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HydroFTT

An Open Letter to IB About AI Generated Images


I saw someone mention that AI images are being let onto the popular page here on Inkbunny. Now, I have the AI tag blocked, so I was not aware of this fact but it truly is a shame and a disgrace to the site. The popular page is meant to promote artists who are often just getting a start, and trying to grow their audience on the site, or to show new users some art that they might like. So unless I misunderstand, it's meant to promote ARTISTS. Not the work-stealing algorithms that have been used to dupe investors out of billions and to produce slop for con men to pass off as art. In fact, AI generated images should not even be allowed on the site, period. Or any image site that is meant to house work from artists.

Let me explain exactly why AI images are not art, and why the people and machines producing it are NOT artists. I think we can all agree plugging in prompts is not the same as drawing a picture, not even close. So who is the artist? The AI? To follow up on this idea, let's quickly define what art even is. Art is actually fairly hard to strictly agree on a definition of, but most people can agree art is an expression of emotion, and usually the goal is to invoke said emotion (and sometimes even unexpected ones) in the viewer. Ad yes, this applies even for porn, in that you are trying to evoke lustful and sometimes even romantic feelings for/between the characters in both yourself and your audience. So can a computer feel emotion? Of course not. From the very premise, AI in its current state is completely incapable of producing art. Period. How about the human plugging in prompts? Can that be considered an expressive act? Perhaps it could be argued their emotion is what makes it art? However they are not the one producing the image. A computer algorithm is generating what it thinks matches up with the words being given to it. It is not even making something from scratch, but simply using references that are typically stolen from real artists and "Frankensteining" it together into a picture. An AI image is no more art than Frankenstein's Monster is a human. Just because you have some human parts stolen from their rightful owners does not make the result a human, just a monster.

Art sites hosting AI generated images goes against their role in the artist community. AI image software is the biggest threat to new artists, who will not be able to find an audience through the sea of mangled-handed images being pumped out by the dozens every minute. Non-artists will see AI as an easier way to get low-grade art than paying new artists. They will not be able to get a foothold that pre-AI artists had an easier time getting, and will be discouraged. The entire economy of commissions is eventually going to be ruined by this, possibly driving off even established artists as their stolen works are fed into machines that ruin their careers. I can speak only for myself on this, but every time I see AI images being praised and getting more attention than real art, it makes me sick and pushes me one step toward wanting to just leave said sites, even when I literally need to draw to live at the moment. I can't imagine how discouraging it must be to aspiring artists who feel their art is not up to par with literal slop because that's how people are hyping it up, and to see it be promoted over their art on sites like IB.

Long story short, art (and yes, porn) sites need to STOP supporting, hosting, and promoting AI generated slop. The end game of these generative programs is literally to replace the artists you claim to be a home for. People in general also need to stop supporting AI content and be more aware that is not art, and should not be called art. If you at all support real artists, tell sites you use not to host AI images.
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Added: 2 weeks, 4 days ago
 
puffyfluffy
2 weeks, 4 days ago
shit man, I was linked to an image, which was AI. I thought it was cute, but whatever. I looked at the profile and there were only 2 entries on it, not even the one that I was linked was shown. That's when I realized it was AI. So, I went and removed the "ai" and "ai generated" tags, and sure enough, it was filled. So, I wondered what the front page looked like, and I was pretty annoyed with just how much AI was on it. I clicked through a few and saw a few cute images, so grabbed them for download. But I immediately went back and blocked those two tags again. So freaking annoying (albeit, with me being a slight hypocritic for the half dozen images that I grabbed, but I couldn't help it, impregnation kink! xD)

But yeah, I fully agree, AI shouldn't be getting into the popular pages.

I saw some other journal saying that AI uploads should be done elsewhere, maybe like ai.inkbunny.net or something like that.

HydroFTT
2 weeks, 4 days ago
I think it still could become an issue even if it's a mirror of the site with all AI art, but it would certainly eliminate the issue of it competing directly with real art at least. But yes, the fact that it's getting good enough to actually get past some people's ability to judge if it's AI or not is only making the issue worse. Personally I can smell the AI stink on an image right away, only in a tiny thumbnail do they sometimes fool me until I open a full view, but not everyone can. Especially not older people, who get tricked by AI crap on Facebook all the time.
FriskyWoods
2 weeks, 4 days ago
I mean, you're not wrong. Personally, I get a little annoyed when I see a picture that's impossibly detailed, only to discover that it wasn't from a talented artist, but some random schmo plugging words into an app.

