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i say its pretty entitled and being a jackass to refuse to read a dictionary
norm:
noun; something that is usual, typical, or standard.
less than 1% of the overall world population is trans, wanting the other to flat out change the way thinking and demanding a change of language seems entitled to me.
i know that transpeople exist, they can. i dont mind but that does no give them the right to demand of others how they be adressed. and skoonis teh perfect exampel for being entitled, saying i am a nazi for being german. behavior like that give transpeople the bad rep and hate.

AmeyBoop

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@ Mogura

You know very well the connotation of norms. Pacific Islanders also make up less than 1% of the global population. Yet it is perfectly normal to be a Pacific Islander.

Statistics have nothing to do with how people should be treated.

So, you have the right to call yourself whatever you want, but if I decide you should be called “Madame Bob the Bug,” you have no right to demand otherwise. If I am understanding your principle correctly.

CookieSkoon

5 months, 1 week ago

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@ Colaymorak

There's no arguing with Mogura he's drenched in Nazi ideology.

LoneWolf251

5 months, 1 week ago

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And you are just doing what those "nazi" do: labeling people just because they don't agree with you.
That's quite the problem I see on the communist side, particularly with false liberals: they want people to just "Shut up and accept OUR ideals or we cancel you!", and it gets... Very toxic. Like that one time a VG Site Head Editor claimed a group of translator to be alt right and sicced the ResetEra gang on them, to the point one of the translators fell into depression for a whole year, having lost the desire to translate games again (he got better after that, but was paranoid of putting ANYTHING online again), and anyone calling said Head Editor out on their bullshit was labelled "chud". Even people of the left, center, real liberals, got called "chud" by that horde.

It's quite the story, I tell you, because what happened is that the one alt left VG Site Head Editor didn't want to try to REASON, he jumped straight to assumptions, and all because of ONE WORD in one of the THREE GAMES the group translated, and said word mind you was not only correctly translated (it was a transphobic slur in the original Japanese script of the era), but was also rather tame compared to the things people says nowadays, to the point that the translation of the slur is also used by some people in the LGBTQ+ community to even identify themselves sometimes, resulting in a case similar to how some afro-american uses the N word left and right, but god forbid anyone not afro-american uses that word, because they feel obligated to lynch them where they stand.

Now that I think, isn't that double-standard? Anyways, I hope you get the idea: the problem happens when someone pushes their ideals to an extreme and tries to force it.on others without seeing them as people, and both the left AND right are guilty of it.

As for where I place? Fuck communists, fuck fascists, I just want people to be free and more conscious of other people as well.

CookieSkoon

5 months, 1 week ago

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I'm not a communist, nor am I labeling people just for disagreeing with me. Your argument starts out based on falsehoods.

I label people who actually behave badly, and then those who defend or normalize that behavior. Or completely ignore power dynamic and real world goings on for their own personal narrative.

Everything you just threw at me is tiresome bullshit I have heard a thousand times over, and back when I was a dumbass too I said the same dumbass things. Someday, if you ever actually wake up, you'll regret it.

SpoonFox

5 months, 1 week ago

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These people will call you out for condemning them. They're the same people who claim FA banned them for their 'political stance', and not the fact they went to peoples' pages telling them to kill themselves, or the fact that they frequently used slurs or hate speech, or the fact they were overall leaving horrible violent takes everywhere.

And they use the cliche "You're a commie!" bullshit, means they have no clue what that word means, only that it's associated with "Enemy" from the red scare. It's sad.

CookieSkoon

5 months, 1 week ago

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@ SpoonFox

Yeah there's usually a layer they aren't owning up to when they give the "I just want to grill for God's sake" defense. Which is an ironic thing to call it, a defense, because normally these people are the aggressors. Despite always acting like the victims (and then saying the "Commies" they are attacking are in fact the people always acting like victims).

It's probably because they people they attack actually are victims. Funny, that.

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Your fiendish buddy down there said no one asked for my opinion, while openly putting their opinion on a page unrelated to them, it's Frist's page, not his. *chuckle* He then bitches about me blocking him, after 'no one asked me for my opinion'. He called me 'Alt Left' not knowing where I am on the spectrum of politics. Literally blindly flailing trying to find people to attack. It's sad.

I still find it funny when these people bitch about being blocked, only to block you. Funny enough, his message about going 'BYE!' (the block) occurred BEFORE he called me out for blocking him.

