaceutical products.  That is an exploitation of trans, and abuse of trans.  You're speaking of "trans" but it's not even your sexuality.  It's my sexuality, but I get slandered."

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It's exact what I said would happen.

StarRabbit

3 weeks, 5 days ago

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Have you ever considered not behaving like a self-absorbed asshole? Have you tried 'being humble and considerate of others' as a possible strategy to navigate social situations? No? Just gonna keep acting persecuted because everyone around you refuses to treat you like a diva? S'okay then!

Again; seek therapy.

ShySketch

3 weeks, 5 days ago

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@ StarRabbit

Have you considered that you're getting only the selectively edited comments I write, and that they delete others to portray me as the "bad guy" xD

What did they tell you? Lately, it's been ADL links and claims that I'm "homophobic" and "transphobic." Look at my gallery for 2 seconds and tell me what you see. It's all made up~!

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Nah, your persecution-complex and need to be the center of attention is clear as day, front and center. It's in every post you write. No one is trying to hide that, because there IS no hiding that.

You're your own worst enemy. Your head is just too far up your own ass to see it.

Log off and touch some grass.

Makroth

2 weeks, 3 days ago

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That's not a sexuality.

ShySketch

3 weeks, 5 days ago

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I take back the thanks, you deleted my comment explaining that I am trans so that I could be privately slandered as transphobic.

Same thing every time, selectively deleting my comments to frame me :P

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I thought that if I acknowledged that you hurt in ways I do not understand, while removing your unnecessary comments on other people's threads, we could potentially have a nice, quiet moment in which I can say that I don't understand your beliefs but perhaps, ultimately, you did not intend anything negative.

But I see that cannot work. So I'm banning you from my stuff. Congrats, I've been on this site for a full decade and you are the first user I've banned.

So screencap this comment and use it as proof that you're being personally victimized by me. I'm the cackling villain plotting your downfall, the evil master of darkness personally trying to destroy you and all you hold dear, yada, yada, yada, whatever you need to never have to ruminate on how you play a part in your own societal demise. Stay cool and have a nice summer.

Bosky

3 weeks, 6 days ago

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Cosign! *lil foxy hugs!* Us queer folks oughta stick together, and we all deserve love and support! And that includes transgender and bisexual and ace folks too!

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@ Bosky

Exactly!! <3 <3 Such wise words from such a lil foxy pup <3 :3

ButteNutte

3 weeks, 6 days ago

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Amen, it's all of us or none of us, and I stand with my trans siblings out there. Gay people got their rights and social acceptance (mostly), now is not the time to go "fuck you got mine", this is only getting the foot in the door and we either get all the way in or risk having the door slammed on all of us again

lavilovi

3 weeks, 6 days ago

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@ ButteNutte

Legit!!! You hit the nail on the head! Equality is not a limited resource! We can and should demand more for all our queer siblings!

FriskeyFurley

3 weeks, 6 days ago

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so true all what you said in his journal

lavilovi

3 weeks, 6 days ago

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I'm genuinely so happy to see so many people agree. I think it's easy to doomscroll and forget that far more people have empathy and basic decency that the news suggests <3

FriskeyFurley

3 weeks, 5 days ago

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well ofc i understand that ppl can be different and we all are only strong if we stick together.

I myself was nonbinary and strongly felt like neither male or female are right
even if i'm now all secure being my own kind of male (a gay to add my preferences but i can act outside it too
doesnt invalidates my sexuality. i'm just that much of a sub and open minded if non males want my dick o..o,,)

MomartikPSITIME

3 weeks, 5 days ago

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It's been years and years and I still don't know/understand what "queer" means :/

SpoonFox

3 weeks, 5 days ago

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"Abnormal", "Strange", or "Different". Usually associated with sexuality these days, or identification with one's attraction towards a same sex (homosexuality), lack of attraction (asexuality), or their sense of self not aligning (transgender, therian, otherkin).

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I think it's easier to define it by what it is not, that is cisgendered sex-interested hetersexuals (the societal norm). If you're not one or two or all threes of those things, bam! You're in the queer community.