I'm not saying AI doesn't have its uses. I've seen people upscale long-forgotten television shows, particularly cartoons which haven't been well preserved and don't look so hot in their original 240p format on 4K television sets. Nobody is going to want to manually touch up thousands upon thousands of drawings from an obscure animated series that only a couple dozen people remember. Have AI handle that instead. Computers are designed to do mind-numbing, time-consuming busywork quickly and efficiently.

Using AI to pretend to be an artist, on the other hand... well, that's kind of insulting to those of us who spent years honing our craft. Okay, so you made a computer barf up an eerily polished (and just as eerily soulless) drawing with a handful of prompts. Now try drawing something yourself.
HydroFTT
2 weeks, 4 days ago
The sort of upscaling AI that's actually useful is not really what I mean, and was not really referred to as "AI" until recently when it became a tech bro buzzword. What I'm specifically talking about is generative AI, which has only one use and that's to fuck over artists.
Riddy
2 weeks, 4 days ago
I think, as one person I saw pointed out, is it's worth making the distinction between generative AI and other things like machine learning.
I've seen cool applications of that in areas like seismic tomography.
HydroFTT
2 weeks, 4 days ago
Well the real issue is that AI is just the new buzzword. Neither technology is actually "AI" at all, it's machine learning algorithms in vastly different applications. But saying AI gets millions of investor dollars, so they throw it around for what amounts to complex image and language generative models.
Funniperson1
2 weeks, 4 days ago
Giving my own view on this from someone who tried using AI before I even have to agree with this I notice that AI "art" is just a series of inputs mashed into one thing to make the illusion of digital art from a hindsight perspective AI "art" doesn't have the specifications to quantify as art it was made from nothing sure but the problem is art is supposed to be passionate not a soulless husk of what is supposed to be art AI artists need to just pick up a pencil or use something like Ibis I even use Ibis not for my drawings (personally I don't even have the skill to make art) but I'm still able to do a task which is coloring existing arts to add something special to something other people already love I think in a personal viewpoint the art in AI "art" should be taken out and be renamed to something like "AI prompts" and again from a hindsight perspective it would've been really crappy for me to post any AI prompts online which I never did I found something I was not only passionate in but other people liked I think I would've gotten a lot of crap from the Inkbunny community if I was posting AI prompts and on another note no, I don't do it anymore I don't use AI to make "art" for me I think it says a LOT that someone who used AI "art" to an extent realize that AI "art" shouldn't exist
HydroFTT
2 weeks, 4 days ago
I mean, I played around with it too, there's no shame in that. It really falls to the sites to moderate properly and not allow it to compete with actual art or be passed off as such.
GassyBigEars69
2 weeks, 4 days ago
Yea, it's been gettiing onto the popular pages ever since this site allowed it. If they wanna allow AI, they need to have a completely separate section for it.

HydroFTT
2 weeks, 4 days ago
I don't think there's any reason to even give that much, it should just be banned on art sites period. If these AI generating bozos want to have some half-baked image site of their own, let them do it themselves.
GassyBigEars69
2 weeks, 4 days ago
Yea, you know that things are really bad when ARTSTATION of all places are allowing it. They claim it's to unlock the artist's true potential. But we all (should) know that's bullshit. Here's the real reason for all this: Money. People can buy AI slop from these sites, and they take a cut of that sale. It really shows where their true priorities lie, doesn't it? Artstation, Deviantart, Etsy, Fiverr, RedBubble, and any other platform that sells art.

Now, Inkbunny is a weird case, since you can't really sell art here. Here is why I proposed a completely separate section for Ai images. Right now, Inkbunny is facing a pretty nasty catch 22 situation. If they disallow AI images, real artists can get falsely reported for uploading AI images, possibly getting them banned in the process. On the other side, they allow AI art, at the expense of real artists, especially those images are clogging up the popular page, and the real artists get upset, but there will be no artists getting falsely reported and banned from the site. It was really a no-win situation, so they have to go with what's the lesser of the two evils.


