Failing battle against AI by AniTwenty < Journal | Inkbunny, the Furry Art Community

6 days, 2 hrs ago

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Its a hard situation. I consider myself extraordinarily good at AI art (because I also edit images to make what I want happen/fix errors). But your art has an appeal that I could never make. I don't think AI will ever replace talented people like you Ani!

SWEETMISSION

5 days, 20 hrs ago

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@ DragonSoul2875

Eat shit, you're not an artist.

DragonSoul2875

5 days, 16 hrs ago

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@ SWEETMISSION

Rude, but I also never said I was.

Blazeymix

4 days, 17 hrs ago

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@ DragonSoul2875

I think it's nice to have the perspective and opinion of someone who practices with AI art with enough experience to say, "Hey, I can make AI art, but I still can't do what you do and what you do is superior." Your point is to support this artist, and the idea that AI can't live up to human art. I don't think you deserved the reaction you were given.

I don't think your ai work is part of any problem, if anything AI art has helped hand-crafted work stand out even more. Folks took it for granted for years, and now people appreciate how truly gorgeous human art is, for how unique each image is and the sprinkles of personality each artist places in their work. It's the soul vs the soulless.

So in that way, I see AI art as a means to appreciate humanity's passion and remind us of the human soul and how beautiful our work is. I don't see AI as any kind of competition. Frankly, there's no value in something that anyone can get for nothing, that's why sand or leaves or rain costs nothing in most cases. And why artists continue to get work doing what they do, like Missy or Sicmop/fuf, or even a struggler like me. :P

DragonSoul2875

4 days, 10 hrs ago

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@ Blazeymix

For sure, while I do my best to switch up my style constantly in order to make things feel different. Otherwise all my images would have the same shading/style. No differences at all. While every pic a human makes feels different. Ai will never be a replacement to human and Ai can’t even improve without human art.

Torirune

6 days, 2 hrs ago

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quality? I wouldn't say AI art has very much in the way of quality.

daryllawton

6 days, 2 hrs ago

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@ Torirune

This! AI art is fine if 6 fingers and 4 toes is okay to you

Balmung

6 days, 1 hr ago

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@ daryllawton

Those things are extremely easy to fix at this point, but hard to do in a rule-compliant way at IB

felover

6 days, 1 hr ago

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A Machine will remain a machine. Art created by human cannot be replaced by AI, because you immediately see the falsehood. Human art is much more alive and flexible. You are a great artist! Keep doing what makes you happy!

Masmilar

5 days, 21 hrs ago

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You 100% do beat the quality of Ai art though. Ai art is so lifeless. As for speed? I’d rather spend 15 hours on something I drew up than spend 10 second in words for a computer to do the rest for me. Take your time and enjoy your art,

AniTwenty

3 days, 19 hrs ago

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@ Masmilar

sometimes i dont have the time. and i get mad at myself for taking too much time per piece because i could be drawing the next one

Masmilar

2 days, 5 hrs ago

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@ AniTwenty

I suppose to compromise, you could always change your style up a bit, sacrifice quality (it’d still look good) for more art pieces. Idk though, it’s hard for me to say anything because I do have time for art, my art just takes awhile because I’m still learning.

Laini

5 days, 21 hrs ago

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Even if you ignore how these AI models are trained on stolen data I'd still rather see something someone actually spent time and effort into making because it was something they wanted to do than something someone had a computer spit out based on algorithmic logic.

punishedmob

5 days, 19 hrs ago

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You started around the same time as I did, but I didn't start hand drawing more until a couple of years ago. Degenerative AI "art" fundamentally cannot provide ideas or human innovation. It can only provide an aggregated facsimile that simultaneously undoes itself while destroying the human soul through even more overstimulation and disposable dopamine highs. To hell with degenerative AI. The process of creation is the most powerful and spiritual achievement any man can ever hope to channel.

CyanideCat

5 days, 17 hrs ago

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One piece of art from you has more value to me than a gallery of ai art.

AniTwenty

3 days, 19 hrs ago

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@ CyanideCat

thanks for your continued support!

bahamutdragons

5 days, 16 hrs ago

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I think that's a great attitude to have. Ultimately, AI art will be fine for some people, and other people won't have any interest in it. There are things that AI does great, and some things it doesn't quite match up to. I continue to see it as a tool, some people will use it for 100% of their work and call it a day, some people will touch up pieces, some people will refuse to use it altogether. But also, I think it's like VFX in movies, it gets better over time, but also people have a fundamental misunderstanding of it's applications and will praise movies with VFX as having no VFX.

As you say, make the art that resonates with you, especially if it's not intended to cover your bills. Use AI if it works for you, and don't if you prefer to do it by hand. Life is too short to get caught up in all this mess.