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It's a synonym for LGBT, any more.
https://blog.nationalarchives.gov.uk/queer-history-a-hi... don't take tiktok/twitter/tumblr QUEER IS A SLUR! discourse as gospel truth.
https://www.out.com/activism/homophobic-slurs-being-rec...
listen to more people. Long story short, Queer *can be* used as a slur, like a lot of words. But it's essentially just a synonym for LGBT at this point.

df01

3 weeks, 5 days ago

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🥰🥰

lavilovi

3 weeks, 4 days ago

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@ df01

<3 <3 <3

WintersInk

3 weeks, 2 days ago

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Based and true! Go Lavilovi! <3

lavilovi

3 weeks, 2 days ago

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@ WintersInk

Sayin' it loud and fucking proud!!!! <3 <3

MrCoyote

2 weeks, 6 days ago

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I still need to learn more about trans people, but yes, they suffer the same and more than us, and they need our support.

lavilovi

2 weeks, 5 days ago

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I'm definitely still ignorant myself, but trying to understand and sharing support means the world, I think! :) <3 <3

Ssurgul

2 weeks, 3 days ago

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Well, there's one key element to all the hate being piled up on the trans community right now that bears reminding everyone of.

All these accusations are, quite literally, just recycled from their constant attacks on the GL parts of the community back when we were demanding equal rights last century. That we were 'indoctrinating kids', that we were a 'danger to health of the community', that we were 'sick' and 'deviant' and 'damned'. All that usual religious zealot hate. There is no hate quite like Xian "love". That applied then, as it applies to now. It's not a very bright light in this blanket of shitty darkness the RTTs have been pushing over the world. But it is a light. I view nearly all the community as being allies to everyone else. I know better than to count on support from the likes of the Log Cabin Republicans, which might as well be where at least one of my exes lives nowadays. They're so self-hating that they refuse to just let the rest of us be, and be open, and be honest, and be happy.

Also, just remember this too when the inevitable "but can't you at least recognize the super majority for preventing trans inclusion <here> or <there>??" The vast majority of the country, because of the religiosity of the founders, as well as the purely insane sects that have sprung up since the Renaissance, wanted to jail gays. They denied us fundamental rights. They were constantly railing against us. Push back at EVERY teensy tiny thing that is asserted, because it's literally just the thin end of the wedge to them. And when they screech about how 'uncompromising' you are when you do, just remind them that trying to "compromise" with someone that doesn't believe people are actually who they say they are is like trying to compromise with a cannibal over who they're allowed to eat. You are under NO obligation to support or compromise with literal hate. Because you can be absolutely sure that their "compromise" will always end up with us being shoved back in the closet at the best, and jailed at the worst.

lavilovi

2 weeks, 3 days ago

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10000% It's the same tactics. Which is really why I'm baffled by people in the community trying to gatekeep... Like, I guess they think that if they back up the hate, they'll be seen as "one of the good ones" as opposed to the reality, which is "next in line for the firing squad."

But I suppose that's partially thanks to LGBT history really isn't passed on, isn't it? Between the AIDS crisis literally killing those who could have passed it on, and teaching it being seen as corrupting the youth, you really have to go searching to find it, which sucks. Knowledge of how those with a pink triangle were forced to finish their sentences after the "end" of the Holocaust, that trans woman of color were instrumental and integral key figures to the queer civil rights fight (trans people have always been here!!!), that even now the LGBT is used as a scapegoat for health issues (monkeypox got quickly labeled the gay sex disease, despite literally being contagious by talking/sneezing/coughing and other nonsexual behavior). We, as a community, have through various reasons, lost touch with our own history, which is only to our detriment...

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2 weeks, 3 days ago

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Well, it's not just that we've 'lost touch' with the history. Some, like me, are quite old, and saw it all. With the Intartubez, finding the reality is literally just a quick search away. But that's not what I see as the biggest problem. Many years ago, I was roomies with a rather young, rather green fur that was tututing and shaking his head that people were holding a gay pride march in an Islamic country. (Can't recall which, but that's not relevant.) He said that they should expect to get killed for doing that. After all, with all the advances we'd made (this was the mid-2000s), we really didn't need Pride marches anymore at all, and just look at the USA ones to see why. All that flamboyant drag and silliness and sex, it was all so pointless to him.

Ummmmmm, we've seen what happens when we get slack on fighting for our fucking rights. And lazy asshats like him only empower the fucking evil to constantly try and rip our rights away. Remember, SCOTUS already signaled that they're more than willing to overturn Obergefell, to start the process of shoving us all back in the closet. You're absolutely right that the AIDS crisis took away so many of our strongest voices. Thanks ever so much you fuck Reagan for doing NOTHING by choice. But that doesn't mean our history has been straightwashed away. Not yet anyway. But we definitely need STRONG advocates, unlike what Pelosi and Clinton offered. Rights aren't pie, as Jammidodger on YT says. Us getting equality harms the cis-hets in precisely zero ways, other than taking away their selective exclusionary politics. And that's NOT fucking persecution.

