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Not against ai...

I don't really understand why people always go to the extreme when it comes to opinions. No, I'm not against ai, I think it could actually help out for some things, hell, I've used it for backgrounds a couple of times, do I think ai stealing people's work is super shitty? Absolutely. But at the end of the day, is there now, and there's little to nothing we can do about it but to try to embrace it in a way is less harmful.

But see that wasn't my point in the last journal.

My issue with ai in *this* page specifically is that this is an art page, not a porn page.

sugarcoat it and look at it however way you wanna see it, ai is just not art. You can paint over it and make it prettier, and say "well I did something", but honestly that's like saying you cooked a burger just because you bought a burger at McDonald's and then added couple "fresh ingredients". Is just fast food porn. There's not as much growth nor effort, and sure, that's nice, is faster, more efficient, better, but that's the issue. Is the fact that now people will just go "why do I have to learn to paint or shade or whatever else, if I can just learn better prompts."... It won't "kill" art, cuz people will still actually enjoy doing art, but it is damaging the process and the effort that should come with art, it is damaging artist who make a living out of their passion, who work hard and who make actual effort into learning. How many young artist might drop out because "there's no point, I can just use an ai"?

And like I said, there's nothing we can actually do about it, and that's ok. like I said, I don't hate it's existence. And like I said, I do think it could still be useful if used correctly.
I just want my art page to show actual art, made by actual artists. That's it. When I look at the popular page, I don't just want to jack off quickly, I also wanna see what's the best other artist can deliver.

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DragonSoul2875

1 week, 3 days ago

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As someone who makes and posts AI, yeah I agree with your opinion. One pic from you is worth more than my gallery. But I can mass produce porn people like and desire. The quality just won't be as good as if someone drew it, and honestly I doubt it ever will be in our lifetimes. There needs to be a separation of sites badly. I don't even enjoy most other's AI works personally, especially the generic cookie cutter glossy looking ones.

Kellyn

1 week, 3 days ago

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I too support AI but cautiously. I think the artists who hate it have EXTREMELY valid concerns. It is changing the landscape of the art world and at a rapid pace and nobody is sure where we are gonna land. There also appears to be absolutely no stopping it. Even if laws were passed, the idea is forever ingrained in people’s minds and well, you can see how well laws stop stuff like piracy (not very). People will find a way regardless.

I do also think that as AI gets better, people will stop commissioning a lot of traditional digital artists. The best will survive, but why pay a ton of money for something you can make for free (or more realistically, something you can pay someone a lot less to generate)

I do still think there is some good in the technology, like allowing people who can’t afford artists to get their ideas out there. Half of art is the story telling and there are plenty of great ideas that otherwise would not see the light of day because the artist (writer) can’t afford to commission someone.

Overall right now AI art seems to be leaning more towards existential threat though so I do not blame anyone for hating it. I just wish I didn’t have to hear it so much xD

NaughtyBox

1 week, 3 days ago

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Honestly I like AI specifically as a "tool" to make things easier.
There's just objectively good uses for it that do nothing but benefit users like DLSS in videogames
And some uses wherein it may put some careers out of business but is... generally a step forward in progress like using ai for translation which is quicker and cheaper than getting actual translators.
AI for art though... just rubs me the wrong way.
Sure yes art can be used as a job and AI is meant to make jobs easier yes I understand that and while I don't want to be your stereotypical artist and go "Oh howcan you let a soulless machine express yourself for you it defeats the purpose"
Expressing yourself or not really... When you're not doing it professionally art is supposed to be a hobby
People don't just become artists because they wanna get big and famous. You'd (hoepfully) get into art because drawing n such is fun... and to cut out the entire process of art... i.e. eliminate all the fun from it like... why?
Why be an artist at that point yknow?
Sure I don't judge if you wanna cut out the unfun parts by using ai. Ever since the integration of AI into photoshop in my work I've been using and abusing its ability to just extend images and remove and fill in objects that I do not care for doing manually with the stamp tool n such and I get that.
Maybe you suck at backgrounds or rendering and wanted something that looked better and only enjoy making sketches... but like...
the whole thing?
REALLY???
What part of the process are these people "enjoying"?
Making prompts?
Like it sounds less like they want to make art as artists and more like they just want likes n favs n such...
Like I get why if that's the case... but I don't think that makes these guys... artists
No more than commissioning another guy to draw art for you doesn't make you an artist

lordofallqwop

1 week, 3 days ago

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If your opinions can't be taken to a logical extreme, then what fucking worth are they?

davidjohnson

1 week, 3 days ago

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Must say you're right in every aspect. The probpem is not AI but AI doing Art. Because some people will still deny saying it's not art theft but it is. The data that AI uses are from real artists, even without their consent; some AI devs "might" not feeding the AI themselves (but they are due to all the controversy DeviantArt, Adobe and others did in the past and are still doing it), deshonest people are feeding them with stolen art.

It must need to draw a line on the use of AI to do art because some dispecable people will (and are now using) use this kind of technology for nefearous things, like making real porn with real photos of real people; including...(you guys might already guess what I mean but I'll avoid saying because it's heavy stuff so I'll let it be as "you get what I'm implying").

But besides this art subject, AI indeed are coming essencial and revolutional, in aspect of technology, research and development: AI are making games less power consuming, AI is helping simulating things in the science field, AI also are helping calculates complex math that would takr years to solve, etc.