HydroFTT
2 weeks, 3 days ago
I think it's fairly easy to detect AI images (at the moment). People would surely try to get around it by not tagging properly, but that's what report features are for. Any real artist can show a little of their process, sketches, work files... there's plenty of ways to prove a picture is NOT an AI image to anyone who has even a minor understanding of the process. To put it simply, AI cannot "show its work" because it does not actually draw anything, just replicate things it has "seen".
Beebz
2 weeks, 2 days ago
This. Like if people want to lie they can but to me personally its kinda fucking obvious when its 13 pictures with the same vacant expression and woobly melty hands and text. Like you dont have to "investigate" art but just point blank we need to stop tolerating it. Its ridiculous that we're wasting server space on this crap. Go to an imageboard if its just mindless fap fuel, but its just insulting to have us have to share platforms with this.

I was like yeah i guess before but i dont care anymore. People lying can happen but people would accusse people of posting untagged ai regardless if they have a similar style, how would that change or go down by just stopping the open door policy

HydroFTT
2 weeks, 2 days ago
Yeah I was also fairly neutral to it before it started absolutely flooding every art site and image board, every search on Google, stealing data scraped from every site on the internet, tricking old people with (usually racially/religiously motivated) fake news stories, tying to replace human work in movies and other media, and so on. My tolerance for the "new world" these tech bros are wishing upon us has waned quite a bit since then. My personal opinion is it should be illegal, but the obvious minimum is that art sites should reject it outright. Maybe once it becomes more of a legal issue they'll change their minds.
GassyBigEars69
2 weeks, 4 days ago
And now I'll proceed to destroy my own argument and say Furaffinity disallows AI images, so I will also speculate that the mods here don't want to go through the hassle of moderating it. That could also be a possibility.
VarraTheVap
2 weeks, 3 days ago
That's definitely not it. With the rule that only open spurce AI gens are allowed, IB has given themselves way greater moderation burden than with a blanket ban.

I have extra respect to the staff for that as they actively shape the "new world" we have that way instead if just closing their eyes and banning like too many apparent luddites would like.
HydroFTT
2 weeks, 3 days ago
" VarraTheVap wrote:
With the rule that only open spurce AI gens are allowed, IB has given themselves way greater moderation burden than with a blanket ban.


Another argument to just ban it outright, yet nothing to justify it existing here. Fearing technological advances is not the same as seeing a very real threat to artists which, at the same time, is using their art without any consent scraped from the internet to train it. It's true that the genie can't be put back in the bottle, but that does NOT mean it should just be allowed to continue to flood every image board with regurgitated garbage.
Beebz
2 weeks, 4 days ago
yeah i really think they should be excluded from popular. its all slop anyway
VarraTheVap
2 weeks, 3 days ago
Really, after this many years, still the same arguments?
Even if IB were to ban it, AI art is not gonna go away. It is part of our world now. Many viewers do enjoy it.
The art forms can coexist and especially here, the borders are often blurred by heavily edited AI art.
HydroFTT
2 weeks, 3 days ago
Yes, the same arguments because they are correct, that's why you can't refute any of them. If people want to enjoy AI slop they're free to, the issue I have is with posting it in competition with actual art. If it's so good, why can't it stand alone on its own site that isn't tricking people into thinking it was drawn?
lucashoal
2 weeks, 3 days ago
"It is part of our world now"
because tech bros are desperate for a return on their investment, congrats on doing their work for them for no benefit.
PinatasNPampers
2 weeks, 3 days ago
I will NEVER succumb to generating any AI art myself.

I swear by my fat diapered balloon butt that all my art is hand-drawn and completely organic by nature.
HydroFTT
2 weeks, 3 days ago
I don't even care if people want to use it or even enjoy it, just don't post it as if it belongs on art sites.
PinatasNPampers
2 weeks, 2 days ago
I do agree that if AI art is just gonna be something to deal with from now on, no matter what, it should really get its own dedicated posting sites then.
tails230
2 weeks, 3 days ago
All of a sudden, FA doesn't sound that bad...
HydroFTT
2 weeks, 2 days ago
One good decision doesn't make up for a lot of bad ones, unfortunately.
PinatasNPampers
2 weeks, 2 days ago
True, but it’s still better than no good changes ever again…
HydroFTT
2 weeks, 2 days ago
It's still overall a good thing, however FA has so many other issues (especially toward Babyfur/ABDL art in particular) that they've long ago lost my trust. I can't bring myself to post art there anymore.
PinatasNPampers
2 weeks, 1 day ago
Yeah, same here…
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