Makroth

2 weeks, 3 days ago

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Also, every accusation is a confession. A lot of the people screaming about "groomers" have been proven to be actual groomers themselves.

Ssurgul

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Oh, most assuredly. One one of my 'normal' social feeds, someone took it upon themselves to post every time there was another pedo case out there. And over 90% of the time (he had listed over 30, and 2 weren't straight) the culprit is cis-het and RTT/faith leader. Not surprising, as we knew from the 70s that that was the case. But to have the actual facts laid out like that, and for them to double down on the screeched accusations just reinforces how devoid of real world facts and data they are.

Dokkulfr

6 days, 2 hrs ago

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100%. Thanks for this ^_^

lavilovi

3 days, 8 hrs ago

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@ Dokkulfr

Gotta stand against the assholes!!

Caballofinoyclasico

4 days, 4 hrs ago

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Where I studied, they often stopped classes to give us LGBT talks.

Based on my experience with this movement, I can say that most of the rejection toward it doesn't stem from any kind of phobia.

My first interaction was being insulted by pro-LGBT activists at one of those talks for saying that I didn't think it was a good idea that the fight against homophobia was for Superman's son to be gay.

So, of course, after that, you already have a gay person against the group, and several more because my friends were nearby listening.

Even if I hadn't said anything, that rejection would still exist because it wasn't a private talk. Imagine being poor and realizing that the money you spend on taxes is going toward that. And not to mention all the students who saw our classes fall behind. Those who studied for two years could have been reduced to one or three months if we take out those talks, because it's not like it lasted a little while.

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If I'm understanding you correctly, and please correct me if I'm misunderstanding, you're justifying anti-LGBT sentiment because you had to go to LGBT talks instead of class? I will admit my ignorance (forgive me), but I've never heard of any institution requiring classes to be interrupted for LGBT talks before.

Regardless... If that's all it takes to make you reject equality, then I'm not so sure I wholly blame these class interruptions. I'm sorry that you were insulted, and I'm certainly not excusing that, but.... Insults are probably the least offensive thing that regularly happens to LGBT people.

Caballofinoyclasico

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Put it in that way, it makes it sound less serious, although it's still a completely valid point:

1. I wasn't the only one who missed classes; more than 500 of us over several years missed many classes because of those talks. And they taught medicine there. That degree already lasts 7 years in my country. Now, add on like 4 years thanks to the talks

2. No matter what the topic is, I think it's very bad that they spend public money on political talks when the police and firefighters complain that they don't have the budget to hire personnel or equipment.

3. I'm pretty sure you would see a problem with giving a political talk if the talk were about anarcho-capitalism and pro-Trump propaganda.

I don't know what country you're from or how old you are, but it's quite common, especially in schools, since minors can't choose whether or not to go to the talks.

At no time has it been said that I, or anyone against LGBT, is against equality. Both because LGBT and other similar movements aren't the owners of something like this: not being an LGBT activist transforms a person into a homophobe. Both because there are SOOOOO many gays against LGBT, so many that I've even noticed that the media is finding it increasingly difficult to show only heterosexuals against the movement.

And I'm not saying that I'm offended or that I'm a victim for that. My point is that it's quite normal to see LGBT treat you badly as soon as you show that you don't agree with everything they say. Of course there are horrible things happening to gays, you have Afghanistan, Iran, Mauritania, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Yemen, Palestine, Somalia, Pakistan, Qatar.

In all those countries, they kill you if they find out you're gay.

And I would like to emphasize, I am not saying that gays are not killed here, but it is a very small number and it always, ALWAYS, decreases at the same time as murders in general. Look at Mexico for example, with so much drug trafficking, it doesn't surprise me that gay murders are so high, but it's not a question of homophobia, it's a question of having 5 drug addicts or their dealers shooting each other on every corner

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First, I'm sorry, I said "you" meaning it in a generic sense; I had not meant to mean *you*. That's my fault for ambiguous language.