I'm glad he knows that blocking exists, because it's a wonderful thing to exercise when you don't want to associate with someone, for any reason.

The irony in his anger towards me? He and I agree that politicians are all shit in the US. There's a few good ones who care about their people, but most of them are corrupt fuckwits.

CookieSkoon

5 months, 1 week ago

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@ SpoonFox

Dude is a clown show.

SpoonFox

5 months, 1 week ago

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No one is telling you to be trans, they're telling you to stop telling people who are trans to stop being trans. But you just want to argue your hatred, claiming people are 'pushing ideologies' on you because the people you surround yourself with tell you that, and you cannot think for yourself.

LoneWolf251

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CookieSkoon

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Oh-ho, there's the catch: I didn't call you communist, I just said it is a problem of the communist side, in other words the left. The right undeniably has its problems, but I want to break the illusion that the left is "flawless".

And I am very certain you didn't hear what I said "a thousand times over", that is just you being in denial of the proof that the left can wrong as hard as the right... Or worse, resort to ca

It is not I who needs to wake up, it's the fools dancing in the hands of politicians and "ideals" of both left and right that needs to wake up, people who think their own ideals have to be forced into others.

SpoonFox

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No one asked your opinion, bye!

DollyCloudy

5 months, 1 week ago

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I really can't blame you at all, wishing you the best of luck!

CookieSkoon

5 months, 1 week ago

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I did not expect to set this big a fire, but hey now hopefully people won't think me so ridiculous in the future when I threaten to leave a place based on principle. Look what's happening here as a result.

You know what I mean, Frist.

AmeyBoop

5 months, 1 week ago

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If nothing else it’s opened people’s eyes that services aren’t friends and platforms aren’t home.

ShockerBolt

5 months, 1 week ago

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I saw what was there and I'm going to say this:

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. You can call yourself whatever you want as long as you are not forcing people to go along with it. If you force someone to go along with something, then you are no better. You shouldn't have to force someone to call someone something else if you don't want to.

AmeyBoop

5 months, 1 week ago

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Do you apply this principle equally? Do you think it’s reasonable to call a Londoner a Lithuanian, or a cisgender man a woman? Because if you do not, this is just transphobia. If you do, it’s simply hostility to the concept of identity.

ShockerBolt

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So two things:

One: Are you saying folks should be forced to go along with it without a choice and accept it? Is that what you're saying?

Two: Again you can be whoever you want to be, no rule against that it's your life, as long as it's not be shoved in people's faces and down their throats.

AmeyBoop

5 months, 1 week ago

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I only asked a question that you refused to answer. Which is fair enough, you don’t have to answer.

Forced? No, I don’t think violence or coercion is appropriate. Do you consider it forceful to criticize someone?

ShockerBolt

5 months, 1 week ago

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I believe it is only equal when it's not shoved in everyone's face and being forced to go along with it.. Also cis is pretty stupid to add. Also to me, a man is a man and a woman is a woman. Just because you put on womens' clothing doesn't really make you a woman, just because you say you feel like a woman doesn't mean you are one. I mean isn't that common sense? No one should be forced to call someone something there not. Again common sense you know.

AmeyBoop

5 months, 1 week ago

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So you don't believe that trans people exist, then. Alright. Have fun with that.

Common sense says that a chemical compound of an explosive gas and an accelerant would be highly unstable. But H2O is water. Common sense says you shouldn't eat rat poison. But in small doses, quinine is used to treat malaria. Common sense says Blue Jays are blue. But they have no blue pigment.

Common sense is a survival tool, and a crude one at that. In the face of evidence contrary to it, it is discarded. It used to also be called "horse sense" for good reason. Do you ask a horse how to file your taxes?

ShockerBolt

5 months, 1 week ago

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Question: I never said those now did I? I never said those exacts words did I? Please don't put words into my mouth.

Well horses can't do that because again that is common sense that they can't do that. That's why humans use common sense in the word, we know what it wrong and right. That's how we get through the day.

AmeyBoop

5 months, 1 week ago

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I never said you said anything. Now you're just looking for reasons to be riled.

Be at peace. Bye.

Repstar

5 months, 1 week ago

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No one is forcing anyone to use preferred pronouns. However, refusing to use someone their preferred pronouns most certainly gives them the right to then just refuse to interact with you further, since you are not giving them the basic human decency of respecting their identity.

AdultFlamingAzalea

5 months, 1 week ago

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Damn. As a trans woman who needs a large, years established audience to try to gain commissions, I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place. Fuck.