So yeah, to summarize: AI is good; when you use it for the good.

thunderforce

1 week, 3 days ago

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I read one mod saying inkbunny isnt an art site, it a furry community... so ai is welcome, weird the last time I checked the promoted the site as "a furry ART community".
I Have a similar opinion as yours.. ai imagenery can be hot, but I think it is stating to flood the site, (the recently added list particulary) and it is making harder to new artists to get any recognition, since ai it seems to get more faves and views that the work of many begginner artists that put many hours of effort into a single piece of art.
I think it just needs more moderation and better tagging.

joykill

1 week, 3 days ago

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Well fuck I pulled the trigger on this rant way to fast. I finally sat down and read your journal. I agree. Sorry for the word throw up. I'll keep it up to show my shame

When you can get ai to create art on a whim you start to no want/need to commission folks to draw your ideas. Those folks need commissions to live. No one want to be replaced. It's not fun watching a commissioner stop talking to you cause they rather get their ideas instantly and mutiple versions.
And let's not pretend it doesn't demoralize artist to see a flood of ai art in popular section. Ai artist are not using thier art style, they are using others. It's hard to have to see "low effort, high quality " art being showcase. There is no "get good" that going to help regular artist. Just my two thoughts.

GarryMouse

1 week, 3 days ago

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I saw an Ai enjoyer make a really good point yesterday. He was making the point that we normalize music piracy and game emulation, which is technically stealing. But because the majority is okay with it, we deem it morally okay. Where is Ai ,which is basically the same thing, but going on a much faster pace scale, is deemed evil? He statedothat people should go after those who made the Ai instead of those who use the technology or even the consumers that requests from the Ai generators.

When making a point, you should do it calmly without any hatred in the background. That's how you get people to listen to you.

DreamAndNightmare

5 days, 20 hrs ago

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@ GarryMouse

That's a bullshit apologist opinion. AI is nothing like music piracy or game emulation. Music piracy is miniscule against an overwhelming amount of people who buy music legally. Same with game emulation, which is about preserving games and making them accessible on modern systems. Piracy and stealing is "I want this, but I don't want to pay for it.". AI is "I want to make a program sift through everything ever created to make the original creators obsolete." Fuck off.

VinMcGrey

1 week, 2 days ago

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AI "artwork" is slop and no amount of the software getting more sophisticated will change my thoughts on it when it comes to that field

rp

1 week, 2 days ago

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The issue to me is that AI can't generate a picture it is happy with and this far to me looks like many "AI artists" can't either but instead spam endless stream of inconsistent slop. I do not mind generated backgrounds (procedural software or AI) as long the artist is open about it.
Nothing wrong using ones own photos/artwork to train AI and directing it to generate whatever (as long it's not a mountain of slop). When that's the norm I remove "AI generated" from my blocked keywords.

Dusty779

1 week, 2 days ago

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i like to think its a tool. if you struggle with backgrounds, it can help, and poses, and anatomy (most times not but the results it gives are hilarious for some reason.)

The issue i have with it is the people who just use it to gen smut, slap a "i made dis" sticker and post it expecting praise. thats not what its for imo. and the ones i LOATH are the people setting up patreon accounts loaded with the stuff! Cmon thats just scummy.

I personally have used it a few times, ive slapped in prompts and used tit to gen a scene for a story i am working on. so much easier to describe what im seeing in a picture than my minds eye and i can work the story around it. i have also used it to create a character design, then sent that to an artist as reference so they can make the finished guy. Its all in how it is used, but the people using it to make quick bucks are the worst.

BaphrielLucimor

6 days, 3 hrs ago

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I have so much trouble being able to describe what I'm imagining, and AI makes me able to put those ideas into something that I can show. It's especially useful when I have an idea that I can't find a single example of on E6 or Inkbunny. I obviously think that AI shouldn't be used to replace artists, but it's extremely useful for showing artists references of what I'm thinking of.

GarryMouse

5 days, 16 hrs ago

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So since you blocked me, I'mma go ahead and expose you in this journal real quick. So

DreamAndNightmare

is going to get mad at me for repeating SOMEONE ELSE'S opinion on Ai, reply with a emotionally driven response, tells me to "fuck off", goes to my Telegram to tell me to "go kill myself", then blocks me there and here, so I can't reply. Your account is 14 years old. You are a grown ass man acting like this over a debate where everybody in this journal is at least neutral about Ai. You don't see nobody else in here acting the way you are acting or getting THIS personal with somebody who didn't even voice their own opinion. But don't worry, the feeling is mutual. I've gone ahead and block you back so I don't have to hear any more of your hate dribble.

And to anyone else who wants to get personal over a debate, I never have and never will use Ai myself, but let me be blunt here. You do realize that you are arguing with people who have the power to copy your style and replace you with a push of a button. Now out of respect, they don't do it, but let's say they go blood lusted and just say fuck it like this guy did. That is the same thing as if you go to a drive-thru and you curse at the employees and expect them to not spit in your food. ┐('～`)┌

And you're on the fucking internet for fuck sake. Fuck off with that egoistic shit. There are people dedicated enough and willing to dox, swat and even set cars on fire to streamers, just because they won't go out with them or even worse, just to see them get hurt and you have the audacity to get this personal over fucking Ai!? Are you serious? Get a grip, imagine if somebody was that dedicated in destroying you or hating you, Ai is the LEAST of your concern.

GarryMouse

5 days, 16 hrs ago

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Also, I want to apologize to

RaccoonDouglas

for the fact that people can't have a civilized debate in your journal.

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