So then, again this is from my own ignorance, I have to assume there are other mandatory talks on other mandatory subjects? Is it the groups strong-arming the university to forcibly give the talks? I have to assume no, it's the university allowing it to happen -- why blame the group talking if the establishment is mandating it? And honestly, I think, in general, the idea of talks is good and educational. Learning about minorities, racial groups, etc, is important, especially in medical fields. You can't treat those you don't understand, after all.

As for money.... I'unno, I would doubt whatever money is spent on talks is enough to cover budget shortages for emergency services. In my experience, talk money is... very small. But, hey, I could be wrong for your country! Maybe most of the government money is spent on LGBT talks. :D

I am not sure I would compare "LGBT equality" with "pro Trump" and "anarcho-capitalism." The first is a basic tenet of human decency, not anything political. Existing and asking for rights should not be a political act. I'm also not sure what you would say not being an "LGBT activist" makes you? It seems pretty cut and dry, you're either pro or against. If you're pro, you're an activist; if you're against, you're not. And if someone told me "I'm not an LGBT activist" that pretty easily equates to "I don't believe LGBT people should exist." The other person might not intend that meaning, but to the oppressed side, it's hard to not see "I don't support you" as "I wish you didn't exist" (and to me, they are the same statement, one just sounds nicer than it is). You don't have to fly a flag or go to rallies or make donations to be an activist, because being LGBT or supporting the rights of LGBT.... make you an activist by default, at least that is how I see it. It might not seem like an all or nothing to you, but that's not the life of many LGBT. To deny one thing is to imply the denial of everything.

Though.... I gotta say, if someone is against LGBT, that's be definition against equality.

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Yes, there are, like any normal school does, and I think it's fine as long as it has something to do with school education.
But how the question works for something if you then block me so I can't answer it?

I don't know what strong-arming is, I assume it's something from the army because of the name

Because if the establishment doesn't use public money to force people to attend these talks, the establishment will suffer legal consequences and, as we saw in the case of Jonny Deep losing his job despite being innocent, social consequences

That's the theory, but in practice, it's just left-wing politics
And those same minorities and racial groups know it and are also getting tired and opposing it. Look at me, for example, I'm gay and I'm against LGBT

Well, let me clarify your doubt. It is, it's much more money than you imagine. In Spain, it even exceeded $200,000
And it's not just something in my country. This happens a lot in the United States, which I assume you're from. The California fires are the perfect example

"Basic tenet of human decency," dude, and then don't complain that people think it's a sectarian movement. Honestly, the moral superiority in that phrase has gone through the roof

It's a political act because, to begin with, they already have them. What they're asking for are privileges. The law already punishes any illegal act like murder, and as has been proven thousands of times, the vast majority have nothing to do with the victim's sexuality

"You're either for or against." Another sectarian comment, and one that's very intolerant of anyone who doesn't think like you.
Just because I'm against LGBT doesn't mean I want gays to cease to exist. Are you really incapable of getting over that absurd idea that "the only reason to be against it is homophobia"?

You can have whatever definition you want of what it means to be LGBT, but don't be a collectivist, bringing people in just to victimize your group and label anyone who attacks it as homophobic

"Though... I gotta say, if someone is against LGBT, that's the definition of being against equality." I'm sorry to tell you, but if you continue with that childish, intolerant, and victimist thinking, you'll only create more Trump voters who hate LGBT, because in fact, I can assure you that more than half already vote for him for that very reason

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It'll be stop being collectivist when their punishment stops being collectivist. Until then, get used to it.

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And what the hell does that mean? tell an argument, not an ambiguous slogan

Do you mean that gays (on this side of the planet) are punished for being gay? Something that has been proven untrue thousands of times, just like I mentioned with the drug trafficking example

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"You blocked me even after asking a question in a different comment!"
Yeah, like I said in an earlier reply, I was originally trying to talk in good faith, and then in other comments, you showed your thoughts, which made me realize it's pointless to engage with you and meaningful conversation isn't possible in this instance. Our views are inherently incompatible (Me being pro-community, you saying that will make more Trumps). So... I'unno, you seem really upset at me blocking you. Sorry that I posted a sincere comment before realizing it was better to try and free us both from this monotony? Sorry. ):

"Look at me, for example, I'm gay and I'm against LGBT."
That's genuinely so sad. You might read that as sarcastic, but I'm legitimately sincere with my sympathy on this. I'll probably see you again in 6 hours cause you apparently can't stay away from me. I'm honestly honored that you feel so strongly!

Anyway, until I see you again with a new account, stay cool and have a great summer!

Makroth

1 day, 1 hr ago

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