Either way, consider yourself followed on Bluesky.

WonderingEyes13

5 months, 1 week ago

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I'll follow you but I can never figure out out to use bsky and just see art posts.

Bachri

5 months, 1 week ago

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It's nice to know where you stand. Thank you for the information, I just gained a lot of respect for this place.

DownThePipes

5 months, 1 week ago

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Until bluesky bans you cause it thinks a fictional character has the same rights as a real one just wanting to warn people this the site bans folks with 0 warning and 0 chance for appeal, we need to fight to make this place better cause everywhere else is dancing on getting rid of us all.

LoneWolf251

5 months, 1 week ago

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@ DownThePipes

Also the folks at Bluesky likes to label people, slap them into a moderation list, and before you know it you are either hunted down or shadowbanned for literally no reason.

DanielBunny

5 months, 1 week ago

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ehhh.. Community-wise I still love this place, but... yeah...

GreenReaper

let me see if I can pop that bubble, or at least bend it a bit...

Sex and gender are not the same thing. Biological sex is someone's physical/physiological makeup and if you want to say a trans female is a biological male, that's fair, (although we're learning that even sex isn't entirely black and white.) Gender is how a person presents themselves, not too different from a fursona. I'm guessing you'd have no issue calling me a "bunny", and doing so makes me happy. Makes me GIDDY in fact. Now if you were constantly correcting me when I present as a bunny and saying "No, you're a human" that doesn't do anyone any good. I'm not delusional, but if I'm in my bunny suit and you have to constantly say to me and everyone around you that "there's a human under that suit" or remind everyone all the time "that's not MystBunny, that's Tim" what good does that do? It would just annoy me and everyone who addresses me as I choose to present myself, and "but that's the truth" really misses the point.

Unlike sex, gender isn't fact. There's no truth to gender other than what we decide it is, and the English language isn't static. It's constantly evolving, there are no set rules. Words change meaning all the time. Using pronouns to refer to someone's gender rather than their sex is just as valid and unlike the opposite, makes people feel welcome and accepted. By insisting on referring to someone by their physical makeup 100% of the time, you're essentially saying to them "Your happiness doesn't matter to me, your feelings don't matter to me, your struggles don't matter to me, the only thing that matters is how I choose to label you." That's the message you're sending to the trans community with your insistence on clinging to an outdated aspect of our language.

So yeah. They've decided they don't want you around, because you've been making them uncomfortable. As others have pointed out, that's the consequences of dismissing people's wishes, struggles, and comfort. Sure, there will be times when no agreement can be reached, but you're not trying. You're not striving to improve yourself or to learn why gender is important to people.

If you're still wondering why it's a sore subject for most trans people, remember that trans people are persecuted, blamed for all of society's problems, targeted by lawmakers, even arrested in some cases, just for presenting themselves how they wish to present themselves. It can get especially bad here in Texas during certain political "seasons". By insisting that their struggles aren't real, you're actively being adversarial. Maybe it would be different if they weren't always being targeted as the scapegoat of the day, but that's only speculation, and that's not the world we live in now. It's important in this scary climate to know you have allies, and using their preferred pronouns is a very simple and harmless way to say "I accept you" and to do otherwise is... well it's just selfish.

edit: I shared your opinions on "truth" a long time ago, but I learned, and I grew.

DanielBunny

5 months, 1 week ago

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Sorry for the double comment but this one's directly to you. Would you feel more comfortable here if I told you this community just banded together to get one of our own out of ICE detention. Left, right, didn't matter, the community was there when it mattered most for at least one Venezuelan refugee, and they're free and with a new visa because of it.

LoneWolf251

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Bluesky is cancer and acts like a shadow government. What you will experience there, I assure you, is a false sense of safety, it's an utopia controlled by alt left who claims to be decentralized while, in fact, it just hands each country's leaders with the keys to moderate content and create censorship as they see fit, while letting people also label one another with lists without the other person agreeing to it.

SpoonFox

5 months, 1 week ago

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"Shadow Government" ... What the fuck are you on about?

When the 2024 US Election happened, TWITTER had hundreds of posts of people offering $10,000 for voters who proved they voted for trump. THAT SHIT is shadow government.

"Alt Left" Fuck off with your conspiracy shit. You're not worth talking to. Find some critical thinking, because you're going to end up hurting someone, or hurting yourself. I pity you :/

LoneWolf251

5 months, 1 week ago

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