Mistzz

5 days, 11 hrs ago

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Not gonna lie, quality is suggestive. Yeah I know IA can do shading stuff pretty quickly but tbh the style is so saturated at this point, that I'm genuinely tired of it. I would much rather a flat color well done than 10 shading IA arts looking the same (in the style).

Love your tails drawings and I think no AI could replicate the hotness of him. Not yet at least.

AniTwenty

3 days, 19 hrs ago

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@ Mistzz

im speaking about this now because i've seen enough pieces to know that AI can consistently create different styles that i can no longer distinguish between human and AI art.

R34

4 days, 21 hrs ago

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Edited 4 days, 21 hrs ago by Owner

I was thinking about a similar thing the other day. If AI art is doable for everyone in a matter of seconds, then what will keep real art alive? And the answer imo is: it's hand-made.
As with every other product or art type of thing in the last 150 or something years, the hand-made-ness of a thing will be the factor that keeps the demand for the real thing alive.
There are endless factory-made real life things and works out there, but almost always the hand-made stuff can be sold at a higher price and is held in higher esteem. It will be the same with AI/non-AI stuff, just give it some time. People will keep wanting the magic of the real thing. ESPECIALLY when the creation through AI becomes so ridiculously easy for any random person. There is prestige in the hand-made, none in the fully-AI-made.

GinkeiA

4 days, 19 hrs ago

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@ R34

Then wouldn't it kinda gatekeep art in general?

Real painting are expensive for the reason that not everyone could do it and not everyone can have easy access to some art form.

R34

3 days, 23 hrs ago

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@ GinkeiA

Both ways will simply coexist. Real art will still make money and AI stuff can still be easily made by anyone. It's just that the creators of the real, hand-made work will be having the prestige and reputation of an artist as such and are imo likely to make more money than a random guy on a computer entering prompts. Of course there will be exceptions and we will see rich and famous all-AI artists as well.
But in general real artists will always have a more dedicated fanbase. There is personal, human touch to it all. AI works tend to be too cookie-cutter and all over the place to have a personal impact. Especially those kind of accounts that just upload hundreds and hundreds of basically the same image in slightly different variation. It's very 'plastic' and boring imo.

Gat

4 days, 16 hrs ago

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I have to wonder if AI Art can be loosely looked at like video game piracy in the sense that most people who consume/create it were not going to commission any art otherwise, or maybe it's like the mass-produced Walmart brand vs a handcrafted Artisan brand, there will always be a market for both. In my case due to everything getting more expensive, my country dollar getting weaker, and the rise of Patreon/subscription services that resulted in artists with higher commission costs, I've watched art go from something I buy monthly to pretty much never over the last 15 or so years, but when Im prompting AI art for references or silly meme pics, I can feel the lack of 'soul' as it were, there is a bit more of an intrinsic value when you know art had a human hand behind it.

The unfortunate truth (in my opinion) is AI in many aspects is a tool, and many professions will find themselves faced with the choice to embrace and utilize it, or slowly get left behind as we enter this new era, I mean look at suno AI and novel AI, both have made exponential jumps just this month. People who continue to lambast it, bringing up how AI can't draw fingers or what have you are mostly... coping at this point, go ask Bing AI for example, to draw you an anime catboy, and you'll see art with messed up hands is the odd one out now. One will notice bad AI but never stop to think of all the AI they may be blissfully unaware of.

All this to say is I think it could be better for one's mental to try and utilize these new advancements rather than let yourself be taken over by it, as the former at least has better odds of a positive outcome than the later. Im excited to see where all this will go, but maybe Im just talking out of my ass.

supershiner

4 days, 10 hrs ago

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@ Gat

"	Gat wrote:
	I have to wonder if AI Art can be loosely looked at like video game piracy in the sense that most people who consume/create it were not going to commission any art otherwise

maybe this?

AniTwenty

3 days, 19 hrs ago

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@ supershiner

hmmm true.

Laini

3 days, 18 hrs ago

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@ Gat

"	I have to wonder if AI Art can be loosely looked at like video game piracy in the sense that most people who consume/create it were not going to commission any art otherwise

This reminds me of a thought I've had before about AI stuff, say you do want to commission someone and the price isn't an issue but that artist doesn't want to draw it?
I know a few artists who don't want to draw m/m stuff for example, which you know, that's totally fine, they have no interest in it. Then you'll have people who say wouldn't draw cub or certain themes like rape.

Someone would be more than willing to pay someone to make something for them but they can't get that done.
Is it ethical to then have an AI imitate that artist to create something instead? In this case they literally aren't losing a sale.
Or should that person's wishes be respected and not try to create something they themselves would be opposed to?

Sonamyfan04

1 day, 23 hrs ago

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Can't beat the speed of AI "art", 100% true. Can't beat the "quality" of it, 100% false. AI "art" is not quality in the slightest.

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